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Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.08 17:32:00 - [91] Edited by: Le Skunk on 08/02/2008 17:33:55 Edited by: Le Skunk on 08/02/2008 17:32:03 Originally by: milinkoee Just use a ceptor to decloak them before their MWD cycle finishes. Just because he has learned to properly avoid unprepared gate camps doesn't mean you should come running to the forums for a nerf. Learn to run a gate camp better. Again.. tell me where you camp and ill run my mwdcloak exploiting alt past your camps. Or will it turn out you live in 0.0 (like the first troll) or have only killed two afk ships in higsec (like the second) Server lag, water like space physics, delay in locking time, instant deceleration, loss of aproach when the ship cloaks, and insta warp makes your suggestion pretty much unusable. As you would know if you had actualy tried it instead of just randomly posting about it SKUNK
Tal Nok Amarr DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.02.08 17:33:00 - [92] Originally by: milinkoee Just use a ceptor to decloak them before their MWD cycle finishes. Just because he has learned to properly avoid unprepared gate camps doesn't mean you should come running to the forums for a nerf. Learn to run a gate camp better. Please re-read this thread. I think you've missed a few posts explaining about this. Funny as this same comment was made on the other thread, and the same answer was given. Originally by: CCP Mitnal Forum gods ANGRY. Need sacrifice. Originally by: hellsknights It's always nice to kill something you can't afford
Shigsy D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.08 17:36:00 - [93] Some people are really clueless. This trick has been around a while, but fortunatly, it is not well known, until now. Why did this thread have to be made
Agent Li Caldari Galactic Defence Consortium BLACKHAWK FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.02.08 17:39:00 - [94] Edited by: Agent Li on 08/02/2008 17:39:28 Originally by: Le Skunk Attentive enough in that the pirates are on the gate before the ship jumps. CHECK Flying the right fits. HIC, 2300 scan res LAchesis, Huggin, remote reps, battlship support. CHECK SKUNK No HICs involved - this was before the infinipoint thing. Several fast intys to decloak me and then keep me locked so I couldn't recloak. Then the scram, the web from larger ships... The rest was just a few bs and bc blowing me up within seconds. It doesn't take a lot of ships - just good coordination and a team of the right ships. ------------------ Let me show you around. That's my lab table, and this is my workstool. And over there is my intergalactic spaceship. And here's where I keep assorted lengths of wire.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.08 17:42:00 - [95] Originally by: Shigsy Some people are really clueless. This trick has been around a while, but fortunatly, it is not well known, until now. Why did this thread have to be made These threads have been popping up more and more regulaly over the past couple of months. Another two of them posted this week. If its a borked game mechanic (which most people say it is) then its a borked game mechanic whetehr 100 people are doing it or 10000. I enocurage everyone to use it. It costs you 1 million isk It only takes 1 or 2 slots from a full combat fit BS. Its 99% effective It enables you to travel unscouted thoguh low sec at will. It will allow one of the slowest and bulkiest ships in the game to warp like an interceptor and confound a gate camp of 10 ships. The more this is abused, the quicker CCP will have to look at it and implement one of a couple of very easy fixes. SKUNK
Agent Li Caldari Galactic Defence Consortium BLACKHAWK FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.02.08 17:45:00 - [96] Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: Shigsy Some people are really clueless. This trick has been around a while, but fortunatly, it is not well known, until now. Why did this thread have to be made These threads have been popping up more and more regulaly over the past couple of months. Another two of them posted this week. If its a borked game mechanic (which most people say it is) then its a borked game mechanic whetehr 100 people are doing it or 10000. I enocurage everyone to use it. It costs you 1 million isk It only takes 1 or 2 slots from a full combat fit BS. Its 99% effective It enables you to travel unscouted thoguh low sec at will. It will allow one of the slowest and bulkiest ships in the game to warp like an interceptor and confound a gate camp of 10 ships. The more this is abused, the quicker CCP will have to look at it and implement one of a couple of very easy fixes. SKUNK It's only 99% effective in a Crane, and only then against idiots. If the gate camp is competent, they will catch me all the time. And I'm flying a modded blockade runner... ------------------ Let me show you around. That's my lab table, and this is my workstool. And over there is my intergalactic spaceship. And here's where I keep assorted lengths of wire.
