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NightmareX Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.02.12 11:43:00 - [151] Originally by: Saerdna16ID So pirates sitting in a gate waiting some poor guy jump in and sent him to oblivious with no chance to fight back and you are complaining cause someone has found a way to overcome this? Sad pirates, well we can say its an exploit having a gate camp. I say camping a gate is an exploit ban the people who do it when CCP is going to fix this exploid? If you jump into a low sec gate camp and get killed, then you deserve to die because you didn't use a scout before you jumped in. Hard to understand? CCP, fix my forum portrait FFS
Xailz Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2008.02.12 11:53:00 - [152] Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Saerdna16ID So pirates sitting in a gate waiting some poor guy jump in and sent him to oblivious with no chance to fight back and you are complaining cause someone has found a way to overcome this? Sad pirates, well we can say its an exploit having a gate camp. I say camping a gate is an exploit ban the people who do it when CCP is going to fix this exploid? If you jump into a low sec gate camp and get killed, then you deserve to die because you didn't use a scout before you jumped in. Hard to understand? Not everyone has alts you no and he has a valid point as ive stated before gate camps should not be a iwin button kthxbi
NightmareX Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.02.12 12:00:00 - [153] Edited by: NightmareX on 12/02/2008 12:07:28 Originally by: Xailz Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Saerdna16ID So pirates sitting in a gate waiting some poor guy jump in and sent him to oblivious with no chance to fight back and you are complaining cause someone has found a way to overcome this? Sad pirates, well we can say its an exploit having a gate camp. I say camping a gate is an exploit ban the people who do it when CCP is going to fix this exploid? If you jump into a low sec gate camp and get killed, then you deserve to die because you didn't use a scout before you jumped in. Hard to understand? Not everyone has alts you no and he has a valid point as ive stated before gate camps should not be a iwin button kthxbi Did i say alt?, i did say a SCOUT. Use another guy in your corp to scout you if you need to go via low sec. Like me, i'll never fly around in a BS alone in 0.0 space for example, since it's so damn easy to get killed then. And it's my fault then if i die without having a scout. Low sec is almost like 0.0 space, except for that you have sentry guns and you can lose security status there, and you can't use a Doomsday Device there to. And ofc, you can't use warp bubbles in low sec. So again, if you jump into low sec without a scout and then you die, then you deserve to die for beeing dumb. CCP, fix my forum portrait FFS
Saerdna16ID Gallente 16th Interspacial Dynasty	Posted - 2008.02.12 12:33:00 - [154] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 12/02/2008 12:07:28 Originally by: Xailz Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Saerdna16ID So pirates sitting in a gate waiting some poor guy jump in and sent him to oblivious with no chance to fight back and you are complaining cause someone has found a way to overcome this? Sad pirates, well we can say its an exploit having a gate camp. I say camping a gate is an exploit ban the people who do it when CCP is going to fix this exploid? If you jump into a low sec gate camp and get killed, then you deserve to die because you didn't use a scout before you jumped in. Hard to understand? Not everyone has alts you no and he has a valid point as ive stated before gate camps should not be a iwin button kthxbi Did i say alt?, i did say a SCOUT. Use another guy in your corp to scout you if you need to go via low sec. Like me, i'll never fly around in a BS alone in 0.0 space for example, since it's so damn easy to get killed then. And it's my fault then if i die without having a scout. Low sec is almost like 0.0 space, except for that you have sentry guns and you can lose security status there, and you can't use a Doomsday Device there to. And ofc, you can't use warp bubbles in low sec. So again, if you jump into low sec without a scout and then you die, then you deserve to die for beeing dumb. I was trying to explain that the logic of the original poster is false by giving an example of same logic why camp gates should be banned. Nothing less, nothing more as for getting scouts its not always a viable solution since people are not always availiable to help you. Sometimes you have to take the risk and try it I myself i rarelly go to low sec and when i do i try to get a friend to scout for me. If i cant find anyone then i take my chances. I usually check the map and see how many ships have died in last hour in the system if i se 3 or 4 i do not go in. Its not 100% sure that you will pick up a gate camp but its a good indication.
