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Macropodder
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Posted - 2008.02.28 21:34:00 -
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I think thats it's high time that CCP changes the rules a bit when it comes to podding pilots. When you have a pilot that is a member of a large corp or alliance who is running missions, who in turn has a high standing because of this, it should not give them the ability to go out and hunt other players (like miners) like they were fish in a barrel. Take for example Fleetbee. A member of the Goonswarm. He has a high standing, yet, he also has a massive kill rate of miners. Has he lost the ability to be in high sec space. No! While I fully realize that EVE is not the real world, it is based on the premise of a society. Well, I would hate to live in a society that lets someone like Fleetbee remain in high sec space when he spends most of his time causing grief to his fellow players and claims it to be a "Holly War against the Infidels" when we have that going on in the real world. To put it plainly, the actions of pilots such as Fleetbee should not only have him podded by CCP, but reduced in security status much faster than he is being reduced. Anyone who prays on other pilots in this manor should be reduced in security status within the state they are committing the crime in much faster than they are. High security status or not. PVP is one thing. But to constantly attack pilots that are not doing PVP, that are not into PVP, is wrong. To call it a Holly War against the Infidels is an insult to every man and woman that has died to provide us with the liberties we have today. I personally have several accounts. The actions of Fleetbee have made me seriously considering if I want to continue playing EVE, because the rules have allowed Punks to start terrorizing players in high sec space because he and his fellow members of the Goonswarm have decided to hunt miners. If the rules governing how quickly you lose the ability to remain in high sec space don't start reflecting the crimes that they are committing, I think that CCP will fid a sudden drop how many paying members they have. I didn't start playing this game to to find the type of activity that my friends have given their very life to protect us from. Yes, it's just a game. But in any civilized space, these types of actions should not be tolerated, no matter how many mission the pilot does for the state. A criminal is a criminal. They should be pushed into low sec space where they can pray on others like themselves. High sec space is where those pilots live, who don't care for the jihad or the Holly War against the infidels. attacking pilots that have not stolen from you should lower your standing rather quickly, regardless of the number of missions you run for the state. Your security status should reflect your criminal actions faster and harder that your mission running does. If you are going to terrorize innocent pilots on a daily bases, then your security status should drop fast and hard with each ship that you destroy. If you have a perfect standing of 10.0, if you start taking out other players, by the 10th ship, you should be reduced to .4 space or below. Let the punishment fit the the crime. If you want to attack other players, your criminal status should progressive for each kill, and it should also be harder to gain security status because of this type of criminal activity. |
Mr Twinkie
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.02.28 21:37:00 -
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i didnt bother to read ur wall of text... sounds like an omg i hate podders or an omg i hate the goons rant... and podding is funnnn... and yet to meet a goon more then passing thru r systems but they seem like a bunch of arses who like to have a good time -----------------
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Bahhs Deep
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Posted - 2008.02.28 21:43:00 -
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OH NOES! Great wall of whine!
Glad I can speed read...
Now we can all agree that there are some mechanics in the game that are
A: Flawed B: Nonrealistic C: Dumb D: All of the above E: No one cares anyways
Or in this case we can say F: 1 in about 1000 care
Sure, they can look into it to try and "fix" it if that's what you think it needs, but realistically they will do better if they take that time and put it towards something that TRULY matters. Such as balancing out some of the ship changes they are planing on...(CoughDeimoscough)
I seriously doubt CCP will do anything about the podding/sec stat for a very long time, and that's IF they do.
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Alowishus
mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.02.28 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: Macropodder But to constantly attack pilots that are not doing PVP, that are not into PVP, is wrong.
No, this statement is wrong. To think that there are any circumstances or personal preferences in Eve where you should not be subject to PvP is wrong. It's not up to others to determine who doesn't want to be involved in PvP, it's up to you to avoid situations you find unfavorable.
Originally by: Macropodder I personally have several accounts. The actions of Fleetbee have made me seriously considering if I want to continue playing EVE
Based on your opinions, I do not believe Eve is the game for you. Expecting the game to change to match your expectations is not reasonable. If you don't like baseball you don't join a team and then try to convince them to play basketball. You had plenty of opportunity to play Eve for free and understand the the game before paid any money.
I wish you had quit before you made this thread.
/makes fart noise
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kublai
Art of War
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Posted - 2008.02.28 21:49:00 -
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.28 21:51:00 -
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I fully agree that people that attack others in high-sec should see their security status drop like a brick in water. It's rediculous that they get concord protection and insurance payout.
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Macropodder
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Posted - 2008.02.28 21:52:00 -
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This thread was created because of the fact that the punishment of podding other pilots does not fit the crime. It's wrong for a pilot to be able to pod over 100 pilots in less than a week and remain in the same secure space. In a real society, they'd be hunted down. The fact that they are able to maintain a high security status by running missions, doesn't balance out the fact that they are committing crimes.
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Alowishus
mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.02.28 22:00:00 -
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You can go from +5 to -9.9 in one day. Quit your whining.
/makes fart noise
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.28 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus You can go from +5 to -9.9 in one day. Quit your whining.
It would be more reasonable when it went that after one highsec podkill.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.28 22:05:00 -
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I'm up to -6.4 \/
Takes a while to get sec status back up when Band of Jackholes keeps making me have to stop in order to shoo away their impotent attacks in their feeble attempts to drive us out of Delve
Originally by: Avaricia look a goon lol
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Alowishus
mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.02.28 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Alowishus You can go from +5 to -9.9 in one day. Quit your whining.
It would be more reasonable when it went that after one highsec podkill.
I don't think that's reasonable. I've seen people accidentally pod kill someone before. What happens to them? They get relegated to 0.4 because their cat walked on their keyboard when they had smartbombs fitted?
Just admit you're one of those touchy carebears who doesn't realize they're in the wrong game.
/makes fart noise
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.28 22:13:00 -
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Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 28/02/2008 22:14:21
Originally by: Alowishus I don't think that's reasonable. I've seen people accidentally pod kill someone before. What happens to them? They get relegated to 0.4 because their cat walked on their keyboard when they had smartbombs fitted?
Just admit you're one of those touchy carebears who doesn't realize they're in the wrong game.
They can petition some GMs and explain before the court why they killed some innocents and pay reparations to the victims. Otherwise they can rot in lowsec where murderous vermin belongs.
I think it's time for some real CONSEQUENCE for criminal behaviour. Jailtime, statloss, no insurance, whatever it takes to stomp out this antisocial behaviour. They can do what they want in 0.0, but don't expect us to pay for their bull in Empire space!
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Alowishus
mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.02.28 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Alowishus I don't think that's reasonable. I've seen people accidentally pod kill someone before. What happens to them? They get relegated to 0.4 because their cat walked on their keyboard when they had smartbombs fitted?
Just admit you're one of those touchy carebears who doesn't realize they're in the wrong game.
They can petition some GMs and explain before the court why they killed some innocents, otherwise they can rot in lowsec where murderous vermin belongs.
I think it's time for some real CONSEQUENCE for criminal behaviour. Jailtime, statloss, no insurance, whatever it takes to stomp out this antisocial behaviour. They can do what they want in 0.0, but don't expect us to pay for their bull in Empire space!
First of all, the GMs will not reimburse for human error, ever, even if you tell them you're disabled and your hands are deformed.
Secondly, you simply do not understand Eve and should just stop playing. Please.
/makes fart noise
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Hunter Nay
Minmatar Hunter Group
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Posted - 2008.02.28 22:20:00 -
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How come whenever some1 goes on a rant and threatens they are goin to quit eve, they have several accounts? Doesnt ne1 own 1 account? Goin off these number eve is played by a handful of people and we are all alts.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.28 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus First of all, the GMs will not reimburse for human error, ever, even if you tell them you're disabled and your hands are deformed.
Secondly, you simply do not understand Eve and should just stop playing. Please.
I was being ironic when I said that, in case you didn't notice. Obviously you didn't. Like I said, criminal behaviour should have consequence, and podkills in Empire space should result in extreme Security Status loss, even if they happen by accident.
If you don't understand that podkilling is criminal behaviour and should have severe reprecussions, maybe Highsec isn't for you.
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.02.28 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny I'm up to -6.4 \/
I made -4.7 and gave up again
I love when people come to whine on C&P... it's rather counter productive ------------
Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
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M'ing Pai
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2008.02.28 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah string of whine, I want the game to change for me
This is the game for you, my friend:
the game Ankhesentapemka should really be playing
Please go there, where it's nice and fluffy and no one ever gets killed by anyone else. Most of us like Eve the way it is, hence our continued subscriptions.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.28 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: M'ing Pai Please go there, where it's nice and fluffy and no one ever gets killed by anyone else. Most of us like Eve the way it is, hence our continued subscriptions.
The only ones whining are you people that think its perfectly fine to kill, *****and pillage in areas that are supposed to be lawful.
You can do whatever you want in 0.0, so why not stay there and stop whining that you want to kill, *****and pillage in Highsec when CCP already has made a place that caters to your needs.
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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge XIII Legio
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Posted - 2008.02.28 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Macropodder ...Anyone who prays on other pilots in this manor should be reduced in security status within the state they are committing the crime in much faster than they are....
I enjoyed the irony of this typo considering they are in jihad against miners!
Anyways, lame whine aside, this game isn't for you, high sec space isn't totally safe space - yadda yadda. The pilots on this board have had far worse happen to them and they DON'T CARE.
I'd ask for your stuff but its lame miner crap which would be useless to me.
Less whiner miners = Less inflation! __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
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Alowishus
mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.02.28 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah If you don't understand that podkilling is criminal behaviour and should have severe reprecussions, maybe Highsec isn't for you.
Well let's see, you take a sec status hit and you lose a ship expensive enough that it survives long enough to kill a person's ship, lock their pod and then destroy it. Sounds severe enough to me. Unless you're AFK mining/hauling or doing some other form of unintended metagaming it's pretty easy to escape with your pod so I think it's pretty well balanced.
Obviously, I don't go to high sec, ever and I'm happy for that, so my opinion is clearly not biased like yours is. Sounds like you weren't playing very smart and suffered the consequences and now you're upset about it.
/makes fart noise
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Cygnus Scott
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.28 22:33:00 -
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Real easy solution. After your sec status hits -5 say 10 times you start losing the ability to regain sec status. So once you hit -5 the 11th time you can no longer get to 10 rating but only to a 9. On the 12th time you hit -5 it drops to 8, and so on until you are permanently at -10. That's a lot of leeway to misbehave, and hey you can still do as you please but have to accept the consequences.
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Zedrik Cayne
Gallente Session9 Rising Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.28 22:34:00 -
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Um..First to say it.
Can I have your stuff? --
Remember: Carebears aren't people. They are giant flying pi±atas.
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Alowishus
mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.02.28 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah The only ones whining are you people that think its perfectly fine to kill, *****and pillage in areas that are supposed to be lawful.
High sec is lawful, but it's not entirely safe, hence the consequences for people who commit crimes, but also those stupid enough to be victims. There is no safe place in Eve, just like real life. If I go to the ghetto I can be mugged, killed, whatever, just like 0.0. But even if I choose to live in a gated community with 24/7 security it doesn't mean I shouldn't lock my doors at night, or that nobody will ever be cunning enough to break in.
If you want to play a game that further departs from reality, there are games out there for you, Eve just isn't it.
/makes fart noise
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.28 22:44:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah If you don't understand that podkilling is criminal behaviour and should have severe reprecussions, maybe Highsec isn't for you.
Well let's see, you take a sec status hit and you lose a ship expensive enough that it survives long enough to kill a person's ship, lock their pod and then destroy it. Sounds severe enough to me.
Ah, but no, they get insurance payout so it only costs them the basic insurance price and the price for their fittings, which are usually quite crappy and cheap anyway on a suicide ship. And since they can do it again and again and again, I'd say the security hit isn't quite high enough.
Originally by: Alowishus Unless you're AFK mining/hauling or doing some other form of unintended metagaming it's pretty easy to escape with your pod so I think it's pretty well balanced.
I really don't have a problem with them shooting up botters and whatnot, but since they're destroying mining vessels of real people that are at the keyboard as well, I really think something needs to be done about it.
Originally by: Alowishus Obviously, I don't go to high sec, ever and I'm happy for that, so my opinion is clearly not biased like yours is. Sounds like you weren't playing very smart and suffered the consequences and now you're upset about it.
Well, I don't go to low sec, so my opinion is just as 'unbiassed' as yours. And no, I didn't lose anything to these guys yet, the last time I lost a ship was almost a year ago (which was also the last time I went to lowsec), I've been happily missionrunning in obscure systems ever since. I don't harm anyone else, so I expect to be left unharmed as well. Carebear? You'll have trouble finding anyone more carebear than me. Any problem with that?
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Alowishus
mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.02.28 22:44:00 -
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Originally by: Cygnus Scott Real easy solution. After your sec status hits -5 say 10 times you start losing the ability to regain sec status. So once you hit -5 the 11th time you can no longer get to 10 rating but only to a 9. On the 12th time you hit -5 it drops to 8, and so on until you are permanently at -10. That's a lot of leeway to misbehave, and hey you can still do as you please but have to accept the consequences.
What if I want a career change? What if after you mine so many roids you can never fit anything other than mining lasers?
What if I sell my char? Should the new owner not be able to get their sec status up because of things I did?
It's just a game. People who get so upset about an internet space game are obviously antisocial psychopathic virgins.
/makes fart noise
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Alowishus
mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.02.28 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I don't harm anyone else, so I expect to be left unharmed as well.
Sorry, this idealistic, unrealistic expectation is invalid in just about every aspect of life and I'm terribly sorry that Eve is no exception. Fortunately for you there are other games where this expectation will be fulfilled.
That statement clearly illustrates that you simply don't understand this game and it's not for you.
/makes fart noise
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M'ing Pai
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2008.02.28 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah more whining
Seriously, this isn't the only character/account I play, and I DO have a mining/industrial alt. While playing that account, I've never been suicide ganked. Why? Because I am cautious, and understand that it CAN happen, and prepare for it. The easier target you are, the more likely it is to happen to you.
Can it happen even though I'm cautious? YOU BET. That's part of what makes this game so wonderful: you're never completely safe, no matter WHERE you are. If you think you should be, then I'm sorry, but you're delusional, and are obviously playing the wrong game.
No one is whining and crying here but you. I've lost billions. You don't hear me weeping for a nerf bat.
In closing, either quit crying about the mechanics of the game we all love and learn to adapt, or go play something else.
If you leave, can my alt have your stuff?
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Macropodder
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Posted - 2008.02.28 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Sounds like you weren't playing very smart and suffered the consequences and now you're upset about it.
I sit at my keyboard long enough that my ass hurts. The way these guys are attacking and killing miners you don't have time to respond. So don't sit on your high horse and say this isn't the game I should be playing just because I don't like the fact that I lost a ship. What I don't like is the fact that the punishment doesn't fit the crime. There pilots have taken out over 280 mining ships in the last two weeks last I looked. Now, tell me how the punishment fits the crime? They are all still in high sec space.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.28 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus What if I want a career change? What if after you mine so many roids you can never fit anything other than mining lasers?
Mining roids isn't a crime.
Originally by: Alowishus What if I sell my char? Should the new owner not be able to get their sec status up because of things I did?
"I bought gold and now have a negative balance due to CCP taking action, hey now I can't sell my account off /whine"
Originally by: Alowishus It's just a game. People who get so upset about an internet space game are obviously antisocial psychopathic virgins.
People that use a game to get their enjoyment by frustrating other people definately are antisocial psychopatic virgins
Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I don't harm anyone else, so I expect to be left unharmed as well.
Sorry, this idealistic, unrealistic expectation is invalid in just about every aspect of life and I'm terribly sorry that Eve is no exception. Fortunately for you there are other games where this expectation will be fulfilled.
That statement clearly illustrates that you simply don't understand this game and it's not for you.
In real life, when you're guilty of a crime, you're sent to jail, and definately can't go walk around at the maul mugging more people left and right and have your insurance company replace your gun when the cops take it from you.
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Zedrik Cayne
Gallente Session9 Rising Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.28 22:57:00 -
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Edited by: Zedrik Cayne on 28/02/2008 23:03:51 Edited by: Zedrik Cayne on 28/02/2008 22:58:16
Originally by: Cygnus Scott Real easy solution. After your sec status hits -5 say 10 times you start losing the ability to regain sec status. So once you hit -5 the 11th time you can no longer get to 10 rating but only to a 9. On the 12th time you hit -5 it drops to 8, and so on until you are permanently at -10. That's a lot of leeway to misbehave, and hey you can still do as you please but have to accept the consequences.
This game is about risk, reward, and consequences. But as a part of consequences, its also possible to gain redemption in the eyes of the law.
And the law, is just another corporation like the rest of them. They can be bought off. The judges also realize that 'hey, this guy is really making an effort to get in our good graces, maybe we can let him back into empire'.
Just like an addict, folks may slip. But there is always the hope of redemption and acceptance back into the fold of good galactic citizens.
And we're *pod pilots* for pete's sakes... Gods among the teeming billions of mere mortals. In the entire universe, there are only a few hundred thousand of us. Trading, manufacturing, making the universe better so your relatives can watch holoreels and drive fancy cars and eat crab legs. Without us the universe falls into barbarism. So we get to be above the law. It's why we are afforded cloning technology that is well beyond the means of most planet bound worms. And why killing one of us in space is not a problem. Because you get to wake up with your personality intact, and continue on. Nothing is lost by your death in space. Nothing that a planetary justice system would take note of anyhow.
Life's not fair. Get over it. EvE is even less fair. The gentlemen in question have accepted the consequences...and paid their dues, grinding their security status over weeks to get back to the point where they can once again wreak havoc in the paradise you like to call Empire. We like to call it our playground.
<edit> Jeez..rant-a-riffic </edit> --
Remember: Carebears aren't people. They are giant flying pi±atas.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.28 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: Zedrik Cayne
And we're *pod pilots* for pete's sakes... Gods among the teeming billions of mere mortals. In the entire universe, there are only a few hundred thousand of us. Trading, manufacturing, making the universe better so your relatives can watch holoreels and drive fancy cars and eat crab legs. Without us the universe falls into barbarism. So we get to be above the law.
Exactly, and somehow pod pilots are just left on the loose and act as if they're frustrated teenagers, pillaging and murdering, turning their backs on their mentors, betraying their own society, and forgetting their responsibilities.
You'd say that at least the Amarr would Vitoc each and every one of their pod pilots, to insure their absolute loyalty and obedience to the Emperor and the Holders. You'd think that the Gallente Federation would rigorously imprint their morals on their pilots as part of their year long training. You'd think that the best of the Minmatar get the chance to become pilots, and that they would not forget that they once lived as slaves to the reign of terror that the Amarr inflicted on their people. You'd think that the powerful Caldari corporations offer great benefits for the loyalty of their pilots, and make an example of those that betray them.
None of all that, instead most pod pilots are the filth of society, irrational, immoral and/or unstable infantile ******s that just want their next dose of short-term satisfaction on the expense of everyone else.
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Alowishus
mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.02.28 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Mining roids isn't a crime.
Either way, I don't think anything I do in Eve should affect my ability to explore any other aspect of the game if I eventually choose to do that.
