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Psorion
The Nine Gates
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Posted - 2008.02.01 22:17:00 -
[91]
So much bitterness. Hey it was fun, we all got to PewPew - Although I believe the bragging on the forums about 'Being the first to Gain Sov IV' (which was probably not accurate) seemed to **** a lot of proud people off, and caused the 'eye' to focus on RISE and RIT. Pretty nice ratting there but its all ok. They say you cant learn to win until you learn to lose.
~To all my allies - May your targets always have low traversal and may you lock first
~To my enemies - Well. Nothing to say but Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammo (Faction please)
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Shadoo
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.02.01 22:39:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Kylegar Hopefully it gave the PL and Goon spies something to read.
To be quite honest, without the constant flow of posts leaked from Director boards + elsewhere -- most of us in PL at least (and GF BO probably too, thou they're more used to this) would have NOT had the stamina to persist in attacking the RHG constellation after engagements became infrequent.
I know it sucked for RISE to be stuck in stations/POSes, but boy did it suck for us too going 24h sometimes without any fights at all.
RE: Talon -- I recall RISE being a very respectable enemy in local. Local was 95% friendly banter apart from 3 indivituals I recall who kept on with an attitute in local as well as internal TS/boards. We certainly had no bad feelings towards any of you and enjoy running into familiar faces now in Delve .
When it was boring late at night, I actually used to come idle on RISE TS op channel listening to folks talk about old times when you first moved to RHG constellation. I knew some of you from before (Bigeasy <3) so was nice to hear about mining and Typhoons while ratting or doing complexes in RHG (all of the Angel towers + mods today anchored in Delve came from RHG).
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Kylegar
Caldari Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive
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Posted - 2008.02.01 23:01:00 -
[93]
I still remember the op that you guys ran in the lobby of our TS...While annoying, that was comedy gold.
I have alot of respect for PL, the morale war you guys raged did more damage to RISE than anything the RSF could have done. By the time Goons were ready to take control of core, RISE was done, and had no fight left.
Oh, and one more thing. Teach your spies not to use your guyses terminology when talking about the area. I found out more spies by them saying "The Triangle" in the fleets and alliance mails/chat than anything else. --
Originally by: CCP Ginger No sex changes.
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umizawa
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Posted - 2008.02.01 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Kylegar I still remember the op that you guys ran in the lobby of our TS...While annoying, that was comedy gold.
I have alot of respect for PL, the morale war you guys raged did more damage to RISE than anything the RSF could have done. By the time Goons were ready to take control of core, RISE was done, and had no fight left.
Oh, and one more thing. Teach your spies not to use your guyses terminology when talking about the area. I found out more spies by them saying "The Triangle" in the fleets and alliance mails/chat than anything else.
RISE terminology was pretty terrible.
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Kylegar
Caldari Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive
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Posted - 2008.02.01 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: umizawa
Originally by: Kylegar I still remember the op that you guys ran in the lobby of our TS...While annoying, that was comedy gold.
I have alot of respect for PL, the morale war you guys raged did more damage to RISE than anything the RSF could have done. By the time Goons were ready to take control of core, RISE was done, and had no fight left.
Oh, and one more thing. Teach your spies not to use your guyses terminology when talking about the area. I found out more spies by them saying "The Triangle" in the fleets and alliance mails/chat than anything else.
Yea, but atleast it made sense. Core was our home systems, not "The Triangle". We dotted for ops, rather than put an x (didnt understand that, but w/e). etc.
whatever floats your boat I guess. One could say Goon terminology is terrible too.
RISE terminology was pretty terrible.
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Originally by: CCP Ginger No sex changes.
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dan 1
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.01 23:22:00 -
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I'm the recon in da op.
The best was seeing 15 PL\goon recons+hacs chasing down and picking off 35 RISE BS\command\hacs. Instead of stopping and defending themselves, RISE would just run and leave behind whoever got warp scrambled. gg RISE. You truly were victims.
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WhatIsItGoodFor
Absolutely Nothin
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Posted - 2008.02.01 23:39:00 -
[97]
Edited by: WhatIsItGoodFor on 01/02/2008 23:41:11 .
