Originally by: Ursula LeGuinn

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ESPECIALLY with a MWD running (which increases the align time considerably).

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Originally by: Relah

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Something is wrong when we can't lock a battleship before it warps using this. It needs fixing. It would be a simple implementation, just give 2-5 seconds before cloak can be used after a mwd activation.

Even doing our own tests, we got a recon's scan resolution up to 5000 and are still unable to catch a ship using this. I honestly believe it should be considered an exploit.

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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Originally by: Relah

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Something is wrong when we can't lock a battleship before it warps using this. It needs fixing. It would be a simple implementation, just give 2-5 seconds before cloak can be used after a mwd activation.

Even doing our own tests, we got a recon's scan resolution up to 5000 and are still unable to catch a ship using this. I honestly believe it should be considered an exploit.

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Wow. If you guys can't catch BS, much less haulers doing this trick, you don't need to be pirating. Go mine in high sec.

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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Originally by: Relah

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Something is wrong when we can't lock a battleship before it warps using this. It needs fixing. It would be a simple implementation, just give 2-5 seconds before cloak can be used after a mwd activation.

Even doing our own tests, we got a recon's scan resolution up to 5000 and are still unable to catch a ship using this. I honestly believe it should be considered an exploit.

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Wow. If you guys can't catch BS, much less haulers doing this trick, you don't need to be pirating. Go mine in high sec.

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Originally by: Feng Schui

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wtf is wrong with me... i agree with bellum

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Originally by: Requiescat

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Originally by: Ursula LeGuinn

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ESPECIALLY with a MWD running (which increases the align time considerably).

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You are indeed missing something, MWD does not change align time at all.

Easy solution, nano-discorokh. MWD, shield hardeners, speedfit. Get logistics spider tanking on the gate, sit the rokh where you'd normally put a discorokh, wait for some nub in a bs to try out the cloak trick and break your neck flying at him with bombs ablazing. Not even really necessary to get a point if you keep bumping.

Hard but comical solution, everyone in the gatecamp rolls an alt and puts it in a shuttle orbiting the gate at 15k. Anything that gates in won't be able to cloak if there's a shuttle next to it.

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Originally by: Relah

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Something is wrong when we can't lock a battleship before it warps using this. It needs fixing. It would be a simple implementation, just give 2-5 seconds before cloak can be used after a mwd activation.

Even doing our own tests, we got a recon's scan resolution up to 5000 and are still unable to catch a ship using this. I honestly believe it should be considered an exploit.

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Or indeed you?

SKUNK

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Originally by: Feng Schui

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Or indeed you?

SKUNK

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1) Mobile Large Warp Disruptor (30km bubble)

2) Set it up on the gate

3)When the cloaking BS warps in, he will need to go 15km to get outside the bubble

4) When a non-cloaking ship uses a cloak, he will get a speed reduction of around 50m/s (with MWD active).

5) He will appear on overview / in space for a brief second. Click on him, hit MWD, click approach. Your ship will align to him.

6) Go forward

7) Deploy Drones

8) ???

9) Profit from lewtz.

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1) Mobile Large Warp Disruptor (30km bubble)

2) Set it up on the gate

3)When the cloaking BS warps in, he will need to go 15km to get outside the bubble

4) When a non-cloaking ship uses a cloak, he will get a speed reduction of around 50m/s (with MWD active).

5) He will appear on overview / in space for a brief second. Click on him, hit MWD, click approach. Your ship will align to him.

6) Go forward

7) Deploy Drones

8) ???

9) Profit from lewtz.

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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Originally by: Relah

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Something is wrong when we can't lock a battleship before it warps using this. It needs fixing. It would be a simple implementation, just give 2-5 seconds before cloak can be used after a mwd activation.

Even doing our own tests, we got a recon's scan resolution up to 5000 and are still unable to catch a ship using this. I honestly believe it should be considered an exploit.

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Wow. If you guys can't catch BS, much less haulers doing this trick, you don't need to be pirating. Go mine in high sec.

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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Originally by: Feng Schui

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Or indeed you?

SKUNK

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1) Mobile Large Warp Disruptor (30km bubble)

2) Set it up on the gate

blablabla

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Wtf is wrong with me? I'm agreeing with Feng.

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Originally by: HakanSherif

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If you cant decloak a BS then u suck. So stop whining and start learning how to decloak ships. And speed does increase yr alligning time.

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Originally by: Dianeces

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Gatecamps should not be PUSH BUTAN, RECEIVE KILLMAIL.

Onoz, someone uses tactics and we can't just F1-F8, IT R EXPLOIT CCP!one!1 FFS, quit whining and use some tactics of your own. Eve rewards people who play smart, a little preparation in this case goes a long way towards solving your problem.

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Originally by: Algia Knightstorm

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I don't do Lo-sec myself, so I'm unsure of the exact mechanics, but do Dictors not work in lo-sec?

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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Originally by: Feng Schui

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Or indeed you?

SKUNK

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1) Mobile Large Warp Disruptor (30km bubble)

2) Set it up on the gate

3)When the cloaking BS warps in, he will need to go 15km to get outside the bubble

4) When a non-cloaking ship uses a cloak, he will get a speed reduction of around 50m/s (with MWD active).

5) He will appear on overview / in space for a brief second. Click on him, hit MWD, click approach. Your ship will align to him.

6) Go forward

7) Deploy Drones

8) ???

9) Profit from lewtz.

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Wtf is wrong with me? I'm agreeing with Feng.

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4) When a non-cloaking ship uses a cloak, he will get a speed reduction of around 50m/s (with MWD active).

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5) He will appear on overview / in space for a brief second. Click on him, hit MWD, click approach. Your ship will align to him.

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Originally by: Requiescat

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Originally by: Ursula LeGuinn

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ESPECIALLY with a MWD running (which increases the align time considerably).

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You are indeed missing something, MWD does not change align time at all.

Easy solution, nano-discorokh. MWD, shield hardeners, speedfit. Get logistics spider tanking on the gate, sit the rokh where you'd normally put a discorokh, wait for some nub in a bs to try out the cloak trick and break your neck flying at him with bombs ablazing. Not even really necessary to get a point if you keep bumping.

Hard but comical solution, everyone in the gatecamp rolls an alt and puts it in a shuttle orbiting the gate at 15k. Anything that gates in won't be able to cloak if there's a shuttle next to it.

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Originally by: Setana Manoro

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Well, first of all you can't anchor bubbles in low-sec. Despite being both low-sec pirates, you DO NOT KNOW THIS, which really leaves me wondering what are you killing and where are you killing ?
Maybe SISI ?

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Wow, let me enlighten you of the game mechanics. Using a Proto cloak or a t2, gives a 90% or a 75% reduction in speed, it's just like a web on your ship, but you also get to be unlockable.

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A brief millisecond - if it's a second he is a noob, is not enough to even see where he is.

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Funny, you should try it sometimes. It does change align time.

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Originally by: Johan Lazarr

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ummmm..., a cloak is meant to protect you from being spotted, locked, or shot at.
cant see an exploit in this. its clever use of game mechanics.

also there IS a quite simple solution to this that will even work in a quitereasonable percentage of sitiations:
use 2 intys ( even one would do, but the more, the higher the chances, best have your hole camp do this ) to follow him, after a couple jumps one will be incidentally right next to him and he wont be able to cloak at all.

the 20 alts in shuttles orbiting gate is actually a quite nice idea aswell, you dont even need alts. just 20 ships all around the gate at 15km will cover quite some spots.

the mwd+cloak thing is not a 100% solution, just think a little and stop whining about someone outsmarting you.

have fun!