Night Tripper Es and Whizz	Posted - 2008.02.08 17:49:00 - [97] it's a little amusing to see farmers whining about this. it's not 100% fool proof, and a well balanced gate camp can counter it.
Niesh Destin	Posted - 2008.02.08 17:53:00 - [98] Originally by: Le Skunk If its a borked game mechanic (which most people say it is) then its a borked game mechanic whetehr 100 people are doing it or 10000. I enocurage everyone to use it. SKUNK I actualy only see 2 people saying it is on a regular basis. Everyone else is saying it isn't or telling you to stop whining. shrug Either way it's not an exploit at this time according to the devs. Though like most things if enough people complain about it they may change that fact. Which I guess is what you are trying to do. Personaly I can't use a cloak. I'm a miner. Which is the reason I and most everyone in my corp will never to to low sec. The more ways they keep us from going to low sec the less targets you are going to have. Niesh Destin
sbreach Gallente PezCo - Ice Services Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.02.08 17:55:00 - [99] Generally this "trick" is best used with things like the cov-ops frigs, mwd and cloaking aligned, and when i say the frig its mainly due to its best use in 0.0 where bubbles can be deployed. The method also works well with every other ship, and it works well enough to make it hard for someone who really doesn't want their stuff blown up to get away. There is no easy solution to this, since when the ship hits the MWD, and then cloak, the acceleration boost is so much that by the time they insta cloak, they can be at 300+ms where their max speed just drops down to 10ms. Thus anyone who REALLY doesn't want their stuff blown up, has a insta warp safespot from the gate so they can then be certain they will not be taken down. But generally it is usually good enough to jump in , spend some seconds to get your bearings and get ready to align, as you double click your destination you hit mwd then cloak, and as soon as your done you can decloak and warp the second your fully aligned. So really it requires luck, or more so the unluck of the person trying to get away for them to die. I'd assume the key to this method to try to stop the ship cloaking away in the first place, where having ships/ alts stationed around the gate could work but isnt guaranteed to work. Having drones on assist as a swarm of frigs spiral the gate should be enough for most, since if he can be prevented from cloaking he cannot instant jump and you have the time between the MWD tick to lock/scram (where they are probably stabbed out too) I'm speculating the damage from a smart bomb should decloak a ship? I cannot be sure but i assume it does. so if it isnt please correct me. But it could be possible to place 4-6 or so smart bombing BS so when they try to cloak the smart hits em and they decloak, assuming damage from smart bombs do decloak. as an added bonus, any shuttle filled with delicious bpo's incoming to your gate gets instant popped. and possible any hauler which is unprepared. Still this is assuming smartbombs blast radius does remove cloak. However its still likely the speed drop from the cloak will initially already be enough. and hoping they are slow in align could be the only chance. Yea its not easy and maybe its not fair i cannot say, but it's not like it hasnt been around for a long time. and i always assumed it was widely used already.
Twilight Mourning	Posted - 2008.02.08 17:57:00 - [100] Originally by: Night Tripper it's a little amusing to see farmers whining about this. it's not 100% fool proof, and a well balanced gate camp can counter it. Actualy. I believe it is 100% fool proof. Which would explain why Skunk is so upset about it. It's not 100% competent proof. Of course if they catered only to the fools we would all fly the same ship as the same race while never leaving our gate camp.