Originally by: Alowishus "I bought gold and now have a negative balance due to CCP taking action, hey now I can't sell my account off /whine"
Selling characters for ISK is a perfectly legal and common practice so I'm not sure what you're talking about. Your comment about gold certainly is a tell tail indicator of a WoW transplant though, much like your other comments about Eve.
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah People that use a game to get their enjoyment by frustrating other people definately are antisocial psychopatic virgins
I don't believe any game should ever be frustrating. If a video game is able to cause you such frustration I think you're the one with the problem.
Quote: In real life, when you're guilty of a crime, you're sent to jail, and definately can't go walk around at the mall mugging more people left and right and have your insurance company replace your gun when the cops take it from you.
In real life you also don't get blown to bits when you're spotted doing something illegal. Plus you don't fly space ships either. Eve has some parallels with real life but it's not a duplicate. Sorry, I'm not going to pay $14.95 a month to be a Systems Manager like I am in real life.
The fact of the matter is that nowhere in Eve is safe, except a station. There are, however, consequences for your actions. They aren't that severe because it's just a game. If I could "go to jail", so to speak, or not be allowed to undock, why would I even pay a subscription for that? You're forgetting that Eve is a business. Things make sense if you realize that:
1) Eve is a PvP game. 2) Eve is based on reality as we know it because, well, it's hard for our brains to escape that, but it's not identical to it (I really hope that's obvious by all the space ships and lasers). 3) CCP is a business and the mechanics of the game, including consequences for actions within the realm of the EULA, are going to be based on that. Eve is not going to lock someone out of any game mechanic permanently for pod killing you in highsec, that'd be bad for business. 4) Nowhere in Eve is safe. 5) Nobody is expected to know if you do or don't want PvP and you should expect the former conclusion as Eve is intended to be a game dominated by PvP. 6) You're responsible for your own safety at all times. Nobody else is. 7) Most people are happy the way Eve is. Why should we change to appease you? 8) The rules of the game are clearly defined. Nobody is forcing you to play. If you don't like core aspects of Eve then by all means quit. 9) Everyone can play the game how they see fit, within the rules. It's not up to you to tell people where they can "*****and pillage", it's up to CCP and they decided that's ok in Highsec. 10) It's just a game.
/makes fart noise
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Cygnus Scott
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.28 23:19:00 -
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Originally by: Zedrik Cayne Edited by: Zedrik Cayne on 28/02/2008 23:03:51 Edited by: Zedrik Cayne on 28/02/2008 22:58:16
Originally by: Cygnus Scott Real easy solution. After your sec status hits -5 say 10 times you start losing the ability to regain sec status. So once you hit -5 the 11th time you can no longer get to 10 rating but only to a 9. On the 12th time you hit -5 it drops to 8, and so on until you are permanently at -10. That's a lot of leeway to misbehave, and hey you can still do as you please but have to accept the consequences.
This game is about risk, reward, and consequences. But as a part of consequences, its also possible to gain redemption in the eyes of the law.
And the law, is just another corporation like the rest of them. They can be bought off. The judges also realize that 'hey, this guy is really making an effort to get in our good graces, maybe we can let him back into empire'.
Just like an addict, folks may slip. But there is always the hope of redemption and acceptance back into the fold of good galactic citizens.
And we're *pod pilots* for pete's sakes... Gods among the teeming billions of mere mortals. In the entire universe, there are only a few hundred thousand of us. Trading, manufacturing, making the universe better so your relatives can watch holoreels and drive fancy cars and eat crab legs. Without us the universe falls into barbarism. So we get to be above the law. It's why we are afforded cloning technology that is well beyond the means of most planet bound worms. And why killing one of us in space is not a problem. Because you get to wake up with your personality intact, and continue on. Nothing is lost by your death in space. Nothing that a planetary justice system would take note of anyhow.
Life's not fair. Get over it. EvE is even less fair. The gentlemen in question have accepted the consequences...and paid their dues, grinding their security status over weeks to get back to the point where they can once again wreak havoc in the paradise you like to call Empire. We like to call it our playground.
<edit> Jeez..rant-a-riffic </edit>
LOL please.
Grinding a few rats is not consequences. I love how you hypocrites tote the "consequences of EVE" and "Risk vs. Reward" but there is no risk in losing Sec status though piracy whatsoever. You turn around and kill a few rats making millions of isk in the process and its as if you never did anything wrong. That's not consequence, that's "go farm something else for a bit". Throw this in and maybe I'll say grinding rats is consequence, if your status drops below -4.9 then you get zero bounties on rats until you reach a positive status, you're sacrificing the ISK to regain your status.
Nobody is preventing you from doing what you want just attaching real consequences to your actions. The truth is you want risk & consequences for others and not yourself, when someone suggest that you cry, whine, flame, and start bandying the old "carebear" around.
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JeanLuc Rome
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Posted - 2008.02.28 23:20:00 -
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Sorry to break this down for you, Zedrik... I will try my hardest.
Originally by: Zedrik Cayne Edited by: Zedrik Cayne on 28/02/2008 23:03:51 Edited by: Zedrik Cayne on 28/02/2008 22:58:16
Originally by: Cygnus Scott Real easy solution. After your sec status hits -5 say 10 times you start losing the ability to regain sec status. So once you hit -5 the 11th time you can no longer get to 10 rating but only to a 9. On the 12th time you hit -5 it drops to 8, and so on until you are permanently at -10. That's a lot of leeway to misbehave, and hey you can still do as you please but have to accept the consequences.
This game is about risk, reward, and consequences. But as a part of consequences, its also possible to gain redemption in the eyes of the law.
And the law, is just another corporation like the rest of them. They can be bought off. The judges also realize that 'hey, this guy is really making an effort to get in our good graces, maybe we can let him back into empire'.
I don't know under what country laws you are subject to, but any rational earthly law dictates that criminals don't have chance of redeption unless some sort of punishment is experienced. If the world was as you paint it, we would have murderers and rapists out on the streets just by swearing never to do it again. Sorry, law isn't as humanitarian as you think.
Quote: Just like an addict, folks may slip. But there is always the hope of redemption and acceptance back into the fold of good galactic citizens.
Addicts don't get accepted into society without some sort of treatment or rehabilitation. And even though they do slip over and over... and over.... and over again. You know what?... maybe that's where real society is wrong, in accepting people who "slip" too many times for comfort. Why should EVE fall victim of the same mistake the imperfect human society's mistakes. Remember, improvements in EVE's society would be easier to enforce than in real society.
Quote: And we're *pod pilots* for pete's sakes... Gods among the teeming billions of mere mortals. In the entire universe, there are only a few hundred thousand of us. Trading, manufacturing, making the universe better so your relatives can watch holoreels and drive fancy cars and eat crab legs. Without us the universe falls into barbarism. So we get to be above the law. It's why we are afforded cloning technology that is well beyond the means of most planet bound worms. And why killing one of us in space is not a problem. Because you get to wake up with your personality intact, and continue on. Nothing is lost by your death in space. Nothing that a planetary justice system would take note of anyhow.
Ok, I'm sure no one wants to hear this poetic bull****.
Quote: Life's not fair. Get over it. EvE is even less fair. The gentlemen in question have accepted the consequences...and paid their dues, grinding their security status over weeks to get back to the point where they can once again wreak havoc in the paradise you like to call Empire. We like to call it our playground.
True, Eve is not fair, but it's a virtual world, it can be bettered much easily than real society. You like to wreak havoc, your character should, like any criminal in a normal rational society have permanent consequences (rob a bank today, try to get a job 20 years from now and you will mean what I mean by permanent consequences). :)
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Priue Nvidess
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Posted - 2008.02.28 23:20:00 -
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Eve is a PvP game. No matter where you go, you will experience it in one way or another. This is also a game of risk. No matter what you do, every second you are out of your cozy station you are taking a risk. It's just deciding whether or not to take certain risks. If you don't want to get popped, train your skills, get into a large corp that can protect you and mine away. You can also move to a quieter section of space. I personally haven't seen a Goon member since I moved out of 0.0 because I went into a part of Empire that doesn't see high traffic. You only have yourself to blame whenever you lose a ship or pod. When you go pop, you've obviously done something wrong. Nobody has cheated, the game doesn't hate you, you're just not being protective enough of your assets. Now that I have spent WAY too much time replying to your rant, I will go back to my mining and bid you adieu. |
JeanLuc Rome
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.28 23:25:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Alowishus
I don't believe any game should ever be frustrating. If a video game is able to cause you such frustration I think you're the one with the problem.
Obviously you didn't understand her statement. Frustration can be caused by many difference reasons, among them people. Is not the game she is frustrated with, but the people who's play style is not the most honorable or socially correct within the boundaries of an virtual community. With that said, I don't think she is the one that has a problem but instead you. ---------------
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JeanLuc Rome
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.28 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: Priue Nvidess
You only have yourself to blame whenever you lose a ship or pod. When you go pop, you've obviously done something wrong. Nobody has cheated, the game doesn't hate you, you're just not being protective enough of your assets.
You obviously don't know what you we are talking about in this thread. I'll like to invite you to find out what exactly are the tactics GoonFleet is using to pod high sec miners. I would also like to invite you to test how low your hulk would stand an attack from a Brutix with scrambler and faction equipment before 1) you pop, 2) he is popped by Concord.
It takes only 3 shots from a Brutix. My friend there is nothing you can do to account for human error to get you destroyed as you make it sound. ---------------
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M'ing Pai
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2008.02.28 23:36:00 -
[38]
Originally by: JeanLuc Rome
I don't know under what country laws you are subject to, but any rational earthly law dictates that criminals don't have chance of redeption unless some sort of punishment is experienced. If the world was as you paint it, we would have murderers and rapists out on the streets just by swearing never to do it again. Sorry, law isn't as humanitarian as you think.
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True, Eve is not fair, but it's a virtual world, it can be bettered much easily than real society. You like to wreak havoc, your character should, like any criminal in a normal rational society have permanent consequences (rob a bank today, try to get a job 20 years from now and you will mean what I mean by permanent consequences). :)
Two things about what you said, made bold to point out what I think are serious flaws in your argument.
First, that real life, earthly law should somehow found a mirror in a virtual society created to provide high adventure. The entire security status system has nothing at all to do with law as we would normally experience. Concord is a corporation, and security status just reflects a ratio of favors done to crimes committed, nothing more. To say that high security space is supposed to be a place of law and order is, imho, not truly a reflection of the facts.
Secondly, while it is true that virtual societies can be "made better" by an adjustment of the code, who is to say that the finished product is objectively better? You? Me? I suggest you take your visions of utopia elsewhere, as they have no place here.
The developers wanted to create a universe where combat could take place any time, any place, for any reason. I'd say they've succeeded, for the most part, which is why I prefer Eve over any other online game I've ever played.
To say there is no consequence for podding another pilot is rubbish. Pod a few in a row, and see how quickly it becomes impossible for you to travel through Empire. it only takes a few to go from +5 to -2, and then no 1.0 is accessible, and travelling through Empire becomes more complicated. A few more, and you're at -5, and high sec is off limits altogether.
People who say there's no consequence for this type of behavior have obviously never had to grind for sec status when they'd rather be blasting people away in high-sec.
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Alowishus
mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.02.28 23:38:00 -
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Originally by: JeanLuc Rome
Originally by: Alowishus
I don't believe any game should ever be frustrating. If a video game is able to cause you such frustration I think you're the one with the problem.
Obviously you didn't understand her statement. Frustration can be caused by many difference reasons, among them people. Is not the game she is frustrated with, but the people who's play style is not the most honorable or socially correct within the boundaries of an virtual community. With that said, I don't think she is the one that has a problem but instead you.
I don't judge people for their chosen profession in Eve (unless it involves breaking the EULA). It's just a game. If you want to judge people for being smacktards or whiners, or other metagame reasons, that's fine. But the fact is that piracy is an intended part of Eve, like mining or changing sell orders by .01 ISK 1000 times a day. If one of the many ingame professions in Eve is frustrating to you then you are indeed frustrated by a game and should seek immediate help.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.28 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus Either way, I don't think anything I do in Eve should affect my ability to explore any other aspect of the game if I eventually choose to do that.
If I blow up too many Guristas/Sansha/BloodRaider, I'll be PERMANENTLY unable to do missions for them or raise my standing in any way, and there currently is no way to set that right either.
Originally by: Alowishus Selling characters for ISK is a perfectly legal and common practice so I'm not sure what you're talking about. Your comment about gold certainly is a tell tail indicator of a WoW transplant though, much like your other comments about Eve.
Yes and? If you sell a character that did something bad, then you have to inform the buyer, and the buyer is responsible if he accepts. So I see no reason why character trading should prevent some harsh consequences for crimes being put in place.
And no, I don't play WoW (anymore), it's a boring, predicatable and repetetive game and I'm forced to play in groups if I want the endgame stuff. I've been playing Eve for almost 5 years, Ultima Online for 8.5 years, and Guild Wars for 3 years if you include the beta, compared to WoW's meager 1 year.
Originally by: Alowishus I don't believe any game should ever be frustrating. If a video game is able to cause you such frustration I think you're the one with the problem.
Eve isn't frustrating, but people have many ways to frustrate you, and game mechanics aren't going to prevent everything. Even in no-pvp WoW servers, there are plenty of ways to grief and harrass other players.
Originally by: Alowishus In real life you also don't get blown to bits when you're spotted doing something illegal.
Pull a gun and start shooting people at the mall and see how long you last. We were talking about pod killing here, not petty ore theft, for which Concord doesn't shoot your ship to bits either.
Originally by: Alowishus Plus you don't fly space ships either. Eve has some parallels with real life but it's not a duplicate. Sorry, I'm not going to pay $14.95 a month to be a Systems Manager like I am in real life.
I'm not asking you to, at all. You can have your fun, just like me. All I'm saying is that it is stupid that known, repeated offenders get concord protection and insurance payout and are free to continue their crimes.
In Ultima Online, murders used to be subject to: * Outlaw status, everyone could attack a murderer anywhere and actually got a reward in the form of fame and karma if they managed to do so. * Inability to travel to towns, guards would kill murderers on sight. * Statloss, murderers would permanently lose stats if they were killed, which took time to retrain. * No res, most healers would refuse to resurrect criminals, who were forced to walk all the way to shrines or had to find other criminals able to resurrect them.
I'm not asking for a 'Trammel' (no non-consentual pvp) ruleset, I'm merely asking for some CONSEQUENCES for crimes being committed in Highsec. After all, if you don't like it, you can go to 0.0. Where can we Highsec players go if we don't want to be subject to griefers that just get away with their crimes?
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Alowishus
mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.02.28 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: Cygnus Scott Grinding a few rats is not consequences.
In some societies you can work off your debt to society. Such is the case in Eve. Do a little piracy and get in trouble with CONCORD? Kill a few thousand other pirates and your debt is paid. It may not be ideal for you, there's a lot of real life criminals that I think should be tortured and executed, instead they get paroled. Fortunately I can vote for change. But Eve is not a democracy. CCP are dictators and they make the laws and decide the consequences. You may be able to bend their ear but don't count on it as this whine has been going on for at least the four years I've been playing. Whatever you do, don't feel you're entitled to expect certain things of the justice system in Eve, you don't have that right, sorry.
Secondly, there are permanent marks on known pirates. Look at my employment history. October Snow Corp and Muffin Factory are two of the most notorious pirate corps in Eve, ever. I am often blacklisted from joining certain corps and actually this does affect my ability to raise my sec status as many of the entities that control the best ratting regions don't like me. This is not a whine. I fully understood this when I decided to become a pirate. The chance for redemption does exist but it's made more complex by my employment history which I can't escape.
Third, no matter what I do with Alowishus, I have a few alts with just as much skill that never have to suffer the consequences of the actions of Alowishus. Only a handful of people know who these alts are and they probably don't even remember anyway. What's the point of all these additional consequences you propose when they're so easily thwarted?
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M'ing Pai
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2008.02.28 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I'm not asking for a 'Trammel' (no non-consentual pvp) ruleset, I'm merely asking for some CONSEQUENCES for crimes being committed in Highsec. After all, if you don't like it, you can go to 0.0. Where can we Highsec players go if we don't want to be subject to griefers that just get away with their crimes?
Jeebus...
If the guy can manage to not only kill you, but podkill you as well before getting his ship vaporized by Concord, I'd have to say he lost millions in equipment, just like you. You're saying those aren't consequences?
Please click on the link I provided earlier. That game is more to your liking, I promise. It boasts a nice, friendly atmosphere, everything Eve isn't supposed to be
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Berrik Radhok
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.28 23:59:00 -
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All you whining carebears can suck it. Nothing stops you from setting us negative and then safespotting + cloak when one of us appears in local.
The only reason you want changes is that you're too lazy to do anything to save yourself.
A number of countermeasures immediately spring to mind...
-Stay aligned so you can instantly warp out if someone enters the belt. -Fit stabs so you can get away from one person scrambling you. -Fit a cloak in your highs so you can safespot and cloak if someone nasty and evil shows up.
Now that I think of it, that's *gasp* why, that's what those of us in 0.0 do!
If you won't take responsibility for protecting yourself, then you can go on being prey. All of us here get a good laugh at reading these pathetic whines on the forums.
Being podded is no big deal. If you're stupid enough to not update your clone or keep expensive implants you don't need in when you're in space, that's your own fault. If you're too slow to get your pod away, that's your fault too. It's not hard-- when your ship is low, click a celestial object, and when you go boom, jam on the warp button and you go zipping away. Unlike in 0.0, you don't even need to worry about dictor bubbles.
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JeanLuc Rome
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.29 00:01:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Alowishus
I don't judge people for their chosen profession in Eve (unless it involves breaking the EULA). It's just a game. If you want to judge people for being smacktards or whiners, or other metagame reasons, that's fine. But the fact is that piracy is an intended part of Eve, like mining or changing sell orders by .01 ISK 1000 times a day. If one of the many ingame professions in Eve is frustrating to you then you are indeed frustrated by a game and should seek immediate help.
Buddy, re-read her post and mine, read it 100 times more.. and then you'll see that what you are talking about, none of us were. Professions or not professions, you were bashing on her for getting frustrated with the game, something which she wasn't. ---------------
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JeanLuc Rome
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.29 00:07:00 -
[45]
Originally by: M'ing Pai
If the guy can manage to not only kill you, but podkill you as well before getting his ship vaporized by Concord, I'd have to say he lost millions in equipment, just like you. You're saying those aren't consequences?
Please click on the link I provided earlier. That game is more to your liking, I promise. It boasts a nice, friendly atmosphere, everything Eve isn't supposed to be
Son, Utopia? you drugged or something. Such thing won't ever exist while humans exist. Don't come here putting liberal words in my mouth, or trying to drive people out of the game. After all, it's not your game
Besides we all know you are endorsing Hello Kitty Online because you play there :) ---------------
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Alowishus
mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.02.29 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Where can we Highsec players go if we don't want to be subject to griefers
First, the term "griefer" does not apply in Eve when playing within the EULA and outside the EULA it's known as harassment, not griefing. This has been stated by the GMs. Thus the term does not valid for use in this discussion unless you are speaking of someone who has broken the rules, in which case you can file a petition.