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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Wow. If you guys can't catch BS, much less haulers doing this trick, you don't need to be pirating. Go mine in high sec.

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Originally by: Sorted

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AFAIK Littlering the gates/stations with shuttles (or before the patch cans) is an exploit, But GM clarification wouldnt hurt.

If you tail him with inties/gang he will warp to station and dock.

Aside from the dubious shuttle spam or follow him and hope methord - got any other ideas?

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Originally by: Technix

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Doing this.. you also have to wait till your MWD cycles. SO... that is 10 seconds or so that you have to decloak a friggin BS.. before he can uncloak to insta warp.

Try not failing at EVE.

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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Originally by: Feng Schui

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Or indeed you?

SKUNK

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1) Mobile Large Warp Disruptor (30km bubble)

2) Set it up on the gate

3)When the cloaking BS warps in, he will need to go 15km to get outside the bubble

4) When a non-cloaking ship uses a cloak, he will get a speed reduction of around 50m/s (with MWD active).

5) He will appear on overview / in space for a brief second. Click on him, hit MWD, click approach. Your ship will align to him.

6) Go forward

7) Deploy Drones

8) ???

9) Profit from lewtz.

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Wtf is wrong with me? I'm agreeing with Feng.

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Originally by: Setana Manoro

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Dude, Recons with 5000 sensor resolution is hardly normal and push button - kill.
Not being able to lock something with 5000 sensor resolution that had a 1m isk investment is ... broken.

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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Wtf is wrong with me? I'm agreeing with Feng.

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Originally by: abbagabba

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Originally by: Setana Manoro

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Dude, Recons with 5000 sensor resolution is hardly normal and push button - kill.
Not being able to lock something with 5000 sensor resolution that had a 1m isk investment is ... broken.

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Recons with 5000 scan res! A lachesis maxes out at about 2300, what are you flying?

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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Wtf is wrong with me? I'm agreeing with Feng.

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Congratulations for agreeing with a total idiot then.

SKUNK

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Originally by: Rajere

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1) It takes 10 seconds for the MWD to shut off for this trick to work

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Originally by: SirMoric

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First of all, doublepost.

Second, I didn't know you could do that, thanks for telling me.

Third, lol.

fourth, rgds.

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Originally by: Rajere

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OP and anyone who thinks the OP is right, please please please bring your travel fit BS's to our neck of low sec. faction fit CNRs please.

The solution I've already provided is simple:
1) sit 1 day old newb scout in a shuttle on the gate
2) when cloaking battleship appears on your overview, decloak him with shuttle
3) bump as necessary until you figure out how to put points on the battleship
4) Profit

What the OP is referring to, is that once you hit MWD then cloak, you will still accelerate, and you're using the time cloaked to align to your destination. Once your MWD finishes it's cycle assuming you decloak at the correct moment so you can warp, your top speed plummets to its base speed which is higher than the speed necessary to initiate warp, so they instantly go into warp. This is what transport ships have been doing for years and the reason why they are so survivable in low sec.

What the OP Fails to realize is this:

1) It takes 10 seconds for the MWD to shut off for this trick to work
2) Battleships take far longer to align than say, a prowler
3) You can keep a battleship bumped out of alignment until downtime, preventing them from ever warping, regardless of any tricks such as this to evade low sec ganks.

Shuttles do the trick, or inty/frigates who are smart enough to know they're not supposed to lock the target, just decloak and bump them. You have time to call in friends from several systems away to actually land, lock, and put points on them. They aren't going anywhere.

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Please tell me where do you camp. And ill be heading that way in an exploiting BS with my alt with bpos in the carghold.

SKUNK

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Exploits

An exploit is when someone bypasses normal game mechanics, such as by utilizing a bug in the game, allowing him to take advantage of other players without them having any means of preventing it whatsoever. When this occurs, we implore you to contact your friendly neighbourhood GM as soon as possible so that they can investigate the incident, prevent it from happening to anyone else, and possibly reimburse you for your loss: While in the game, select the "Help" function from your NeoCom. Press the "Petitions" button, then "New Petitions". Select the "exploit" category and press "Ok", then write as detailed a description as you can, including if possible the exact circumstances under which the cheat or exploit can be reproduced, and whether you know of any players who have been taking advantage of it.

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Originally by: Twilight Mourning

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Please tell me where do you camp. And ill be heading that way in an exploiting BS with my alt with bpos in the carghold.

SKUNK

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Exploits

An exploit is when someone bypasses normal game mechanics, such as by utilizing a bug in the game, allowing him to take advantage of other players without them having any means of preventing it whatsoever. When this occurs, we implore you to contact your friendly neighbourhood GM as soon as possible so that they can investigate the incident, prevent it from happening to anyone else, and possibly reimburse you for your loss: While in the game, select the "Help" function from your NeoCom. Press the "Petitions" button, then "New Petitions". Select the "exploit" category and press "Ok", then write as detailed a description as you can, including if possible the exact circumstances under which the cheat or exploit can be reproduced, and whether you know of any players who have been taking advantage of it.

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This is a working game mechanic. There are ways around it. Just because you can't figure them out doesn't m

ean it is an exploit. It just means you fail.

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Originally by: Technix

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Doing this.. you also have to wait till your MWD cycles. SO... that is 10 seconds or so that you have to decloak a friggin BS.. before he can uncloak to insta warp.

Try not failing at EVE.

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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I prefer this thread out of the two actually as up unitll recently its troll count was lower.
SKUNK

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Originally by: CCP Mitnal

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Forum gods ANGRY.

Need sacrifice.

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Originally by: hellsknights

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It's always nice to kill something you can't afford

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Originally by: ceyriot

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uhh....solution...dictor bubblespam?

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Originally by: Ariel Dawn

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instead of inane clowns.

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Originally by: Van'Klomp

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Perfect, another thread about this.
Now all the new pilots who wanted to take there BS into lowsec know how to. Well done, keep spreading the info chaps.

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Originally by: Ariel Dawn

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Originally by: Technix

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Doing this.. you also have to wait till your MWD cycles. SO... that is 10 seconds or so that you have to decloak a friggin BS.. before he can uncloak to insta warp.

Try not failing at EVE.

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God these forums are a fine example of human excrement. People are flaming without even knowing what the OP is talking about. Just imagine the discussions we could have if people posted like humans instead of inane clowns.

There is really no way to counter this sans-bubble. Uncloaking the ship within 10 seconds is next to impossible due to client/server lag, accelerating to speed, delay in the locking command, etc. I'm sure YOU can do it because you are so 1337, but its almost impossible to do with any sort of reliability.

CCP is highly unlikely to look into this though, whilst it may be rarely used it does promote movement and activity through low-sec/0.0 in situations with no bubbles. Spreading out and releasing drones on jump ins momentarily is probably the only way to tackle them escaping. Cans, corpses, wrecks may help out as well (as long as there aren't enough to warrant a petition for intentional lag creation).

