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Sorted Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.07 12:56:00 - [31] Originally by: Technix Doing this.. you also have to wait till your MWD cycles. SO... that is 10 seconds or so that you have to decloak a friggin BS.. before he can uncloak to insta warp. Try not failing at EVE. wrong. try not commenting when you are clearly clueless.
Sorted Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.07 12:57:00 - [32] Edited by: Sorted on 07/02/2008 12:58:15 Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: Feng Schui Originally by: Le Skunk Or indeed you? SKUNK 1) Mobile Large Warp Disruptor (30km bubble) 2) Set it up on the gate 3)When the cloaking BS warps in, he will need to go 15km to get outside the bubble 4) When a non-cloaking ship uses a cloak, he will get a speed reduction of around 50m/s (with MWD active). 5) He will appear on overview / in space for a brief second. Click on him, hit MWD, click approach. Your ship will align to him. 6) Go forward 7) Deploy Drones 8) ??? 9) Profit from lewtz. Wtf is wrong with me? I'm agreeing with Feng. your talking abouy bubbles in low sec. Other than that...well... EDIT: OP doesnt mention low sec - but i though common sense would see you guys through. bubbles, wow? What the hell are they???
abbagabba Gallente Monster Raving Loonies	Posted - 2008.02.07 13:10:00 - [33] Originally by: Setana Manoro Dude, Recons with 5000 sensor resolution is hardly normal and push button - kill. Not being able to lock something with 5000 sensor resolution that had a 1m isk investment is ... broken. Recons with 5000 scan res! A lachesis maxes out at about 2300, what are you flying?
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.02.07 14:45:00 - [34] While drones in low sec gate camps are usually a bad idea as they get popped by sentries if you don't pay attention - they do serve another useful role -> de-cloaking. 2-3 ships with 15 drones out, spaced around the gate. More is better. Inty used for bumping. Should help you keep the target from cloaking, and then you can bump it for good measure. That's my idea at least. __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.07 15:26:00 - [35] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Wtf is wrong with me? I'm agreeing with Feng. Congratulations for agreeing with a total idiot then. SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.07 15:29:00 - [36] Originally by: abbagabba Originally by: Setana Manoro Dude, Recons with 5000 sensor resolution is hardly normal and push button - kill. Not being able to lock something with 5000 sensor resolution that had a 1m isk investment is ... broken. Recons with 5000 scan res! A lachesis maxes out at about 2300, what are you flying? Well I didnt mention a lachesis with 5000 scan res BUT 4 Shadow Serp Sensor Boosters and gang bonus will get you to 2300. A huggin has a higher base scan res, and remote sensor boosters increas scan res by 15% each over onboard ones so I suspect you could hit at least 3500. SKUNK
Joachim Kato Xenobytes	Posted - 2008.02.07 16:27:00 - [37] Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: Bellum Eternus Wtf is wrong with me? I'm agreeing with Feng. Congratulations for agreeing with a total idiot then. SKUNK I don't havy any kind of medical degree to decide who is who and what's the person's mental state, but I have to say, that this quote is quite accurate to what I was thinking.
Slave 775 Ministry of Punishment Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.07 16:33:00 - [38] The solution to this would be to stop the effect of the MWD the moment you hit cloak. You cant use active Modules if your cloaked, so why should the continue to work if you cloak ? I used the hit MWD-cloak-align-warp for quite some time. The only time a high sec gatecamp caught me, was because of a caldari police officer NPC, he kept me from cloaking because he was to close. And that's high sec, doubt you get the "help" of these NPCs in lowsec.
Kruel Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.02.07 16:33:00 - [39] The only times my gang has killed people using this tactic is if we're right next to the guy and rush for a quick bump, or... when the dude makes a mistake. If done correctly, a BS/hauler can escape camps almost every time using the cloak/mwd trick. There's absolutely no way to lock them in time because as soon as the cloak drops they instawarp.
Erikel Cosmic Odyssey YouWhat	Posted - 2008.02.07 17:03:00 - [40] Man do i enjoy reading pirate whine threads. I enjoy them as much as you pirates enjoy the carebear whine threads.
