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Mike Huckabee GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.02.29 01:04:00 - [61] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Dianeces Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah and in this case it meets the criterium of not giving any direct material reward They get to loot the burning carcasses of your shattered cardboard-thin mining barges. Seems like material reward to me. Like that really gives much loot. There are far more efficient ways of making money and far better targets to suicide gank, juicy freighters full of shiny minerals, ships carrying blueprints, all that. There is more to Eve than money.
Zorlag Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.29 01:05:00 - [62] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Dianeces Did I mention they get to see sweet, sweet pubbie tears if they continue to do this? Also, who cares if there are more efficient ways of making isk? You stated there was no material benefit, I proved that false, and now you're trying to brush it off. If you continue being such a nitpicker, I'll rephrase that to no 'significant' material reward, instead of arguing with you. Happy? I'm making money and having fun blowing barges up, what else would I want?
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2008.02.29 01:07:00 - [63] Originally by: Zorlag I'm making money and having fun blowing barges up, what else would I want? If you make money with these tactics, then that's definately an indication for CCP to add some DRASTIC consequences to these criminal acts.
Dianeces Minmatar Repo Industries	Posted - 2008.02.29 01:07:00 - [64] Originally by: Zorlag Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Dianeces Did I mention they get to see sweet, sweet pubbie tears if they continue to do this? Also, who cares if there are more efficient ways of making isk? You stated there was no material benefit, I proved that false, and now you're trying to brush it off. If you continue being such a nitpicker, I'll rephrase that to no 'significant' material reward, instead of arguing with you. Happy? I'm making money and having fun blowing barges up, what else would I want? Apparently you're supposed to want more money.
Lorzion Minmatar IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.02.29 01:24:00 - [65] Originally by: M'ing Pai Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah string of whine, I want the game to change for me This is the game for you, my friend: the game Ankhesentapemka should really be playing Please go there, where it's nice and fluffy and no one ever gets killed by anyone else. Most of us like Eve the way it is, hence our continued subscriptions. i actualy got accepted to the beta for that
Atomos Darksun Infortunatus Eventus	Posted - 2008.02.29 01:37:00 - [66] Edited by: Atomos Darksun on 29/02/2008 01:38:13 ............... _@@@__ ......_____//____?__\________ - ---o--------FORUM-POLICE-@) -----` --(@)======+====(@)-- previously stolen from blackgunz who stole it from eat-the-cheese, who stole it from TheSoulSurvivor, who stole it from Styfermon Dear: Ankhesentapemkah + Macropodder You are a(n): [x] Nub [x] Lamer [x] AOLer [x] Self righteous goit [ ] Pervert [x] Geek [x] Spammer [x] Nerd [ ] Elvis [ ] Warcryer [x] Freak [ ] Scientologist [ ] Socialist [ ] Bible-thumper [x] Anonymous coward [ ] Fightclubber (alleged) [ ] Fightclubber (known - must include evidence) [x] McDonalds employee You Are Being Flamed Because: [ ] You quoted an ENTIRE post in your reply [ ] You continued a long, stupid thread [ ] You started an off-topic thread [x] You posted "YOU ALL SUCK/THIS SUCKS" message [ ] You said "/sign" to something [ ] You said "/agree" to something [x] You suck [ ] You posted A trade spam message in a server forum [ ] You brag about things that never happened [x] Your sig/alias/name sucks [ ] You made up slang then used it in a message [x] I don't like your tone of voice [x] Everyone hates you [x] I think you might be a Chav [x] I think you might be a Pikey (Profession or other) [ ] You posted to more than four threads on different forums simultaneously [ ] You were imposing your religious beliefs on others [x] You posted something really stupid [x] You tried to blame others for your stupidity [x] you incorrectly assumed unwarranted moral or intellectual superiority [x] you are posting an anonymous attack [ ] you used 1337speak and therefore deserve no respect [x] you posted a leaving message without specifiying stuff rights [x] you posted a 1 sided rant [x] you give your profession of [insert profession] a bad name with your views [x] you asked for an i win button [ ] you are using bright large text of varying colours in your posts [x] its fun To Repent, You Must: [x] Stop flaming people like the Great Flame War of April 1st, 2006. [x] Give up your EVE account [x] Bust up your modem with a hammer and eat it [x] Jump into a bathtub while holding your monitor [x] Actually post something relevant [x] Read the FAQ [x] Be the guest of honor in Lonetrek for a month [x] Print your home phone number in your adverts [x] Give me your stuff [x] Slam your fingers in a desk drawer repeatedly [x] Submit yourself to CCP Navigator for an official beating In Closing, I'd Like to Say: [x] Bite me [x] Get a life [x] Never post again [x] I pity your dog [ ] Yer momma's so fat/stupid/ugly that etc... [x] Take your crap somewhere else [x] Learn to post or sod off [x] Do us all a favor and crawl into some industrial machinery [x] See how far your tongue will fit into the electric outlet [x] Log in and type /guildremove [x] Kthxbye [x] n00b [x] All of the above Originally by: Atomos Darksun What's the difference between an alt poster and a leech? One is a blood sucking parasite, the other is a leech.