Secondly there is one place you can go if you don't agree with the clearly defined goals of Eve: Another game.
The main themes I see in these arguments are that the people on one side are usually happy with the game mechanics, even if they do something stupid which results in an unexpected outcome. These people often have a very good understanding of the EULA and game mechanics and can readily distinguish the game from the metagame. On the other side are the people who are unhappy, don't understand the EULA, don't listen to the Devs and their goals for the game, don't know game mechanics that well and can't distinguish the game from the metagame. These people never take personal responsibility for their safety, are entitlement minded and want heavy and unrealistic metagame consiquences for in game crimes.
Guess which side you appear to be on.
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Alowishus
mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.02.29 00:13:00 -
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Edited by: Alowishus on 29/02/2008 00:13:41
Originally by: Berrik Radhok The only reason you want changes is that you're too lazy to do anything to save yourself.
This is it exactly. Some people, simply, are too stupid, impatient and lazy to protect themselves. They're also entitlement minded. They expect the game to be changed and CCP to dole out all sorts of consequences for players who merely take advantage of people without the sense to prevent their own peril. Period. End of story.
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Selbstopfer
Mutually Assured Distraction
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Posted - 2008.02.29 00:18:00 -
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hahaha this is classic, carebear tears sustain me
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.02.29 00:18:00 -
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Originally by: Macropodder
I think thats it's high time that CCP changes the rules a bit when it comes to podding pilots. When you have a pilot that is a member of a large corp or alliance who is running missions, who in turn has a high standing because of this, it should not give them the ability to go out and hunt other players (like miners) like they were fish in a barrel. Take for example Fleetbee. A member of the Goonswarm. He has a high standing, yet, he also has a massive kill rate of miners. Has he lost the ability to be in high sec space. No! While I fully realize that EVE is not the real world, it is based on the premise of a society. Well, I would hate to live in a society that lets someone like Fleetbee remain in high sec space when he spends most of his time causing grief to his fellow players and claims it to be a "Holly War against the Infidels" when we have that going on in the real world. To put it plainly, the actions of pilots such as Fleetbee should not only have him podded by CCP, but reduced in security status much faster than he is being reduced. Anyone who prays on other pilots in this manor should be reduced in security status within the state they are committing the crime in much faster than they are. High security status or not. PVP is one thing. But to constantly attack pilots that are not doing PVP, that are not into PVP, is wrong. To call it a Holly War against the Infidels is an insult to every man and woman that has died to provide us with the liberties we have today. I personally have several accounts. The actions of Fleetbee have made me seriously considering if I want to continue playing EVE, because the rules have allowed Punks to start terrorizing players in high sec space because he and his fellow members of the Goonswarm have decided to hunt miners. If the rules governing how quickly you lose the ability to remain in high sec space don't start reflecting the crimes that they are committing, I think that CCP will fid a sudden drop how many paying members they have. I didn't start playing this game to to find the type of activity that my friends have given their very life to protect us from. Yes, it's just a game. But in any civilized space, these types of actions should not be tolerated, no matter how many mission the pilot does for the state. A criminal is a criminal. They should be pushed into low sec space where they can pray on others like themselves. High sec space is where those pilots live, who don't care for the jihad or the Holly War against the infidels. attacking pilots that have not stolen from you should lower your standing rather quickly, regardless of the number of missions you run for the state. Your security status should reflect your criminal actions faster and harder that your mission running does. If you are going to terrorize innocent pilots on a daily bases, then your security status should drop fast and hard with each ship that you destroy. If you have a perfect standing of 10.0, if you start taking out other players, by the 10th ship, you should be reduced to .4 space or below. Let the punishment fit the the crime. If you want to attack other players, your criminal status should progressive for each kill, and it should also be harder to gain security status because of this type of criminal activity.
Because of you I now actively support the goonswarm in this activity.
Go goonies!
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Karyuudo Tydraad
Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services
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Posted - 2008.02.29 00:20:00 -
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Hahaha!
Guys, highsec is supposed to be safer, not absolutely secure.
It was designed to allow for this. It's why CONCORD has a delay before they show up. It'd be simple to put a halt to this, but this sort of gameplay has nothing wrong with it in the eyes of CCP. Law isn't supposed to be absolute in Eve. If you don't like the society a predominately PVP oriented game has, head elsewhere. This game doesn't cater to your ilk.
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jimmyjam
Wise Guys Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2008.02.29 00:23:00 -
[51]
Your idea fails.
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Viktor Speranza
White Wolf Enterprises Harmonious Ascent
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Posted - 2008.02.29 00:25:00 -
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I have not read any responses really so this may of been posted. I did read your giant wall of text. One of the basis behind EvE is PvP. The developers have constantly stated over and over and over again that the creating of any system in this game is based on... well will it be considered PvP? In conclusion there will never be any system implemented, explicitly, to remove the element of PvP. This game is harsh and it should be. I may not agree with GoonSwarm's tactics but I do understand their cause.
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z0de
Gallente The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.02.29 00:25:00 -
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Originally by: Macropodder
The actions of Fleetbee have made me seriously considering if I want to continue playing EVE
Can I have your stuff?
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.02.29 00:30:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Zedrik Cayne
And we're *pod pilots* for pete's sakes... Gods among the teeming billions of mere mortals. In the entire universe, there are only a few hundred thousand of us. Trading, manufacturing, making the universe better so your relatives can watch holoreels and drive fancy cars and eat crab legs. Without us the universe falls into barbarism. So we get to be above the law.
Exactly, and somehow pod pilots are just left on the loose and act as if they're frustrated teenagers, pillaging and murdering, turning their backs on their mentors, betraying their own society, and forgetting their responsibilities.
You'd say that at least the Amarr would Vitoc each and every one of their pod pilots, to insure their absolute loyalty and obedience to the Emperor and the Holders. You'd think that the Gallente Federation would rigorously imprint their morals on their pilots as part of their year long training. You'd think that the best of the Minmatar get the chance to become pilots, and that they would not forget that they once lived as slaves to the reign of terror that the Amarr inflicted on their people. You'd think that the powerful Caldari corporations offer great benefits for the loyalty of their pilots, and make an example of those that betray them.
None of all that, instead most pod pilots are the filth of society, irrational, immoral and/or unstable infantile ******s that just want their next dose of short-term satisfaction on the expense of everyone else.
Damb, I was worried for a while that you didn't get EvE
Now I see that you do!
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.02.29 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: Berrik Radhok All you whining carebears can suck it. Nothing stops you from setting us negative and then safespotting + cloak when one of us appears in local.
The only reason you want changes is that you're too lazy to do anything to save yourself.
A number of countermeasures immediately spring to mind...
-Stay aligned so you can instantly warp out if someone enters the belt. -Fit stabs so you can get away from one person scrambling you. -Fit a cloak in your highs so you can safespot and cloak if someone nasty and evil shows up.
Now that I think of it, that's *gasp* why, that's what those of us in 0.0 do!
If you won't take responsibility for protecting yourself, then you can go on being prey. All of us here get a good laugh at reading these pathetic whines on the forums.
Being podded is no big deal. If you're stupid enough to not update your clone or keep expensive implants you don't need in when you're in space, that's your own fault. If you're too slow to get your pod away, that's your fault too. It's not hard-- when your ship is low, click a celestial object, and when you go boom, jam on the warp button and you go zipping away. Unlike in 0.0, you don't even need to worry about dictor bubbles.
Judging by the people who complain about your activities, I'd say that you're hitting the right targets.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.29 00:35:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus First, the term "griefer" does not apply in Eve when playing within the EULA and outside the EULA it's known as harassment, not griefing. This has been stated by the GMs. Thus the term does not valid for use in this discussion unless you are speaking of someone who has broken the rules, in which case you can file a petition.
As I'm a game designer myself, I know perfectly well what griefing is and when I can and cannot use this term. Its an universally accepted term for using the established game mechanics to conduct harmful actions on other players for personal enjoyment, and in this case it meets the criterium of not giving any direct material reward, but that the griefer just performs his actions for the sake of ruining the other player's game play, and somehow derrives satisfaction from that fact alone. In Eve, forms of griefing are accepted, perfectly legal, and even part of the game, but it still remains griefing.
Originally by: Alowishus Secondly there is one place you can go if you don't agree with the clearly defined goals of Eve: Another game.
The main themes I see in these arguments are that the people on one side are usually happy with the game mechanics, even if they do something stupid which results in an unexpected outcome. These people often have a very good understanding of the EULA and game mechanics and can readily distinguish the game from the metagame. On the other side are the people who are unhappy, don't understand the EULA, don't listen to the Devs and their goals for the game, don't know game mechanics that well and can't distinguish the game from the metagame. These people never take personal responsibility for their safety, are entitlement minded and want heavy and unrealistic metagame consiquences for in game crimes.
Guess which side you appear to be on.
As I've already said, and I'm sure you read that post, I've already lost many ships (nothing recently, fortunately), and I didn't whine about it then. It happens, it's part of the game, I'm not upset about that. Yes, the devs have said that suicide killing is a legal tactic. However, I do not think that they ever imagined or intended that they were used on a large scale, and that they had so little consequence and risk on the offenders. Just what if, what if, Goon would somehow conquer all of 0.0, and then launched a terror campaign to destroy everything non-Goon in Highsec too? Yeah, allowed by the game mechanics. Probably not thought of when those game mechanics were designed and tested.
Anyway, let's just see how long it takes for CCP to make some adjustments to the ruleset, I think Goonswarm will only make Highsec safer in the long run, as game mechanics WILL get adjusted when this nonsense gets out of hand, as it has been in the past.
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JeanLuc Rome
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.29 00:36:00 -
[57]
No one here is asking for Insta-Kill Super Concord on steroids... even though that would be cool to watch
This Jihad Campaign from Goonfleet just brought up to the attention something that is overdue... HARSHER CONSEQUENCES, that's all ---------------
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Dianeces
Minmatar Repo Industries
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Posted - 2008.02.29 00:45:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
and in this case it meets the criterium of not giving any direct material reward
They get to loot the burning carcasses of your shattered cardboard-thin mining barges. Seems like material reward to me.
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Dianeces
Minmatar Repo Industries
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Posted - 2008.02.29 00:54:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Dianeces
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
and in this case it meets the criterium of not giving any direct material reward
They get to loot the burning carcasses of your shattered cardboard-thin mining barges. Seems like material reward to me.
Like that really gives much loot.
There are far more efficient ways of making money and far better targets to suicide gank, juicy freighters full of shiny minerals, ships carrying blueprints, all that.
Did I mention they get to see sweet, sweet pubbie tears if they continue to do this? Also, who cares if there are more efficient ways of making isk? You stated there was no material benefit, I proved that false, and now you're trying to brush it off.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.29 01:02:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Dianeces Did I mention they get to see sweet, sweet pubbie tears if they continue to do this? Also, who cares if there are more efficient ways of making isk? You stated there was no material benefit, I proved that false, and now you're trying to brush it off.
If you continue being such a nitpicker, I'll rephrase that to no 'significant' material reward, instead of arguing with you.
Happy?
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Mike Huckabee
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.02.29 01:04:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Dianeces
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
and in this case it meets the criterium of not giving any direct material reward
They get to loot the burning carcasses of your shattered cardboard-thin mining barges. Seems like material reward to me.
Like that really gives much loot.
There are far more efficient ways of making money and far better targets to suicide gank, juicy freighters full of shiny minerals, ships carrying blueprints, all that.
There is more to Eve than money.
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Zorlag
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.29 01:05:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Dianeces Did I mention they get to see sweet, sweet pubbie tears if they continue to do this? Also, who cares if there are more efficient ways of making isk? You stated there was no material benefit, I proved that false, and now you're trying to brush it off.
If you continue being such a nitpicker, I'll rephrase that to no 'significant' material reward, instead of arguing with you.
Happy?
I'm making money and having fun blowing barges up, what else would I want?
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.29 01:07:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Zorlag I'm making money and having fun blowing barges up, what else would I want?
If you make money with these tactics, then that's definately an indication for CCP to add some DRASTIC consequences to these criminal acts.
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Dianeces
Minmatar Repo Industries
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Posted - 2008.02.29 01:07:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Zorlag
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Dianeces Did I mention they get to see sweet, sweet pubbie tears if they continue to do this? Also, who cares if there are more efficient ways of making isk? You stated there was no material benefit, I proved that false, and now you're trying to brush it off.
If you continue being such a nitpicker, I'll rephrase that to no 'significant' material reward, instead of arguing with you.
Happy?
I'm making money and having fun blowing barges up, what else would I want?
Apparently you're supposed to want more money.
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Lorzion
Minmatar IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.02.29 01:24:00 -
[65]
Originally by: M'ing Pai
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah string of whine, I want the game to change for me
This is the game for you, my friend:
the game Ankhesentapemka should really be playing
Please go there, where it's nice and fluffy and no one ever gets killed by anyone else. Most of us like Eve the way it is, hence our continued subscriptions.
i actualy got accepted to the beta for that
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Atomos Darksun
Infortunatus Eventus
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Posted - 2008.02.29 01:37:00 -
[66]
Edited by: Atomos Darksun on 29/02/2008 01:38:13 ............... _@@@__ ......_____//____?__\________ - ---o--------FORUM-POLICE-@) -----` --(@)======+====(@)--
previously stolen from blackgunz who stole it from eat-the-cheese, who stole it from TheSoulSurvivor, who stole it from Styfermon Dear: Ankhesentapemkah + Macropodder You are a(n): [x] Nub [x] Lamer [x] AOLer [x] Self righteous goit [ ] Pervert [x] Geek [x] Spammer [x] Nerd [ ] Elvis [ ] Warcryer [x] Freak [ ] Scientologist [ ] Socialist [ ] Bible-thumper [x] Anonymous coward [ ] Fightclubber (alleged) [ ] Fightclubber (known - must include evidence) [x] McDonalds employee
You Are Being Flamed Because: [ ] You quoted an ENTIRE post in your reply [ ] You continued a long, stupid thread [ ] You started an off-topic thread [x] You posted "YOU ALL SUCK/THIS SUCKS" message [ ] You said "/sign" to something [ ] You said "/agree" to something [x] You suck [ ] You posted A trade spam message in a server forum [ ] You brag about things that never happened [x] Your sig/alias/name sucks [ ] You made up slang then used it in a message [x] I don't like your tone of voice [x] Everyone hates you [x] I think you might be a Chav [x] I think you might be a Pikey (Profession or other) [ ] You posted to more than four threads on different forums simultaneously [ ] You were imposing your religious beliefs on others [x] You posted something really stupid [x] You tried to blame others for your stupidity [x] you incorrectly assumed unwarranted moral or intellectual superiority [x] you are posting an anonymous attack [ ] you used 1337speak and therefore deserve no respect [x] you posted a leaving message without specifiying stuff rights [x] you posted a 1 sided rant [x] you give your profession of [insert profession] a bad name with your views [x] you asked for an i win button [ ] you are using bright large text of varying colours in your posts [x] its fun
To Repent, You Must: [x] Stop flaming people like the Great Flame War of April 1st, 2006. [x] Give up your EVE account [x] Bust up your modem with a hammer and eat it [x] Jump into a bathtub while holding your monitor [x] Actually post something relevant [x] Read the FAQ [x] Be the guest of honor in Lonetrek for a month [x] Print your home phone number in your adverts [x] Give me your stuff [x] Slam your fingers in a desk drawer repeatedly [x] Submit yourself to CCP Navigator for an official beating
In Closing, I'd Like to Say: [x] Bite me [x] Get a life [x] Never post again [x] I pity your dog [ ] Yer momma's so fat/stupid/ugly that etc... [x] Take your crap somewhere else [x] Learn to post or sod off [x] Do us all a favor and crawl into some industrial machinery [x] See how far your tongue will fit into the electric outlet [x] Log in and type /guildremove [x] Kthxbye [x] n00b [x] All of the above
Originally by: Atomos Darksun What's the difference between an alt poster and a leech?
One is a blood sucking parasite, the other is a leech.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.02.29 01:54:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Zorlag I'm making money and having fun blowing barges up, what else would I want?
If you make money with these tactics, then that's definately an indication for CCP to add some DRASTIC consequences to these criminal acts.
You seem to think that blowing up ships is inherently bad.
Given that EvE was started by a bunch of guys who were disappointed when player-killing un Ultima Online was nerfed and decided to start a PvP-focused MMOG where PKing was accepted, normal and encouraged, why on earth would you think that the devs would find your point of view persausive?
EvE specifically includes non-consensual PvP the way baseball includes bats and balls; it's not just a "feature": it's the whole point of the game. Takes the bats and balls out and what you're playing is some kind of tag or something.
Since you're such a hot-shot game developer and all, why not create your own carebeary MMOG to compete with EvE? If there are so many people who think as you do, then it will do very well. I'd wish you every success in this endeavour, I truly would. It's not something I'd play myself, but it could only be good for EvE to have a little competition, as well as an alternative to point persons such as yourself to. And in fact taking out the uniqie points of EvE would make the job a lot easier; you can have sharded servers, instances, zero-PvP zones, tourny PvP, CtF etc etc etc. It wouldn't surprise me if it became considerably more popular than EvE, in fact.
Go to it and best of luck.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.02.29 01:57:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Lorzion
Originally by: M'ing Pai
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah string of whine, I want the game to change for me
This is the game for you, my friend:
the game Ankhesentapemka should really be playing
Please go there, where it's nice and fluffy and no one ever gets killed by anyone else. Most of us like Eve the way it is, hence our continued subscriptions.
i actualy got accepted to the beta for that
You know, there's just got to be a way to pirate in there. There's just gotta be a way...
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.29 02:12:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Malcanis You seem to think that blowing up ships is inherently bad.
That was not my point. I personally HATE blowing up ships, but I don't mind at all that others do it and that's a key feature of this game.
What I do mind is, how many times must I say this, that there are NO CONSEQUENCES to blowing up ships in HIGHSEC. There is insurance payout, and concord protects these people, giving them the initive when they choose to strike.
So, unlike your sig, Concord currently provides neither consequences nor safety. Highsec isn't safe space, never will be, but at this rate it soon won't be any safeR than Lowsec. That indicates something is wrong.
Originally by: Malcanis Given that EvE was started by a bunch of guys who were disappointed when player-killing un Ultima Online was nerfed and decided to start a PvP-focused MMOG where PKing was accepted, normal and encouraged, why on earth would you think that the devs would find your point of view persausive?
Because in UO they took it too far and created Trammel. UO always HAD consequences for being a criminal/murderer though, and there always was the safety of town, where guards actually were effective in protecting the people. In UO there used to be the saying that an item was only safe in your bank box, and the moment you took it out it could be stolen/looted/etc! Again, I don't want Eve to take it too far and turn into Trammel...
Originally by: Malcanis EvE specifically includes non-consensual PvP the way baseball includes bats and balls; it's not just a "feature": it's the whole point of the game. Takes the bats and balls out and what you're playing is some kind of tag or something.
