such as the 90 second delay to cloaking afeter mining lasor? it kind of negates the point of it, as ud just fit a normal cloak to a higher mining subsystem cuz ul be able to ninja better.

On closer examination, this is just a T3 mining barge...

I would also like to fit a t3 industrial ship to fit the role of a hauler, that is idea for traders to move goods in and out of null sec.

Also the cloaky sub needs 5 high slots for a probe launcher otherwise it's pointless for anyone using the ship outside of null sec.. Anyway i'm contradicting myself now as i'm sure CCP will be deciding the details

The current design supports dedicated hauling. A 25k m3 ore hauler or a 25k m3 gas hauler or a 10k m3 mercoxit hauler could be created with this current design.

As for high slots, there are currently 4 subsystems (2 defensive, 2 engineering) that could each add 1 high slot. This means with a cloak fit T3 industrial, you could have 6 high slots pretty easily.

As an example, cloak fit, adaptive shielding, mining laser field enhancement, emergent locus analyzer, and interdiction nullifier would result in a 6/5/2 layout with 4 turrets.

Honestly there are already pretty good ship alternatives for traders to move goods with safety (Prorator has a covert cloak and can be fit for 10k+ m3).

Couldn't the same be said for this T3 mining barge idea? I think having a hauler that can cloak, scan it's way through WH space, have a good tank and the ability to defend it's self with things like ECM would be awesome... Maybe increase the align time if an expanded cargo sub is used.

you know, I was gonna troll you for that post, but then I got to thinking about it . . . T3 is about being more versatile than T2 but not necessarily better, and you do have a point that it is essentially three iterations of a mining barge and a dedicated gas harvesting ship.

Do you have any suggestions for other industrial roles this ship could fill?

Maybe instead of the mercoxit miner which basically overlaps with the regular miner, it could mine ice or haul PI mats or something? IDK

I don't really know about that 25,000 m3 gas bay (... it just sounds.... too op), but EVE sure could use a dedicated gas harvesting ship! And the idea of T3 Blockade Runner is nice too.

In my opinion though, it'd be too much work redoing the whole T3 system onto another ship class. It's just gonna make the game too complicated by having so many subsystems/classes (people have already been complaining about that regarding new addition of some ships)
I'd rather ask for a subsystem addition to the current existing T3s then.. why would you want a specific Industrial T3 class and skill? Just make an "ORE Subsystem" pack.

Voted

I really like this idea, but I would still rather see this as an extension of existing T3 cruisers. It would really give an option for a one-ship-does-it-all exploration option, being able to configure for probing, combat, radar, mag, ladar, and grav sites, as well as being able to haul out the spoils.

Agreed. Bonuses to hacking and analyzing would be nice.

Yup, still not down with a T3 that's just a mining barge...

I like the idea of a T3 hulk, though I would like to see two subsystems that do the following:

one would have bonuses geared toward ice harvesting; reduction in harvester duration primarly

the other would have bonuses geared toward drones; attack, defense, and yield bonuses

In my opinion though, it'd be too much work redoing the whole T3 system onto another ship class. It's just gonna make the game too complicated by having so many subsystems/classes (people have already been complaining about that regarding new addition of some ships)

Excellent idea.

-not game breaking (you forgot to add ice cyble or amount bonus)

Harvesters Efficiency Optimizer GÇô 10% decreased duration of gas harvesters and +5,000 m3 gas chamber per level; 5/0/0 (5 turrets); 350m3 cargo
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• bonused gas harvester

I don't understand the purpose of the cloaking delay. It's meant to be a defensive measure against ship that pop on grid.
It's not a 100% effective defence. Someone could warp to you cloaked and sneak warp disrupt you or bump you.

The cloaking subsystem wouldn't be worth sacrificing yield if you can't use it defensively. You just don't mine if you know hostiles are around.

If this was implemented, I would like to see a transportation subsystem that is better than the the iteron V. This is a 400mil ship after all, it should be better than any cheaper ships by at least some margin.

Don't want to take glory, but I had a proposal a bit ago, complete with concept art for the ship design contest.

Prospect T3 industrial

Lots of info, so don't want to reiterate it all, but heck, read it up.

In order to remain competitive with the changing times. Ore is looking to reach out to the higher risk takers in industry. The "Prospect" proposal is to seek investors to make an industry ship focused entirely to the small industrial corps whom would prefer to gather the materials themselves rather than outsource their rare ore supplies.

The design is centered around survivability. While they may rival tech 2 counterparts, the overall yields will not exceed, but instead offer additional functionality in dangerous space. unfortunately, all this state of the art technology does come at additional costs.

Turrets would be side mounted instead of traditional ore top mounts to match the dual process line design.

Skill requirements for usage will be the similar to that of the Strategic cruisers. Difference will be barge instead of cruiser skill and the skill itself will be strategic industrial.

Strategic Industrial I
Astrogeology V
Spaceship Command III
Mining Barge V
Spaceship Command I
Strategic Industrial Defensive Systems I
Mechanic V
Shield Operation III
Engineering I
Strategic Industrial Electronic Systems I
Electronics V
Strategic Industrial Engineering Systems I
Engineering V
Strategic Industrial Mining Systems I
Mining V
Drones III
Strategic Industrial Propulsion Systems I
Navigation V

I would like to have had some slight changes for the fitting slots. Unfortunately gas miners do not require a hardpoint. To keep it from being overpowered, I had to limit possible high slot combination maximums to 4. Exception is the locus setup which would not receive the gas mining bonus.