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.02.29 01:54:00 - [67] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Zorlag I'm making money and having fun blowing barges up, what else would I want? If you make money with these tactics, then that's definately an indication for CCP to add some DRASTIC consequences to these criminal acts. You seem to think that blowing up ships is inherently bad. Given that EvE was started by a bunch of guys who were disappointed when player-killing un Ultima Online was nerfed and decided to start a PvP-focused MMOG where PKing was accepted, normal and encouraged, why on earth would you think that the devs would find your point of view persausive? EvE specifically includes non-consensual PvP the way baseball includes bats and balls; it's not just a "feature": it's the whole point of the game. Takes the bats and balls out and what you're playing is some kind of tag or something. Since you're such a hot-shot game developer and all, why not create your own carebeary MMOG to compete with EvE? If there are so many people who think as you do, then it will do very well. I'd wish you every success in this endeavour, I truly would. It's not something I'd play myself, but it could only be good for EvE to have a little competition, as well as an alternative to point persons such as yourself to. And in fact taking out the uniqie points of EvE would make the job a lot easier; you can have sharded servers, instances, zero-PvP zones, tourny PvP, CtF etc etc etc. It wouldn't surprise me if it became considerably more popular than EvE, in fact. Go to it and best of luck. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.02.29 01:57:00 - [68] Originally by: Lorzion Originally by: M'ing Pai Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah string of whine, I want the game to change for me This is the game for you, my friend: the game Ankhesentapemka should really be playing Please go there, where it's nice and fluffy and no one ever gets killed by anyone else. Most of us like Eve the way it is, hence our continued subscriptions. i actualy got accepted to the beta for that You know, there's just got to be a way to pirate in there. There's just gotta be a way... CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2008.02.29 02:12:00 - [69] Originally by: Malcanis You seem to think that blowing up ships is inherently bad. That was not my point. I personally HATE blowing up ships, but I don't mind at all that others do it and that's a key feature of this game. What I do mind is, how many times must I say this, that there are NO CONSEQUENCES to blowing up ships in HIGHSEC. There is insurance payout, and concord protects these people, giving them the initive when they choose to strike. So, unlike your sig, Concord currently provides neither consequences nor safety. Highsec isn't safe space, never will be, but at this rate it soon won't be any safeR than Lowsec. That indicates something is wrong. Originally by: Malcanis Given that EvE was started by a bunch of guys who were disappointed when player-killing un Ultima Online was nerfed and decided to start a PvP-focused MMOG where PKing was accepted, normal and encouraged, why on earth would you think that the devs would find your point of view persausive? Because in UO they took it too far and created Trammel. UO always HAD consequences for being a criminal/murderer though, and there always was the safety of town, where guards actually were effective in protecting the people. In UO there used to be the saying that an item was only safe in your bank box, and the moment you took it out it could be stolen/looted/etc! Again, I don't want Eve to take it too far and turn into Trammel... Originally by: Malcanis EvE specifically includes non-consensual PvP the way baseball includes bats and balls; it's not just a "feature": it's the whole point of the game. Takes the bats and balls out and what you're playing is some kind of tag or something. Since you're such a hot-shot game developer and all, why not create your own carebeary MMOG to compete with EvE? If there are so many people who think as you do, then it will do very well. I'd wish you every success in this endeavour, I truly would. It's not something I'd play myself, but it could only be good for EvE to have a little competition, as well as an alternative to point persons such as yourself to. And in fact taking out the uniqie points of EvE would make the job a lot easier; you can have sharded servers, instances, zero-PvP zones, tourny PvP, CtF etc etc etc. It wouldn't surprise me if it became considerably more popular than EvE, in fact. Go to it and best of luck. I don't see how this is relevant to the points I raised. I play Eve right now, I have for over 4 years, and I have my say in this matter, its up to CCP if they do anything with it, not up to you.