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.02.12 14:22:00 - [155] First of all, the "I don't have an alt" is not a good excuse for being an impatient entitlement minded moron. The hilarious thing is that people assume pirates never have to go through lowsec jump gates or that we have a secret handshake between other pirates. WRONG, we're all susceptible to getting ganked in lowsec. The difference is that if you're familiar with gatecamping you're probably familiar with patiently avoiding them. You don't need an alt to scout. You can scout a lowsec gate in your own pod. Most people, unfortunately, do not have the patience to do this. They believe they're entitled to roam through lowsec at their discretion and when they get ganked it's because "pirates are griefers." In my case I choose not to play Russian Roulette with my expensive ships and cargo. I have no opinion on the fact that cloaks are the new WCS. It is what it is. Most people still are not doing this trick because most people do not do "tricks", they simply just go right into lowsec without a care in the world. And when they die it's everyone else's fault. I think the problem is we play this game with so many young people, children really, and different cultures, where people don't believe they should have to put forth any effort to prevent their own suffering. /makes fart noise
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.02.12 14:55:00 - [156] So were my ideas on the gate camp using drones completely worthless? Has anyone tried cycling tech 1 drones, leaving a bunch abandoned to replace those that might get popped? I mean 5-6 ships with 5 drones out swirling around would cover a good percentage of that space around the gate for target warp in. Infact if the gate camp has a scout (which it should as well), you could keep your drones in - until the target jumps, then unload them. Do remote reps not heal drones quick enough? I'm just trying to come up with ideas to deal with this, even if my idea doesn't work 100% of the time and makes it chance based (sometimes they get away sometimes they don't) I would find that acceptable. __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
Stele Toque Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.12 18:22:00 - [157] Originally by: Le Skunk No... no you dont. You need under 1 million isk of fittings for a battleship to be able to do this. You need to be able to use a cloak and a mwd... basic starter skills. This pittance invalidates 100s of millions of skillpoints, the teamwork which eve is based on, and billions of isk worth of ships and fitting. Its clearly unbalanced - Its clearly unintended SKUNK basic starter skills???? i'm weeks away from both a BS and a cloaking device. the mere pittance of skills and isk still have to be earned for the warp bubble and webifier to trap people. you wail far too much about this.
Psorion The Nine Gates	Posted - 2008.02.12 21:38:00 - [158] Originally by: techzer0 Originally by: Psorion Wow, you low sec guys got your panties up in a serious bunch. Well, like someone else said, maybe you should move to .0 if you can hang. You can use warp bubbles and dictors and that will keep them from warping away. Ok... the point is that we choose not to live in 0.0 for a reason... 100+man lagfests aren't half as fun as a good 10vs10. A frig or cruiser blob is fun sometimes for obvious reasons, but I prefer to play where I don't have to watch a slideshow of what is going on. The point is, when a cloak is used normally, there is a 20-30 second re-cloak penalty on any ship that isn't bonused for it. I can understand industrials using this to get through, since they are a deathtrap for the guy flying them, but a Battleship being un-targetable is ridiculous. You are just crying for a larger advantage than you already have. With a low sec camp, with ships that can tank the gate guns, you wont have the scan res to lock a ship fast enough, thats not by accident. Its to keep wanna be pirates from having their way. 1st : Not all 0.0 is 100+ man lagfest. You lack perspective and experience. I think the reason you live in low sec is because you want easy kills. Well, good for the battleship guy that uses the mechanics to slip past your camp. 2: That battleship has the same recloak penalty. If your camp is skilled enough to uncloak him before he can align properly you can get a point on him. So really, your lack skill and want to blame that on someone else. I suggest you improve your game, or move to an area of space that will allow you to use better tools. (Ie .0). Only problem with .0 is small stuff can attack your camp would have to have scouts, intel to keep from getting rushed by a bigger gang. If your really too chicken to move to 0. why dont you camp a .0 entry point? Doril is NPC (Curse), so you can fight it out there. Like I said before tho, usually whiney posts from pirates about people that got away come from little nublets that 'want' to play pirate with 0 risk.. Whine on, im not fooled....