Rajere No Trademark Notoriety Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.07 18:48:00 - [41] OP and anyone who thinks the OP is right, please please please bring your travel fit BS's to our neck of low sec. faction fit CNRs please. The solution I've already provided is simple: 1) sit 1 day old newb scout in a shuttle on the gate 2) when cloaking battleship appears on your overview, decloak him with shuttle 3) bump as necessary until you figure out how to put points on the battleship 4) Profit What the OP is referring to, is that once you hit MWD then cloak, you will still accelerate, and you're using the time cloaked to align to your destination. Once your MWD finishes it's cycle assuming you decloak at the correct moment so you can warp, your top speed plummets to its base speed which is higher than the speed necessary to initiate warp, so they instantly go into warp. This is what transport ships have been doing for years and the reason why they are so survivable in low sec. What the OP Fails to realize is this: 1) It takes 10 seconds for the MWD to shut off for this trick to work 2) Battleships take far longer to align than say, a prowler 3) You can keep a battleship bumped out of alignment until downtime, preventing them from ever warping, regardless of any tricks such as this to evade low sec ganks. Shuttles do the trick, or inty/frigates who are smart enough to know they're not supposed to lock the target, just decloak and bump them. You have time to call in friends from several systems away to actually land, lock, and put points on them. They aren't going anywhere.
Sorted Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.07 18:53:00 - [42] Originally by: Rajere 1) It takes 10 seconds for the MWD to shut off for this trick to work This is incorrect. although the cycle time is correct the insta warp once alinged is still possible while the MWD is turning off.
Twilight Mourning	Posted - 2008.02.07 19:32:00 - [43] Skunk alt double post FTL! Quit whining.
SirMoric	Posted - 2008.02.07 19:47:00 - [44] First of all, doublepost. Second, I didn't know you could do that, thanks for telling me. Third, lol. fourth, rgds.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.07 20:03:00 - [45] Edited by: Le Skunk on 07/02/2008 20:04:11 Edited by: Le Skunk on 07/02/2008 20:03:44 Originally by: SirMoric First of all, doublepost. Second, I didn't know you could do that, thanks for telling me. Third, lol. fourth, rgds. 1) As ive said before - the conversation has take two different routes in the two threads neither started by me or an alt. I prefer this thread out of the two actually as up unitll recently its troll count was lower. 2) I think everyone should abuse this broken mechanic untill ccp fix it - this secret has been under the carpet for two long... wait till you read my upcoming rant post about logging off. 3) oh noes is he laughing with me or at me.. what will i do 4) Cheers SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.07 20:07:00 - [46] Edited by: Le Skunk on 07/02/2008 20:07:03 Originally by: Rajere OP and anyone who thinks the OP is right, please please please bring your travel fit BS's to our neck of low sec. faction fit CNRs please. The solution I've already provided is simple: 1) sit 1 day old newb scout in a shuttle on the gate 2) when cloaking battleship appears on your overview, decloak him with shuttle 3) bump as necessary until you figure out how to put points on the battleship 4) Profit What the OP is referring to, is that once you hit MWD then cloak, you will still accelerate, and you're using the time cloaked to align to your destination. Once your MWD finishes it's cycle assuming you decloak at the correct moment so you can warp, your top speed plummets to its base speed which is higher than the speed necessary to initiate warp, so they instantly go into warp. This is what transport ships have been doing for years and the reason why they are so survivable in low sec. What the OP Fails to realize is this: 1) It takes 10 seconds for the MWD to shut off for this trick to work 2) Battleships take far longer to align than say, a prowler 3) You can keep a battleship bumped out of alignment until downtime, preventing them from ever warping, regardless of any tricks such as this to evade low sec ganks. Shuttles do the trick, or inty/frigates who are smart enough to know they're not supposed to lock the target, just decloak and bump them. You have time to call in friends from several systems away to actually land, lock, and put points on them. They aren't going anywhere. Please tell me where do you camp. And ill be heading that way in an exploiting BS with my alt with bpos in the carghold. SKUNK