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Gneeznow
Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.02.01 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: Kylegar I still remember the op that you guys ran in the lobby of our TS...While annoying, that was comedy gold.
I missed that OP coz lucious ventrue had IP banned me off rise ts, probably because i kept connecting as BNC - Coranor and giving speeches in the lobby >:-|
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Berrik Radhok
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.02 00:52:00 -
[99]
I'm still banned from the FinFleet TS for spamming scatman.mp3 in the lobby :<
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Mai Phan
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.02.02 00:58:00 -
[100]
Being one of the CEO's who's corp was with rise from Syndicate till they left Feythabolis the real reason is simple.
Any "Group" leadership will always fail in eve.
The reason? Every decision had to be debated.
Do we raise fees/taxes so we can afford more towers? 5 CEO's say yes, 6 CEO's say no.
Do we use alliance funds to get cap ships in the hands of our Cap ship pilots? 6 CEO's say yes, 7 Say No.
That's the way it went for the whole time RISE was in the south.
Every decision was a mockery of democracy. Every time isk was needed for defence, the carebears/producers in the alliance said no. Every time isk was needed to up grade station services, the pvpers said no. Every time isk was needed for anything, and there was always too many saying no.
Why did RISE fall.
Too many chiefs, not enough followers. |
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Bunny Catch3r
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.02.02 01:48:00 -
[101]
For its historical value this one's a keeper. It's unfortunate that so many colossal events are a foot but there are so few historians. Eve's Alexander may be among us even now.
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Tobruk
Black Omega Security
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Posted - 2008.02.02 04:04:00 -
[102]
I remember points during the tournament when PL activity was down to maybe one or two of us. RISE morale was so low that i could go afk on a station with no other PL in system and keep RISE members docked and Inactive.
Another feature that was part of our cloakingnano gangs was heavy recon presence, especially Falcons and rooks. this enabled us to jam most of the gunships in their gangs and for our fcs to pick targets with very little pressure. Throughout that time there was very little RISE did to counter our EWAR capacity. at best they could stalemate with us, grouped in a large ball and completely jammed while we waited for a straggler to pick off.
On the whole I would say their leaders just failed to conceptualize the problem for the common member. I can imagine them logging on and saying lets go and getting enough people to drive us away so to rise leadership it was probably hard to imagine what it was like for the average rise member trying to sneak out alone and inevitably getting ganked. Their humiliation often compounded their frustration. On one occasion a gang of 30 or so Rise placed a large bubble on a gate and then with about 10 pl members we came and wrecked them; we then used their bubble to kill many rise members. ----------------------------------------------
Sig removed. Elmo Pug removed my sig because he hates me
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Aleric Vikyz
Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive
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Posted - 2008.02.02 04:44:00 -
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Edited by: Aleric Vikyz on 02/02/2008 04:44:24 One thing that had a major effect on the outcome was that by the time PL rolled in most of RISE's PvPers were just, simply, burnt out. I was and everyone I flew with was, by around August. The KW debacle wore us out, our leadership sucked and that was our wake-up call. So by the time PL rolled in, I just didn't care about RISE anymore, and basically only logged in to change skills.
When myself and others had to rescue a carrier RATTING with PL in system that was the final straw, I figured the masses of idiots could go screw themselves I wasn't going to waste my time with them anymore.
On a side note, Sturm was the only people left in KW because it was a waste of time and resources, nobody was getting any kills there, and nothing was getting accomplished. I and others went on roaming ops nightly, mostly up to C3, and we got quite a few kills (Nev, his alts, and I were regularly on the top of the killboard).
RISE was a lot of fun, but eventually all the bullcrap just pilled up until I stopped caring. I'm sure a lot of others feel similarly.
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arghy steelwill
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.02 05:06:00 -
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Originally by: The Mittani
Originally by: Talon Scorpio
6 Billion a month was frequently waived.
i was in rise's council forums the whole time, this didn't happen
ps update your myspace please!
Hahahah oh man this is pretty funny- why cant you guys just admit you paided 6b in rent to distract RSF while BoB ran with its tail between its legs?