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Originally by: Sorted

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Edited by: Sorted on 07/02/2008 12:02:29
The problem isnt that we didnt see them cloak, or that our tackler isnt fast enough. (As you cant lock something that is cloaking/cloaked.)

Situation:
The Target jumps into system, looks for the next gate, Begins to aling, while almost simulatiously hitting MWD and Cloak, the speed spikes - the cloak stops them from being locked and reduces the upper limit of speed. Soon as the alingment looks good, the cloak comes off and the target spams warp to 0. The upper speed doesnt adjust in time (target acts as webbed) and the warp off is instant.

We cant use bubbles (as its low sec piracy not 0.0)

Soluation:
The only solution I have seen is sitting and inty in the camp with the very fast acceleration, hit the MWD so its running when the gate fires, watch from him on overview, double click (to approach) and hope that u get there before:
A) he finishes cloaking b4 u get close, and u run the risk of not spotting him to carry on the approach. (Which stops when he cloaks)and then (B) happens
B) he finishes his quick alingment, in teh case of nano/travel fir BS, or very very quick in the case of transports, or very very very very very very quick in the case of istab trasnports with the new nomad inplants and hits warp anyways.

EDIT: Or teh inty does manage to decloak him, but the target is already mostly alinged and just needs to pick up speed to hit warp: Then the tackler has to catch him b4 he warps...

wihtout the inty - (whos sole job is not to agress but to run for a decloak or bump - No agression) there isnt much chance of getting them, even the tavel fit BS can aling and be a warp out in just a few secs while being immue to locks (cloaked).


At the end of the day resorting to bump tactics to catch pilots who employs this travel methord is the only counter I can think of;
If ANY of you illustrious pirates can enlighten me with another viable option I would love to hear it.

Sorted

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Originally by: Praxis1452

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you win eve

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Originally by: Frances Ducoir

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Edited by: Frances Ducoir on 08/02/2008 10:43:58
pirates crying because they have to use their head once in a while... thats just hilarious... gb2wow?

gatecamping is lame-ass-tactics anyway so adapt or stfu


btw i remember reading a statement from ccp that said they want to move pvp away from gates and into the systems (belts)... this was when WTZ was introduced. the reason why this is not working is because ppl are still camping the outgoing sides of the gates. i hope there will be a nerf to this so pvp could take place where it should.

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Originally by: Stephannus Calimben

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we've caught people using this trick with a sensor-boosted-up-the-ass interceptor. interceptor doesnt engage, just locks (so that they can't cloak).

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Originally by: Ranger802004

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why don't you move to 0.0 and use an interdictor :) problem solved!

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Originally by: P'uck

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but yeah... "cloak-speedreduction-lag" to do it definetly reeks of exploit.
and thanks for telling... finally. you *****es. exploiting that **** and keeping it all to yourself. you guys suck ass.

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Originally by: Sorted

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Originally by: Rajere

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1) It takes 10 seconds for the MWD to shut off for this trick to work

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This is incorrect. although the cycle time is correct the insta warp once alinged is still possible while the MWD is turning off.

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metal dude [052506] You people canÆt dictate to others not to have an opinion on public topics.

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Originally by: Sorted

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Originally by: Technix

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Doing this.. you also have to wait till your MWD cycles. SO... that is 10 seconds or so that you have to decloak a friggin BS.. before he can uncloak to insta warp.

Try not failing at EVE.

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wrong.

try not commenting when you are clearly clueless.

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Originally by: Astradamus

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I tried that trick yesterday with my afrig and i have to say i didn't
manage to instawarp anytime. Maybe it's easier with a BS and its slower
acc/deacc time. Anyway, it needs for sure good time/practice as well as
a little bit of luck.
Compared to the WCS nerf brought by HICs, it's neglectable. Honestly, i've
never heard of it nor seen it until yet. (thx btw)

Astradamus

P.S.: Defining lowsec gatecamping as the only viable way to pvp in lowsec is
... at least questionable.

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Originally by: Begottenotmade

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...pubbies ..pubbies

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Originally by: Begottenotmade

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...pubbies ..pubbies

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Isnt that a goon thing?

SKUNK

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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The options for pvp in lowsec.

At a gate (traffic has to pass through, ccp designed bottleneck, no instant redock, occasional gang fight as people are forced to fight)

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At a station (insta redock in most stations)

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In a belt (killing the occasional noob in a mining cruiser)

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Probing out missions (not bad but time consuming, easily avoidable, and consist soley of 5 on 1 ganks)

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As you can see, gatecamping is pretty much thte only viable way of pvp in lowsec.

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Originally by: Begottenotmade

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Originally by: Begottenotmade

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...pubbies ..pubbies

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Isnt that a goon thing?

SKUNK

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Isn't he long winded whining a carebear thing?

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Originally by: CCP Mitnal

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Forum gods ANGRY.

Need sacrifice.

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Originally by: hellsknights

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It's always nice to kill something you can't afford

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Originally by: Mochalatte

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Originally by: Sorted

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Originally by: Rajere

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1) It takes 10 seconds for the MWD to shut off for this trick to work

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This is incorrect. although the cycle time is correct the insta warp once alinged is still possible while the MWD is turning off.

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NO you ******* moron..MWD oof for warp speed to be there due to cloak affect on speed.GET A CLUE!!!

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Originally by: Terazuk

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So far all I've seen in this thread is pure silliness...

Any reasonably on the ball gate camper is going to manage to bump a cloaked BS attempting this trick. the counter technique is really very, very simple.

1. Click target on overview before cloakage.
2. Click approach
3. Activate MWD (If you haven't already)
4. Deploy drones
5. Bump/De-Cloak
6. Profit???

Seriously, if you camp a gate, pay attention to your surroundings.

Pro tip for ya: When the gate you are watching flashes and makes a funny sound it means someone has just come through... You can even check the local channel and you may even notice that there is one extra person in local ...Be ready to act!

Using this technique will rarely bag a covert-ops, occasionally you may get a Force Recon but it will get a cloaky BS 9 times out of 10.

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Originally by: CCP Mitnal

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Forum gods ANGRY.

Need sacrifice.

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Originally by: hellsknights

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It's always nice to kill something you can't afford

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Originally by: Terazuk

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So far all I've seen in this thread is pure silliness...

Any reasonably on the ball gate camper is going to manage to bump a cloaked BS attempting this trick. the counter technique is really very, very simple.

1. Click target on overview before cloakage.
2. Click approach
3. Activate MWD (If you haven't already)
4. Deploy drones
5. Bump/De-Cloak
6. Profit???

Seriously, if you camp a gate, pay attention to your surroundings.

Pro tip for ya: When the gate you are watching flashes and makes a funny sound it means someone has just come through... You can even check the local channel and you may even notice that there is one extra person in local ...Be ready to act!

Using this technique will rarely bag a covert-ops, occasionally you may get a Force Recon but it will get a cloaky BS 9 times out of 10.

If you are set on camping lo-sec gates be prepared for the possibilty that the target will do pretty much anything to escape your clutches. They may even be as low as to fit WCS, curse their blighted souls!

If all else fails... You could always ask them politely to stay still and turn off their tank/cloak while you shoot them.