Captain Thunk Captain Morgan Society	Posted - 2008.02.08 18:05:00 - [101] Originally by: Xlover Hence people borking this method and dying. Done it many many times.SAME WAY.So go back to talking about BOB yet shooting the goons. The method is pretty simple if you know what you're doing and does guarantee a certain amount of immunity. Glad you're following my posts, I think you'll agree it's much better than posting behind an alt /me gives Tal Nok a hug
Feilamya	Posted - 2008.02.08 18:06:00 - [102] Edited by: Feilamya on 08/02/2008 18:07:23 Originally by: Del Icious please switch your brains on guys. we are talking about lowsec. you can pass every (LOWSEC!!!) gatecamp by just - fit a MWD+CLOAK to your factino fitted CNR - after jump align, press mwd, cloak, decloak, instawarp - laugh at pirates in local - send roses to ccps headquarter Seems like the whole obsession for heavy dictors and all this lolololihaveinfinitestabs ****age has finally spelled doom upon all lowsec piracy. Now that carebears have discovered the cloak+mwd trick, there are dark times ahead. Carebears will start populating lowsec again. We will see Hulks mining in 0.1, CNRs flying missions in 0.3 and faction fitted Ravens ratting in 0.2 in place of the usual caracals. CCP please fix gatecampign!!! No, wait ... don't.
Slave 775 Ministry of Punishment Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.08 18:21:00 - [103] Originally by: sbreach I'm speculating the damage from a smart bomb should decloak a ship? I cannot be sure but i assume it does. so if it isnt please correct me. But it could be possible to place 4-6 or so smart bombing BS so when they try to cloak the smart hits em and they decloak, assuming damage from smart bombs do decloak. as an added bonus, any shuttle filled with delicious bpo's incoming to your gate gets instant popped. and possible any hauler which is unprepared. Still this is assuming smartbombs blast radius does remove cloak. However its still likely the speed drop from the cloak will initially already be enough. and hoping they are slow in align could be the only chance. Smartbombs wont decloak a ship which uses a cloaking device. Dont know what happens if your still cloaked from the gate.
Agent Li Caldari Galactic Defence Consortium BLACKHAWK FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.02.08 18:37:00 - [104] Originally by: Slave 775 Smartbombs wont decloak a ship which uses a cloaking device. Dont know what happens if your still cloaked from the gate. I'm sure the wreck of a smartbombed ship would be decloaked. ------------------ Let me show you around. That's my lab table, and this is my workstool. And over there is my intergalactic spaceship. And here's where I keep assorted lengths of wire.
Sorted Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.08 20:02:00 - [105] Originally by: Mochalatte Originally by: Sorted Originally by: Rajere 1) It takes 10 seconds for the MWD to shut off for this trick to work This is incorrect. although the cycle time is correct the insta warp once alinged is still possible while the MWD is turning off. NO you ***** moron..MWD oof for warp speed to be there due to cloak affect on speed.GET A CLUE!!! Try it. I just did. Please re-construct your sentence as your not very clear. If your saying that the cloak MWD, aling and insta warping doesnt work, well you wrong. still. Originally by:** Begottenotmade Originally by: Sorted Originally by: Technix Doing this.. you also have to wait till your MWD cycles. SO... that is 10 seconds or so that you have to decloak a friggin BS.. before he can uncloak to insta warp. Try not failing at EVE. wrong. try not commenting when you are clearly clueless. Try even having an idea of what you cry about, before you throw your fit.The MWD cycle has to end so your speed get back up to warp due to cloak effect on speed. Maybe you should post another whiney covert pirate post about how to bring more players into low sec to "help" EVE.Pirates whining because they fail at a game online is super funny and your pubbie tears taste SWEET. Try using what the game gives instead of crying because you couldn't tackle or approach a BS that is cloaked.I know you fail to gank much, and that ONE km is hurting your ego and stats.Though i would prefer to not cry to have the dev's change something that will end up screwing something else up due to bad patching..because some pubbie that can't figure out EVE crys. Wasnt crying dude, spimly asking for a non-bubble alternative solution - so far very fast inties are my only resolution. What you say is "The MWD cycle has to end so your speed get back up to warp due to cloak effect on speed" - so you say you cant warp with an MWD active? try it. aling, hit the MWD, hit warp, see if you warp b4 the cycle ends. As far as patching and already having a counter goes - REF: 06 ECM. We had ECCM, they still needed to correct the game mechanics. If there are no other alternatives to catching a travel fitted ship (cruisers/frigs/transports etc) then it may need to be looked at I think. (Exluding spamming ships, manned or unmanned) NB: I havent started a non-sale thread in months.