Twilight Mourning	Posted - 2008.02.07 20:17:00 - [47] Originally by: Le Skunk Please tell me where do you camp. And ill be heading that way in an exploiting BS with my alt with bpos in the carghold. SKUNK Quote: Exploits An exploit is when someone bypasses normal game mechanics, such as by utilizing a bug in the game, allowing him to take advantage of other players without them having any means of preventing it whatsoever. When this occurs, we implore you to contact your friendly neighbourhood GM as soon as possible so that they can investigate the incident, prevent it from happening to anyone else, and possibly reimburse you for your loss: While in the game, select the "Help" function from your NeoCom. Press the "Petitions" button, then "New Petitions". Select the "exploit" category and press "Ok", then write as detailed a description as you can, including if possible the exact circumstances under which the cheat or exploit can be reproduced, and whether you know of any players who have been taking advantage of it. This is a working game mechanic. There are ways around it. Just because you can't figure them out doesn't mean it is an exploit. It just means you fail.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.07 20:23:00 - [48] Originally by: Twilight Mourning Originally by: Le Skunk Please tell me where do you camp. And ill be heading that way in an exploiting BS with my alt with bpos in the carghold. SKUNK Quote: Exploits An exploit is when someone bypasses normal game mechanics, such as by utilizing a bug in the game, allowing him to take advantage of other players without them having any means of preventing it whatsoever. When this occurs, we implore you to contact your friendly neighbourhood GM as soon as possible so that they can investigate the incident, prevent it from happening to anyone else, and possibly reimburse you for your loss: While in the game, select the "Help" function from your NeoCom. Press the "Petitions" button, then "New Petitions". Select the "exploit" category and press "Ok", then write as detailed a description as you can, including if possible the exact circumstances under which the cheat or exploit can be reproduced, and whether you know of any players who have been taking advantage of it. This is a working game mechanic. There are ways around it. Just because you can't figure them out doesn't m ean it is an exploit. It just means you fail. Post with your main SKUNK
Ariel Dawn Beets and Gravy Syndicate	Posted - 2008.02.07 20:41:00 - [49] Originally by: Technix Doing this.. you also have to wait till your MWD cycles. SO... that is 10 seconds or so that you have to decloak a friggin BS.. before he can uncloak to insta warp. Try not failing at EVE. God these forums are a fine example of human excrement. People are flaming without even knowing what the OP is talking about. Just imagine the discussions we could have if people posted like humans instead of inane clowns. There is really no way to counter this sans-bubble. Uncloaking the ship within 10 seconds is next to impossible due to client/server lag, accelerating to speed, delay in the locking command, etc. I'm sure YOU can do it because you are so 1337, but its almost impossible to do with any sort of reliability. CCP is highly unlikely to look into this though, whilst it may be rarely used it does promote movement and activity through low-sec/0.0 in situations with no bubbles. Spreading out and releasing drones on jump ins momentarily is probably the only way to tackle them escaping. Cans, corpses, wrecks may help out as well (as long as there aren't enough to warrant a petition for intentional lag creation).
Tal Nok Amarr DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.02.07 20:56:00 - [50] Edited by: Tal Nok on 07/02/2008 20:56:36 Originally by: Le Skunk I prefer this thread out of the two actually as up unitll recently its troll count was lower. SKUNK I personally liked the other thread better because it was easier to make fun of the posters. We need more flames in this thread. Therefore, you sir are a tube of used toothpaste! EDIT: Need more flame...rabblerabblerabblerabble Originally by: CCP Mitnal Forum gods ANGRY. Need sacrifice. Originally by: hellsknights It's always nice to kill something you can't afford
hUssmann Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.02.07 21:17:00 - [51] Originally by: ceyriot uhh....solution...dictor bubblespam? Your dictor bubble works in low-sec? Selling it per chance? Ginger Magician > You are merely an effective ganker of haulers who runs at the first sign of combat.
SirMoric	Posted - 2008.02.07 21:24:00 - [52] Originally by: Ariel Dawn instead of inane clowns. Do not underestimate the clowns.... rgds
Agor Dirdonen	Posted - 2008.02.07 21:39:00 - [53] I don't have any comments on the OP but don't talk about 'aligning time' when you just jumped in and are warping to your next point. The only time that counts is the acceleration time. You are insta-aligned when coming out of jump-cloak. It doesn't matter which direction you warp to, the only time that counts is the time to get to the correct speed. How do you think the insta-warp trick works with freighters and a webber?
Van'Klomp Species 5618 Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.02.07 21:48:00 - [54] Perfect, another thread about this. Now all the new pilots who wanted to take there BS into lowsec know how to. Well done, keep spreading the info chaps. ------ This is a signature, no?