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge XIII Legio	Posted - 2008.02.29 02:24:00 - [70] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah That was not my point. I personally HATE blowing up ships, but I don't mind at all that others do it and that's a key feature of this game. What I do mind is, how many times must I say this, that there are NO CONSEQUENCES to blowing up ships in HIGHSEC. There is insurance payout, and concord protects these people, giving them the initive when they choose to strike. So, unlike your sig, Concord currently provides neither consequences nor safety. Highsec isn't safe space, never will be, but at this rate it soon won't be any safeR than Lowsec. That indicates something is wrong. Please listen to me - you have already been told how to deal with this problem!!! - Fit warp core stabs - Stay aligned to warp off - Fit a cloak so you can't be scanned or probed out once you warp away YOU are responsible for not getting blown up! People mine in hostile territory all the time - AND they've adapted - you in FOUR YEARS have not! This game involves non-consensual pvp - if you don't think the consequences are high enough, you obviously have never lost sec status and seen how long it takes to get it back high enough! Quit your whining! __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.02.29 02:24:00 - [71] Edited by: Alowishus on 29/02/2008 02:24:33 Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah the griefer just performs his actions for the sake of ruining the other player's game play, and somehow derrives satisfaction from that fact alone. Everyone I blow up thinks I only did it to derive satisfaction from their suffering. That's the carebear MO. There's plenty of non-PvPing industrialists who accept things about Eve but what defines a carebear is when they think everyone is "griefing" them. Universally accepted term? Overused, meaningless term. Especially given the game you're playing. Go ahead hold out for change. I'm sure after four years CCP will finally listen to the tards. /makes fart noise
Conq Er	Posted - 2008.02.29 02:37:00 - [72] Edited by: Conq Er on 29/02/2008 02:37:27 So who else is running locator agents on Ankhesentapemkah now?
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2008.02.29 02:48:00 - [73] Originally by: Omarvelous Please listen to me - you have already been told how to deal with this problem!!! - Fit warp core stabs - Stay aligned to warp off - Fit a cloak so you can't be scanned or probed out once you warp away YOU are responsible for not getting blown up! People mine in hostile territory all the time - AND they've adapted - you in FOUR YEARS have not! This game involves non-consensual pvp - if you don't think the consequences are high enough, you obviously have never lost sec status and seen how long it takes to get it back high enough! Quit your whining! And you completely missed the POINT. This is HIGHSEC, not LOWSEC. Highsec is supposed to be safeR than lowsec. It is not. Concord is supposed to provide consequence. It does not.
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2008.02.29 02:52:00 - [74] Originally by: Conq Er Edited by: Conq Er on 29/02/2008 02:37:27 So who else is running locator agents on Ankhesentapemkah now? If you want my corpse, you can just ASK and it will be given. No need to go through any trouble or lose a ship over it. I'll even throw in some exotic dancers, if you want them.
duckmonster GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.29 03:11:00 - [75] Originally by: Conq Er Edited by: Conq Er on 29/02/2008 02:37:27 So who else is running locator agents on Ankhesentapemkah now? I ran out of points hunting down people whining in the eve-o general thread :( Let us know where he hangs out. -----------
Dramaticus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.29 03:18:00 - [76] every thread like this i read im more and more tempted to take a week off 0.0 and head up to empire for some sweet jihadswarm action Please don't use RL pictuers of players in Sig without permission. - WeatherMan
Berrik Radhok GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.29 03:32:00 - [77] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Omarvelous Please listen to me - you have already been told how to deal with this problem!!! - Fit warp core stabs - Stay aligned to warp off - Fit a cloak so you can't be scanned or probed out once you warp away YOU are responsible for not getting blown up! People mine in hostile territory all the time - AND they've adapted - you in FOUR YEARS have not! This game involves non-consensual pvp - if you don't think the consequences are high enough, you obviously have never lost sec status and seen how long it takes to get it back high enough! Quit your whining! And you completely missed the POINT. This is HIGHSEC, not LOWSEC. Highsec is supposed to be safeR than lowsec. It is not. Concord is supposed to provide consequence. It does not. Low sec is a lot less safe than Empire, you fool. At least in Empire you won't run into a carrier or mothership.