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Darc Kaahar
Boob Heads Haud Terminus
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Posted - 2008.02.02 05:07:00 -
[105]
LETS RUN THIS **** INTO THE GROUND.
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Darc Kaahar
Boob Heads Haud Terminus
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Posted - 2008.02.02 05:09:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Gneeznow
Originally by: Kylegar I still remember the op that you guys ran in the lobby of our TS...While annoying, that was comedy gold.
I missed that OP coz lucious ventrue had IP banned me off rise ts, probably because i kept connecting as BNC - Coranor and giving speeches in the lobby >:-|
thats funny hahahahaha
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.02 05:26:00 -
[107]
RISE made a lot of mistakes but one of the biggest had to be the "RISE Celebrates Sov 4" thread on CAOD.
Originally by: Sergeant Spot
Did BoB "plan" to lose all its space? ...if it does, its still just a detail within a successful plan |
Kylegar
Caldari Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive
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Posted - 2008.02.02 05:40:00 -
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Originally by: Snowden Vel RISE made a lot of mistakes but one of the biggest had to be the "RISE Celebrates Sov 4" thread on CAOD.
I honestly have never thought I would agree with a goon so totally. You sir, are right. Quoted for the purest Truth. --
Originally by: CCP Ginger No sex changes.
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Bigeasy
Caldari Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive
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Posted - 2008.02.02 06:20:00 -
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Originally by: Kylegar
Originally by: Snowden Vel RISE made a lot of mistakes but one of the biggest had to be the "RISE Celebrates Sov 4" thread on CAOD.
I honestly have never thought I would agree with a goon so totally. You sir, are right. Quoted for the purest Truth.
Funny how hindsight is always 20/20
Let them hate, so long as they fear-Caligula |
Rumorsky
Gallente Leet Fleet Shadows Of Supremacy
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Posted - 2008.02.02 10:10:00 -
[110]
<3 RISE I miss it.. Great read for sure.
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Is forporn
THE INTERNET.
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Posted - 2008.02.02 12:45:00 -
[111]
You expect me to read that?
* smacks rise * K/D ratio
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Setana Manoro
Gallente Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.02 13:06:00 -
[112]
Edited by: Setana Manoro on 02/02/2008 13:06:54
Originally by: TWD This opening post of the thread posted by a coalition member looks trustworthy and not like an attempt to discredit BoB at all!
How can you discredit BoB. To discredit, you need to be able to destroy their reputation, on which they rely. Really ? They got a meatshield, and cannon fodder for ops, and for this they didn't even have to pay a dime; they actually took 6b / month. Win-win situation either way you look at it. You guys had t20, you had the exploits used during ASCN war, you had idiotic directors diplomats that made statements such as "off-c we have them on MSN, we made the game with them" in the light of a very low scandal, that simply put gas on the fire.
Really, how can you discredit bob now ? And why do you whine about it TWD ? For the last month or so i've seen nothing but posts from BoB that seem to indicate the "we're gonna lose and we don't care / at least it's gonna be lots of pew-pew and epic", really what is a rep good for now ?
See how stupid you look ?
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Karl Halyard
Tea And Sympathy Ltd. Liability
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Posted - 2008.02.03 00:42:00 -
[113]
I enjoyed my time in RISE, but their security was really poor. I was still moderator of the military forum for weeks after I left.
I have to admit it was fun altering Hoap's posts.
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Sultry Black
Minmatar Black Hearts
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Posted - 2008.02.03 00:55:00 -
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Originally by: Rumorsky <3 RISE I miss it.. Great read for sure.
Yes. You missed RISE so much that a few days after you left you helped kill a RISE dread as it came out of production and then attempted to return to the alliance a few weeks later. Your answer was having your shuttle blown out from under you as you tried to flee RIT. Concise and to the point.
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Rhamnousia
Caldari Pelennor Swarm
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Posted - 2008.02.03 03:47:00 -
[115]
As a former RISE member, dont have much to say, maybe i'll do it with a quote.
"Here then let me slow it down for you so you can understand if I say it slower: Let it go dawg, it's over."
Hollaz go out to all ex-RISE. We had a good run. PL, move the frak on, i think even ppl in WoW know what you "locked down RIT" with a 25 man gang. ---------------------- What happens in Pelennor stays in Pelennor.