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.07 22:05:00 - [55] Originally by: Van'Klomp Perfect, another thread about this. Now all the new pilots who wanted to take there BS into lowsec know how to. Well done, keep spreading the info chaps. Whilst i understandyour concern.. if its a borked mechanic.. its a borked mechanic. These threads are coming up more and more, and ccp need to deal with what is obviously an unintended side effect of a game mechanic. Any attempt at covering up this information is doomed to failure as, the abuse of the mechanic is so good, it is guaranteed to spread. SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.07 22:11:00 - [56] Edited by: Le Skunk on 07/02/2008 22:11:13 Originally by: Ariel Dawn Originally by: Technix Doing this.. you also have to wait till your MWD cycles. SO... that is 10 seconds or so that you have to decloak a friggin BS.. before he can uncloak to insta warp. Try not failing at EVE. God these forums are a fine example of human excrement. People are flaming without even knowing what the OP is talking about. Just imagine the discussions we could have if people posted like humans instead of inane clowns. There is really no way to counter this sans-bubble. Uncloaking the ship within 10 seconds is next to impossible due to client/server lag, accelerating to speed, delay in the locking command, etc. I'm sure YOU can do it because you are so 1337, but its almost impossible to do with any sort of reliability. CCP is highly unlikely to look into this though, whilst it may be rarely used it does promote movement and activity through low-sec/0.0 in situations with no bubbles. Spreading out and releasing drones on jump ins momentarily is probably the only way to tackle them escaping. Cans, corpses, wrecks may help out as well (as long as there aren't enough to warrant a petition for intentional lag creation). A fine post from someone who understands the issue. The extreme difficulty to counter this is indeed partly down to server lag.. a further reason why ccp should be dealing with it. Whilst you are right that its unlikley that it will be fixed by ccp if just a few people are using it (ref: Imune allinace) I can invision a near future where this 1 million isk exploit will be in use widespread, and CCP will be forced to counter it. This unhappy middle ground, where some people know about the cheat and some dont, as more and more threads come up needs to be cut short. The death process of this exploit will be accelerated by widespread abuse of it. SKUNK
ceyriot Minmatar Crimson Rebellion	Posted - 2008.02.08 01:32:00 - [57] Originally by: Sorted Edited by: Sorted on 07/02/2008 12:02:29 The problem isnt that we didnt see them cloak, or that our tackler isnt fast enough. (As you cant lock something that is cloaking/cloaked.) Situation: The Target jumps into system, looks for the next gate, Begins to aling, while almost simulatiously hitting MWD and Cloak, the speed spikes - the cloak stops them from being locked and reduces the upper limit of speed. Soon as the alingment looks good, the cloak comes off and the target spams warp to 0. The upper speed doesnt adjust in time (target acts as webbed) and the warp off is instant. We cant use bubbles (as its low sec piracy not 0.0) Soluation: The only solution I have seen is sitting and inty in the camp with the very fast acceleration, hit the MWD so its running when the gate fires, watch from him on overview, double click (to approach) and hope that u get there before: A) he finishes cloaking b4 u get close, and u run the risk of not spotting him to carry on the approach. (Which stops when he cloaks)and then (B) happens B) he finishes his quick alingment, in teh case of nano/travel fir BS, or very very quick in the case of transports, or very very very very very very quick in the case of istab trasnports with the new nomad inplants and hits warp anyways. EDIT: Or teh inty does manage to decloak him, but the target is already mostly alinged and just needs to pick up speed to hit warp: Then the tackler has to catch him b4 he warps... wihtout the inty - (whos sole job is not to agress but to run for a decloak or bump - No agression) there isnt much chance of getting them, even the tavel fit BS can aling and be a warp out in just a few secs while being immue to locks (cloaked). At the end of the day resorting to bump tactics to catch pilots who employs this travel methord is the only counter I can think of; If ANY of you illustrious pirates can enlighten me with another viable option I would love to hear it. Sorted ..which is why you have a BIGGER gang halfway between the (hopefully) 2 stargates, with a dictor bubble setup. They warp into the bubble, pop out of warp, go WTF? and you go LOLBBQSAUCE! Sig removed. Political references are not permitted in signatures. If you would like further details please email [email protected]. ~Saint
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.02.08 01:55:00 - [58] For some reason... this fails to annoy me and/or make me care that you can't catch a BS. It's annoying, but it's not horribly common obviously, and you're probably making it worse by telling people how ------------ Originally by: Praxis1452 you win eve
P'uck	Posted - 2008.02.08 02:56:00 - [59] it took me quite some time to actually find out, what could EXACTLY be the exploit mentioned here... until somebody gave a detail.. honestly ... i tried all kind of stuff to get ships to the 3/4 of dubbleclick speed faster so i would warp faster, too. on one point, when cargo expanders gave an absolute speed reduction, i even tried to combine them with bulkheads to get a real quick align speed... needless to say it didnt work out... but yeah... "cloak-speedreduction-lag" to do it definetly reeks of exploit. and thanks for telling... finally. you ***es. exploiting that ** and keeping it all to yourself. you guys suck ass.
Ranger802004 Caldari Knights Of the Black Sun Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2008.02.08 06:53:00 - [60] why don't you move to 0.0 and use an interdictor :) problem solved!

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