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Relah	Posted - 2008.02.07 04:12:00 - [1] Something is wrong when we can't lock a battleship before it warps using this. It needs fixing. It would be a simple implementation, just give 2-5 seconds before cloak can be used after a mwd activation. Even doing our own tests, we got a recon's scan resolution up to 5000 and are still unable to catch a ship using this. I honestly believe it should be considered an exploit.
Dianeces Minmatar Repo Industries	Posted - 2008.02.07 04:21:00 - [2] Gatecamps should not be PUSH BUTAN, RECEIVE KILLMAIL. Onoz, someone uses tactics and we can't just F1-F8, IT R EXPLOIT CCP!one!1 FFS, quit whining and use some tactics of your own. Eve rewards people who play smart, a little preparation in this case goes a long way towards solving your problem.
Barasu Minmatar Earned In Blood	Posted - 2008.02.07 04:22:00 - [3] How did you get the recon to 5000 scan res? I can also insta lock a BS in my inty with 2500 scan res. You need to learn to adapt to this situation. They align slow so deal with it.
Ursula LeGuinn Versus Gloria Omnis	Posted - 2008.02.07 04:25:00 - [4] Yeah, I was gonna say. It takes them half a friggin' hour (feels like that long during PvP) to align for warp, ESPECIALLY with a MWD running (which increases the align time considerably). During that time, Interceptors and any other sort of fast ships should be able to get within 2km and decloak it. A cloaked Raven, even with a MWD running, can't possibly move more than 100 m/sec, if that. Unless I'm missing something? ________________
Requiescat True Foundation R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.02.07 04:34:00 - [5] Originally by: Ursula LeGuinn ESPECIALLY with a MWD running (which increases the align time considerably). You are indeed missing something, MWD does not change align time at all. Easy solution, nano-discorokh. MWD, shield hardeners, speedfit. Get logistics spider tanking on the gate, sit the rokh where you'd normally put a discorokh, wait for some nub in a bs to try out the cloak trick and break your neck flying at him with bombs ablazing. Not even really necessary to get a point if you keep bumping. Hard but comical solution, everyone in the gatecamp rolls an alt and puts it in a shuttle orbiting the gate at 15k. Anything that gates in won't be able to cloak if there's a shuttle next to it.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.02.07 04:41:00 - [6] Originally by: Relah Something is wrong when we can't lock a battleship before it warps using this. It needs fixing. It would be a simple implementation, just give 2-5 seconds before cloak can be used after a mwd activation. Even doing our own tests, we got a recon's scan resolution up to 5000 and are still unable to catch a ship using this. I honestly believe it should be considered an exploit. Wow. If you guys can't catch BS, much less haulers doing this trick, you don't need to be pirating. Go mine in high sec. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
Feng Schui Minmatar The Ninja Coalition	Posted - 2008.02.07 04:46:00 - [7] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: Relah Something is wrong when we can't lock a battleship before it warps using this. It needs fixing. It would be a simple implementation, just give 2-5 seconds before cloak can be used after a mwd activation. Even doing our own tests, we got a recon's scan resolution up to 5000 and are still unable to catch a ship using this. I honestly believe it should be considered an exploit. Wow. If you guys can't catch BS, much less haulers doing this trick, you don't need to be pirating. Go mine in high sec. wtf is wrong with me... i agree with bellum Project: Gank - Solo Pilgrim Video
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.07 05:01:00 - [8] Edited by: Le Skunk on 07/02/2008 05:02:05 Edited by: Le Skunk on 07/02/2008 05:01:17 Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: Relah Something is wrong when we can't lock a battleship before it warps using this. It needs fixing. It would be a simple implementation, just give 2-5 seconds before cloak can be used after a mwd activation. Even doing our own tests, we got a recon's scan resolution up to 5000 and are still unable to catch a ship using this. I honestly believe it should be considered an exploit. Wow. If you guys can't catch BS, much less haulers doing this trick, you don't need to be pirating. Go mine in high sec. Pray enlighten us then, with your unbounded pirating knowledge? Originally by: Feng Schui wtf is wrong with me... i agree with bellum Or indeed you? SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.07 05:04:00 - [9] Originally by: Requiescat Originally by: Ursula LeGuinn ESPECIALLY with a MWD running (which increases the align time considerably). You are indeed missing something, MWD does not change align time at all. Easy solution, nano-discorokh. MWD, shield hardeners, speedfit. Get logistics spider tanking on the gate, sit the rokh where you'd normally put a discorokh, wait for some nub in a bs to try out the cloak trick and break your neck flying at him with bombs ablazing. Not even really necessary to get a point if you keep bumping. Hard but comical solution, everyone in the gatecamp rolls an alt and puts it in a shuttle orbiting the gate at 15k. Anything that gates in won't be able to cloak if there's a shuttle next to it. a) You wouldnt close the distance in time. b) smartbombs do not uncloak cloaked ships. SKUNK