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Originally by: Captain Thunk

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Originally by: Mochalatte

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Originally by: Sorted

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Originally by: Rajere

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1) It takes 10 seconds for the MWD to shut off for this trick to work

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This is incorrect. although the cycle time is correct the insta warp once alinged is still possible while the MWD is turning off.

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NO you ******* moron..MWD oof for warp speed to be there due to cloak affect on speed.GET A CLUE!!!

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You sound really angry. You must be a cool guy carrying around the burden of a great wealth of information about the game.

However, MWD penalises speed by 90% (prototype cloak) and the top speed will be falling to the new top speed because of the initial thrust. If you've ever webbed anybody before warp scramming them, which it's sounding like you haven't, you'd know that warp engages when you reach the threshold percentage of your top speed and are aligned. So, if you're required speed to warp is 15m/s and you're doing 100m/s yet slowing and aligned you will insta warp.

This is the whole point of the cloak/MWD trick and (ab)uses game mechanics in a way that clearly CCP never intended.

Not sure why other people are talking about remote sensor boosted Inty's and all the rest to get him when all it will achieve is the discovery that the guy in question is wearing WCS as well.

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Originally by: Tal Nok

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Your pro tip is about as dull as being forced to listen to two deaf people argue about politics. Please don't act pro or as a SERIOUS player (hah, I'll never let that one go) because I'll point and laugh, and that hurts peoples feelings. Who are you anyway?

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Originally by: Terazuk

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[sarcasm]Seriously, if you camp a gate, pay attention to your surroundings.

Pro tip for ya: When the gate you are watching flashes and makes a funny sound it means someone has just come through... You can even check the local channel and you may even notice that there is one extra person in local ...Be ready to act![/sarcasm]

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Originally by: Begottenotmade

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Originally by: Begottenotmade

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...pubbies ..pubbies

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Isnt that a goon thing?

SKUNK

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Isn't he long winded whining a carebear thing?

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1) Learn english
2) Stop trolling
3) Stop using pubbie

SKUNK

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Originally by: Terazuk

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Edited by: Terazuk on 08/02/2008 16:06:29

Originally by: Tal Nok

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Your pro tip is about as dull as being forced to listen to two deaf people argue about politics. Please don't act pro or as a SERIOUS player (hah, I'll never let that one go) because I'll point and laugh, and that hurts peoples feelings. Who are you anyway?

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Originally by: Terazuk

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[sarcasm]
Pro tip for ya: When the gate you are watching flashes and makes a funny sound it means someone has just come through... You can even check the local channel and you may even notice that there is one extra person in local ...Be ready to act!
[/sarcasm]

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Fixed for ya

[Edit]:
Just because you lack the skill to do it doesn't mean others can't.

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Originally by: Begottenotmade

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Originally by: Begottenotmade

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Originally by: Begottenotmade

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...pubbies ..pubbies

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Isnt that a goon thing?

SKUNK

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Isn't he long winded whining a carebear thing?

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1) Learn english
2) Stop trolling
3) Stop using pubbie

SKUNK

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1) Learn english? (isnt) Clean up your own back yard cool guy.
2) Trolling? I'm posting in thread I want to, because of pirates whining that they can't half afk camp gates n gank noobie missioners.(you fail even having to whine about this)
3) Stop crying about carebears out smarting you.

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Originally by: Terazuk

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[Edit]:
Just because you lack the skill to do it doesn't mean others can't.

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Originally by: CCP Mitnal

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Forum gods ANGRY.

Need sacrifice.

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Originally by: hellsknights

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It's always nice to kill something you can't afford

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Originally by: Tal Nok

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Originally by: Terazuk

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[Edit]:
Just because you lack the skill to do it doesn't mean others can't.

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Give me a video of you catching the perfected MWD+cloak ship in low sec.


Otherwise your posts lack content.

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Originally by: Begottenotmade

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Originally by: Begottenotmade

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Originally by: Begottenotmade

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...pubbies ..pubbies

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Isnt that a goon thing?

SKUNK

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Isn't he long winded whining a carebear thing?

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1) Learn english
2) Stop trolling
3) Stop using pubbie

SKUNK

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1) Learn english? (isnt) Clean up your own back yard cool guy.
2) Trolling? I'm posting in thread I want to, because of pirates whining that they can't half afk camp gates n gank noobie missioners.(you fail even having to whine about this)
3) Stop crying about carebears out smarting you.

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No post introduction to thread nothing know you about. Tech!

SKUNK

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Originally by: Relah

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Something is wrong when we can't lock a battleship before it warps using this. It needs fixing. It would be a simple implementation, just give 2-5 seconds before cloak can be used after a mwd activation.

Even doing our own tests, we got a recon's scan resolution up to 5000 and are still unable to catch a ship using this. I honestly believe it should be considered an exploit.

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Originally by: Terazuk

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So far all I've seen in this thread is pure silliness...

Any reasonably on the ball gate camper is going to manage to bump a cloaked BS attempting this trick. the counter technique is really very, very simple.

1. Click target on overview before cloakage.
2. Click approach
3. Activate MWD (If you haven't already)
4. Deploy drones
5. Bump/De-Cloak
6. Profit???

Seriously, if you camp a gate, pay attention to your surroundings.

Pro tip for ya: When the gate you are watching flashes and makes a funny sound it means someone has just come through... You can even check the local channel and you may even notice that there is one extra person in local ...Be ready to act!

Using this technique will rarely bag a covert-ops, occasionally you may get a Force Recon but it will get a cloaky BS 9 times out of 10.

If you are set on camping lo-sec gates be prepared for the possibilty that the target will do pretty much anything to escape your clutches. They may even be as low as to fit WCS, curse their blighted souls!

If all else fails... You could always ask them politely to stay still and turn off their tank/cloak while you shoot them.

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Originally by: Agent Li

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Originally by: Terazuk

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So far all I've seen in this thread is pure silliness...

Any reasonably on the ball gate camper is going to manage to bump a cloaked BS attempting this trick. the counter technique is really very, very simple.

1. Click target on overview before cloakage.
2. Click approach
3. Activate MWD (If you haven't already)
4. Deploy drones
5. Bump/De-Cloak
6. Profit???

Seriously, if you camp a gate, pay attention to your surroundings.

Pro tip for ya: When the gate you are watching flashes and makes a funny sound it means someone has just come through... You can even check the local channel and you may even notice that there is one extra person in local ...Be ready to act!

Using this technique will rarely bag a covert-ops, occasionally you may get a Force Recon but it will get a cloaky BS 9 times out of 10.

If you are set on camping lo-sec gates be prepared for the possibilty that the target will do pretty much anything to escape your clutches. They may even be as low as to fit WCS, curse their blighted souls!

If all else fails... You could always ask them politely to stay still and turn off their tank/cloak while you shoot them.

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I regularly fly a Crane fitted specifically to run gate camps in low sec. And 99% of the time, I get through. Not because I am uber, or that the ship is uber, or that the techniques to catch me are so hard...

it's because most gate campers in low sec are not attentive enough, and not flying the right fit for their little gang of campers.

I have been easily popped by comptetent low sec gate camps - but they are few and far between. Each time I've been popped, I convo in game that they were highly skilled - and I salute their competency. It's actually refreshing to see competency.