Since you're such a hot-shot game developer and all, why not create your own carebeary MMOG to compete with EvE? If there are so many people who think as you do, then it will do very well. I'd wish you every success in this endeavour, I truly would. It's not something I'd play myself, but it could only be good for EvE to have a little competition, as well as an alternative to point persons such as yourself to. And in fact taking out the uniqie points of EvE would make the job a lot easier; you can have sharded servers, instances, zero-PvP zones, tourny PvP, CtF etc etc etc. It wouldn't surprise me if it became considerably more popular than EvE, in fact.
Go to it and best of luck.
I don't see how this is relevant to the points I raised. I play Eve right now, I have for over 4 years, and I have my say in this matter, its up to CCP if they do anything with it, not up to you.
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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge XIII Legio
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Posted - 2008.02.29 02:24:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
That was not my point. I personally HATE blowing up ships, but I don't mind at all that others do it and that's a key feature of this game.
What I do mind is, how many times must I say this, that there are NO CONSEQUENCES to blowing up ships in HIGHSEC. There is insurance payout, and concord protects these people, giving them the initive when they choose to strike.
So, unlike your sig, Concord currently provides neither consequences nor safety. Highsec isn't safe space, never will be, but at this rate it soon won't be any safeR than Lowsec. That indicates something is wrong.
Please listen to me - you have already been told how to deal with this problem!!!
- Fit warp core stabs - Stay aligned to warp off - Fit a cloak so you can't be scanned or probed out once you warp away
YOU are responsible for not getting blown up!
People mine in hostile territory all the time - AND they've adapted - you in FOUR YEARS have not!
This game involves non-consensual pvp - if you don't think the consequences are high enough, you obviously have never lost sec status and seen how long it takes to get it back high enough!
Quit your whining! __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
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Alowishus
mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.02.29 02:24:00 -
[71]
Edited by: Alowishus on 29/02/2008 02:24:33
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah the griefer just performs his actions for the sake of ruining the other player's game play, and somehow derrives satisfaction from that fact alone.
Everyone I blow up thinks I only did it to derive satisfaction from their suffering.
That's the carebear MO. There's plenty of non-PvPing industrialists who accept things about Eve but what defines a carebear is when they think everyone is "griefing" them. Universally accepted term? Overused, meaningless term. Especially given the game you're playing.
Go ahead hold out for change. I'm sure after four years CCP will finally listen to the tards.
/makes fart noise
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Conq Er
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Posted - 2008.02.29 02:37:00 -
[72]
Edited by: Conq Er on 29/02/2008 02:37:27 So who else is running locator agents on Ankhesentapemkah now? |
Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.29 02:48:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Omarvelous Please listen to me - you have already been told how to deal with this problem!!!
- Fit warp core stabs - Stay aligned to warp off - Fit a cloak so you can't be scanned or probed out once you warp away
YOU are responsible for not getting blown up!
People mine in hostile territory all the time - AND they've adapted - you in FOUR YEARS have not!
This game involves non-consensual pvp - if you don't think the consequences are high enough, you obviously have never lost sec status and seen how long it takes to get it back high enough!
Quit your whining!
And you completely missed the POINT.
This is HIGHSEC, not LOWSEC.
Highsec is supposed to be safeR than lowsec. It is not.
Concord is supposed to provide consequence. It does not.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.29 02:52:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Conq Er Edited by: Conq Er on 29/02/2008 02:37:27 So who else is running locator agents on Ankhesentapemkah now?
If you want my corpse, you can just ASK and it will be given. No need to go through any trouble or lose a ship over it. I'll even throw in some exotic dancers, if you want them.
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duckmonster
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.29 03:11:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Conq Er Edited by: Conq Er on 29/02/2008 02:37:27 So who else is running locator agents on Ankhesentapemkah now?
I ran out of points hunting down people whining in the eve-o general thread :(
Let us know where he hangs out. -----------
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Dramaticus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.29 03:18:00 -
[76]
every thread like this i read im more and more tempted to take a week off 0.0 and head up to empire for some sweet jihadswarm action Please don't use RL pictuers of players in Sig without permission. - WeatherMan |
Berrik Radhok
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.29 03:32:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Omarvelous Please listen to me - you have already been told how to deal with this problem!!!
- Fit warp core stabs - Stay aligned to warp off - Fit a cloak so you can't be scanned or probed out once you warp away
YOU are responsible for not getting blown up!
People mine in hostile territory all the time - AND they've adapted - you in FOUR YEARS have not!
This game involves non-consensual pvp - if you don't think the consequences are high enough, you obviously have never lost sec status and seen how long it takes to get it back high enough!
Quit your whining!
And you completely missed the POINT.
This is HIGHSEC, not LOWSEC.
Highsec is supposed to be safeR than lowsec. It is not.
Concord is supposed to provide consequence. It does not.
Low sec is a lot less safe than Empire, you fool. At least in Empire you won't run into a carrier or mothership.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.02.29 03:34:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
I don't see how this is relevant to the points I raised. I play Eve right now, I have for over 4 years, and I have my say in this matter, its up to CCP if they do anything with it, not up to you.
*sigh*
CONCORD does provide a consequence. Commit a crime, lose your ship.
What you mean is that it doesn't provide enough of a consequence for your liking. That losing a ship isn't such a big deal... yet that losing a ship IS a big deal for the guy that gets ganked. (See a contradiction there BTW?)
I don't see how you can have played EvE for 4 years and somehow failed to apprehend that CCP intend for the primary activity of the players to be to contest against each other. It's easy to get ships, easy to fit them and easy to fight in them.
Your point seems to be "I don't care how CCP intend the game to be, I want my way anyway". There's no arguing with that, because it's not an argument. It's just a demand. Of course, it's about as credible as "I want to play baseball with no bat or ball", and it's getting about as much respect. You say you don't want eve to be like Trammel, whereas CCP have gone to some lengths to make the game exactly like that (disclaimer: I never played UO, so I'm going by your description) - you say "In UO there used to be the saying that an item was only safe in your bank box, and the moment you took it out it could be stolen/looted/etc!" but in EvE there is an equivalent saying: "You agree to PvP when you undock".
"its up to CCP if they do anything with it, not up to you"
Well duh, but I could say the same to you. Obviously we're discussing it amongst ourselves. But if you're going to use that argument, then you really should accept CCP's frequently expressed official and unofficial statements about the kind of game EvE is. And right there in the FAQ: non-consensual PvP. "Pirate" is specifically mentioned as a player career.
Seriously: why play EvE if you don't like non-consensual PvP?
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
Lhyda Souljacker
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Posted - 2008.02.29 03:44:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
And you completely missed the POINT.
This is HIGHSEC, not LOWSEC.
Highsec is supposed to be safeR than lowsec. It is not.
Concord is supposed to provide consequence. It does not.
No YOU completely missed the point. Highsec IS safer than lowsec. CONCORD exists in Highsec to make it safer than lowsec. When I suicide my vexor onto one of your pathetic little mining barges, CONCORD shows up to extract revenge on my ship by blowing it up (here's the consequence (I am pointing it out since you don't seem to be capable of grasping this particular concept), my ship is gone and I'm terribly inconvenienced by a 15 minute timer and some isk loss that I make back quickly if I choose the right targets). This isn't done in lowsec.
If you cant deal with the fact that you either cant tank your ships properly or you cant follow the other directions (aligning, cloak, etc) already presented in this thread, you are incompetent and have no right to complain plus you do not get the mechanics of EVE. Please leave the game or figure out what you're doing wrong (lots of others have, its not hard) and be quiet.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.29 03:50:00 -
[80]
Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 29/02/2008 03:50:52
Originally by: Berrik Radhok Low sec is a lot less safe than Empire, you fool. At least in Empire you won't run into a carrier or mothership.
If I could run into a carrier or mothership, it means I COULD FLY ONE TOO. Fool.
Originally by: Malcanis
*sigh*
CONCORD does provide a consequence. Commit a crime, lose your ship.
What you mean is that it doesn't provide enough of a consequence for your liking. That losing a ship isn't such a big deal... yet that losing a ship IS a big deal for the guy that gets ganked. (See a contradiction there BTW?)
Which is EXACTLY what I've been saying for several pages now, that the security status hit should be increased, and that insurance should be void when concord is involved. *sigh*
Originally by: Malcanis I don't see how you can have played EvE for 4 years and somehow failed to apprehend that CCP intend for the primary activity of the players to be to contest against each other. It's easy to get ships, easy to fit them and easy to fight in them.
Your point seems to be "I don't care how CCP intend the game to be, I want my way anyway". There's no arguing with that, because it's not an argument. It's just a demand. Of course, it's about as credible as "I want to play baseball with no bat or ball", and it's getting about as much respect. You say you don't want eve to be like Trammel, whereas CCP have gone to some lengths to make the game exactly like that (disclaimer: I never played UO, so I'm going by your description) - you say "In UO there used to be the saying that an item was only safe in your bank box, and the moment you took it out it could be stolen/looted/etc!" but in EvE there is an equivalent saying: "You agree to PvP when you undock".
I only agree to PVP when I go to lowsec. Guess where I'm not going? Yeah, some nasty stuff can happen in highsec, but that should be very limited. Right now, it's getting out of hand.
Originally by: Malcanis "its up to CCP if they do anything with it, not up to you"
Well duh, but I could say the same to you. Obviously we're discussing it amongst ourselves. But if you're going to use that argument, then you really should accept CCP's frequently expressed official and unofficial statements about the kind of game EvE is. And right there in the FAQ: non-consensual PvP. "Pirate" is specifically mentioned as a player career.
Seriously: why play EvE if you don't like non-consensual PvP?
Because I like to fly around in spaceships and fit them, because Eve is a nice and complex game, and because I like to gain reputation with NPCs.
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Lhyda Souljacker
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Posted - 2008.02.29 03:53:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
I only agree to PVP when I go to lowsec. Guess where I'm not going? Yeah, some nasty stuff can happen in highsec, but that should be very limited. Right now, it's getting out of hand.
Actually you agree to PVP when you undock.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.29 04:11:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Dianeces
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Berrik Radhok Low sec is a lot less safe than Empire, you fool. At least in Empire you won't run into a carrier or mothership.
If I could run into a carrier or mothership, it means I COULD FLY ONE TOO. Fool.
Please tell me when you get a carrier or mothership. I'd like to be on a comedy killmail.
The moment they can be built and fly around in highsec.
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Lhyda Souljacker
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Posted - 2008.02.29 04:13:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah The moment they can be built and fly around in highsec.
They can already be built and flown around in highsec. CCP doesn't like it but it's possible.
Also, you've been playing for four years and didn't know this?
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Alowishus
mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.02.29 04:15:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Lhyda Souljacker Actually you agree to PVP when you undock.
This is the part of the social contract (of Eve) that people seem to miss.
/makes fart noise
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.29 04:16:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Malcanis The irony of that post is amazing, since "whine about it, and stick your fingers in your ears shouting lalala" is exactly your position. See the great thing about that "non-consensual" part is even if you don't agree that you've agreed, you have still agreed anyway.
That's why I never return fire even if I lose another ship to it. Hurting other people is immoral.
Originally by: Malcanis If CCP intended for hi-sec to be safe, they could very simply have made it impossible to lock other players in hi-sec. Simple as that. Ta-dah! Problem solved with a simple variable, about as difficult to program as 10 PRINT "HELLO WORLD". But oh look, they didn't. You can whine about that, stick your fingers in your ears and chant lalala, but there the fact is.
And that's why it's so great that Goonswarm is showing the problems with the current system. I'm sure this will be fixed eventually.
Originally by: Malcanis Anyway by now I've concluded that you're either a troll or an idiot, or possibly both. However, I've added you to my address book, since your stubborn refusal to deal with reality indicates that there's easy profit to be had from ganking you and taking your stuff.
Like I said, just ask for my corpse and you'll get it. I won't even shoot back. Just get in line and wait your turn.
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Alowishus
mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.02.29 04:18:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah That's why I never return fire even if I lose another ship to it. Hurting other people is immoral.
You can't hurt people in a game.
This is my last post as you're obviously a troll that is incapable of reason.
/makes fart noise
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.29 04:20:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Lhyda Souljacker
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah The moment they can be built and fly around in highsec.
They can already be built and flown around in highsec. CCP doesn't like it but it's possible.
Also, you've been playing for four years and didn't know this?
Fly around as in, not being stuck in one system, because that's the limitation as far as I know.
That and you need the infrastructure for it, and I doubt that the current owners will just build another highsec capship for someone they don't know.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.29 04:21:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah That's why I never return fire even if I lose another ship to it. Hurting other people is immoral.
You can't hurt people in a game.
In a multiplayer game, you can, even by as simple as using 'jihad' as far as I can tell from that whinethread in general.
Originally by: Alowishus This is my last post as you're obviously a troll that is incapable of reason.
Bye bye, you won't be missed.
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Varly
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.29 04:31:00 -
[89]
What does CCP say about PVP in Eve?
EXPERIENCE AN MMO UNIVERSE LIKE NO OTHER
THE MOST INTENSE PvP INTERFACE
Award-winning Player-vs-Player, ship-to-ship combat engagements that risk some of the most severe death penalties of any MMO. ----
This is the game CCP advertises. This is the game you are playing. If you are not enjoying the most severe death penalties you were promised, you may enjoy some of the other games mentioned elsewhere in this thread.
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Tai Paktu
Kiith Paktu Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2008.02.29 04:34:00 -
[90]
I was going to comment on this wall of text followed by whines and flames, but to be completely honest I saw EvE and RL in the same sentence and stopped. __________________________
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.29 04:34:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Varly What does CCP say about PVP in Eve?
EXPERIENCE AN MMO UNIVERSE LIKE NO OTHER
THE MOST INTENSE PvP INTERFACE
Award-winning Player-vs-Player, ship-to-ship combat engagements that risk some of the most severe death penalties of any MMO. ----
This is the game CCP advertises. This is the game you are playing. If you are not enjoying the most severe death penalties you were promised, you may enjoy some of the other games mentioned elsewhere in this thread.
So, that doesn't prove anything.
Highsec is not lowsec, and should be SAFER.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.29 04:35:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Tai Paktu I was going to comment on this wall of text followed by whines and flames, but to be completely honest I saw EvE and RL in the same sentence and stopped.
Funny how people always quote RL salvage laws when it comes to people salvaging other people's wrecks.
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Dianeces
Minmatar Repo Industries
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Posted - 2008.02.29 04:42:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Varly What does CCP say about PVP in Eve?
EXPERIENCE AN MMO UNIVERSE LIKE NO OTHER
THE MOST INTENSE PvP INTERFACE
Award-winning Player-vs-Player, ship-to-ship combat engagements that risk some of the most severe death penalties of any MMO. ----
This is the game CCP advertises. This is the game you are playing. If you are not enjoying the most severe death penalties you were promised, you may enjoy some of the other games mentioned elsewhere in this thread.
So, that doesn't prove anything.
Highsec is not lowsec, and should be SAFER.
Good thing it is. Otherwise no freighters would ever enter or leave Jita.
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Ackaroth
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.02.29 04:42:00 -
[94]
Life is hard... get a helmet. ___________________
Add total value of open buy and sell orders to "Orders" tab of wallet.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=626498 |
Jade Chicken
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Posted - 2008.02.29 04:44:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Highsec is not lowsec, and should be SAFER.
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High sec is safer (but still not 100% safe, of course) due to the consequences that are already in place. You're delusional if you don't think that the fear of ship loss prevents PvP in high sec to an acceptable degree. Look at how populous high sec is, can you imagine the carnage that'd be taking place if it were not safer? Don't kid yourself.
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duckmonster
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.29 05:52:00 -
[96]
May I suggest a little game called "A tale in the desert". Theres no non consentual PVP as there is no pvp. You get to run around and do exciting things like;- Hugging Dancing Talking Running Jumping up and down
And you can build a huge space ship sculpture out of reeds which you can laugh about as others tell you that "Dude. There was no spaceships in eve." to which you roll your eyes and say "HOW WHERE THE PYRAMIDS BUILT THEN DUMBO?" -----------
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Calimor
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.29 06:49:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Varly What does CCP say about PVP in Eve?
EXPERIENCE AN MMO UNIVERSE LIKE NO OTHER
THE MOST INTENSE PvP INTERFACE
Award-winning Player-vs-Player, ship-to-ship combat engagements that risk some of the most severe death penalties of any MMO. ----
This is the game CCP advertises. This is the game you are playing. If you are not enjoying the most severe death penalties you were promised, you may enjoy some of the other games mentioned elsewhere in this thread.
So, that doesn't prove anything.
Highsec is not lowsec, and should be SAFER.
And I thought the other thread was fun :D
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente Deadly Addiction Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.02.29 06:53:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Varly What does CCP say about PVP in Eve?
EXPERIENCE AN MMO UNIVERSE LIKE NO OTHER
THE MOST INTENSE PvP INTERFACE
Award-winning Player-vs-Player, ship-to-ship combat engagements that risk some of the most severe death penalties of any MMO. ----
This is the game CCP advertises. This is the game you are playing. If you are not enjoying the most severe death penalties you were promised, you may enjoy some of the other games mentioned elsewhere in this thread.
So, that doesn't prove anything.
Highsec is not lowsec, and should be SAFER.
It is safer
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Dai Nau
Mothership Connection Inc. GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.29 08:04:00 -
[99]
high sec is more dangerous for a hulk than 0.0
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Marcus Quo
Gallente Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.02.29 08:42:00 -
[100]
I had a well thought out, quality post. Then I read the whinefest that was going on in here, and decided to re-do my post. Here it is:
LULZ
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Berrik Radhok
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.29 08:57:00 -
[101]
Quote:
That's why I never return fire even if I lose another ship to it. Hurting other people is immoral.
Why?
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Logi3
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.02.29 09:23:00 -
[102]
Sorry but that made me lol "Wont shoot people in a virtual game as its immoral"
Pay a ransom to save your pod otherwise its toast. Im sure there are some good bible mmorpgs out there you would like? AMazing quests like "Help John the OAP across the road" ----
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Ki An
Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.02.29 09:27:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Berrik Radhok
Quote:
That's why I never return fire even if I lose another ship to it. Hurting other people is immoral.
Why?
Because its wrong!
But this thread is soooooo right. I love it.
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Dai Nau
Mothership Connection Inc. GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.29 09:49:00 -
[104]
when I play counterstrike I always disarm myself right off because killing is immoral
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Tuberider
Caldari Pothouse Cartel
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Posted - 2008.02.29 10:21:00 -
[105]
epic mommy please make the bad men leave me alone i made the mistake of killing 2 npc frigs at a gate and had to pod another 10 pilots just to get back to -10
И люди сделали rejoice и пировали на овечках и жабах и vale-sloths и плодоовощ-letucix мышах и orangutans и каши для завтрака
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Ron Bacardi
Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.02.29 10:28:00 -
[106]
Edited by: Ron Bacardi on 29/02/2008 10:37:08 Edited by: Ron Bacardi on 29/02/2008 10:34:38 I'm sorry Ank and whoever else is agreeing with him/her, i didnt really read the entire thread, but seriously?
People will play however they want within the rules of the game. If it doesnt violate the rules of the game, you can do it. Can I please petition the makers of Monopoly because grandma kicks my ass every time? NO
Remember...
Eve is a video game....