Donna Maria Amarr	Posted - 2008.02.12 21:41:00 - [159] Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 12/02/2008 00:30:20 Originally by: Stele Toque It takes time to earn the skills and money required to outfit your ship in order to do this. No... no you dont. You need under 1 million isk of fittings for a battleship to be able to do this. You need to be able to use a cloak and a mwd... basic starter skills. This pittance invalidates 100s of millions of skillpoints, the teamwork which eve is based on, and billions of isk worth of ships and fitting. Its clearly unbalanced - Its clearly unintended SKUNK No thats not true... To align quickly you will need to train up the navigation skills beyond basic level 1s.. Same with cloaking skill. The real problem is this is not flawed, its just you are being outsmarted and dont like it. Adapt. Move your camp, get faster lockers, or cry us a river.. Im the girl momma warned you about..
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.02.12 21:53:00 - [160] Edited by: Alowishus on 12/02/2008 21:54:44 Originally by: Psorion If your really too chicken to move to 0. Blah blah. Typical 0.0 carebear talk. I lived there for a long, long time and 0.0 is where carebears go to make ISK and pretend to PvP once in awhile. 0.0 is where my grandma lives. In the years I was in 0.0 90% of the "PvP" was 20:1 ganks at gatecamps or asteroid belts, the rest was sovereignty hockey and worthless 100 man fleet battles that lasted 10 seconds. The times there were fair and fun fights I can count on one hand and not even use my thumb. Please don't delude yourself by thinking 0.0 alliance warfare is the top of the PvP food chain, it's actually borderline pathetic. Your glorious 0.0 alliances are where us "chicken" pirates put our alts so we can get a slice of the 0.0 pie. Chances are there's a "chicken" pirate alt in your gang right now laughing about your ideas of PvP. Maybe it's mine. At least us lowsec pirates aren't delusional about what we do. We gank, and it's fun and lucrative. I don't disagree with you about the cloak-align-warp thing. I don't even have an opinion about it. It rarely ever happens because, as I've stated, people who die in lowsec are stupid, lazy and impatient. The best tricks in the world are lost on them because they don't feel they're in any way responsible for their own survival. I'm only interjecting here to let you know that being condescending because you feel 0.0 combat somehow makes you superior doesn't help your argument or credibility. /makes fart noise
Psorion The Nine Gates	Posted - 2008.02.12 22:02:00 - [161] Originally by: Alowishus Edited by: Alowishus on 12/02/2008 21:54:44 Originally by: Psorion If your really too chicken to move to 0. Blah blah. Typical 0.0 carebear talk. I lived there for a long, long time and 0.0 is where carebears go to make ISK and pretend to PvP once in awhile. 0.0 is where my grandma lives. In the years I was in 0.0 90% of the "PvP" was 20:1 ganks at gatecamps or asteroid belts, the rest was sovereignty hockey and worthless 100 man fleet battles that lasted 10 seconds. The times there were fair and fun fights I can count on one hand and not even use my thumb. Please don't delude yourself by thinking 0.0 alliance warfare is the top of the PvP food chain, it's actually borderline pathetic. Your glorious 0.0 alliances are where us "chicken" pirates put our alts so we can get a slice of the 0.0 pie. Chances are there's a "chicken" pirate alt in your gang right now laughing about your ideas of PvP. Maybe it's mine. At least us lowsec pirates aren't delusional about what we do. We gank, and it's fun and lucrative. I don't disagree with you about the cloak-align-warp thing. I don't even have an opinion about it. It rarely ever happens because, as I've stated, people who die in lowsec are stupid, lazy and impatient. The best tricks in the world are lost on them because they don't feel they're in any way responsible for their own survival. I'm only interjecting here to let you know that being condescending because you feel 0.0 combat somehow makes you superior doesn't help your argument or credibility. Spoken like a true empire care-bear wanna be pirate. Trust me, real 0.0 happens in my portion of space. I guess you have Post tramatic stress or something. Maybe you were in the wrong alliance/space to speak so lowly of your old times in .0 We participate in daily pvp fights that are fun and actually much better than my lowsec days. I guess you call 'real pvp' sitting in a bunch of battlecruisers or HACS waiting for some slob to jump through some low.sec gate or playing docking games at some station. Have fun. Im out doing explorations, fleet ops, raids, and all the things that Low Sec doesnt have... So go put your apron back on and bake some more muffins ..