HakanSherif Minmatar Invicta.	Posted - 2008.02.07 05:05:00 - [10] If you cant decloak a BS then u suck. So stop whining and start learning how to decloak ships. And speed does increase yr alligning time. Est Sularus oth Mithas
Boknamar Gallente The Knights Trevor	Posted - 2008.02.07 05:55:00 - [11] Originally by: Relah Something is wrong when we can't lock a battleship before it warps using this. It needs fixing. It would be a simple implementation, just give 2-5 seconds before cloak can be used after a mwd activation. Even doing our own tests, we got a recon's scan resolution up to 5000 and are still unable to catch a ship using this. I honestly believe it should be considered an exploit. A blockade runner can pull this off, but a battleship? CCP gave you engines for a reason, you know.
ceyriot Minmatar Crimson Rebellion	Posted - 2008.02.07 06:10:00 - [12] uhh....solution...dictor bubblespam? Sig removed. Political references are not permitted in signatures. If you would like further details please email [email protected]. ~Saint
delta phi Minmatar	Posted - 2008.02.07 06:38:00 - [13] hahahahahaha shoot first, shoot second, shoot some more.shoot anyone asking stupid f***ing questions.
Feng Schui Minmatar The Ninja Coalition	Posted - 2008.02.07 06:39:00 - [14] Originally by: Le Skunk Or indeed you? SKUNK 1) Mobile Large Warp Disruptor (30km bubble) 2) Set it up on the gate 3)When the cloaking BS warps in, he will need to go 15km to get outside the bubble 4) When a non-cloaking ship uses a cloak, he will get a speed reduction of around 50m/s (with MWD active). 5) He will appear on overview / in space for a brief second. Click on him, hit MWD, click approach. Your ship will align to him. 6) Go forward 7) Deploy Drones 8) ??? 9) Profit from lewtz. Project: Gank - Solo Pilgrim Video
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.02.07 07:44:00 - [15] Originally by: Feng Schui Originally by: Le Skunk Or indeed you? SKUNK 1) Mobile Large Warp Disruptor (30km bubble) 2) Set it up on the gate 3)When the cloaking BS warps in, he will need to go 15km to get outside the bubble 4) When a non-cloaking ship uses a cloak, he will get a speed reduction of around 50m/s (with MWD active). 5) He will appear on overview / in space for a brief second. Click on him, hit MWD, click approach. Your ship will align to him. 6) Go forward 7) Deploy Drones 8) ??? 9) Profit from lewtz. Wtf is wrong with me? I'm agreeing with Feng. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
Rajere No Trademark Notoriety Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.07 08:46:00 - [16] Quote: 1) Mobile Large Warp Disruptor (30km bubble) 2) Set it up on the gate 3)When the cloaking BS warps in, he will need to go 15km to get outside the bubble 4) When a non-cloaking ship uses a cloak, he will get a speed reduction of around 50m/s (with MWD active). 5) He will appear on overview / in space for a brief second. Click on him, hit MWD, click approach. Your ship will align to him. 6) Go forward 7) Deploy Drones 8) ??? 9) Profit from lewtz. As this is most likely low sec (I can only hope) the poster is referring to: 1) sit 1 day old newb scout in a shuttle on the gate 2) when cloaking battleship appears on your overview, decloak him with shuttle 3) bump as necessary until you figure out how to put points on the battleship 4) Profit
Xsag Caldari SPECTRE Ops	Posted - 2008.02.07 08:50:00 - [17] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: Relah Something is wrong when we can't lock a battleship before it warps using this. It needs fixing. It would be a simple implementation, just give 2-5 seconds before cloak can be used after a mwd activation. Even doing our own tests, we got a recon's scan resolution up to 5000 and are still unable to catch a ship using this. I honestly believe it should be considered an exploit. Wow. If you guys can't catch BS, much less haulers doing this trick, you don't need to be pirating. Go mine in high sec. signed! whiners go home! =) ~n00b of all trades~ ~if im posting on here its cos im in work~ ~Now with a face!~
Del Icious DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.02.07 09:09:00 - [18] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: Feng Schui Originally by: Le Skunk Or indeed you? SKUNK 1) Mobile Large Warp Disruptor (30km bubble) 2) Set it up on the gate blablabla Wtf is wrong with me? I'm agreeing with Feng. please switch your brains on guys. we are talking about lowsec. you can pass every (LOWSEC!!!) gatecamp by just - fit a MWD+CLOAK to your factino fitted CNR - after jump align, press mwd, cloak, decloak, instawarp - laugh at pirates in local - send roses to ccps headquarter ----- so delicious!