Repeat that.....VIDEO GAME
You're getting worked up and comparing real life to a VIDEO GAME
REAL LIFE =/= VIDEO GAME
As cool as that would be, (god knows I would love to warp to work or shoot zombies or jump on mushrooms with eyes and feet that waddle about while wearing a plumber's outfit or swing a sweet sword while rescuing some sort of princess or find 40 people from 8 classes to follow me through some crazy place for a few hours in the hope that we dont all die killing some giant monster that might drop that sweet hat i want or maybe i can bounce a little white ball off a wall and then try and stop it from passing me......)
Video games are all meaningless and irrelevant to real life except as a time sink and source of entertainment that isnt watching tv, a movie, going boozing or masturbating.
Video games allow you to do what you can't in real life, in this case, play spaceships.
What you want (super harsh penalties), doesnt exist in this game at the moment. What they are doing, is legal within the game mechanics at this point in time. Enough said. People need to stop whining about everything because they are getting the short end of the stick at a certain point in time. Did you ever stop to think, that maybe, if you ignored it, or did something else for awhile, the bees...might...leave? And find something else to do? But that all the drama everyone else is generating is fueling them?
Mad props to everyone(JihadGoonies, Sex Panthers dude, other pirates, anti-pirates, whatever bloody alliance you're in, EVERYONE who knows this is a game) who does whatever they want while playing a video game they pay to play and they play to enjoy in whatever way suits them.
EDIT: ZOMG thought that'd be censored
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Antodias
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.02.29 10:33:00 -
[107]
So you're a super game programmer and have been playing EVE since its inception, but you: -still can't distinguish between real life and the game and -still insist on playing it when it clearly promotes PvP/PKing which you find "immoral"?
I've lost plenty of ships and pods. Some from PvP and a few from suicide ganking, and I have very little ISK at any one time. But I don't log off and throw my monitor at the wall and then type out a huge rant, I adapt and get on with it.
I've been playing for only 2 years, yet I see this huge rants all the time and they always get flamed to hell. Thus I find it very hard to believe that you've actually been playing for 4 years and expect everyone to have an epiphany when they read your posts.
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Kribu
Minmatar Sloppy Seconds
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Posted - 2008.02.29 11:49:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Conq Er Edited by: Conq Er on 29/02/2008 02:37:27 So who else is running locator agents on Ankhesentapemkah now?
If you want my corpse, you can just ASK and it will be given. No need to go through any trouble or lose a ship over it. I'll even throw in some exotic dancers, if you want them.
Can you please contract me your corpse and some exotic dancers?
Please do that in Jita 4-4.
ktxbye
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Lil'Red Ridin'Hood
Snake Assault
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Posted - 2008.02.29 11:56:00 -
[109]
If you ask CCP really nicely, they might build a "bank guards recsu recdu" macro as your personal I-win-button. They might even throw in an "I ban thee" macro to remove all other (potentially evil) players from the system you're traveling in.
And regaining sec status (from my personal experience) is very time consuming, not to mention utterly boring. It's nothing like the "kill a few rats" as you put it. It's more like "kill a few hundred rats" - if not thousands.
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Astradamus
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Posted - 2008.02.29 12:17:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
That's why I never return fire even if I lose another ship to it. Hurting other people is immoral.
You are definitely playing the wrong game. You re even "hurting" them by selling items for a lower price like they do. You are hurting them by mining the roids, clearing the complexes/sites...
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
And that's why it's so great that Goonswarm is showing the problems with the current system. I'm sure this will be fixed eventually.
I dont like the idea of (suicide-)killing in high-sec without making money out of it, i agree this is "griefing". However, pod-killing has a very harsh security hit on your sec-status. Attacking and wrecking ships on the other side not. There are different possibilities to "adjust" the parameters of the security system like getting higher hits or being denied to enter higher sec systems at a higher sec-status... whatever. But what shimmers through all your argumentation is that you dont want to have an adjustment but more a no-one-can-touch-me-and-if-he-does-he-wont-be-able-to-play-this-game-anymore-where-i-am-around high sec. I can understand your point but the game mechanics, like they are implemented right now, may have an adjustment but they shouldnt be changed. I really think you would be better off in another game. And i dont say that EvE is to "hard" for you or all this immature teenie talk, but it may not really fit your expectation or joy you like to get if you are playing it.
Astradamus
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.29 12:34:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Dianeces Good thing it is. Otherwise no freighters would ever enter or leave Jita.
Just because it requires a bit more effort doesn't make it much safer. If Goons or whoever else would say that freighters are no longer allowed, and started to suicide gank them all, who's going to do anything about that? The game mechanics allow it, so it's fine?
Originally by: Jade Chicken High sec is safer (but still not 100% safe, of course) due to the consequences that are already in place. You're delusional if you don't think that the fear of ship loss prevents PvP in high sec to an acceptable degree. Look at how populous high sec is, can you imagine the carnage that'd be taking place if it were not safer? Don't kid yourself.
Well I don't know, if I fly on autopilot to Jita and find my battleship locked at a 0.7 sec gate, I have a serious WTF. Fortunately deploying my drones was enough to tell these punks that I wasn't AFK, and since I just carried some trash and my dogtag collection, they didn't attack me. But seriously, if there were known muggers in front of central station the cops would get rid of them, not protect them from people that want to beat them off the doorstep.
Originally by: Logi3 Sorry but that made me lol "Wont shoot people in a virtual game as its immoral"
Pay a ransom to save your pod otherwise its toast. Im sure there are some good bible mmorpgs out there you would like? AMazing quests like "Help John the OAP across the road"
I don't care about my pod, clones are cheap and I have plenty of implants from my carebear mission running to replace my old ones. I'd never pay any random anyway, bad behaviour should not be rewarded in any way. And I don't need a book to tell me what is moral and what is not.
As for why it is immoral, it's because there is a REAL person on the other end, someone that invested REAL time and REAL effort to get money to purchase the ship and fittings. They might even have invested REAL money by selling gametime cards, or the destruction of their ship might result in them not having the ISK to pay for next month, also resulting in them having to pay REAL money due to your actions. In a game of counterstrike you don't have to work for a week or so to recover if you die, in Eve you have, thus inflicting damage on other players is just as immoral as trashing your neighbors property for fun. The ships and other things are not real, but the time invested to obtain them definately is. I grind to pay for my stuff in Eve, just as I work in real life to purchase the stuff I want. Eve isn't just a game, it requires hard work, which isn't fun to do all the time.
Actually, is Eve a game at all?
According to Roger Callois' The Definition of Play, games must be 'unproductive', defined as: "Creating neither goods, nor wealth, nor new elements of any kind; and, except for the exchange of property amongst the players, ending in a situation identical to that prevailing at the beginning of the game."
Since ISK means gametime means real money, the game has a quantifiable outcome in real life, thus according to Roger Callois definition, Eve would not be a game.
There are many game theorists that came up with different definitions, but it is widely accepted now that there is a large grey area between obvious games, and things that obviously aren't games (take Russian Roulette for example here).
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Cryos Ylwan
Red Eye .Inc. Rare Faction
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Posted - 2008.02.29 12:45:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
As for why it is immoral, it's because there is a REAL person on the other end, someone that invested REAL time and REAL effort to get money to purchase the ship and fittings. They might even have invested REAL money by selling gametime cards, or the destruction of their ship might result in them not having the ISK to pay for next month, also resulting in them having to pay REAL money due to your actions. In a game of counterstrike you don't have to work for a week or so to recover if you die, in Eve you have, thus inflicting damage on other players is just as immoral as trashing your neighbors property for fun. The ships and other things are not real, but the time invested to obtain them definately is. I grind to pay for my stuff in Eve, just as I work in real life to purchase the stuff I want. Eve isn't just a game, it requires hard work, which isn't fun to do all the time.
The difference is that your neighbour didn't have the choice of joining real life or not, whereas, if you decide to join EVE, you are informed how it works and therefore agree to live and play in this, admittedly, rather hostile environment. Yeah, I mean, you kind of have a choice in real life too, but that involves killing yourself, so...not quite the same as simply ending your subscription. It might be immoral, but you joined anyway, so why are you complaining?
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Merokh
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Posted - 2008.02.29 12:51:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Eve isn't just a game, it requires hard work, which isn't fun to do all the time.
Seriously, you are now scaring me a little bit. It might just be me, but I'm getting visions of an obese middle-aged man sitting in the basement of his mothers house, smelling of hamsters and other obscure animals, living or dead.
Ask yourself this question: If I don't like what I'm doing, or what my enviroment is forcing me to do, why should I continue it ?
EvE for me is not "hard work". Hard work for me implies either physical labour or intense mental concentration, neither of which I find in EvE. When I get tired of managing the training of skills or seeing roids fly by every other minute, I go outside and run a lap or 3 around the block, maybe go make a nice sandwich or buy some icecream for my girlfriend just to get my mind of things.
What I'm trying to say is that if you're not enjoying what you are doing or what you feel are forced to do in order to progress, get out of there. Go and do other stuff to refuel your mind and come back when those EVE cravings come back :)
Yarr to all pirates
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Ki An
Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.02.29 12:51:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
As for why it is immoral, it's because there is a REAL person on the other end, someone that invested REAL time and REAL effort to get money to purchase the ship and fittings. They might even have invested REAL money by selling gametime cards, or the destruction of their ship might result in them not having the ISK to pay for next month, also resulting in them having to pay REAL money due to your actions. In a game of counterstrike you don't have to work for a week or so to recover if you die, in Eve you have, thus inflicting damage on other players is just as immoral as trashing your neighbors property for fun. The ships and other things are not real, but the time invested to obtain them definately is. I grind to pay for my stuff in Eve, just as I work in real life to purchase the stuff I want. Eve isn't just a game, it requires hard work, which isn't fun to do all the time.
I don't know where to begin...
Why are you grinding to get stuff in Eve? Let me start with that question. Is it so you can get a sense of accomplishment of having a bigger ship than the next guy? Having a bigger wallet than your corp mates? If so, that's pretty pointless, and your ego deserves to get shot down. I mean, seriously, you gotta have some real issues if you need to feel acomplished in a video game.
Do you grind for the sake of grinding? I.e, do you like running missions and mining and stuff? If so, why get angry if someone blows you up? I mean, you can always grind more. In fact, it's more challenging grinding away and making sure you always have enough stuff and isk left to be able to complete a mission, or meet a quota on minerals.
Except for those two, the only reason I can see anyone grind in Eve is to pay for PvP, and I don't think that applies to you.
Now, for the morality bit. You think it's immoral to shoot someone else in a competitive pvp game? The CS comparison is not bad at all. Sure, it won't lose you as much time as being killed in Eve, but you do lose your good camping spot, or the time it took for you to get to where ever you where. Or, let's say you're playing Monopoly. You wind up on a hotel, you lose a lot of money, setting you back quite a bit. Why is it bad to play competitively in a game like Eve, while it's ok to do so in a game like Monopoly?
I don't think I've ever met someone like you before, so you really interest me. If you're a troll, you are very convincing. I mean, you seriously take the "stick-your-fingers-in-your-ears-and-yell-lalala-approach" 10 steps further than most. You claim to have been playing Eve for years. You claim to design computer games IRL. Yet, you fail to see what is so obvious about Eve. It's a pvp game. It's a dog-eat-dog world. It's competitive gaming. It's not "watch digits on screen grow bigger". I mean... seriously...
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Actually, is Eve a game at all?
According to Roger Callois' The Definition of Play, games must be 'unproductive', defined as: "Creating neither goods, nor wealth, nor new elements of any kind; and, except for the exchange of property amongst the players, ending in a situation identical to that prevailing at the beginning of the game."
Since ISK means gametime means real money, the game has a quantifiable outcome in real life, thus according to Roger Callois definition, Eve would not be a game.
There are many game theorists that came up with different definitions, but it is widely accepted now that there is a large grey area between obvious games, and things that obviously aren't games (take Russian Roulette for example here).
You really should stop playing Eve, and I am serious here. It's apparently not good for you, as a game should be relaxing and enjoyable. You don't appreciate some of the core aspects of this game, and you get all worked up about pvp in a pvp game. Seriously, find another game. For your sake.
Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
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Luthien Firefoot
Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.02.29 13:02:00 -
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One of the reasons I love these forums is that when you read tripe like this it makes you realise that no matter how mental you think you are, there are always ppl in here who are waaaaaaay further off the rails.
It make me laugh at work and thats a good thing.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.29 13:04:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Antodias So you're a super game programmer and have been playing EVE since its inception, but you: -still can't distinguish between real life and the game and -still insist on playing it when it clearly promotes PvP/PKing which you find "immoral"?
Becauase it clearly promotes PvP and PKing in lowsec/0.0 and while possible, it should be very limited in Highsec.
Originally by: Antodias I've lost plenty of ships and pods. Some from PvP and a few from suicide ganking, and I have very little ISK at any one time. But I don't log off and throw my monitor at the wall and then type out a huge rant, I adapt and get on with it.
Hehe, no I don't get hysteric and throw my monitor, stamp my feet and scream at things either.
I just feel disappointed that the killer is capable of doing such a thing. I'll never understand that. Surely people have some kind of concience, and some empathy and compassion towards other people? Maybe they just forget that there's a real person behind those ships. Maybe they don't care. Maybe they're ruthless psychopatich sadists. Maybe they haven't been hurt in real life. I've been bullied throughout my entire youth, beaten up, my stuff stolen and destroyed, spit on and eggs thrown at me. I'm not going to tell my entire life story here, but I learned that I'd NEVER hurt another person, as I know how it feels to be hurt.
Originally by: Antodias I've been playing for only 2 years, yet I see this huge rants all the time and they always get flamed to hell. Thus I find it very hard to believe that you've actually been playing for 4 years and expect everyone to have an epiphany when they read your posts.
I never really felt the need to go to the forums, as there wasn't much to complain about, highsec was safe enough, now it is not.
Originally by: Kribu Can you please contract me your corpse and some exotic dancers?
Please do that in Jita 4-4.
ktxbye
Sure, give it a few days. Send me a reminder mail ingame will you?
Originally by: Lil'Red Ridin'Hood If you ask CCP really nicely, they might build a "bank guards recsu recdu" macro as your personal I-win-button. They might even throw in an "I ban thee" macro to remove all other (potentially evil) players from the system you're traveling in.
Last time I checked, guards could only be called in town, and towns are supposed to be relatively safe (towns weren't 100% safe, people could still snoop and grab stuff from your backpack if they were lucky). I ban thee only works in your house (and only in the later versions of the game, at that!), which definately is supposed to be a safe place in UO.
Originally by: Lil'Red Ridin'Hood And regaining sec status (from my personal experience) is very time consuming, not to mention utterly boring. It's nothing like the "kill a few rats" as you put it. It's more like "kill a few hundred rats" - if not thousands.
I'm quite sure that the criminal is nowhere near as inconvenienced his victims are.
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Dai Nau
Mothership Connection Inc. GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.29 13:09:00 -
[117]
Ankhesentapemkah: bad fakeposter or the worst fakeposter?
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Ki An
Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.02.29 13:11:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Dai Nau Ankhesentapemkah: bad fakeposter or the worst fakeposter?
I really truly hope so, because frankly, I'm scared.
Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
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Dana Foxworth
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.29 13:15:00 -
[119]
Edited by: Dana Foxworth on 29/02/2008 13:15:46
Originally by: Dai Nau Ankhesentapemkah: bad fakeposter or the worst fakeposter?
Actaully, I thought it was some great fakeposting up until the bit with getting beat up and eggs thrown at him. Gave the gig up way too easy.
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Cryos Ylwan
Red Eye .Inc. Rare Faction
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Posted - 2008.02.29 13:24:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
I just feel disappointed that the killer is capable of doing such a thing. I'll never understand that. Surely people have some kind of concience, and some empathy and compassion towards other people? Maybe they just forget that there's a real person behind those ships. Maybe they don't care. Maybe they're ruthless psychopatich sadists. Maybe they haven't been hurt in real life. I've been bullied throughout my entire youth, beaten up, my stuff stolen and destroyed, spit on and eggs thrown at me. I'm not going to tell my entire life story here, but I learned that I'd NEVER hurt another person, as I know how it feels to be hurt.
If you haven't yet, please seek psychological assistance. And I'm not saying this to insult you.
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Boidhche
Coherence LLC
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Posted - 2008.02.29 13:28:00 -
[121]
Edited by: Boidhche on 29/02/2008 13:28:49 Wheee.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.29 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: Ki An
I don't know where to begin...
Why are you grinding to get stuff in Eve? (snip need characters)
I don't have any corpmates, I play this game all by myself. I guess I'm the typical player that sees Eve as a singleplayer game with a nice integrated chat (and I hardly even use that thing). Well it's nice that all these other players are there so I can buy stuff I don't feel like grinding myself, and sell all my trash to which I don't need. So, other players see lowsec as their playground? Fine, no problem, I'll just stay out of there, and I'll keep steering clear of anyone that tries to force PvP on me, even if that means I'll only run level 2 courrier missions in the middle of nowhere for a while, which is exactly what I'm doing when mining isn't safe enough anymore either.
Originally by: Ki An Do you grind for the sake of grinding? I.e, do you like running missions and mining and stuff? If so, why get angry if someone blows you up? I mean, you can always grind more. In fact, it's more challenging grinding away and making sure you always have enough stuff and isk left to be able to complete a mission, or meet a quota on minerals.
Except for those two, the only reason I can see anyone grind in Eve is to pay for PvP, and I don't think that applies to you.
Now, for the morality bit. You think it's immoral to shoot someone else in a competitive pvp game? The CS comparison is not bad at all. Sure, it won't lose you as much time as being killed in Eve, but you do lose your good camping spot, or the time it took for you to get to where ever you where. Or, let's say you're playing Monopoly. You wind up on a hotel, you lose a lot of money, setting you back quite a bit. Why is it bad to play competitively in a game like Eve, while it's ok to do so in a game like Monopoly?
I don't think I've ever met someone like you before, so you really interest me. If you're a troll, you are very convincing. I mean, you seriously take the "stick-your-fingers-in-your-ears-and-yell-lalala-approach" 10 steps further than most. You claim to have been playing Eve for years. You claim to design computer games IRL. Yet, you fail to see what is so obvious about Eve. It's a pvp game. It's a dog-eat-dog world. It's competitive gaming. It's not "watch digits on screen grow bigger". I mean... seriously...
You really should stop playing Eve, and I am serious here. It's apparently not good for you, as a game should be relaxing and enjoyable. You don't appreciate some of the core aspects of this game, and you get all worked up about pvp in a pvp game. Seriously, find another game. For your sake.
To me, 'watch digits on screen grow bigger' is exactly what Eve is to me. Getting more skills, getting reputation, getting money to buy a ship that performs 0.x% better than the last one. I like getting my calculator and figuring out an optimal strategy, I love complex games, there is a reason why I currently only play Dwarf Fortress besides Eve Online (and some Guild Wars sometimes, I admit, I still need to grind 30 titles before GW2 comes out eh?). I do not like doing the same stupid missions over and over, I like the result, which is a higher digit in my reputation panel and a few more ISK in my balance, which I can spend on improving the digits that are my ship stats. Destruction means smaller digits, and more grind to get them back.