Tal Nok Amarr DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.02.08 20:02:00 - [106] Originally by: Captain Thunk /me gives Tal Nok a hug I got loves! Originally by: CCP Mitnal Forum gods ANGRY. Need sacrifice. Originally by: hellsknights It's always nice to kill something you can't afford
VLAD DRACU gandacul rau	Posted - 2008.02.08 21:47:00 - [107] Edited by: VLAD DRACU on 08/02/2008 21:51:07 Originally by: Begottenotmade 3) Stop crying about carebears out smarting you. that's more like it... Originally by: Le Skunk It will allow one of the slowest and bulkiest ships in the game to warp like an interceptor and confound a gate camp of 10 ships. so just because you got a problem not being able to catch the bulkiest ships in lowsec it's a borked game mechanic? lol go pew-pew an asteroid with some mining lasers, it's bulky and wont mwd, decloak, align, bump, cloak, warp, uncloak and jump that easy Edit: DRACU
Ja'kar MAFIA	Posted - 2008.02.09 10:41:00 - [108] Simple question: Is this how cloak was to be used? Yes/no
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.09 12:33:00 - [109] Originally by: Ja'kar Simple question: Is this how cloak was to be used? Yes/no A very very good question.. one that perhaps strikes at the crux of the matter. worthy of a ccp answer please wrangler and co. When the cloak was designed and brought into the game by ccp , was it designed to act as a break on a mwd to lower the warp threshold and allow insta warping battleships? Is this what you designed it for, or is it being used in a way you did not forsee and thus is abusing the mechanics you programmed for its use? SKUNK
Joachim Kato Xenobytes	Posted - 2008.02.09 12:38:00 - [110] Funny how so many peeps are trying to flame Le Skunk yet totally failing to see what he's saying (or they never been inna situation like this when you cant do nothing to a BS pilot who is using this method of evading camps). I'm not whining about that, I'm just saying that reading comprehension is 4TFW. You see, you CAN'T decloak him in time - it's impossible or close to it even when you have 16kms ceptor + 5 warriors assigned to it, cuz that BS will warp out and it doesn't matter whether hes cloaked or not BECAUSE he gets insta warp as soon as he is decloaked aniways. P.S. 95% of players here are seemingly ready to smack everyone (or someone in particular) and his grandma's cat while being totally incompetent which is obvious from what they post or how they understand the problem. I have this idea, that 80% of the peeps here haven't encountered such situiation previously thus can't understand the problem discussed here, 15% of the players are prolly too dumb or hammered to notice what happened when they encountered such mwd/cloaking BS aniways and that's displayed here perfectly - they don't get the thing we are talking about here, yet they still smack about totally different thing.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.09 12:50:00 - [111] Originally by: Joachim Kato Funny how so many peeps are trying to flame Le Skunk yet totally failing to see what he's saying (or they never been inna situation like this when you cant do nothing to a BS pilot who is using this method of evading camps). I'm not whining about that, I'm just saying that reading comprehension is 4TFW. You see, you CAN'T decloak him in time - it's impossible or close to it even when you have 16kms ceptor + 5 warriors assigned to it, cuz that BS will warp out and it doesn't matter whether hes cloaked or not BECAUSE he gets insta warp as soon as he is decloaked aniways. P.S. 95% of players here are seemingly ready to smack everyone (or someone in particular) and his grandma's cat while being totally incompetent which is obvious from what they post or how they understand the problem. I have this idea, that 80% of the peeps here haven't encountered such situiation previously thus can't understand the problem discussed here, 15% of the players are prolly too dumb or hammered to notice what happened when they encountered such mwd/cloaking BS aniways and that's displayed here perfectly - they don't get the thing we are talking about here, yet they still smack about totally different thing. Great post thanks. I think you are almost definatly right about the smack posts. The last two guys to be outed as trolls commenting on this issues were 1) A 0.0 pilot who dosent go to low sec and uses interdictor bubbles (banned in low sec) 2) A pilot who operates in high sec, and has killed two afk pilots in a month. Neither of which had any idea what goes on in a low sec gatecamp. The people coming out in support of the OP generally tend to be the people who actualy camp gates and know the mechanics and chances of countering such an abuse So ccp, where cloaks designed to reduce the warp threshold and allow battleships to insta warp? Or is this an unintended abuse of the cloak mechanics? SKUNK