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 22:09:00 - [162] Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 12/02/2008 22:10:31 hey I was in muffin factory, let's leave making muffins out of this one I moved on to bigger and better things, sec stats is at -8.1 and is continuing to rise And I got good reason to getting positive sec status again... all the whining jetcan miners have made me realize I can get much better smack talk out of them Originally by: Avaricia look a goon lol
Stele Toque Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.12 22:10:00 - [163] yeah ... i love muffins. blueberry ones especially.
Donna Maria Amarr	Posted - 2008.02.12 22:16:00 - [164] If I come to Aridia, can I get free Muffins? Im the girl momma warned you about..
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.02.12 22:26:00 - [165] Originally by: Psorion Trust me, real 0.0 happens in my portion of space. Like I said, I have alts. More than one. And I'm right there with you pretending to be a main and trying not laugh too hard. /makes fart noise
Leyalor Esperence DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.02.13 23:04:00 - [166] Originally by: Psorion Spoken like a true empire care-bear wanna be pirate. Trust me, real 0.0 happens in my portion of space. I guess you have Post tramatic stress or something. Maybe you were in the wrong alliance/space to speak so lowly of your old times in .0 We participate in daily pvp fights that are fun and actually much better than my lowsec days. I guess you call 'real pvp' sitting in a bunch of battlecruisers or HACS waiting for some slob to jump through some low.sec gate or playing docking games at some station. Have fun. Im out doing explorations, fleet ops, raids, and all the things that Low Sec doesnt have... So go put your apron back on and bake some more muffins .. Perhaps we live in low sec because we choose to? And the things you listed no longer interest us? Please do us a favor and don't derail threads with your useless bleatings. Originally by: Alowishus Blah blah. Typical 0.0 carebear talk. I lived there for a long, long time and 0.0 is where carebears go to make ISK and pretend to PvP once in awhile. 0.0 is where my grandma lives. In the years I was in 0.0 90% of the "PvP" was 20:1 ganks at gatecamps or asteroid belts, the rest was sovereignty hockey and worthless 100 man fleet battles that lasted 10 seconds. The times there were fair and fun fights I can count on one hand and not even use my thumb. Please don't delude yourself by thinking 0.0 alliance warfare is the top of the PvP food chain, it's actually borderline pathetic. Your glorious 0.0 alliances are where us "chicken" pirates put our alts so we can get a slice of the 0.0 pie. Chances are there's a "chicken" pirate alt in your gang right now laughing about your ideas of PvP. Maybe it's mine. At least us lowsec pirates aren't delusional about what we do. We gank, and it's fun and lucrative. QFT. Pies are tasty.
Adunh Slavy Ammatar Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2008.02.14 09:03:00 - [167] Originally by: Alowishus They believe they're entitled to roam through lowsec at their discretion and when they get ganked it's because "pirates are griefers." What follows is not against you, Alowishus, so much as the sentiment. We are not entitled to roam with out danger, that's the point of non-consensual PVP. But we shouldnÆt have to put up with game mechanics that enforce gank game play. In my view, and the view of many others, this is broken and always has been. Travel should be dangerous, that's where a lot of the thrill is, but it so uninteresting and unimaginative. Eve can be so much better than this. Gates Suck. The Real Space Initiative - V5 (Forum Link)
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.02.14 09:20:00 - [168] Originally by: Psorion You are just crying for a larger advantage than you already have. With a low sec camp, with ships that can tank the gate guns, you wont have the scan res to lock a ship fast enough, thats not by accident. Its to keep wanna be pirates from having their way. Yes, I will. Triple Sensor boosted tackling HIC + one or two remote boosters is well over 1500 scan res. Originally by: Psorion 1st : Not all 0.0 is 100+ man lagfest. You lack perspective and experience. I think the reason you live in low sec is because you want easy kills. Well, good for the battleship guy that uses the mechanics to slip past your camp. True, but it is also not very friendly to the guys who don't want to deal with 0.0 politics, or could care less about them or alliances. And as I'm sure you know alliances don't necessarily like to blue individual corps/pirate corps. Originally by: Psorion 2: That battleship has the same recloak penalty. If your camp is skilled enough to uncloak him before he can align properly you can get a point on him. So really, your lack skill and want to blame that on someone else. I suggest you improve your game, or move to an area of space that will allow you to use better tools. (Ie .0). Only problem with .0 is small stuff can attack your camp would have to have scouts, intel to keep from getting rushed by a