There simply aren't any other games around that I like. I liked games 10 years ago, but today it's all more of the same. Morrowind was nice (I didn't like Oblivion), Portal was nice, and that are about the only non-retro games besides Eve, GW and DF that gave me any enjoyment. Anyone remember Ishar, Amulets&Armor, Terminal Velocity, Crusader, Albion, Populous the Beginning, Dungeon Keeper 1, Warlords Battlecry, Metal Fatigue and I-War? Ah, the good old days.
At leas there is Dwarf Fortress, nothing like using mechanisms and traps to make logic gates. DF Calculator [:lol
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Ankhesentapemkah
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Posted - 2008.02.29 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: Merokh Seriously, you are now scaring me a little bit. It might just be me, but I'm getting visions of an obese middle-aged man sitting in the basement of his mothers house, smelling of hamsters and other obscure animals, living or dead.
I can tell you that mental image is very far off, no need to be scared, hehe Okay there is a slightly deformed bird that might count as obscure animal, but it's cute and harmless and I definately am not going to get rid of it just because it was unlucky when it was born.
Originally by: Merokh Ask yourself this question: If I don't like what I'm doing, or what my enviroment is forcing me to do, why should I continue it ?
EvE for me is not "hard work". Hard work for me implies either physical labour or intense mental concentration, neither of which I find in EvE. When I get tired of managing the training of skills or seeing roids fly by every other minute, I go outside and run a lap or 3 around the block, maybe go make a nice sandwich or buy some icecream for my girlfriend just to get my mind of things.
What I'm trying to say is that if you're not enjoying what you are doing or what you feel are forced to do in order to progress, get out of there. Go and do other stuff to refuel your mind and come back when those EVE cravings come back :)
Yarr to all pirates
I do take a break from Eve from time to time you know, deactivate account and let it train that skill that takes 45 days, I'm also busy with my work and hobby projects so I don't have all the time to play Eve.
I don't like the missiongrinding, but I like the results of the work. I obviously don't like it a lot when other players destroy the fruits of my labor, so to speak. Fortunately that hasn't happened to me recently, but that still doesn't make me understand why other people get so aroused by ruining other player's work, if those players want to be left in peace (which being in highsec and not being in a corp should be plenty of indication for).
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Ki An
Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.02.29 13:57:00 -
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Edited by: Ki An on 29/02/2008 13:57:17
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
I don't have any corpmates, I play this game all by myself. I guess I'm the typical player that sees Eve as a singleplayer game with a nice integrated chat (and I hardly even use that thing). Well it's nice that all these other players are there so I can buy stuff I don't feel like grinding myself, and sell all my trash to which I don't need. So, other players see lowsec as their playground? Fine, no problem, I'll just stay out of there, and I'll keep steering clear of anyone that tries to force PvP on me, even if that means I'll only run level 2 courrier missions in the middle of nowhere for a while, which is exactly what I'm doing when mining isn't safe enough anymore either.
Ok, fair enough. You play Eve as a single player game. Problem is that most don't, and the game isn't designed like that. It's designed as a multiplayer game. You have to learn to accept that fact, and you have to learn to accept that other people will play with you even if you don't want them to.
This is the point I think you have a hard time understanding. Nobody is required to take your in-game success into account. You have to make sure you protect yourself, or you will lose your toys. That's a fact in this game, and has been a fact since it's inception. If you don't like it, fine, go play another game. I am sorry, but that's the way it works.
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
To me, 'watch digits on screen grow bigger' is exactly what Eve is to me. Getting more skills, getting reputation, getting money to buy a ship that performs 0.x% better than the last one. I like getting my calculator and figuring out an optimal strategy, I love complex games, there is a reason why I currently only play Dwarf Fortress besides Eve Online (and some Guild Wars sometimes, I admit, I still need to grind 30 titles before GW2 comes out eh?). I do not like doing the same stupid missions over and over, I like the result, which is a higher digit in my reputation panel and a few more ISK in my balance, which I can spend on improving the digits that are my ship stats. Destruction means smaller digits, and more grind to get them back.
I can't understand this mentality, but I know it's a common one. There is a multitude of games out there for people like you. Eve isn't one of them. Deal with it.
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
There simply aren't any other games around that I like. I liked games 10 years ago, but today it's all more of the same. Morrowind was nice (I didn't like Oblivion), Portal was nice, and that are about the only non-retro games besides Eve, GW and DF that gave me any enjoyment. Anyone remember Ishar, Amulets&Armor, Terminal Velocity, Crusader, Albion, Populous the Beginning, Dungeon Keeper 1, Warlords Battlecry, Metal Fatigue and I-War? Ah, the good old days.
At leas there is Dwarf Fortress, nothing like using mechanisms and traps to make logic gates. DF Calculator [:lol
Go play WoW if you like to grind. Play PotBS if you like complexity and missions and optional PvP. Play Guild Wars if you want fair PvP. Play Hello Kitty Online if you like hugs. Play any single player game combined with MSN if you don't want to be bothered with other players but still like to chat. Play LotRO if you like immersive PvE and storyline. Play Eve Online if you like a complex game focused on PvP.
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Sekhmet Orion
Mandatory Suicide Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.02.29 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
I don't have any corpmates, I play this game all by myself.
Well there's a surprise
EVE is a social game, you are not very social...this might be the conflict you are having with this game.
Now please stop spamming the forums with your myopic vision of EVE. I know you haven't spoken to anyone for several days now, but typing in a forum isn't really the same.
Try some of that fresh air stuff...and have some fun
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Ankhesentapemkah
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Posted - 2008.02.29 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Ki An Ok, fair enough. You play Eve as a single player game. Problem is that most don't, and the game isn't designed like that. It's designed as a multiplayer game. You have to learn to accept that fact, and you have to learn to accept that other people will play with you even if you don't want them to.
I don't mind them playing with me, I mind it when they go on stupid pointless griefing expeditions such as canluring newbies and suicide ganking miners. If they suicide gank a freighter full of precious stuff, well I don't like that, but at least it has a point. This Goonswarm terror campaign has not, they just want to hurt other people, and the more they hurt and grief, the better they like it somehow.
Originally by: Ki An This is the point I think you have a hard time understanding. Nobody is required to take your in-game success into account. You have to make sure you protect yourself, or you will lose your toys. That's a fact in this game, and has been a fact since it's inception. If you don't like it, fine, go play another game. I am sorry, but that's the way it works.
I can't understand this mentality, but I know it's a common one. There is a multitude of games out there for people like you. Eve isn't one of them. Deal with it.
Even though the game does not require people to take other players into account, I'm very surprised that almost noone does it due to conscience and morality issues. I mean, you have a nice simulated world with almost endless possibilities, why turn it into a hell when it can be heaven?
If this game needs anything, it's more people like me. That's why I'm not giving up and I'm not going to quit, even if my fight is a hopeless one and the environment around me eventually forces me to fight it from the inside of a station.
Originally by: Ki An Go play WoW if you like to grind. Play PotBS if you like complexity and missions and optional PvP. Play Guild Wars if you want fair PvP. Play Hello Kitty Online if you like hugs. Play any single player game combined with MSN if you don't want to be bothered with other players but still like to chat. Play LotRO if you like immersive PvE and storyline. Play Eve Online if you like a complex game focused on PvP.
Like I said, I did play WoW and it's a stupid, boring, predictable game with no character customization and where every achievement is pointless because power creep will always release a more powerful weapon to grind for next week. I can draw out WoW's core game mechanics on a single a4 paper sheet.
Obviously I play Guildwars for the PVE only.
Never heard of PotBS but I'll check it out I guess.
LotR was meh, as are ALL current singleplayer games besides Dwarf Fortress and Portal.
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Ankhesentapemkah
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Posted - 2008.02.29 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Sekhmet Orion EVE is an anti-social game, you are not very anti-social...this might be the conflict you are having with this game.
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Dai Nau
Mothership Connection Inc. GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.29 14:36:00 -
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the amount of fun you're having is inversely proportional to the fun I'm having
what I'm trying to say is, this is awesome
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.29 14:39:00 -
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Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 29/02/2008 14:38:44
Originally by: Dai Nau the amount of fun you're having is inversely proportional to the fun I'm having
what I'm trying to say is, this is awesome
Please report to your nearest medical facility to remove this specific inverter implant from your brain.
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Ki An
Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.02.29 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
I don't mind them playing with me, I mind it when they go on stupid pointless griefing expeditions such as canluring newbies and suicide ganking miners. If they suicide gank a freighter full of precious stuff, well I don't like that, but at least it has a point. This Goonswarm terror campaign has not, they just want to hurt other people, and the more they hurt and grief, the better they like it somehow.
Well, GS's campaign does have a point. It's fun and it's profitable. There's no pointless griefing in Eve as it is a competitive game. If I take your stuff you have less and I have more. Thus, I am one step further ahead of you. It's Eve. Learn to love it.
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Even though the game does not require people to take other players into account, I'm very surprised that almost noone does it due to conscience and morality issues. I mean, you have a nice simulated world with almost endless possibilities, why turn it into a hell when it can be heaven?
Heaven and hell? Seriously, why even drag up such a subjective thing? Heaven to me isn't sitting around watching numbers grow on a screen. In fact, heaven to me has nothing to do with Eve. However, my Eve utopia would be a universe where people had a good laugh while they slaughtered each other.
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
If this game needs anything, it's more people like me. That's why I'm not giving up and I'm not going to quit, even if my fight is a hopeless one and the environment around me eventually forces me to fight it from the inside of a station.
I would say that this game is in dire need of ridding itself of players like you. This is nothing personal between you and me. I just think you are trying to destroy something I love, and not as in destroying my virtual spaceship either. If you did that I'd give you mad props and then pod you.
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Like I said, I did play WoW and it's a stupid, boring, predictable game with no character customization and where every achievement is pointless because power creep will always release a more powerful weapon to grind for next week. I can draw out WoW's core game mechanics on a single a4 paper sheet.
Obviously I play Guildwars for the PVE only.
Never heard of PotBS but I'll check it out I guess.
LotR was meh, as are ALL current singleplayer games besides Dwarf Fortress and Portal.
If you're going to play PotBS (Pirates of the Burning Sea), stay off the forums pls.
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Dai Nau
Mothership Connection Inc. GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.29 14:39:00 -
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you're dumb
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.29 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ki An Well, GS's campaign does have a point. It's fun and it's profitable. There's no pointless griefing in Eve as it is a competitive game. If I take your stuff you have less and I have more. Thus, I am one step further ahead of you. It's Eve. Learn to love it.
Explain what the point is of having more than others. Also, you can get more without making another player have less. Of course this method is far superior to the apparant parasiting you suggest.
Originally by: Ki An Heaven and hell? Seriously, why even drag up such a subjective thing? Heaven to me isn't sitting around watching numbers grow on a screen. In fact, heaven to me has nothing to do with Eve. However, my Eve utopia would be a universe where people had a good laugh while they slaughtered each other.
Try test server? Otherwise lowsec and 0.0? Why be upset when people *gasp* DONT want to PvP in HIGHSEC?
Originally by: Ki An I would say that this game is in dire need of ridding itself of players like you. This is nothing personal between you and me. I just think you are trying to destroy something I love, and not as in destroying my virtual spaceship either. If you did that I'd give you mad props and then pod you.
See above, how am I destroying anything of you when you have Lowsec and 0.0? I'm not forcing anything on you or anyone else, unlike me, some people force their antisocial, harmful actions on others.
Originally by: Ki An If you're going to play PotBS (Pirates of the Burning Sea), stay off the forums pls.
Even if I'd go play that I'll always be here to 'preach' and work towards a better world.
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Caldari Havoc Inc Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.02.29 14:49:00 -
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Dr Paithos
Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute
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Posted - 2008.02.29 14:55:00 -
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indeed, let us all join hands and build a better world on the internet
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Ki An
Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.02.29 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Explain what the point is of having more than others. Also, you can get more without making another player have less. Of course this method is far superior to the apparant parasiting you suggest.
Huh? It's the point of the game? As in 'competitive'? Why do you want to finish first in that knitting tournament or whatever the hell it is you do? Why did Muhammed Ali get happy when he beat George Forman? Why do you smile when your friend winds up on your hotel-street in Monopoly? Answer: It's fun to win.
And, of course there might be more efficient ways of gaining income than what GS is doing, but they might not think its as much fun. I mean, do you go around telling people who run missions that they should do trades instead because you can make more money? Its about fun.
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Try test server? Otherwise lowsec and 0.0? Why be upset when people *gasp* DONT want to PvP in HIGHSEC?
Why put HIGHSEC in all caps? Highsec doesn't mean COMPLETESEC or NORISK. It's just harder to kill people there. It's still very much possible though, as it should be. If you don't like pvp, why don't YOU try the test server?
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
See above, how am I destroying anything of you when you have Lowsec and 0.0? I'm not forcing anything on you or anyone else, unlike me, some people force their antisocial, harmful actions on others.
Your posts here on the forums might actually spurr other whiny carebears into making CCP turn this game even more towards main stream grind MMO's than they've already done. Therefore I will do my utmost to crush you here and in game until you quit the game that I love and stop trying to change it to suit YOU.
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Even if I'd go play that I'll always be here to 'preach' and work towards a better world.
Preach away. I doubt anyone listens, and if they do, we'll just grief them out of the game.
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Jade Chicken
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Posted - 2008.02.29 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Why be upset when people *gasp* DONT want to PvP in HIGHSEC?
Why be upset when people *gasp* DO want to PvP in HIGHSEC?
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.29 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ki An Huh? It's the point of the game? As in 'competitive'? Why do you want to finish first in that knitting tournament or whatever the hell it is you do? Why did Muhammed Ali get happy when he beat George Forman? Why do you smile when your friend winds up on your hotel-street in Monopoly? Answer: It's fun to win.
I don't think it is fun to win, what is the point of winning? Competition is merely a test to determine the optimal strategy, and a win is only an indicator. Once the optimal strategy is known, it does not matter who won, as the knowledge is far more important than that and is now free to be shared with everyone. The trick is to determine the optimal strategy with the least amount of resources. PvP is not very efficient in doing so, due to the enormous resource costs.
I think it's cool to have huge fleets flying around that do not even engage in combat. You might not see why they are of any use then, but I do.
Originally by: Ki An And, of course there might be more efficient ways of gaining income than what GS is doing, but they might not think its as much fun. I mean, do you go around telling people who run missions that they should do trades instead because you can make more money? Its about fun.
Of course, but how could someone else's suffering be fun? I'd say that people that enjoy that should be locked away in a mental institution for starters...
Originally by: Ki An Why put HIGHSEC in all caps? Highsec doesn't mean COMPLETESEC or NORISK. It's just harder to kill people there. It's still very much possible though, as it should be. If you don't like pvp, why don't YOU try the test server?
And like I said for 5 pages now, there is no significant consequence to criminal behaviour in highsec, and that should be fixed, as the criminals now just get away with it and hardly suffer any risk, while their influence is extremely diruptive and has a large negative impact on their fellow player's game experience.
Originally by: Ki An Your posts here on the forums might actually spurr other whiny carebears into making CCP turn this game even more towards main stream grind MMO's than they've already done. Therefore I will do my utmost to crush you here and in game until you quit the game that I love and stop trying to change it to suit YOU.
Like I said already, I do not think the current and possible future scale of highsec mass murdering was intended when these game mechnics were designed.
Originally by: Ki An Preach away. I doubt anyone listens, and if they do, we'll just grief them out of the game.
Do you hear what you say? You want to bully people into quitting the game. What does that make you? Are you sick or something?
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.29 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Chicken
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Why be upset when people *gasp* DONT want to PvP in HIGHSEC?
Why be upset when people *gasp* DO want to PvP in HIGHSEC?
Because it's HIGHSEC, not LOWSEC or 0.0, where there is plenty of space for PvPers.
Highsec is supposed to be SAFER and Concord is supposed to provide CONSEQUENCES and currently neither is the case.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.29 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Chicken
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Highsec is supposed to be SAFER and Concord is supposed to provide CONSEQUENCES and currently neither is the case.
Highsec IS SAFER and CONCORD DOES provide CONSEQUENCES.
If people can gank miner again and again and again and again, then clearly it is not safer and Concord isn't doing anything to stop them. Yeah it requires a little bit more effort than it does in lowsec, which is why it's not as common in highsec, but that's just a false sense of safety, because if people do put a little bit of effort in it, they can kill you, not once, but whenever they please. Thus highsec is not safe at all as the current ruleset allows for all this garbage to go relatively unpunished just as it allows for it in lowsec/0.0.
Originally by: Jade Chicken Here's a little story I've compiled about someone who needs some perscription medication:
If there are people that need to be treated, it are those griefers, that should be locked away and rehabilitated into friendly productive members of society, instead of running around griefing people left and right because it makes their twisted minds feel aroused.
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Ki An
Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.02.29 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
If people can gank miner again and again and again and again, then clearly it is not safer and Concord isn't doing anything to stop them. Yeah it requires a little bit more effort than it does in lowsec, which is why it's not as common in highsec, but that's just a false sense of safety, because if people do put a little bit of effort in it, they can kill you, not once, but whenever they please. Thus highsec is not safe at all as the current ruleset allows for all this garbage to go relatively unpunished just as it allows for it in lowsec/0.0.
EVREKA! Welcome to Eve. This is exactly what we've been trying to tell you. There is no absolute security in Eve. You can be killed anywhere anytime. That's the bloody POINT!
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HakanSherif
Minmatar Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.02.29 15:28:00 -
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Well maybe to satisfy the carebears a bit the sec hit penalties can be increased for high sec aggression, prolly makes sense too but thats about it.
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Ankhesentapemkah
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Posted - 2008.02.29 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: HakanSherif Well maybe to satisfy the carebears a bit the sec hit penalties can be increased for high sec aggression, prolly makes sense too but thats about it.
And that's the only thing I ask for.
* No insurance for concord-destroyed ships. * Higher security status hit for ship kills in high-sec only.
But that would somehow completely ruin Eve for some people.
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Ki An
Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.02.29 15:33:00 -
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Edited by: Ki An on 29/02/2008 15:34:41
Originally by: HakanSherif Well maybe to satisfy the carebears a bit the sec hit penalties can be increased for high sec aggression, prolly makes sense too but thats about it.
What's enough though? And even if it was insta -10 they would still complain, because there would still be suicide ganks.
Fact is, the system is fine. It doesn't need change. The people who feel it does needs to quit the game.
BTW, Ankhewhatever... do you have any alts? Is that character your main?
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.29 15:36:00 -
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Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 29/02/2008 15:37:37
Originally by: Ki An EVREKA! Welcome to Eve. This is exactly what we've been trying to tell you. There is no absolute security in Eve. You can be killed anywhere anytime. That's the bloody POINT!
And then what's the bloody point of highsec?
Or are you one of the guys that whines to remove highsec alltogether?
Originally by: Ki An BTW, Ankhewhatever... do you have any alts? Is that character your main?
Why do you ask, so you can come grief me out of the game? I'd say it's none of your business.
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Ki An
Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.02.29 15:41:00 -
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Edited by: Ki An on 29/02/2008 15:43:23
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
And then what's the bloody point of highsec?
Or are you one of the guys that whines to remove highsec alltogether?