Joachim Kato Xenobytes	Posted - 2008.02.07 09:37:00 - [19] Originally by: HakanSherif If you cant decloak a BS then u suck. So stop whining and start learning how to decloak ships. And speed does increase yr alligning time. I have encountered that kinda situation the OP is talkin about and trust me, decloaking ain't an issue, the issue is that even after you decloak the vessel (BS in this particular situation) it won't allow you to lock it before the target warps out. Of course dictor bubbles solve the prob, but what if that's losec (and that's what the OP is talkin about I believe)? You all flamers and trolls might as well try to read into original post before trying to smack someone and call that person names - in the particular situation you CAN'T lock the target - you can press Ctrl+LMB for ever and it just WON'T allow you to lock before target has warped out and it DOESN'T matter whether you are flying interceptor or a battleship - you just won't manage to lock the target.
Algia Knightstorm	Posted - 2008.02.07 10:14:00 - [20] I don't do Lo-sec myself, so I'm unsure of the exact mechanics, but do Dictors not work in lo-sec?
Setana Manoro Gallente Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2008.02.07 10:33:00 - [21] Edited by: Setana Manoro on 07/02/2008 10:34:36 Originally by: Dianeces Gatecamps should not be PUSH BUTAN, RECEIVE KILLMAIL. Onoz, someone uses tactics and we can't just F1-F8, IT R EXPLOIT CCP!one!1 FFS, quit whining and use some tactics of your own. Eve rewards people who play smart, a little preparation in this case goes a long way towards solving your problem. Dude, Recons with 5000 sensor resolution is hardly normal and push button - kill. Not being able to lock something with 5000 sensor resolution that had a 1m isk investment is ... broken. If you feel that your arguments are better, why not post a way to catch them. If you fail, we laugh at your n00bishness. If you win, you laugh at our n00bishness. How about it ? Originally by: Algia Knightstorm I don't do Lo-sec myself, so I'm unsure of the exact mechanics, but do Dictors not work in lo-sec? You can use bubbles only in 0.0 or named 0.0. If you see an effect bubble like, it's from a heavy dictor, it doesn't act like a bubble, still a focused warp disruptor, but visual graphics are borked atm.