bigger gang. I said before I've never had the problem of not being able to decloak a BS that was doing this, and I've never ad a problem decloaking a ship that's come through that couldn't warp cloaked. Originally by: Psorion 3: Easy fix for this. CCP increase the damage of Lowsec guns so you muppets cant sit there all day waiting . Force pirates to hunt in the belts or elsewhere. If you're really too chicken to move to 0. why dont you camp a .0 entry point? Doril is NPC (Curse), so you can fight it out there. Like I said before tho, usually whiney posts from pirates about people that got away come from little nublets that 'want' to play pirate with 0 risk.. Whine on, im not fooled.... Do I need to reply? You obviously have no respect for pirates and so your opinion is biased... 0.0 is more dead than lowsec, and if I'm out roaming solo I take a small ship and see what kinda trouble I can cause. Being hunted by two carriers and a BS gang of "1337" 0.0 pvp'ers and in lowsec in my HID solo for popping a cyno alt makes me soooo want to move out to 0.0 just to get dropped more often ------------ Originally by: Praxis1452 you win eve
CoLe Blackblood Transnational Speedway League	Posted - 2008.02.14 11:02:00 - [169] Are the same people *****ing here the same that got the nanos nerfed way back? And Nos? sounds like a bunch of babies on these forums, I thought it was COAD
Siren Call Dragon Highlords	Posted - 2008.02.14 11:39:00 - [170] Originally by: Alowishus Edited by: Alowishus on 12/02/2008 21:54:44 Originally by: Psorion If your really too chicken to move to 0. Blah blah. Typical 0.0 carebear talk. I lived there for a long, long time and 0.0 is where carebears go to make ISK and pretend to PvP once in awhile. 0.0 is where my grandma lives. In the years I was in 0.0 90% of the "PvP" was 20:1 ganks at gatecamps or asteroid belts, the rest was sovereignty hockey and worthless 100 man fleet battles that lasted 10 seconds. The times there were fair and fun fights I can count on one hand and not even use my thumb. Please don't delude yourself by thinking 0.0 alliance warfare is the top of the PvP food chain, it's actually borderline pathetic. Your glorious 0.0 alliances are where us "chicken" pirates put our alts so we can get a slice of the 0.0 pie. Chances are there's a "chicken" pirate alt in your gang right now laughing about your ideas of PvP. Maybe it's mine. At least us lowsec pirates aren't delusional about what we do. We gank, and it's fun and lucrative. I don't disagree with you about the cloak-align-warp thing. I don't even have an opinion about it. It rarely ever happens because, as I've stated, people who die in lowsec are stupid, lazy and impatient. The best tricks in the world are lost on them because they don't feel they're in any way responsible for their own survival. I'm only interjecting here to let you know that being condescending because you feel 0.0 combat somehow makes you superior doesn't help your argument or credibility. i aggree with this, my corp lived in 0.0 in various regions for about 2 years, and now we live in low sec and pirate to our hearts content. 0.0 combat is utterly pointless nowadays, just cloaking nano hac gangs ganking people, fleet battles that are tbh 2-3 hours of boredom then you get primaried ,and screaming in ur alliance chat for someone to actually gang up to do pvp. Then we moved to low sec and as a corp we have taken about 3-4 billion isk in loot in around a month. Also low sec combat requires thought, and in my oppinion pirates are the only true full time pvpers in eve And as for the cloaking align thing, all you need is a mwd and a fastish ship and u can decloak them...not to difficult. You just need to use your head, something which the majority of people who jump into low sec dont seem to do. The ones who do use their head dont die :)
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.14 18:50:00 - [171] Originally by: techzer0 Originally by: Psorion 2: That battleship has the same recloak penalty. If your camp is skilled enough to uncloak him before he can align properly you can get a point on him. So really, your lack skill and want to blame that on someone else. I suggest you improve your game, or move to an area of space that will allow you to use better tools. (Ie .0). Only problem with .0 is small stuff can attack your camp would have to have scouts, intel to keep from getting rushed by a bigger gang. I said before I've never had the problem of not being able to decloak a BS that was doing this, and I've never ad a problem decloaking a ship that's come through that couldn't warp cloaked. The offers still open to run my mwd cloak exploiting alt cleanly past your camp, if youd care to tell me where you operate, HICS or no. SKUNK
sethfon	Posted - 2008.02.14 19:33:00 - [172] Hey any of you guys got any Cheese. It is now 0.0 v low sec. Then there is the op that could not catch a cloaked ship. Man with all the wine flowing i need cheese for me and my date. Not that i really care, i hate gate camping and i live in low sec. Fix the guns and fix the cloak and then both sides would have danger. 0.0 v low sec no fix there just one group v other group.