The point of highsec is that it is SAFER!!! And don't go on saying that it isn't, because that's a blatant lie. You are really getting on my nerves, but arguing with stupid people always does that to me.
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Why do you ask, so you can come grief me out of the game? I'd say it's none of your business.
Yes, that's exactly why I ask. Man up and tell me the name of your main so I can make it my personal mission to suicide gank you back to a noob ship plz.
PS. You still haven't told me the names of any games you've designed. Please tell me because I'm really interested. Or are you one of those 'game designers' who've got an unlisenced copy of 3Dstudio Max and put together a few lines of C++ codes to make a blocky man walk around on a polygon?
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Ankhesentapemkah
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Posted - 2008.02.29 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ki An The point of highsec is that it is SAFER!!! And don't go on saying that it isn't, because that's a blatant lie. You are really getting on my nerves, but arguing with stupid people always does that to me.
Maybe the forums isn't for you then.
Originally by: Ki An Yes, that's exactly why I ask. Man up and tell me the name of your main so I can make it my personal mission to suicide gank you back to a noob ship plz.
And that would be productive or enjoyable how? You'd waste your time for what? Obsessive/compulsive much?
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M'ing Pai
The Really Awesome Players
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Originally by: Ki An
Yes, that's exactly why I ask. Man up and tell me the name of your main so I can make it my personal mission to suicide gank you back to a noob ship plz.
Ki An, when you find out, if you find out apart from the forums, could you let me know in-game? I'd like to accompany you on that expedition. You know where to find me.
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Bahhs Deep
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Holy sh*t this has become a truly epic thread!
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.02.29 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Antodias So you're a super game programmer and have been playing EVE since its inception, but you: -still can't distinguish between real life and the game and -still insist on playing it when it clearly promotes PvP/PKing which you find "immoral"?
I've lost plenty of ships and pods. Some from PvP and a few from suicide ganking, and I have very little ISK at any one time. But I don't log off and throw my monitor at the wall and then type out a huge rant, I adapt and get on with it.
I've been playing for only 2 years, yet I see this huge rants all the time and they always get flamed to hell. Thus I find it very hard to believe that you've actually been playing for 4 years and expect everyone to have an epiphany when they read your posts.
4 years...? 4 years in a single corp, then left and stayed in a noobcorp since last July.
Diagnosis: 5 year old character that was sold last summer. Player is about 8 months old.
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Ki An
Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.02.29 15:53:00 -
[150]
Edited by: Ki An on 29/02/2008 15:54:34
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Maybe the forums isn't for you then.
Nono, while you do get on my nerves, it also gets the ol' ticker beating. I can always imagine what grief I'm gonna put you through to calm me down.
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
And that would be productive or enjoyable how? You'd waste your time for what? Obsessive/compulsive much?
Productive -> I would be doing my fellow eve-players a favor by taking you out of the game. We could then enjoy OUR game without your disruption.
Enjoyable -> I don't even need to explain this one, do I? I mean, your tears would sustain me for years.
Waste of time -> Not a waste at all. I'd be willing to dedicate myself to taking you out completely. It's fun and profitable.
Obsessive/compulsive -> While that's a laugh coming from you, sure, go ahead and call me that. I'm going to be extremely obsessive about making sure your enjoyment of this game diminishes to zero, that's for sure.
Oh, and don't worry M'ing. I'll be sure to let everyone know
PS. Tell me the name of a game you've designed plz. I want to play a game based on your ***** life philosophy.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.29 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Antodias So you're a super game programmer and have been playing EVE since its inception, but you: -still can't distinguish between real life and the game and -still insist on playing it when it clearly promotes PvP/PKing which you find "immoral"?
I've lost plenty of ships and pods. Some from PvP and a few from suicide ganking, and I have very little ISK at any one time. But I don't log off and throw my monitor at the wall and then type out a huge rant, I adapt and get on with it.
I've been playing for only 2 years, yet I see this huge rants all the time and they always get flamed to hell. Thus I find it very hard to believe that you've actually been playing for 4 years and expect everyone to have an epiphany when they read your posts.
4 years...? 4 years in a single corp, then left and stayed in a noobcorp since last July.
Diagnosis: 5 year old character that was sold last summer. Player is about 8 months old.
It clearly sais that I've been in Aliastra for 4 years and 7 months... I was in a corp when Eve got started but that didn't last long as all my carebear friends quit in months
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Jade Chicken
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Posted - 2008.02.29 15:53:00 -
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I have a couple of high sec chars that've never, ever been killed, years and still on the original clone and implants. I sometimes venture into lowsec for courier missions but I run one char as a scout. My main, which has lived predominantly in 0.0 and lowsec for the past four years has been killed something like 100 times.
I split my time equally between my bears and my main. The fact is that in practice highsec IS safer. It's so safe that I've never been killed by a player with my highsec alts in four years of mining, trading, mission running and industry. I still realize I can be killed and I take precautions to avoid this but not nearly the precautions I do with my main. With my main I rarely ever leave my home system and I have scan spots 1500km from every gate I use, I don't even go to gates unless my friends are there and I have scouts up in adjacent systems. I play it very safe out there.
By comparison highsec is relaxed, almost to the point of sleepiness. You've never been to lowsec or 0.0, as you've stated many times, because you don't want to go there. Thus you have no basis for comparison when you say highsec needs to be safer. I suggest you do some research before making these assertions that, in practice, are totally false.
You saying highsec isn't safe enough is like saying pizza doesn't taste that much better than dog **** after never having tried dog ****. It's a totally invalid assertion.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.29 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ki An Productive -> I would be doing my fellow eve-players a favor by taking you out of the game. We could then enjoy OUR game without your disruption.
Enjoyable -> I don't even need to explain this one, do I? I mean, your tears would sustain me for years.
I'll laugh when CCP ineviably rebalances highsec consequences while you and your compatriots are fuming and stomping your feet here at the forums and whine how unfair it is that they are limited in griefing other people in highsec.
Originally by: Ki An Waste of time -> Not a waste at all. I'd be willing to dedicate myself to taking you out completely. It's fun and profitable.
Obsessive/compulsive -> While that's a laugh coming from you, sure, go ahead and call me that. I'm going to be extremely obsessive about making sure your enjoyment of this game diminishes to zero, that's for sure.
Oh come on, I hardly need to fit anything to run missions, and like I said, if that gets too risky, I can always do l2 courrier missions, of which the majority can be done in a shuttle. You're more than welcome to go chasing and looting those.
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Ki An
Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.02.29 16:06:00 -
[154]
Edited by: Ki An on 29/02/2008 16:11:40
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
I'll laugh when CCP ineviably rebalances highsec consequences while you and your compatriots are fuming and stomping your feet here at the forums and whine how unfair it is that they are limited in griefing other people in highsec.
Hope you've braced for a hell of a ride before "CCP inevitably rebalances highsec", cause if you plan on using this character for anything else than forum posturing, you're going to cry salty tears. And, if CCP finally does decide to cave in to whiny ass carebears like you, I have the possibility of playing another game. You do too, but you don't wanna because you think you're entitled to 'remodel' a game to suit your style of play at the expense of everyone else. Selfish 5 year old much?
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Oh come on, I hardly need to fit anything to run missions, and like I said, if that gets too risky, I can always do l2 courrier missions, of which the majority can be done in a shuttle. You're more than welcome to go chasing and looting those.
Well, if not profitable, it's still going to be fun. Oh, and I won't loot if you bring crap. I'll just blow you up. Again and again and again.
PS. Please tell me the name of a game you have designed. Please please please. Was it Hello Kitty online? Second Life? Wally Bear Furratorium? Habo Hotel? Come on, don't keep us in suspense.
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Mo Steel
Caldari Sanguis vix Dignatio
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Posted - 2008.02.29 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah If people can gank miner again and again and again and again, then clearly it is not safer and Concord isn't doing anything to stop them. Yeah it requires a little bit more effort than it does in lowsec, which is why it's not as common in highsec, but that's just a false sense of safety, because if people do put a little bit of effort in it, they can kill you, not once, but whenever they please. Thus highsec is not safe at all as the current ruleset allows for all this garbage to go relatively unpunished just as it allows for it in lowsec/0.0.
You know, there are modules you can fit to combat these enemies. Most aren't listed under "Mining Lasers" though.
Two things:
1. Posting in epic fail thread. o/ 2. I'm offended by your mining of asteroids in high security. That's right, it offends me. How dare you. -----
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Icutty Lotz
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Posted - 2008.02.29 16:24:00 -
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yes i agree with the poster concord need to be more realistic in order to do this u have to call concord and tell them your getting attacked and with rl response times like
.8-1.0 somewere between 2-5min
.7-.6 5-7min
.5 10-15min(20 if they stop for donuts)
if the attacker is Minmatar then after concord blows up the ship they beat the pod down to 1 hp and they shut down the area around the attack to collect evidence.
but really this is a good part of the game i got mad when they made warp sraming agro pods a crime (had someone sitting there for 2h wile i went out for a wile ). This is part of the game it has always been in the game deal with it
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.29 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Ki An Hope you've braced for a hell of a ride before "CCP inevitably rebalances highsec", cause if you plan on using this character for anything else than forum posturing, you're going to cry salty tears. And, if CCP finally does decide to cave in to whiny ass carebears like you, I have the possibility of playing another game. You do too, but you don't wanna because you think you're entitled to 'remodel' a game to suit your style of play at the expense of everyone else. Selfish 5 year old much?
CPP won't cave in to whiny carebears, they will look at the game and conclude: "Hey, this nonsense they players are doing is currently tolerated by game mechanics, but isn't what we intended, let's change it".
Originally by: Ki An Well, if not profitable, it's still going to be fun. Oh, and I won't loot if you bring crap. I'll just blow you up. Again and again and again.
PS. Please tell me the name of a game you have designed. Please please please. Was it Hello Kitty online? Second Life? Wally Bear Furratorium? Habo Hotel? Come on, don't keep us in suspense.
Well then I'll just fly around in crap ships. Come waste your time on me. Attrition will be in my favor. I'll have so much fun, this time I don't even need to shoot at you and you still lose.
And just why should I disclose any personal information on a forum? You could post your adress first, maybe I can send you some nice fluffy soft furry carebeary postcards to ease your pain.
More serious: I'm under a full NDA and can't tell what I'm currently working on, not even the genre of the game or who the contractors are. I'll give a link to a spare time project in exchange for your adress though.
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Ki An
Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.02.29 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
More serious: I'm under a full NDA and can't tell what I'm currently working on, not even the genre of the game or who the contractors are. I'll give a link to a spare time project in exchange for your adress though.
So you haven't done any games in the past then? But you are a game designer now? Seriously, you've got to do better than that if you're gonna play the "I'm a game designer" card.
BTW, I'm a RL astronaut. Here's a picture I took out the window of my space ship.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.29 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
More serious: I'm under a full NDA and can't tell what I'm currently working on, not even the genre of the game or who the contractors are. I'll give a link to a spare time project in exchange for your adress though.
So you haven't done any games in the past then? But you are a game designer now? Seriously, you've got to do better than that if you're gonna play the "I'm a game designer" card.
BTW, I'm a RL astronaut. Here's a picture I took out the window of my space ship.
Oh yeah I did, but those were small games. Kiddie games too. I hated them, but you need to start somewhere.
And what is your obsession with trying to figure out what I'm doing in real life, what business is it of yours?
Still waiting for your adress.
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KapnKaboom
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Posted - 2008.02.29 16:50:00 -
[160]
Ahahahahahaha! This thread is just chock full of win! Keep up the great work guys! Fill the whole galaxy with carebear blood and tears!
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Sekhmet Orion
Mandatory Suicide Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.02.29 16:55:00 -
[161]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah they will look at the game and conclude: "Hey, this nonsense they players are doing is currently tolerated by game mechanics, but isn't what we intended, let's change it".
Are you sure you've been playing for 4 years. Do you recognise this quote
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Keep it up, this thread is a comedy gold mine.
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Ki An
Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.02.29 17:02:00 -
[162]
Originally by: Sekhmet Orion
Are you sure you've been playing for 4 years. Do you recognise this quote
He hasn't been playing for four years. He bought his character and now eeks out a living in Empire while dreaming about being a RL game designer so he can design a game that will only allow nice people to play. It has to do with his abused background you see. Take a look earlier in this thread for tidbits from that.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.29 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Sekhmet Orion
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah they will look at the game and conclude: "Hey, this nonsense they players are doing is currently tolerated by game mechanics, but isn't what we intended, let's change it".
Are you sure you've been playing for 4 years. Do you recognise this quote
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Keep it up, this thread is a comedy gold mine.
Completely irrelevant and missing the point.
If they wanted highsec to be a free for all gankfest with no consequence for murder, they'd drop highsec. Since they have not, it's supposed to be somewhat safer than lowsec eh?
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.29 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ki An He hasn't been playing for four years. He bought his character and now eeks out a living in Empire while dreaming about being a RL game designer so he can design a game that will only allow nice people to play. It has to do with his abused background you see. Take a look earlier in this thread for tidbits from that.
Whatever man, I don't have to prove anything to you, and I don't one bit if you believe me or not.
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Sekhmet Orion
Mandatory Suicide Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.02.29 17:09:00 -
[165]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Completely irrelevant and missing the point.
If they wanted highsec to be a free for all gankfest with no consequence for murder, they'd drop highsec. Since they have not, it's supposed to be somewhat safer than lowsec eh?
Yeah CCP Wrangler's idea of what EVE should be about is completely irrelevant
I don't think I've met a more intransigent person before. It is pointless discussing anything with you.
Can you find a quote from CCP in a Dev blog, or anywhere, where they say suicide ganking in empire is to change?
You really are quite a funny little guy
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Berrik Radhok
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.29 17:11:00 -
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Quote:
As for why it is immoral, it's because there is a REAL person on the other end, someone that invested REAL time and REAL effort to get money to purchase the ship and fittings.
Why do you think so many do it? Because it makes real people whine and post hilarious things on the forums about how they shouldn't have to be subject to PVP in a PVP game.
Fine, whatever, you put in effort. Put in some more effort to protect your investment instead of crying all over the forums because CCP won't do it for you.
I'm glad the feelings of people I kill are hurt-- it means they're more likely to do something about it, like mabye come after me and give me a good fight at some point in the future.
EVE Online is not politically correct. We are not required to make sure your feelings are not hurt, and neither is CCP. On the contrary, we are quite allowed to make your EVE experience a living hell for so long as you won't defend yourself.
You are basically every carebear stereotype rolled into one, and your attitude is why a lot of 0.0 and low sec pilots consider empire pilots to be little more than food or entertainment (or both).
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Kestrix
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.29 17:18:00 -
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I call myslf a carebear but after reading all the whine and moan threads about podding/ganking/suiside attacks ect in hi- sec I'm beginning to be embaressed by that title. If you want a safe game where you risk nothing go play guildwars. My self I enjoy this game as it is. So if you want to POD people or destroy their ships in Empire good on you, I hope you have a g8 time doing it.
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Tanshi Daiko
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Posted - 2008.02.29 17:21:00 -
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I think the real issue comes down to being one of worthiness. It's one thing to be able to kill someone, but there are surely some kills out there that simply are not worth the bother.
A person can squash ants all he likes, but he isnt badass or tough for killing them. If he hunts a deer or heck, wrestles an alligator, he is considered worthy of praise.
There is a real pvp tendency in this game to shoot blindly at anything that moves and to believe that shooting is somehow valuable, when really its the target and the achievement that hold the value. If this wasnt so, then you may as well spend your days shooting cargo cans.
The so called Jihad on miners and suicide attacks certainly show a degree of power, which i can respect. Goonswarm is capable of influencing the fate of the whole world or the whole game. That's power and thats EVE.
What would be interesting would be if Goonswarm made a serious attempt to totally destroy either Highsec as a viable place to mine or mining itself. With a sustained killing frenzy, it would certainly be possible to do this and that would be noteworthy indeed.
What i want to know is...how long will they keep this up and will they have the guts to shake EVE's foundations?
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Doonoo Boonoo
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.02.29 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Stuart Price And I thought this was a pvp game.
For some players PvP=Player versus Plagiocase
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Fitz VonHeise
The New Order. United Connection's
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Posted - 2008.02.29 17:43:00 -
[170]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah * No insurance for concord-destroyed ships.
This sounds like the perfect answer.
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Quelque Chose
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.29 17:55:00 -
[171]
Edited by: Quelque Chose on 29/02/2008 17:55:23
Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo
Originally by: Stuart Price And I thought this was a pvp game.
For some players PvP=Player versus Plagiocase
That's pretty funny, but what's even funnier is the guy I saw in local last night down at the trade hub going "C'mon, maaaaaaan, somebody gimme 20 mil so I can insure this ship and go get it blown up. **** I hate carebears. :("
If I hang onto the money I make I won't even have to shoot that guy later, though in fairness he doesn't sound like somebody I ought to be worried about. It's a PvP game, sure, but it's not a shooter is it? ______________________________
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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge XIII Legio
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Posted - 2008.02.29 17:58:00 -
[172]
I'm probably going to be buried in posts here but...
I thought about this topic some more and I wonder what you guys think of it.
Leave the insurance system alone (removing it and you've increased the threshold of suicide ganking to the point of making high sec into no-risk sec).
Instead - if your character has committed crimes that involved Concord - they permanently lose Concord's protection. They go on a Concord blacklist. They can rat their way to high sec status to go anywhere in empire - but they lose Concord's protection, so if a carebear wanted revenge or freaks out that the guy is going to suicide his ship again - he can attack you and defend himself from your first strike - by attacking you first without getting Concorded.
Now suicide ganker has to consider a tank on his gank ship (slightly more difficult repeat customers) - and the whiney carebear has a means to defend themselves ONTOP of the reasons already given (you can FIGHT back and strike first!).
If I suicided in high sec, I'd love this because it would encourage more fights, and I don't need some lame ass Concord protecting me - BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT MEANT TO!
P.S. yarrrrrrrrr __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
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Sekhmet Orion
Mandatory Suicide Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.02.29 18:18:00 -
[173]
Originally by: Omarvelous so if a carebear wanted revenge or freaks out that the guy is going to suicide his ship again - he can attack you and defend himself from your first strike - by attacking you first without getting Concorded.
So a bit like a Kill right then
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Berrik Radhok
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.29 18:45:00 -
[174]
Originally by: Omarvelous
I'm probably going to be buried in posts here but...
I thought about this topic some more and I wonder what you guys think of it.
Leave the insurance system alone (removing it and you've increased the threshold of suicide ganking to the point of making high sec into no-risk sec).
Instead - if your character has committed crimes that involved Concord - they permanently lose Concord's protection. They go on a Concord blacklist. They can rat their way to high sec status to go anywhere in empire - but they lose Concord's protection, so if a carebear wanted revenge or freaks out that the guy is going to suicide his ship again - he can attack you and defend himself from your first strike - by attacking you first without getting Concorded.
Now suicide ganker has to consider a tank on his gank ship (slightly more difficult repeat customers) - and the whiney carebear has a means to defend themselves ONTOP of the reasons already given (you can FIGHT back and strike first!).
If I suicided in high sec, I'd love this because it would encourage more fights, and I don't need some lame ass Concord protecting me - BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT MEANT TO!