Twilight Mourning	Posted - 2008.02.09 13:44:00 - [112] Originally by: Le Skunk Lots of whining. Seems like another valid game tactic. Kinda like webbing your own ship to get it to warp faster. Aparently a GM has already said it's valid. I guess you are ignoring this because... You want to whine! Yay!
banner Caldari underworld cartel	Posted - 2008.02.09 16:58:00 - [113] i might be wrong but i have a suggestion, the way i see it this tactic might be beatable with timing and immense concentration on the overview, 1.when said BS enters system he is still cloaked, 2.he must then start aligning by double clicking towards where he wishes to go. 3. he then either has to hit the MWD button or shortcut keys to get his speed up, 4. he must wait for his speed to pass the warping speed before cloaking as hitting cloak straight away will just stop the acceleration and render the MWD useless 5. he then hits cloak, finishes aligning, uncloaks and warps the way i see it this isnt insta warp, i interpret that as warping from stand still without aligning or speeding up but it does make it difficult to catch. my suggestion as soon as a ship enters through the stargate, (before he starts aligning) hold down CTRL and be ready to left click his name on the over view. u have to be quick and i do understand that lag can be a pain in this situation but it is do-able. the way i see it is as soon as the targeting counter starts, (note that is counter, not locked) said BS cannot cloak, i know this as i tried to cloak while my corp mate was targeting me and i got the message "unable to cloak as ******** is targeting you", i do agree on some parts that the cloak shouldnt be able to activate if other modules are active seeing as though u cant activate modules while cloaked but until this is fixed just keep trying to find ways to defeat it. please dont flame as im only suggesting a method that i found worked and might not work for others depending on lag or other influences
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.09 18:24:00 - [114] Edited by: Le Skunk on 09/02/2008 18:24:31 Originally by: banner ... please dont flame as im only suggesting a method that i found worked and might not work for others depending on lag or other influences... Hi thanks for your post. I would never flame a constructive post like this which is a cut above many of the trolls curently lurking in this thread (normally indicated by a ! in their portrait window :) ) Right. Your locking idea. Well.. whilst it is true that if you are locked you cannot cloak, locking does not prevent this technique. In your preamble, you mention that Quote: he must wait for his speed to pass the warping speed before cloaking as hitting cloak straight away will just stop the acceleration and render the MWD useless" This is incorect. You have to hit the cloak IMMEDIATLY after you hit the mwd. Align, mwd, cloak should take under 1 second - And it is impossible to lock the target in this time. We have tested this with perhaps the higest scan res you can get in this game, a faction fitted sensor boosted inty.. and it is unable to lock the target in time to prevent it cloaking. SKUNK
Ursula LeGuinn Versus Gloria Omnis	Posted - 2008.02.09 20:13:00 - [115] For those wondering about exactly how this technique works: 1.) You exit the gate cloaked, and stay cloaked for one minute. Use this time to orient yourself. 2.) (Steps 2-4 must be done in rapid succession) Double-click anywhere in space, ideally away from the camp. You will begin to come out of gate cloak. 3.) As you come out of gate cloak, hit your microwarp drive. 4.) Immediately activate your on-board cloaking device. 5.) While coasting cloaked, double click to align yourself with your destination. 6.) The moment your microwarp drive deactivates, decloak and warp. You'll warp almost instantly, because you're already aligned and the freshly deactivated microwarp drive means you're at full speed. ________________