Donna Maria Amarr	Posted - 2008.02.15 02:40:00 - [173] Really Waaa somemore please . I ran down a Manticore using in a Caracal. So you should be able to get a freaking Raven. Im the girl momma warned you about..
Leyalor Esperence DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.02.15 08:43:00 - [174] Originally by: sethfon Hey any of you guys got any Cheese. It is now 0.0 v low sec. Then there is the op that could not catch a cloaked ship. Man with all the wine flowing i need cheese for me and my date. Not that i really care, i hate gate camping and i live in low sec. Fix the guns and fix the cloak and then both sides would have danger. 0.0 v low sec no fix there just one group v other group. Hi there! If you plan on talking like a child, at least do us the favor of posting with your main so we can better ignore you in the future! Thanks for playing! Pies are tasty.
Ja'kar MAFIA	Posted - 2008.02.15 09:32:00 - [175] why why why - do so many want eve on soft mode - glory were the days of the hardcore - MWD + CLOAK = EXPLOIT Its that simple - why because cloak was never meant to work that way (CCP _ some info please!) bring back wt15 I say -
Fou Yong	Posted - 2008.02.15 13:39:00 - [176] Thank you for enlightening me to this, will use to great effect. Will tell all carebear friends too, many thanks again!
sethfon	Posted - 2008.02.15 20:07:00 - [177] Sethfon is my main! I was talking like a child to make a point just play game have fun.
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.02.15 20:46:00 - [178] Edited by: techzer0 on 15/02/2008 20:47:28 Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: techzer0 Originally by: Psorion 2: That battleship has the same recloak penalty. If your camp is skilled enough to uncloak him before he can align properly you can get a point on him. So really, your lack skill and want to blame that on someone else. I suggest you improve your game, or move to an area of space that will allow you to use better tools. (Ie .0). Only problem with .0 is small stuff can attack your camp would have to have scouts, intel to keep from getting rushed by a bigger gang. I said before I've never had the problem of not being able to decloak a BS that was doing this, and I've never ad a problem decloaking a ship that's come through that couldn't warp cloaked. The offers still open to run my mwd cloak exploiting alt cleanly past your camp, if youd care to tell me where you operate, HICS or no. SKUNK I'll take your word for it.. because I'm currently fixing my sec because I'm a traitor Otherwise it'd be interesting to see it work... over and over. ------------ Originally by: Praxis1452 you win eve
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.02.15 20:48:00 - [179] Originally by: CoLe Blackblood Are the same people ***ing here the same that got the nanos nerfed way back? And Nos? sounds like a bunch of babies on these forums, I thought it was COAD Meh.. I use nanos still and never cared for the nos change. Just something to talk about on the forums ------------ Originally by:** Praxis1452 you win eve
Donna Maria Amarr	Posted - 2008.02.15 21:06:00 - [180] Edited by: Donna Maria on 15/02/2008 21:17:52 Originally by: Le Skunk The offers still open to run my mwd cloak exploiting alt cleanly past your camp, if youd care to tell me where you operate, HICS or no. SKUNK Come to Syndicate. U will find us :) Im the girl momma warned you about..

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