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.02.29 03:34:00 - [78] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I don't see how this is relevant to the points I raised. I play Eve right now, I have for over 4 years, and I have my say in this matter, its up to CCP if they do anything with it, not up to you. sigh CONCORD does provide a consequence. Commit a crime, lose your ship. What you mean is that it doesn't provide enough of a consequence for your liking. That losing a ship isn't such a big deal... yet that losing a ship IS a big deal for the guy that gets ganked. (See a contradiction there BTW?) I don't see how you can have played EvE for 4 years and somehow failed to apprehend that CCP intend for the primary activity of the players to be to contest against each other. It's easy to get ships, easy to fit them and easy to fight in them. Your point seems to be "I don't care how CCP intend the game to be, I want my way anyway". There's no arguing with that, because it's not an argument. It's just a demand. Of course, it's about as credible as "I want to play baseball with no bat or ball", and it's getting about as much respect. You say you don't want eve to be like Trammel, whereas CCP have gone to some lengths to make the game exactly like that (disclaimer: I never played UO, so I'm going by your description) - you say "In UO there used to be the saying that an item was only safe in your bank box, and the moment you took it out it could be stolen/looted/etc!" but in EvE there is an equivalent saying: "You agree to PvP when you undock". "its up to CCP if they do anything with it, not up to you" Well duh, but I could say the same to you. Obviously we're discussing it amongst ourselves. But if you're going to use that argument, then you really should accept CCP's frequently expressed official and unofficial statements about the kind of game EvE is. And right there in the FAQ: non-consensual PvP. "Pirate" is specifically mentioned as a player career. Seriously: why play EvE if you don't like non-consensual PvP? CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Lhyda Souljacker	Posted - 2008.02.29 03:44:00 - [79] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah And you completely missed the POINT. This is HIGHSEC, not LOWSEC. Highsec is supposed to be safeR than lowsec. It is not. Concord is supposed to provide consequence. It does not. No YOU completely missed the point. Highsec IS safer than lowsec. CONCORD exists in Highsec to make it safer than lowsec. When I suicide my vexor onto one of your pathetic little mining barges, CONCORD shows up to extract revenge on my ship by blowing it up (here's the consequence (I am pointing it out since you don't seem to be capable of grasping this particular concept), my ship is gone and I'm terribly inconvenienced by a 15 minute timer and some isk loss that I make back quickly if I choose the right targets). This isn't done in lowsec. If you cant deal with the fact that you either cant tank your ships properly or you cant follow the other directions (aligning, cloak, etc) already presented in this thread, you are incompetent and have no right to complain plus you do not get the mechanics of EVE. Please leave the game or figure out what you're doing wrong (lots of others have, its not hard) and be quiet.
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2008.02.29 03:50:00 - [80] Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 29/02/2008 03:50:52 Originally by: Berrik Radhok Low sec is a lot less safe than Empire, you fool. At least in Empire you won't run into a carrier or mothership. If I could run into a carrier or mothership, it means I COULD FLY ONE TOO. Fool. Originally by: Malcanis sigh CONCORD does provide a consequence. Commit a crime, lose your ship. What you mean is that it doesn't provide enough of a consequence for your liking. That losing a ship isn't such a big deal... yet that losing a ship IS a big deal for the guy that gets ganked. (See a contradiction there BTW?) Which is EXACTLY what I've been saying for several pages now, that the security status hit should be increased, and that insurance should be void when concord is involved. sigh Originally by: Malcanis I don't see how you can have played EvE for 4 years and somehow failed to apprehend that CCP intend for the primary activity of the players to be to contest against each other. It's easy to get ships, easy to fit them and easy to fight in them. Your point seems to be "I don't care how CCP intend the game to be, I want my way anyway". There's no arguing with that, because it's not an argument. It's just a demand. Of course, it's about as credible as "I want to play baseball with no bat or ball", and it's getting about as much respect. You say you don't want eve to be like Trammel, whereas CCP have gone to some lengths to make the game exactly like that (disclaimer: I never played UO, so I'm going by your description) - you say "In UO there used to be the saying that an item was only safe in your bank box, and the moment you took it out it could be stolen/looted/etc!" but in EvE there is an equivalent saying: "You agree to PvP when you undock". I only agree to PVP when I go to lowsec. Guess where I'm not going? Yeah, some nasty stuff can happen in highsec, but that should be very limited. Right now, it's getting out of hand. Originally by: Malcanis "its up to CCP if they do anything with it, not up to you" Well duh, but I could say the same to you. Obviously we're discussing it amongst ourselves. But if you're going to use that argument, then you really should accept CCP's frequently expressed official and unofficial statements about the kind of game EvE is. And right there in the FAQ: non-consensual PvP. "Pirate" is specifically mentioned as a player career. Seriously: why play EvE if you don't like non-consensual PvP? Because I like to fly around in spaceships and fit them, because Eve is a nice and complex game, and because I like to gain reputation with NPCs.