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Originally by: Relah

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Something is wrong when we can't lock a battleship before it warps using this. It needs fixing. It would be a simple implementation, just give 2-5 seconds before cloak can be used after a mwd activation.

Even doing our own tests, we got a recon's scan resolution up to 5000 and are still unable to catch a ship using this. I honestly believe it should be considered an exploit.

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Originally by: Agent Li

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it's because most gate campers in low sec are not attentive enough, and not flying the right fit for their little gang of campers.

I have been easily popped by comptetent low sec gate camps - but they are few and far between. Each time I've been popped, I convo in game that they were highly skilled - and I salute their competency. It's actually refreshing to see competency.

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Originally by: milinkoee

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Just use a ceptor to decloak them before their MWD cycle finishes. Just because he has learned to properly avoid unprepared gate camps doesn't mean you should come running to the forums for a nerf. Learn to run a gate camp better.

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Originally by: milinkoee

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Just use a ceptor to decloak them before their MWD cycle finishes. Just because he has learned to properly avoid unprepared gate camps doesn't mean you should come running to the forums for a nerf. Learn to run a gate camp better.

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Originally by: CCP Mitnal

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Forum gods ANGRY.

Need sacrifice.

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Originally by: hellsknights

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It's always nice to kill something you can't afford

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Attentive enough in that the pirates are on the gate before the ship jumps. CHECK
Flying the right fits. HIC, 2300 scan res LAchesis, Huggin, remote reps, battlship support. CHECK

SKUNK

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Originally by: Shigsy

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Some people are really clueless.

This trick has been around a while, but fortunatly, it is not well known, until now. Why did this thread have to be made

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Originally by: Shigsy

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Some people are really clueless.

This trick has been around a while, but fortunatly, it is not well known, until now. Why did this thread have to be made

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These threads have been popping up more and more regulaly over the past couple of months. Another two of them posted this week.

If its a borked game mechanic (which most people say it is) then its a borked game mechanic whetehr 100 people are doing it or 10000. I enocurage everyone to use it.

It costs you 1 million isk
It only takes 1 or 2 slots from a full combat fit BS.
Its 99% effective
It enables you to travel unscouted thoguh low sec at will.
It will allow one of the slowest and bulkiest ships in the game to warp like an interceptor and confound a gate camp of 10 ships.

The more this is abused, the quicker CCP will have to look at it and implement one of a couple of very easy fixes.

SKUNK

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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If its a borked game mechanic (which most people say it is) then its a borked game mechanic whetehr 100 people are doing it or 10000. I enocurage everyone to use it.

SKUNK

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Originally by: Night Tripper

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it's a little amusing to see farmers whining about this.

it's not 100% fool proof, and a well balanced gate camp can counter it.

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Originally by: Xlover

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Hence people borking this method and dying.

Done it many many times.SAME WAY.So go back to talking about BOB yet shooting the goons.

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Originally by: Del Icious

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please switch your brains on guys. we are talking about lowsec.

you can pass every (LOWSEC!!!) gatecamp by just
- fit a MWD+CLOAK to your factino fitted CNR
- after jump align, press mwd, cloak, decloak, instawarp
- laugh at pirates in local
- send roses to ccps headquarter

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Originally by: sbreach

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I'm speculating the damage from a smart bomb should decloak a ship? I cannot be sure but i assume it does. so if it isnt please correct me. But it could be possible to place 4-6 or so smart bombing BS so when they try to cloak the smart hits em and they decloak, assuming damage from smart bombs do decloak. as an added bonus, any shuttle filled with delicious bpo's incoming to your gate gets instant popped. and possible any hauler which is unprepared. Still this is assuming smartbombs blast radius does remove cloak. However its still likely the speed drop from the cloak will initially already be enough. and hoping they are slow in align could be the only chance.

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Originally by: Slave 775

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Smartbombs wont decloak a ship which uses a cloaking device.
Dont know what happens if your still cloaked from the gate.

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Originally by: Mochalatte

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Originally by: Sorted

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Originally by: Rajere

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1) It takes 10 seconds for the MWD to shut off for this trick to work

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This is incorrect. although the cycle time is correct the insta warp once alinged is still possible while the MWD is turning off.

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NO you ******* moron..MWD oof for warp speed to be there due to cloak affect on speed.GET A CLUE!!!

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Originally by: Begottenotmade

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Originally by: Sorted

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Originally by: Technix

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Doing this.. you also have to wait till your MWD cycles. SO... that is 10 seconds or so that you have to decloak a friggin BS.. before he can uncloak to insta warp.

Try not failing at EVE.

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wrong.

try not commenting when you are clearly clueless.

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Try even having an idea of what you cry about, before you throw your fit.The MWD cycle has to end so your speed get back up to warp due to cloak effect on speed.

Maybe you should post another whiney covert pirate post about how to bring more players into low sec to "help" EVE.Pirates whining because they fail at a game online is super funny and your pubbie tears taste SWEET.

Try using what the game gives instead of crying because you couldn't tackle or approach a BS that is cloaked.I know you fail to gank much, and that ONE km is hurting your ego and stats.Though i would prefer to not cry to have the dev's change something that will end up screwing something else up due to bad patching..because some pubbie that can't figure out EVE crys.

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Originally by: Captain Thunk

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/me gives Tal Nok a hug

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Originally by: CCP Mitnal

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Forum gods ANGRY.

Need sacrifice.

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Originally by: hellsknights

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It's always nice to kill something you can't afford

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Originally by: Begottenotmade

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3) Stop crying about carebears out smarting you.

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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It will allow one of the slowest and bulkiest ships in the game to warp like an interceptor and confound a gate camp of 10 ships.

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Originally by: Ja'kar

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Simple question: Is this how cloak was to be used?

Yes/no

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Originally by: Joachim Kato

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Funny how so many peeps are trying to flame Le Skunk yet totally failing to see what he's saying (or they never been inna situation like this when you cant do nothing to a BS pilot who is using this method of evading camps). I'm not whining about that, I'm just saying that reading comprehension is 4TFW.

You see, you CAN'T decloak him in time - it's impossible or close to it even when you have 16kms ceptor + 5 warriors assigned to it, cuz that BS will warp out and it doesn't matter whether hes cloaked or not BECAUSE he gets insta warp as soon as he is decloaked aniways.

P.S. 95% of players here are seemingly ready to smack everyone (or someone in particular) and his grandma's cat while being totally incompetent which is obvious from what they post or how they understand the problem. I have this idea, that 80% of the peeps here haven't encountered such situiation previously thus can't understand the problem discussed here, 15% of the players are prolly too dumb or hammered to notice what happened when they encountered such mwd/cloaking BS aniways and that's displayed here perfectly - they don't get the thing we are talking about here, yet they still smack about totally different thing.

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Lots of whining.

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Originally by: banner

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...
please dont flame as im only suggesting a method that i found worked and might not work for others depending on lag or other influences...

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he must wait for his speed to pass the warping speed before cloaking as hitting cloak straight away will just stop the acceleration and render the MWD useless"

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• 1.) You exit the gate cloaked, and stay cloaked for one minute. Use this time to orient yourself.


• 2.) (Steps 2-4 must be done in rapid succession) Double-click anywhere in space, ideally away from the camp. You will begin to come out of gate cloak.


• 3.) As you come out of gate cloak, hit your microwarp drive.