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.09 21:36:00 - [116] Originally by: Ursula LeGuinn For those wondering about exactly how this technique works: 1.) You exit the gate cloaked, and stay cloaked for one minute. Use this time to orient yourself. 2.) (Steps 2-4 must be done in rapid succession) Double-click anywhere in space, ideally away from the camp. You will begin to come out of gate cloak. 3.) As you come out of gate cloak, hit your microwarp drive. 4.) Immediately activate your on-board cloaking device. 5.) While coasting cloaked, double click to align yourself with your destination. 6.) The moment your microwarp drive deactivates, decloak and warp. You'll warp almost instantly, because you're already aligned and the freshly deactivated microwarp drive means you're at full speed. Whilst this may work, it is an inefficent use of this exploit. You should align to your target in step 2, not mwd off randomly then try to align whilst doding speed cloaked. In large ships this would be very difficult. However, from a standing cloaked start, you can spin your BS to align where you want to go instantly. SKUNK
Ursula LeGuinn Versus Gloria Omnis	Posted - 2008.02.09 22:37:00 - [117] Originally by: Le Skunk Whilst this may work, it is an inefficent use of this exploit. You should align to your target in step 2, not mwd off randomly then try to align whilst doding speed cloaked. In large ships this would be very difficult. However, from a standing cloaked start, you can spin your BS to align where you want to go instantly. SKUNK I know you can align to your target in step 2. However! It's possible for campers to figure out where you're aligning to if you align right off the bat, especially if they're using their tactical overlay. If you wait to align until you're cloaked, they will have to do some guesswork, scanning, or get lucky. ________________
Twilight Mourning	Posted - 2008.02.10 00:09:00 - [118] Originally by: Le Skunk Whilst this may work, it is an inefficent use of this exploit. You should align to your target in step 2, not mwd off randomly then try to align whilst doding speed cloaked. In large ships this would be very difficult. However, from a standing cloaked start, you can spin your BS to align where you want to go instantly. SKUNK I love your continued use of the word exploit when GMs have said that at this point of time it is NOT an exploit. It like you believe if you continue to use the word over and over enough times it will be real. A bit like a scared child screaming in the dark over and over that the boogybear isn't realy there. Quite sad. Please continue as the whining is realy making me smile irl. =)
NightmareX Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.02.10 00:35:00 - [119] Originally by: Twilight Mourning Originally by: Le Skunk Whilst this may work, it is an inefficent use of this exploit. You should align to your target in step 2, not mwd off randomly then try to align whilst doding speed cloaked. In large ships this would be very difficult. However, from a standing cloaked start, you can spin your BS to align where you want to go instantly. SKUNK I love your continued use of the word exploit when GMs have said that at this point of time it is NOT an exploit. It like you believe if you continue to use the word over and over enough times it will be real. A bit like a scared child screaming in the dark over and over that the boogybear isn't realy there. Quite sad. Please continue as the whining is realy making me smile irl. =) And i love your noobcake alt posting. Your balls must be tiny as hair. CCP, fix my forum portrait FFS
Cedric Diggory Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps	Posted - 2008.02.10 02:31:00 - [120] Since the drone changes, decloaking targets has never been easier! - All ships launch drones - All ships assign drones to assist the fastest ship - The fastest ship zooms in the direction of the cloaked ship, which was easily located using your tactical overlay. - Huge drone spam covers the entire area, decloaking your target and probably a few other ships you never even knew were on grid.

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