Setana Manoro Gallente Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2008.02.07 10:41:00 - [22] Edited by: Setana Manoro on 07/02/2008 10:43:08 Edited by: Setana Manoro on 07/02/2008 10:42:03 Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: Feng Schui Originally by: Le Skunk Or indeed you? SKUNK 1) Mobile Large Warp Disruptor (30km bubble) 2) Set it up on the gate 3)When the cloaking BS warps in, he will need to go 15km to get outside the bubble 4) When a non-cloaking ship uses a cloak, he will get a speed reduction of around 50m/s (with MWD active). 5) He will appear on overview / in space for a brief second. Click on him, hit MWD, click approach. Your ship will align to him. 6) Go forward 7) Deploy Drones 8) ??? 9) Profit from lewtz. Wtf is wrong with me? I'm agreeing with Feng. I was expecting both of you to be smarter than this. Yet i am constantly disspointed i see. Well, first of all you can't anchor bubbles in low-sec. Despite being both low-sec pirates, you DO NOT KNOW THIS, which really leaves me wondering what are you killing and where are you killing ? Maybe SISI ? Quote: 4) When a non-cloaking ship uses a cloak, he will get a speed reduction of around 50m/s (with MWD active). Wow, let me enlighten you of the game mechanics. Using a Proto cloak or a t2, gives a 90% or a 75% reduction in speed, it's just like a webb on your ship, but you also get to be unlockable. Quote: 5) He will appear on overview / in space for a brief second. Click on him, hit MWD, click approach. Your ship will align to him. A brief milisecond - if it's a second he is a noob, is not enough to even see where he is. Originally by: Requiescat Originally by: Ursula LeGuinn ESPECIALLY with a MWD running (which increases the align time considerably). You are indeed missing something, MWD does not change align time at all. Easy solution, nano-discorokh. MWD, shield hardeners, speedfit. Get logistics spider tanking on the gate, sit the rokh where you'd normally put a discorokh, wait for some nub in a bs to try out the cloak trick and break your neck flying at him with bombs ablazing. Not even really necessary to get a point if you keep bumping. Hard but comical solution, everyone in the gatecamp rolls an alt and puts it in a shuttle orbiting the gate at 15k. Anything that gates in won't be able to cloak if there's a shuttle next to it. Funny, you should try it sometimes. It does change align time.
Feng Schui Minmatar The Ninja Coalition	Posted - 2008.02.07 11:02:00 - [23] Originally by: Setana Manoro Well, first of all you can't anchor bubbles in low-sec. Despite being both low-sec pirates, you DO NOT KNOW THIS, which really leaves me wondering what are you killing and where are you killing ? Maybe SISI ? I'm pretty sure we all know this. Even if you do not have a bubble, aligning is going to be a pain in the ass, considering you have a cycle of the MWD going, and your speed is decreased. Quote: Wow, let me enlighten you of the game mechanics. Using a Proto cloak or a t2, gives a 90% or a 75% reduction in speed, it's just like a web on your ship, but you also get to be unlockable. Which would put their speed at around ~50m/s depending on the type of battleship (100-120 with MWD), unless its a nano-setup, which, why would you use a cloak on a nano-setup? Even when you uncloak to warp, you still have to gain speed to warp off. Quote: A brief millisecond - if it's a second he is a noob, is not enough to even see where he is. Plenty of time to click on him and approach, or even see where he is in space. Unless you're a complete noob and not paying attention. Quote: Funny, you should try it sometimes. It does change align time. True. ============ I wonder if you've ever ran into cloaking "non-cloakers" before? Doesn't seem like it. EFT warrior perhaps? Project: Gank - Solo Pilgrim Video
Sorted Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.07 11:59:00 - [24] Edited by: Sorted on 07/02/2008 12:02:29 The problem isnt that we didnt see them cloak, or that our tackler isnt fast enough. (As you cant lock something that is cloaking/cloaked.) Situation: The Target jumps into system, looks for the next gate, Begins to aling, while almost simulatiously hitting MWD and Cloak, the speed spikes - the cloak stops them from being locked and reduces the upper limit of speed. Soon as the alingment looks good, the cloak comes off and the target spams warp to 0. The upper speed doesnt adjust in time (target acts as webbed) and the warp off is instant. We cant use bubbles (as its low sec piracy not 0.0) Soluation: The only solution I have seen is sitting and inty in the camp with the very fast acceleration, hit the MWD so its running when the gate fires, watch from him on overview, double click (to approach) and hope that u get there before: A) he finishes cloaking b4 u get close, and u run the risk of not spotting him to carry on the approach. (Which stops when he cloaks)and then (B) happens B) he finishes his quick alingment, in teh case of nano/travel fir BS, or very very quick in the case of transports, or very very very very very very quick in the case of istab trasnports with the new nomad inplants and hits warp anyways. EDIT: Or teh inty does manage to decloak him, but the target is already mostly alinged and just needs to pick up speed to hit warp: Then the tackler has to catch him b4 he warps... wihtout the inty - (whos sole job is not to agress but to run for a decloak or bump - No agression) there isnt much chance of getting them, even the tavel fit BS can aling and be a warp out in just a few secs while being immue to locks (cloaked). At the end of the day resorting to bump tactics to catch pilots who employs this travel methord is the only counter I can think of; If ANY of you illustrious pirates can enlighten me with another viable option I would love to hear it. Sorted