• 4.) Immediately activate your on-board cloaking device.


• 5.) While coasting cloaked, double click to align yourself with your destination.


• 6.) The moment your microwarp drive deactivates, decloak and warp. You'll warp almost instantly, because you're already aligned and the freshly deactivated microwarp drive means you're at full speed.

Originally by: Ursula LeGuinn

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For those wondering about exactly how this technique works:

• 1.) You exit the gate cloaked, and stay cloaked for one minute. Use this time to orient yourself.


• 2.) (Steps 2-4 must be done in rapid succession) Double-click anywhere in space, ideally away from the camp. You will begin to come out of gate cloak.


• 3.) As you come out of gate cloak, hit your microwarp drive.


• 4.) Immediately activate your on-board cloaking device.


• 5.) While coasting cloaked, double click to align yourself with your destination.


• 6.) The moment your microwarp drive deactivates, decloak and warp. You'll warp almost instantly, because you're already aligned and the freshly deactivated microwarp drive means you're at full speed.

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Whilst this may work, it is an inefficent use of this exploit.

You should align to your target in step 2, not mwd off randomly then try to align whilst doding speed cloaked. In large ships this would be very difficult.

However, from a standing cloaked start, you can spin your BS to align where you want to go instantly.

SKUNK

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Whilst this may work, it is an inefficent use of this exploit.

You should align to your target in step 2, not mwd off randomly then try to align whilst doding speed cloaked. In large ships this would be very difficult.

However, from a standing cloaked start, you can spin your BS to align where you want to go instantly.

SKUNK

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Originally by: Twilight Mourning

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Whilst this may work, it is an inefficent use of this exploit.

You should align to your target in step 2, not mwd off randomly then try to align whilst doding speed cloaked. In large ships this would be very difficult.

However, from a standing cloaked start, you can spin your BS to align where you want to go instantly.

SKUNK

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I love your continued use of the word exploit when GMs have said that at this point of time it is NOT an exploit. It like you believe if you continue to use the word over and over enough times it will be real. A bit like a scared child screaming in the dark over and over that the boogybear isn't realy there. Quite sad. Please continue as the whining is realy making me smile irl. =)

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Originally by: Cedric Diggory

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Since the drone changes, decloaking targets has never been easier!

- All ships launch drones
- All ships assign drones to assist the fastest ship
- The fastest ship zooms in the direction of the cloaked ship, which was easily located using your tactical overlay.
- Huge drone spam covers the entire area, decloaking your target and probably a few other ships you never even knew were on grid.

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Originally by: Securion Wolfheart

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words

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Originally by: Securion Wolfheart

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I knew "pirates" was the biggest carebears in EVE but this is becoming embarrassing...

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Making money off your hard work since 2003

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now then when a battle ship has the ability to be INVULNERABLE to the low sec gate camp, the name of the ship tells you that it is an exploit and was never meant to be a usable game mechanic, a battleship can have a travel fitting i agree which is not an EXPLOIT i.e warp core stabilzers, micro warp drives and cloaks for attempt to flee or hide from a a hostile gang in low sec space.

I do not believe that CCP meant for battleships or any other vessel to use mwd's, and cloaks to align faster whilst being immune to any hostile ship attempting a lock on it before it goes to warp in the space of a couple of second when normally it would take 20 seconds or longer if abiding by the rules, other wise like force recons, or co-vert op's vessels CCP would simply allow it to warp cloaked.

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Originally by: Xailz

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u sir need a vaga or another kind of nano hac i can hit recons/cloakers before they can align and warp out witch in turn knocks them out of alignment so they dont warp then let the pew pew begin

ow and please stop whineing your obviously not thinking hard enough if you cant work out the solution for yourself

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Originally by: Tyrell Foehammer

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Originally by: Xailz

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u sir need a vaga or another kind of nano hac i can hit recons/cloakers before they can align and warp out witch in turn knocks them out of alignment so they dont warp then let the pew pew begin

ow and please stop whineing your obviously not thinking hard enough if you cant work out the solution for yourself

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/signed.


I really can't believe there is two threads running about this very topic. I guess people will have to stop camping the gates in lowsec and go to 0.0 and pop a dictor to stop them or throw a bubble up, or.......ready for this......go find someone to kill, drop a probe or two.

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Originally by: Joachim Kato

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You either fail at reading or you've never been inna particualr situation we are talking about thus can't understand essence of the topic. Not really sure why did you feel the urge to post anything when being totally clueless.

Nothing personal it's just you both (as many others) don't really understand the porblem here - decloaking a cloaking/MWD BS is easy, but it doesn't matter, cuz locking is 99% of the time is impossible even inna sensor boosting inty.

Might as well do some research before spitting out smth like "ZOMG PIERATZ WHINERZORZ LOLOLOLOL - I FEEL URE PAINZORZ!!!1oneoneeleventeen!!!1shift+1=!".

No one is whining here, we are just discussing, but discussion can be done only among people with clue as to what is the issue. at person boasting about decloaking every cloaking recon before he warps out inna nano HAC - I mean those clueless people do not contribute at all. Of course they can and prolly will call me a n00b for not being able to do that, but we are not talking about players who cloak without even alligning and go for a smoke or to get a beer from a fridge. I mean you can't boast about being able to do this or that after once you suceeded to achieve smth when the other guy went AFK after cloaking - come on....

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Originally by: Ja'kar

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A Sweet shift in the balance of power if ever there was one.

It's thinking like this that is killing eve.

Can we not have a grown up talk about the issue, I don't think this is how cloaking was meant to work!

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Originally by: Ja'kar

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2 quick points

1 I said its THINKING like that thats killing eve not STATEMENTS like that

2 I don't know how cloak is to be used by CCP thats why i said I don't THINK they were meant to be used like that


ah crap I just killed me 'Lets be grown up argument'

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Originally by: Psorion

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Wow, you low sec guys got your panties up in a serious bunch.

Well, like someone else said, maybe you should move to .0 if you can hang. You can use warp bubbles and dictors and that will keep them from warping away.

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Originally by: Praxis1452

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you win eve

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Originally by: Stele Toque

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It takes time to earn the skills and money required to outfit your ship in order to do this.

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Originally by: Joachim Kato

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Originally by: Tyrell Foehammer

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Originally by: Xailz

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u sir need a vaga or another kind of nano hac i can hit recons/cloakers before they can align and warp out witch in turn knocks them out of alignment so they dont warp then let the pew pew begin

ow and please stop whineing your obviously not thinking hard enough if you cant work out the solution for yourself

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/signed.


I really can't believe there is two threads running about this very topic. I guess people will have to stop camping the gates in lowsec and go to 0.0 and pop a dictor to stop them or throw a bubble up, or.......ready for this......go find someone to kill, drop a probe or two.

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You either fail at reading or you've never been inna particualr situation we are talking about thus can't understand essence of the topic. Not really sure why did you feel the urge to post anything when being totally clueless.

Nothing personal it's just you both (as many others) don't really understand the porblem here - decloaking a cloaking/MWD BS is easy, but it doesn't matter, cuz locking is 99% of the time is impossible even inna sensor boosting inty.

Might as well do some research before spitting out smth like "ZOMG PIERATZ WHINERZORZ LOLOLOLOL - I FEEL URE PAINZORZ!!!1oneoneeleventeen!!!1shift+1=!".