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Flax Volcanus
Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive
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Posted - 2008.02.03 05:29:00 -
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The absolute WORST part of being finance minister last summer was having to cut the reimbursements or not shell out ISK for supplies because a couple CEOs got sick of paying into the common wallet. I think my blood pressure used to rise more during forum posting than it did at work, especially when the rank-and-file became upset over the fallout from the alliance money issues, but did not pressure their own CEOs into doing something about the situation. The CEOs were the "Council," and some of them screwed us mightily.
There was a huge lack of leadership without a central figure to make decisions. What we had was a confederation of individual corps, some of whose CEOs decided to support the alliance when it suited them, and do their own thing when it didn't. I remember during the last weeks in Feyth, jumping out to rep station services or trying to bait a cloaker while a dozen other guys were AFK in station. Six of us outside, twice as many inside, ****ing away. And no one with the authority to say "do this or GTFO." Same thing with ops and logistics, and the interminable hour-long rallies at POSes before watching people trickle out in disgust over the inaction.
WRT smack, most of us followed the policy against talking in local. We did have a few PROFOUND a$$holes who always thought they could play by their own rules -- one of whom I will shoot any time I get the chance, for as long as I play this game -- but the smack generally came from the Goonies. The rest of the RSF bunch tended to be pretty decent. And, as much as I hated the cloaking PL dudes, I'd love to go shoot up some stuff with you.
Kyle is right: The op in the lobby was funny as hell -- not least because it showed how sorry our opsec was. Dunno who Mitani's alt was, but half the spies I had pegged were in the same corp that recruited guys straight out of KOS. And, yeah, our corp had one, too.
Even without the internal problems, RISE could never have stood against the wave that eventually drowned us; there were just too many. But, it is only a game, and sometimes being the underdog is more fun than being the big dog.
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Sakura Nihil
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.02.03 09:24:00 -
[117]
Lack of leadership and communication, from the way their story goes.
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Dalen III
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.02.03 09:31:00 -
[118]
Alot of good guys had a fake Bob hope going on. If you look back you know better. Salute Rise salute RSF, its all but a EvE lesson. Don't blame me, blame the main I'm supporting. |
coolhand
Caldari Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.02.03 11:36:00 -
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I think you did one of your worst mistake this night:
http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/ArtCor/ritualite.avi (click right and save as)
Gate camping with a MOROS against a small TCF HAS / Pandemic legion cloaked ships is dansgerous. Your FC said we did the unthinkable. I think your mistake was to underestimate us. The second one was to rewarp your 7 carriers to save your Moros tackled.
Many of Rise pilots lost 4 ships in this fight and some of them, their NPC' ship. After a night like thath, i can undesrtand why it was difficult to fight more.
One think i learned after this battle (my first like a fleet captain) is: Confidence. If you have this from your pilots, tou can ask them everything and they'll obey. But if you chain big mistakes like your FC, in only one single fight, outch..... When confidence is lost, everything's will go down until the disaster.
Underestimate an alliance is dangerous when you don't know really its capabilitys. Remember taht for the next time. Keep the confidence. Never underestimate a guy or an alliance.
CH.
Big up to my friend, Farscape and excuse my loosy english, i am french so i cant roxx in Bouh, powned
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Talon Scorpio
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.08 20:42:00 -
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Hi Flax, its nice to see you about. Just wanted to briefly comment on the whole "bob pet and 6 billion isk a month rent" diatribe. What some of you may not know, have forgotton, or decided it suits you to overlook, at the time the deal was made with BoB, there was a 10/10 Angel complex in the RIT Triangle. This complex could be run twice a day, if not three times if one was on the ball. We ran it as often as we could, tho there was a bit of competition from other alliances that came in for that purpose.
*waves to Komolov and Papa Digger
To give a realistic view, we often pulled 2-3 billion isk a day from that complex until complexes were nerfed. This isk went to the alliance and to pay Bob the agreed upon rent. I don't know exact figures in isk the complex gave to the alliance. 6 Billion isk a month for a possible return of 50-100 billion isk a month.
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