Lhyda Souljacker	Posted - 2008.02.29 03:53:00 - [81] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I only agree to PVP when I go to lowsec. Guess where I'm not going? Yeah, some nasty stuff can happen in highsec, but that should be very limited. Right now, it's getting out of hand. Actually you agree to PVP when you undock.
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2008.02.29 04:11:00 - [82] Originally by: Dianeces Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Berrik Radhok Low sec is a lot less safe than Empire, you fool. At least in Empire you won't run into a carrier or mothership. If I could run into a carrier or mothership, it means I COULD FLY ONE TOO. Fool. Please tell me when you get a carrier or mothership. I'd like to be on a comedy killmail. The moment they can be built and fly around in highsec.
Lhyda Souljacker	Posted - 2008.02.29 04:13:00 - [83] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah The moment they can be built and fly around in highsec. They can already be built and flown around in highsec. CCP doesn't like it but it's possible. Also, you've been playing for four years and didn't know this?
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.02.29 04:15:00 - [84] Originally by: Lhyda Souljacker Actually you agree to PVP when you undock. This is the part of the social contract (of Eve) that people seem to miss. /makes fart noise
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2008.02.29 04:16:00 - [85] Originally by: Malcanis The irony of that post is amazing, since "whine about it, and stick your fingers in your ears shouting lalala" is exactly your position. See the great thing about that "non-consensual" part is even if you don't agree that you've agreed, you have still agreed anyway. That's why I never return fire even if I lose another ship to it. Hurting other people is immoral. Originally by: Malcanis If CCP intended for hi-sec to be safe, they could very simply have made it impossible to lock other players in hi-sec. Simple as that. Ta-dah! Problem solved with a simple variable, about as difficult to program as 10 PRINT "HELLO WORLD". But oh look, they didn't. You can whine about that, stick your fingers in your ears and chant lalala, but there the fact is. And that's why it's so great that Goonswarm is showing the problems with the current system. I'm sure this will be fixed eventually. Originally by: Malcanis Anyway by now I've concluded that you're either a troll or an idiot, or possibly both. However, I've added you to my address book, since your stubborn refusal to deal with reality indicates that there's easy profit to be had from ganking you and taking your stuff. Like I said, just ask for my corpse and you'll get it. I won't even shoot back. Just get in line and wait your turn.
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.02.29 04:18:00 - [86] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah That's why I never return fire even if I lose another ship to it. Hurting other people is immoral. You can't hurt people in a game. This is my last post as you're obviously a troll that is incapable of reason. /makes fart noise
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2008.02.29 04:20:00 - [87] Originally by: Lhyda Souljacker Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah The moment they can be built and fly around in highsec. They can already be built and flown around in highsec. CCP doesn't like it but it's possible. Also, you've been playing for four years and didn't know this? Fly around as in, not being stuck in one system, because that's the limitation as far as I know. That and you need the infrastructure for it, and I doubt that the current owners will just build another highsec capship for someone they don't know.
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2008.02.29 04:21:00 - [88] Originally by: Alowishus Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah That's why I never return fire even if I lose another ship to it. Hurting other people is immoral. You can't hurt people in a game. In a multiplayer game, you can, even by as simple as using 'jihad' as far as I can tell from that whinethread in general. Originally by: Alowishus This is my last post as you're obviously a troll that is incapable of reason. Bye bye, you won't be missed.
Varly GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.29 04:31:00 - [89] What does CCP say about PVP in Eve? EXPERIENCE AN MMO UNIVERSE LIKE NO OTHER THE MOST INTENSE PvP INTERFACE Award-winning Player-vs-Player, ship-to-ship combat engagements that risk some of the most severe death penalties of any MMO. ---- This is the game CCP advertises. This is the game you are playing. If you are not enjoying the most severe death penalties you were promised, you may enjoy some of the other games mentioned elsewhere in this thread.
Tai Paktu Kiith Paktu Nex Eternus	Posted - 2008.02.29 04:34:00 - [90] I was going to comment on this wall of text followed by whines and flames, but to be completely honest I saw EvE and RL in the same sentence and stopped. __________________________

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