No one is whining here, we are just discussing, but discussion can be done only among people with clue as to what is the issue. at person boasting about decloaking every cloaking recon before he warps out inna nano HAC - I mean those clueless people do not contribute at all. Of course they can and prolly will call me a n00b for not being able to do that, but we are not talking about players who cloak without even alligning and go for a smoke or to get a beer from a fridge. I mean you can't boast about being able to do this or that after once you suceeded to achieve smth when the other guy went AFK after cloaking - come on....

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Originally by: Xailz

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yes your whining, if your next to the ship wen u decloak him he cant re cloak for a short amount of time long enough to lock and anyone who goes afk after jumping through a gate with a hostile on it ... well i dont no what to say about that

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Originally by: Kagura Nikon

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.......That is why I started an alt to be completely specced in ammar. Because eventually CCP will buff it......

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Edited by: NightmareX on 12/02/2008 01:39:38

Originally by: Xailz

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yes your whining, if your next to the ship wen u decloak him he cant re cloak for a short amount of time long enough to lock and anyone who goes afk after jumping through a gate with a hostile on it ... well i dont no what to say about that

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Hey, that's another thing if another ship land up on the cloaker. We are not living in BoB space where they have a 500 man gate camp. We are living in low sec space, if you know what that is?

Anyways, LOL, it's hilarous on how many noobcorp players that really have experience with this thing. Either your an nubcake alt troll whiner or a new player to the game. Simple.

Or maybe you should post with your main, so your words can be taken in a positive way maybe?

Alt post or nubcake posting only get flamed to hell and back, it's rubbish and trash / junk to us, it's like spamming to me.

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Originally by: Jones Maloy

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cloak + mwd thing = 100% chance of escaping gate camp.

what part don't you guys understand?

to warp a ship must be at around 80% of its max velocity. cloak reduces max velocity to 50m/sec. it's a bit foggy here but i think when you uncloak the mwd screws with the actual/max velocity to achieve warp and the game thinks you are at max velocity when you are not.

normaly when you uncloak you have to get back to warp speed. with this trick it bypasses that even though you are going only a small fraction of your top speed.

100% certain it is bending the code in an abusable way. the only way to prevent it is to not allow the target to cloak.

someone do the math to place objects to be within a 2km distance of any point in a 15km radius shpere. i'm sure it's something like 200 objects are required.

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Originally by: Saerdna16ID

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So pirates sitting in a gate waiting some poor guy jump in and sent him to oblivious with no chance to fight back and you are complaining cause someone has found a way to overcome this?

Sad pirates, well we can say its an exploit having a gate camp. I say camping a gate is an exploit ban the people who do it when CCP is going to fix this exploid?

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Originally by: Saerdna16ID

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So pirates sitting in a gate waiting some poor guy jump in and sent him to oblivious with no chance to fight back and you are complaining cause someone has found a way to overcome this?

Sad pirates, well we can say its an exploit having a gate camp. I say camping a gate is an exploit ban the people who do it when CCP is going to fix this exploid?

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If you jump into a low sec gate camp and get killed, then you deserve to die because you didn't use a scout before you jumped in.

Hard to understand?

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Originally by: Xailz

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Originally by: Saerdna16ID

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So pirates sitting in a gate waiting some poor guy jump in and sent him to oblivious with no chance to fight back and you are complaining cause someone has found a way to overcome this?

Sad pirates, well we can say its an exploit having a gate camp. I say camping a gate is an exploit ban the people who do it when CCP is going to fix this exploid?

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If you jump into a low sec gate camp and get killed, then you deserve to die because you didn't use a scout before you jumped in.

Hard to understand?

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Not everyone has alts you no and he has a valid point as ive stated before gate camps should not be a iwin button kthxbi

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Edited by: NightmareX on 12/02/2008 12:07:28

Originally by: Xailz

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Originally by: Saerdna16ID

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So pirates sitting in a gate waiting some poor guy jump in and sent him to oblivious with no chance to fight back and you are complaining cause someone has found a way to overcome this?

Sad pirates, well we can say its an exploit having a gate camp. I say camping a gate is an exploit ban the people who do it when CCP is going to fix this exploid?

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If you jump into a low sec gate camp and get killed, then you deserve to die because you didn't use a scout before you jumped in.

Hard to understand?

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Not everyone has alts you no and he has a valid point as ive stated before gate camps should not be a iwin button kthxbi

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Did i say alt?, i did say a SCOUT. Use another guy in your corp to scout you if you need to go via low sec.

Like me, i'll never fly around in a BS alone in 0.0 space for example, since it's so damn easy to get killed then. And it's my fault then if i die without having a scout.

Low sec is almost like 0.0 space, except for that you have sentry guns and you can lose security status there, and you can't use a Doomsday Device there to. And ofc, you can't use warp bubbles in low sec.

So again, if you jump into low sec without a scout and then you die, then you deserve to die for beeing dumb.

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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No... no you dont.

You need under 1 million isk of fittings for a battleship to be able to do this.

You need to be able to use a cloak and a mwd... basic starter skills.

This pittance invalidates 100s of millions of skillpoints, the teamwork which eve is based on, and billions of isk worth of ships and fitting.

Its clearly unbalanced - Its clearly unintended

SKUNK

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Originally by: techzer0

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Originally by: Psorion

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Wow, you low sec guys got your panties up in a serious bunch.

Well, like someone else said, maybe you should move to .0 if you can hang. You can use warp bubbles and dictors and that will keep them from warping away.

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Ok... the point is that we choose not to live in 0.0 for a reason... 100+man lagfests aren't half as fun as a good 10vs10. A frig or cruiser blob is fun sometimes for obvious reasons, but I prefer to play where I don't have to watch a slideshow of what is going on.

The point is, when a cloak is used normally, there is a 20-30 second re-cloak penalty on any ship that isn't bonused for it. I can understand industrials using this to get through, since they are a deathtrap for the guy flying them, but a Battleship being un-targetable is ridiculous.

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Edited by: Le Skunk on 12/02/2008 00:30:20

Originally by: Stele Toque

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It takes time to earn the skills and money required to outfit your ship in order to do this.

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No... no you dont.

You need under 1 million isk of fittings for a battleship to be able to do this.

You need to be able to use a cloak and a mwd... basic starter skills.

This pittance invalidates 100s of millions of skillpoints, the teamwork which eve is based on, and billions of isk worth of ships and fitting.

Its clearly unbalanced - Its clearly unintended

SKUNK

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Originally by: Psorion

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If your really too chicken to move to 0.

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Originally by: Alowishus

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Edited by: Alowishus on 12/02/2008 21:54:44

Originally by: Psorion

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If your really too chicken to move to 0.

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Blah blah. Typical 0.0 carebear talk. I lived there for a long, long time and 0.0 is where carebears go to make ISK and pretend to PvP once in awhile. 0.0 is where my grandma lives. In the years I was in 0.0 90% of the "PvP" was 20:1 ganks at gatecamps or asteroid belts, the rest was sovereignty hockey and worthless 100 man fleet battles that lasted 10 seconds. The times there were fair and fun fights I can count on one hand and not even use my thumb. Please don't delude yourself by thinking 0.0 alliance warfare is the top of the PvP food chain, it's actually borderline pathetic. Your glorious 0.0 alliances are where us "chicken" pirates put our alts so we can get a slice of the 0.0 pie. Chances are there's a "chicken" pirate alt in your gang right now laughing about your ideas of PvP. Maybe it's mine.