Edit: in game, had never used gas harvesters, and didn't realize that the info window for them doesn't say that they use turret hardpoint. Thanks to a friend for pointing that out, with that knowledge, the foreman subsystem could be tweaked to add a high slot instead.

Other issue would be that gathered resources would have to go straight to the resource bays, or the hull resource bay would need to become a regular cargo bay.

Primary focus was on getting a general function. Due to time, and the fact of having to make the assortment of subsystems, planning and testing different ways to assemble to prevent an overpower event, texture mapping was not possible, instead focusing on an appearance. This also includes exact calculations for areas such as mass, powergrid, etc. Attribute points.

Notes: The folder for this project, not including blender or outside used images is 583 mb. If the .bmp file format is included, 514 mb can be added to that. For you eve players in the know, must be a sign XD

Also note the little mark on the front of the scaling bar. Is a person for case of reference.

uhm... sorry... but isnt this just a graphics mockup? i guess(bbc code for link error to the suggestion) you are referring to? let me put it here, too:

--bunch of stuff removed for readability--

-> I assume the m3 amounts are for a solo miner. Have you considered the impact of the 'cycle time' reduction? The normal turret miner is a one minute cycle, but the strip miner is five minutes. That could put the edge toward this ship when in fleet.

-> Would your alliance allow such a ship to be used in Sov Null by your members, or their blues? If no, why not? Both Low and W-Space are mentioned when discussing these types of ships but I've not seen much endorsement for them in Sov Null.

I like this limitation. It means miners have to be more attentive and perhaps even cycle their miners.

I'm not sure what you are asking here. Are you referring to my alliance personally? Our blues can do w.e. they want in terms of pve and mining. I came across a 10 man ice mining op a couple days ago in some backwater system.

no more interdiction nullifier crap supported.

competent and well set up camps can stop interdiction nullified ships, just sayin

all the subsystem allows you to do is travel relatively safely

yeah, I guess you're about setting up 400 ships around the gate so he wont be able to cloak but not everyone is in TEST.
Interduction nullified ships are nearly impossible to catch if fit for agility.

Harvesters Efficiency Optimizer GÇô 10% decreased duration of gas harvesters and +5,000 m3 gas chamber per level; 5/0/0 (5 turrets); 350m3 cargo

+1 to you.
But Advanced Spaceship Command V is just too much for a cruisersize ship. Just make the required skills in line with other T3s.

I hate how CCP has classified haulers as industrials.

It should be "racial hauler" or something to that effect. Not racial industrial.

It just wouldn't be versatile if it was only a mining ship.

a short, short list

Small minds might think that's versatile. I can already do that many things with a tech 1 ship.

Please tell me the T1 ship that can do all of those things as well as this ship would be able to.

I'm terribly sorry that this ship doesn't also act as a mass hauler/explorer/ship hangar/Doomsday equipped/fighterbomber spewing salvage boat.

I underlined what you missed, and I refuse to continue this discussion because it is beneath me. If you want to stop driving people away from debating with you, perhaps you should focus more energy on listening to what the person is saying, and less on trying to force your own ideas across.

In all the times I've killed hulks in wh space, none have ever had warp core stabs. I disagree entirely that being able to bubble them would be the only way to kill them. You're assuming two things here: 1. that people fit WCS and 2. that people will use the interdiction subsystem when mining.

The interdiction subsystem is an essential component for the ship for those that wish to have a chance at bypassing entry level camps to 0.0, much like many T3 pilots use.

The figures and precise details are irrelevant but the idea is sound.

I'm tempted to remove the mercoxit bay, ore bay and gas chamber bonuses from the industrial subsystems, and create a generic ore bay propulsion subsystem and a gas chamber subsystem.

Thoughts?

Lets make the ships that exist balanced while we're at it too.

Actually, I thought of something to make the ore hold subsystem more "propulsion" oriented.

-10% agility per level

Thus, the bigger the bay, the slower you'll align/navigate.

It's a nice idea, but you can't just lower your skill to get a smaller bay and more agility.

I don't see why not.

I mean, if increasing the level of the skill causes your ore bay to get bigger and your agility to go down, say one day you have a specific plan and you want to have a smallish ore bay with better agility. You can't just click a button to make your T3 Harvester Cruiser Propulsion Subsystem skill go down a few levels, and then come back up later at another button click.

Ultimately if they decide to build a T3 Industrial ship, they won't copy and paste your subsystems stats, they'll start from scratch and make it the way they want :)

Nice idea...make it lowsec only :)

no t3's are not ment to mine.

no t3's are not ment to mine.

Any why not?
I used mining laser II's on a gallente t3. miners seemed to work out just fine.

What I would like to see on a T3 ore ship is that with the subsystems you could change it into a hauler also. So it would be a multipurpose ship like all the T3 ships are.

I'm seeing ninja salvaging on battlefields in a t3 ore ship... yes

nicely fleshed out idea,

it really comes into its own with the cov-ops, althought the mass reduction will **** ppl off with the whole wormholes are feeding to many minerals into the market problem!

however, the idea for gas mining is brillient, esp with the bonuses to scanning. nice work. although a bit of fine tuening needs doing. such as the 90 second delay to cloaking afeter mining lasor? it kind of negates the point of it, as ud just fit a normal cloak to a higher mining subsystem cuz ul be able to ninja better.