Johan Lazarr Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.02.07 12:25:00 - [25] ummmm..., a cloak is meant to protect you from being spotted, locked, or shot at. cant see an exploit in this. its clever use of game mechanics. also there IS a quite simple solution to this that will even work in a quitereasonable percentage of sitiations: use 2 intys ( even one would do, but the more, the higher the chances, best have your hole camp do this ) to follow him, after a couple jumps one will be incidentally right next to him and he wont be able to cloak at all. the 20 alts in shuttles orbiting gate is actually a quite nice idea aswell, you dont even need alts. just 20 ships all around the gate at 15km will cover quite some spots. the mwd+cloak thing is not a 100% solution, just think a little and stop whining about someone outsmarting you. have fun! _______________________________________ Sartre was a bum ;)
Sorted Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.07 12:32:00 - [26] Originally by: Johan Lazarr ummmm..., a cloak is meant to protect you from being spotted, locked, or shot at. cant see an exploit in this. its clever use of game mechanics. also there IS a quite simple solution to this that will even work in a quitereasonable percentage of sitiations: use 2 intys ( even one would do, but the more, the higher the chances, best have your hole camp do this ) to follow him, after a couple jumps one will be incidentally right next to him and he wont be able to cloak at all. the 20 alts in shuttles orbiting gate is actually a quite nice idea aswell, you dont even need alts. just 20 ships all around the gate at 15km will cover quite some spots. the mwd+cloak thing is not a 100% solution, just think a little and stop whining about someone outsmarting you. have fun! AFAIK Littlering the gates/stations with shuttles (or before the patch cans) is an exploit, But GM clarification wouldnt hurt. If you tail him with inties/gang he will warp to station and dock. Aside from the dubious shuttle spam or follow him and hope methord - got any other ideas?
Mulletstation Havoc Inc Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.02.07 12:33:00 - [27] Just out of curiosity: Why the heck have you gimped your gang so much with remote sensor boosters just to bring a recon to 5000 scan res? It's not like you'll notice any real difference between 2000 and 5000. At least not vs anything larger than a pod. And if you're trying to lock a ship that has already initiated cloak (but hasn't disappeared yet as it takes 5 sec), you won't be able to lock it regardless of your scan res.
Agent Li Caldari Galactic Defence Consortium BLACKHAWK FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.02.07 12:37:00 - [28] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Wow. If you guys can't catch BS, much less haulers doing this trick, you don't need to be pirating. Go mine in high sec. QFT... ------------------ Let me show you around. That's my lab table, and this is my workstool. And over there is my intergalactic spaceship. And here's where I keep assorted lengths of wire.
Technix Gallente DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.07 12:49:00 - [29] Doing this.. you also have to wait till your MWD cycles. SO... that is 10 seconds or so that you have to decloak a friggin BS.. before he can uncloak to insta warp. Try not failing at EVE.
Johan Lazarr Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.02.07 12:50:00 - [30] Originally by: Sorted AFAIK Littlering the gates/stations with shuttles (or before the patch cans) is an exploit, But GM clarification wouldnt hurt. If you tail him with inties/gang he will warp to station and dock. Aside from the dubious shuttle spam or follow him and hope methord - got any other ideas? well, you can always increase the gatecamps size, with combat ships that simply all sit or orbit at 15km to increase chances. a ship equipped to avoid a gatecamp is hard to catch, and should be, and yes, you can use almost any kind of ship as a blockade runner, like a bc fitted to fly 5km/s, you would hardly get him either unless hes in webrange to start with and you react fast. so you really have to put some effort to it. Also, when he docks you can still camp him, and follow till ya get him, chances are there, they arent good, but in my humble opinion its not meant to be easy to catch someone whos specific target is not to be catched. _______________________________________ Sartre was a bum ;)

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