At least us lowsec pirates aren't delusional about what we do. We gank, and it's fun and lucrative.

I don't disagree with you about the cloak-align-warp thing. I don't even have an opinion about it. It rarely ever happens because, as I've stated, people who die in lowsec are stupid, lazy and impatient. The best tricks in the world are lost on them because they don't feel they're in any way responsible for their own survival. I'm only interjecting here to let you know that being condescending because you feel 0.0 combat somehow makes you superior doesn't help your argument or credibility.

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Originally by: Avaricia

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look a goon lol

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Originally by: Psorion

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Trust me, real 0.0 happens in my portion of space.

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Originally by: Psorion

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Spoken like a true empire care-bear wanna be pirate. Trust me, real 0.0 happens in my portion of space. I guess you have Post tramatic stress or something. Maybe you were in the wrong alliance/space to speak so lowly of your old times in .0 We participate in daily pvp fights that are fun and actually much better than my lowsec days. I guess you call 'real pvp' sitting in a bunch of battlecruisers or HACS waiting for some slob to jump through some low.sec gate or playing docking games at some station. Have fun. Im out doing explorations, fleet ops, raids, and all the things that Low Sec doesnt have...

So go put your apron back on and bake some more muffins ..

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Originally by: Alowishus

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Blah blah. Typical 0.0 carebear talk. I lived there for a long, long time and 0.0 is where carebears go to make ISK and pretend to PvP once in awhile. 0.0 is where my grandma lives. In the years I was in 0.0 90% of the "PvP" was 20:1 ganks at gatecamps or asteroid belts, the rest was sovereignty hockey and worthless 100 man fleet battles that lasted 10 seconds. The times there were fair and fun fights I can count on one hand and not even use my thumb. Please don't delude yourself by thinking 0.0 alliance warfare is the top of the PvP food chain, it's actually borderline pathetic. Your glorious 0.0 alliances are where us "chicken" pirates put our alts so we can get a slice of the 0.0 pie. Chances are there's a "chicken" pirate alt in your gang right now laughing about your ideas of PvP. Maybe it's mine.

At least us lowsec pirates aren't delusional about what we do. We gank, and it's fun and lucrative.

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Originally by: Alowishus

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They believe they're entitled to roam through lowsec at their discretion and when they get ganked it's because "pirates are griefers."

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Originally by: Psorion

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You are just crying for a larger advantage than you already have. With a low sec camp, with ships that can tank the gate guns, you wont have the scan res to lock a ship fast enough, thats not by accident. Its to keep wanna be pirates from having their way.

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Originally by: Psorion

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1st : Not all 0.0 is 100+ man lagfest. You lack perspective and experience. I think the reason you live in low sec is because you want easy kills. Well, good for the battleship guy that uses the mechanics to slip past your camp.

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Originally by: Psorion

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2: That battleship has the same recloak penalty. If your camp is skilled enough to uncloak him before he can align properly you can get a point on him. So really, your lack skill and want to blame that on someone else. I suggest you improve your game, or move to an area of space that will allow you to use better tools. (Ie .0). Only problem with .0 is small stuff can attack your camp would have to have scouts, intel to keep from getting rushed by a bigger gang.

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Originally by: Psorion

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3: Easy fix for this. CCP increase the damage of Lowsec guns so you muppets cant sit there all day waiting . Force pirates to hunt in the belts or elsewhere.


If you're really too chicken to move to 0. why dont you camp a .0 entry point? Doril is NPC (Curse), so you can fight it out there. Like I said before tho, usually whiney posts from pirates about people that got away come from little nublets that 'want' to play pirate with 0 risk..

Whine on, im not fooled....

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Originally by: Praxis1452

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you win eve

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Originally by: Alowishus

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Edited by: Alowishus on 12/02/2008 21:54:44

Originally by: Psorion

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If your really too chicken to move to 0.

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Blah blah. Typical 0.0 carebear talk. I lived there for a long, long time and 0.0 is where carebears go to make ISK and pretend to PvP once in awhile. 0.0 is where my grandma lives. In the years I was in 0.0 90% of the "PvP" was 20:1 ganks at gatecamps or asteroid belts, the rest was sovereignty hockey and worthless 100 man fleet battles that lasted 10 seconds. The times there were fair and fun fights I can count on one hand and not even use my thumb. Please don't delude yourself by thinking 0.0 alliance warfare is the top of the PvP food chain, it's actually borderline pathetic. Your glorious 0.0 alliances are where us "chicken" pirates put our alts so we can get a slice of the 0.0 pie. Chances are there's a "chicken" pirate alt in your gang right now laughing about your ideas of PvP. Maybe it's mine.

At least us lowsec pirates aren't delusional about what we do. We gank, and it's fun and lucrative.

I don't disagree with you about the cloak-align-warp thing. I don't even have an opinion about it. It rarely ever happens because, as I've stated, people who die in lowsec are stupid, lazy and impatient. The best tricks in the world are lost on them because they don't feel they're in any way responsible for their own survival. I'm only interjecting here to let you know that being condescending because you feel 0.0 combat somehow makes you superior doesn't help your argument or credibility.

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Originally by: techzer0

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Originally by: Psorion

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2: That battleship has the same recloak penalty. If your camp is skilled enough to uncloak him before he can align properly you can get a point on him. So really, your lack skill and want to blame that on someone else. I suggest you improve your game, or move to an area of space that will allow you to use better tools. (Ie .0). Only problem with .0 is small stuff can attack your camp would have to have scouts, intel to keep from getting rushed by a bigger gang.

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I said before I've never had the problem of not being able to decloak a BS that was doing this, and I've never ad a problem decloaking a ship that's come through that couldn't warp cloaked.

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Originally by: sethfon

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Hey any of you guys got any Cheese.

It is now 0.0 v low sec. Then there is the op that could not catch a cloaked ship.

Man with all the wine flowing i need cheese for me and my date.

Not that i really care, i hate gate camping and i live in low sec.

Fix the guns and fix the cloak and then both sides would have danger.

0.0 v low sec no fix there just one group v other group.

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Originally by: techzer0

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Originally by: Psorion

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2: That battleship has the same recloak penalty. If your camp is skilled enough to uncloak him before he can align properly you can get a point on him. So really, your lack skill and want to blame that on someone else. I suggest you improve your game, or move to an area of space that will allow you to use better tools. (Ie .0). Only problem with .0 is small stuff can attack your camp would have to have scouts, intel to keep from getting rushed by a bigger gang.

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I said before I've never had the problem of not being able to decloak a BS that was doing this, and I've never ad a problem decloaking a ship that's come through that couldn't warp cloaked.

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The offers still open to run my mwd cloak exploiting alt cleanly past your camp, if youd care to tell me where you operate, HICS or no.



SKUNK

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Originally by: Praxis1452

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you win eve

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Originally by: CoLe Blackblood

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Are the same people *****ing here the same that got the nanos nerfed way back? And Nos?

sounds like a bunch of babies on these forums, I thought it was COAD

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