P.S. yarrrrrrrrr
This already happens. If your sec status is below a certain level, anyone can shoot you without consequences.
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M'ing Pai
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2008.02.29 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Sekhmet Orion
So a bit like a Kill right then
QFT
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.29 18:55:00 -
[176]
Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 29/02/2008 18:54:54
Originally by: Berrik Radhok This already happens. If your sec status is below a certain level, anyone can shoot you without consequences.
And he wants to make it a permanent thing. That would be nice.
Originally by: Sekhmet Orion Yeah CCP Wrangler's idea of what EVE should be about is completely irrelevant
I don't think I've met a more intransigent person before. It is pointless discussing anything with you.
Can you find a quote from CCP in a Dev blog, or anywhere, where they say suicide ganking in empire is to change?
You really are quite a funny little guy
No, what Wrangler said does not relate to what I have said at all.
It's all about action/reaction, if the Goons start using dispropotional force in Empire space and get away with it, then CCP will react by increasing the consequences for this particular behaviour. But such things obviously go over your head.
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Sekhmet Orion
Mandatory Suicide Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.02.29 19:13:00 -
[177]
Edited by: Sekhmet Orion on 29/02/2008 19:13:27
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
It's all about action/reaction, if the Goons start using dispropotional force in Empire space and get away with it, then CCP will react by increasing the consequences for this particular behaviour. But such things obviously go over your head.
Obviously the fact that CCP haven't said anything about disproportional force has gone completely over your head
Suicide ganking has gone on in high sec since the start of the game, you would of course know this if you had in fact been playing all those years, and not just bought a character.
For someone who claims to be such an intelligent man, you come across pretty ignorant.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.02.29 19:29:00 -
[178]
Originally by: Kestrix I call myslf a carebear but after reading all the whine and moan threads about podding/ganking/suiside attacks ect in hi- sec I'm beginning to be embaressed by that title. If you want a safe game where you risk nothing go play guildwars. My self I enjoy this game as it is. So if you want to POD people or destroy their ships in Empire good on you, I hope you have a g8 time doing it.
Ah that first, dangerous, thrilling step...
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Ron Bacardi
Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.02.29 19:46:00 -
[179]
I think we're all being pro-trolled.
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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge XIII Legio
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Posted - 2008.02.29 19:51:00 -
[180]
Originally by: Berrik Radhok
Originally by: Omarvelous
I'm probably going to be buried in posts here but...
I thought about this topic some more and I wonder what you guys think of it.
Leave the insurance system alone (removing it and you've increased the threshold of suicide ganking to the point of making high sec into no-risk sec).
Instead - if your character has committed crimes that involved Concord - they permanently lose Concord's protection. They go on a Concord blacklist. They can rat their way to high sec status to go anywhere in empire - but they lose Concord's protection, so if a carebear wanted revenge or freaks out that the guy is going to suicide his ship again - he can attack you and defend himself from your first strike - by attacking you first without getting Concorded.
Now suicide ganker has to consider a tank on his gank ship (slightly more difficult repeat customers) - and the whiney carebear has a means to defend themselves ONTOP of the reasons already given (you can FIGHT back and strike first!).
If I suicided in high sec, I'd love this because it would encourage more fights, and I don't need some lame ass Concord protecting me - BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT MEANT TO!
P.S. yarrrrrrrrr
This already happens. If your sec status is below a certain level, anyone can shoot you without consequences.
You're preaching to the choir man.
I was trying to suggest kill rights - which some people picked up on heheheh. __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
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Volir
Deep Space HVAC
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Posted - 2008.02.29 19:56:00 -
[181]
Maybe the empire huggers should surrender? What are the Goon's terms?
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.02.29 20:29:00 -
[182]
Originally by: Ron Bacardi I think we're all being pro-trolled.
I'd prefer to think that than believe someone really is that dense.
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Oracle Platon
MAFIA
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Posted - 2008.02.29 20:59:00 -
[183]
In this case it should be some kind of bounty system. You should be able to put a bounty on him, and bountyhunters would be able to hunt him in high sec also, catch him and kill him for the crimes he have done.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.01 00:21:00 -
[184]
Originally by: Volir Maybe the empire huggers should surrender? What are the Goon's terms?
Noobships!!!! We need noobships!!!!!!
Originally by: Avaricia look a goon lol
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xG3N0CiDEx
X Bane X
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Posted - 2008.03.01 00:55:00 -
[185]
lololololol whiners are so amusing... even tho i didnt finish reading ur crybaby post..
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Shadow Joy
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Posted - 2008.03.01 01:49:00 -
[186]
Looks like the op had a small chimp moment.
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Nasta443
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Posted - 2008.03.01 03:50:00 -
[187]
lulz only read through the first 3 pages... i bet my pod killing laser that op is a goon alt
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Agor Dirdonen
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Posted - 2008.03.01 11:37:00 -
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Edited by: Agor Dirdonen on 01/03/2008 11:40:54 I actually wonder what you really do in the game to enjoy it. I mean, everything you do, everything has an effect on another player (ok, there's one exception).
You mine roids? You remove potential ore for another player. You buy a module on the market? Another player eventually will have to pay a higher price for the same module as what you paid. You shoot npc rats? Somebody else cannot shoot them anymore. ...
These are REAL people that are put to a disadvantage by YOU. They pay their account with REAL money, try to spend REAL time in the game.
So if you want to play a true singleplayer game in Eve, what actually do you do that doesn't effect another player? You can only do courier missions or killmissions in your rookie ship as that is the only thing you can use (remember, buying 'anything' on the market has a negative impact on at least one other player).
If you really want to play a singleplayer game where your actions have no effect on any other player, go play on the Test Server... really. It is reset every so often so any damage you did to other players is removed again by the system itself.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.03.01 12:25:00 -
[189]
Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 01/03/2008 12:27:13 Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 01/03/2008 12:25:32
Originally by: Agor Dirdonen Edited by: Agor Dirdonen on 01/03/2008 11:40:54 I actually wonder what you really do in the game to enjoy it.
Already answered that question, go read, it's in this thread.
Originally by: Agor Dirdonen I mean, everything you do, everything has an effect on another player (ok, there's one exception).
You mine roids? You remove potential ore for another player. You buy a module on the market? Another player eventually will have to pay a higher price for the same module as what you paid. You shoot npc rats? Somebody else cannot shoot them anymore. ...
Where I am, most of the roids survive till next respawn anyway. If I don't buy stuff from other players, maybe it doesn't sell at all, and the seller has to lower his price and thus makes less money. Also, that is compensated by me selling stuff for any price, and traders making a profit off that. I don't rat.
Originally by: Agor Dirdonen These are REAL people that are put to a disadvantage by YOU. They pay their account with REAL money, try to spend REAL time in the game.
So if you want to play a true singleplayer game in Eve, what actually do you do that doesn't effect another player? You can only do courier missions or killmissions in your rookie ship as that is the only thing you can use (remember, buying 'anything' on the market has a negative impact on at least one other player).
If you really want to play a singleplayer game where your actions have no effect on any other player, go play on the Test Server... really. It is reset every so often so any damage you did to other players is removed again by the system itself.
I never said I want Eve as singleplayer game, I said I play it as a singleplayer game. I never said I don't want to deal with people in any way, just that my current playstyle is a playstyle that passively avoids them. You think I'm actively avoiding, I'm not.
Do you want an honest answer? You're just a stupid person not worth writing a lengthy reply for.
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Ki An
Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.03.01 15:20:00 -
[190]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah You're just a stupid person not worth writing a lengthy reply for.
Pretty delicious irony right there.
Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
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D4RK 0NE
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Posted - 2008.03.01 18:23:00 -
[191]
i tried to find some cheese for your whine,but the mice had eaten it..
guess ill go looking for you instead
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.03.01 18:34:00 -
[192]
The only whiners are you criminals, who stubbornly refuse to accept the fact that law enforcement isn't *****ing down hard enough on you, and that it is a logical, realistic and proportional response when Concord and the insurance companies take drastic steps to stop you parasiting scum.
So far, I have not heard any reasonable counter to my arguments: * void insurance upon Concord involvement in ship destruction * increase standing penalty for highsec ship/pod destruction
Actually it would be more realistic to: * make highsec offenders pay for the insurance costs of their victims
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Sekhmet Orion
Mandatory Suicide Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.03.01 18:42:00 -
[193]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah The only whiners are you criminals,
So this thread and the hundreds others like it whining about their precious pixels being blown up, were created by pirates?
You have failed on so many levels so far, now your memory has failed too
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.03.01 18:48:00 -
[194]
Originally by: Sekhmet Orion
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah The only whiners are you criminals,
So this thread and the hundreds others like it whining about their precious pixels being blown up, were created by pirates?
You have failed on so many levels so far, now your memory has failed too
I was referring to this thread as I was replying to the poster above me, but of course you just HAD to twist my words and interpret them in such a way so you could pour out some cheap insults.
Anyway, there's a massive whine thread about griefers being unable to wardec and gank corphopping players, why don't you make yourself at home in there?
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Dianeces
Minmatar Repo Industries
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Posted - 2008.03.01 19:15:00 -
[195]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Sekhmet Orion
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah The only whiners are you criminals,
So this thread and the hundreds others like it whining about their precious pixels being blown up, were created by pirates?
You have failed on so many levels so far, now your memory has failed too
I was referring to this thread as I was replying to the poster above me, but of course you just HAD to twist my words and interpret them in such a way so you could pour out some cheap insults.
Anyway, there's a massive whine thread about griefers being unable to wardec and gank corphopping players, why don't you make yourself at home in there?
You are such a terrible failposter. The thread you refrence is about a group of carebears using game mechanics to escape war, i.e. the non-consentual PvP that you agree to when you undock. Furthermore, the use of game mechanics (in this case war declarations) in no way constitutes griefing.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.03.01 19:31:00 -
[196]
Originally by: Dianeces You are such a terrible failposter. The thread you refrence is about a group of carebears using game mechanics to escape war, i.e. the non-consentual PvP that you agree to when you undock. Furthermore, the use of game mechanics (in this case war declarations) in no way constitutes griefing.
And you still don't understand that we DONT agree to silly griefing "PVP" when we undock, which is exactly what Goonswarm is doing and what those pathetic kiddie corporations are doing. If they want PVP, they can go to lowsec and 0.0, where it is perfectly endorsed and perfectly supported by the game mechanics.
But using holes in the game mechanics to escape grief is evil and using it to cause grief is good eh?
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Dianeces
Minmatar Repo Industries
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Posted - 2008.03.01 19:39:00 -
[197]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Dianeces You are such a terrible failposter. The thread you refrence is about a group of carebears using game mechanics to escape war, i.e. the non-consentual PvP that you agree to when you undock. Furthermore, the use of game mechanics (in this case war declarations) in no way constitutes griefing.
And you still don't understand that we DONT agree to silly griefing "PVP" when we undock, which is exactly what Goonswarm is doing and what those pathetic kiddie corporations are doing. If they want PVP, they can go to lowsec and 0.0, where it is perfectly endorsed and perfectly supported by the game mechanics.
But using holes in the game mechanics to escape grief is evil and using it to cause grief is good eh?
No. You're still failing. Whether or not you choose to delude yourself into thinking you don't agree to PvP when you undock is your problem. The simple fact of the matter is you do agree to it. If you undock, you can and will be subject to PvP, no questions asked. If you're not docked, you're not safe, period. Furthermore, your continual use of the word "griefing" demonstrates how completely clueless you are. If they want to PvP, they could go to lowsec and 0.0, or they could do it in highsec and watch all the ridiculous carebears floating about whine and cry bitter, bitter tears which taste so sweet. You may as well try and adapt, because it isn't going away anytime soon.
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D4RK 0NE
testicular Fortitude
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Posted - 2008.03.01 19:40:00 -
[198]
your tears... so tasty
its people like you that make my day
please continue, as theres nothing better than seeing a fool fall on his face over and over and over....
_________________ yes... I am nutz
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.03.01 19:46:00 -
[199]
Originally by: Dianeces
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Dianeces You are such a terrible failposter. The thread you refrence is about a group of carebears using game mechanics to escape war, i.e. the non-consentual PvP that you agree to when you undock. Furthermore, the use of game mechanics (in this case war declarations) in no way constitutes griefing.
And you still don't understand that we DONT agree to silly griefing "PVP" when we undock, which is exactly what Goonswarm is doing and what those pathetic kiddie corporations are doing. If they want PVP, they can go to lowsec and 0.0, where it is perfectly endorsed and perfectly supported by the game mechanics.
But using holes in the game mechanics to escape grief is evil and using it to cause grief is good eh?
No. You're still failing. Whether or not you choose to delude yourself into thinking you don't agree to PvP when you undock is your problem. The simple fact of the matter is you do agree to it. If you undock, you can and will be subject to PvP, no questions asked. If you're not docked, you're not safe, period. Furthermore, your continual use of the word "griefing" demonstrates how completely clueless you are. If they want to PvP, they could go to lowsec and 0.0, or they could do it in highsec and watch all the ridiculous carebears floating about whine and cry bitter, bitter tears which taste so sweet. You may as well try and adapt, because it isn't going away anytime soon.
I have already explained how this is griefing, and if you do not go look up my post and debate that logically, then I will hereby accept your concession.
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Sekhmet Orion
Mandatory Suicide Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.03.01 20:01:00 -
[200]
Edited by: Sekhmet Orion on 01/03/2008 20:04:18
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
I have already explained how this is griefing, and if you do not go look up my post and debate that logically, then I will hereby accept your concession.
So this is how you "win" arguments. You delude yourself, ignore everything that has been said to the counter (including CCP's own words) then continue to spout nonsense
Here's a pro tip for you....read back through the thread, and see how many agree with you. ( I think you even managed to embarrass self confessed carebears with your continual bleating )
The inescapable conclusion from this thread...is that you are on your own. This applies to your opinion, and your in game presence.
I doubt you can see that, as you seem to only be able to hear your own voice.
Of course your interpretation is that EVERYONE else is wrong, and you in your lordly wisdom (and ebayed char) is the only one that can save EVE.
There is a medical term for your condition
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.03.01 20:06:00 -
[201]
Originally by: Berrik Radhok
Originally by: Omarvelous
I'm probably going to be buried in posts here but...
I thought about this topic some more and I wonder what you guys think of it.
Leave the insurance system alone (removing it and you've increased the threshold of suicide ganking to the point of making high sec into no-risk sec).
Instead - if your character has committed crimes that involved Concord - they permanently lose Concord's protection. They go on a Concord blacklist. They can rat their way to high sec status to go anywhere in empire - but they lose Concord's protection, so if a carebear wanted revenge or freaks out that the guy is going to suicide his ship again - he can attack you and defend himself from your first strike - by attacking you first without getting Concorded.
Now suicide ganker has to consider a tank on his gank ship (slightly more difficult repeat customers) - and the whiney carebear has a means to defend themselves ONTOP of the reasons already given (you can FIGHT back and strike first!).
If I suicided in high sec, I'd love this because it would encourage more fights, and I don't need some lame ass Concord protecting me - BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT MEANT TO!
P.S. yarrrrrrrrr
This already happens. If your sec status is below a certain level, anyone can shoot you without consequences.
Yes, but you can't realistically fly around with out being petitioned for exploting (it's an exploit to launch drones and kill the faction police so you can fly around high-sec).
So no, it doesn't already happen, because if I jump to high-sec in anything bigger than an i-stab frigate I'm instantly webbed to 3m/s, scrammed, perma jammed. If I got my sec up and could fly through highsec about 100-150 people would have kill rights on me right now, and that'd be basically what he's saying, except it'd be all of EVE and a hell of a risk for anyone like me.
But hey I'm all for it. I hate the NPCs anyways and them not protecting me would be one less way for me to have to deal with them. ------------
Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.03.01 20:07:00 -
[202]
Originally by: Sekhmet Orion
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
I have already explained how this is griefing, and if you do not go look up my post and debate that logically, then I will hereby accept your concession.
So this is how you "win" arguments. You delude yourself, ignore everything that has been said the the counter (including CCP's own words) then continue to spout nonsense
Here's a pro tip for you....read back through the thread, and see how many agree with you. ( i think you even managed to embarrass self confessed carebears with your continual bleating )
The inescapable conclusion from this thread...is that you are on your own. This applies to your opinion, your in game presence.
I doubt you can see that, as you seem to only be able to hear your own voice.
The quote from CCP Wrangler did not apply to what I said at all. I can pull quotes out of my arse as a winning card, but if the card does not match color then it's quite pointless, eh?
There are plenty of people in this thread and the many other threads that agree with the two points I have made, just look around and see how many people say that insurance should be void when Concord pops your ship.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=714172&page=2
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=713603
I most definately do not stand alone.
Maybe it's because you sore losers threaten to hunt down and gank everyone you lose from on the forums that people are terrorized into keeping their mouths shut.
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Dianeces
Minmatar Repo Industries
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Posted - 2008.03.01 20:08:00 -
[203]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Maybe it's because you sore losers threaten to hunt down and gank everyone you lose from on the forums that people are terrorized into keeping their mouths shut.
ITT: You provide proof, or you STFU.
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Sekhmet Orion
Mandatory Suicide Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.03.01 20:11:00 -
[204]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=714172&page=2
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=713603
I most definately do not stand alone.
Maybe it's because you sore losers threaten to hunt down and gank everyone you lose from on the forums that people are terrorized into keeping their mouths shut.
So you found 2 people...wow.
And btw you can throw around personal insults all you like, but I am not the one "losing" ships
Btw, I am watching the alliance mining tournament...no sorry its the alliance mission tournament...oh wait, its about blowing ships up
Running missions and trading in game is a means to provide ships for the more fun aspect of this game.
You might want to look up the definition of fun as it seems that you fail to understand the concept. Maybe your calculator does not have it as a variable
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.03.01 20:11:00 -
[205]
Edited by: techzer0 on 01/03/2008 20:11:56
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah stuff.
Are you an alt of Jonny Jojo? Seriously... Chill on the replies to every other post and look at some ideas other than your own.
Insurance can't be voided, because that would flood the petition system when a person legitimately makes a mistake and gets concorded.
And people threaten to hunt you down and gank you not because of your ideas, but because of your posting style and choice of words... lay off the generalizations like "you sore losers" and stuff. and if you're scared of repercussions from posting, use an alt like you are, even if nobody will take you seriously.
Edit: I'm the second to point this out.. notice a trend? ------------
Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
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Dianeces
Minmatar Repo Industries
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Posted - 2008.03.01 20:15:00 -
[206]
Originally by: techzer0
Edit: I'm the second to point this out.. notice a trend?
It's obviously a "griefer" conspiracy.
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D4RK 0NE
testicular Fortitude
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Posted - 2008.03.01 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: techzer0 Edited by: techzer0 on 01/03/2008 20:11:56
And people threaten to hunt you down and gank you not because of your ideas, but because of your posting style and choice of words... lay off the generalizations like "you sore losers" and stuff. and if you're scared of repercussions from posting, use an alt like you are, even if nobody will take you seriously.
quoted for truth and signed
_________________ yes... I am nutz
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.03.01 20:19:00 -
[208]
Originally by: Dianeces
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Maybe it's because you sore losers threaten to hunt down and gank everyone you lose from on the forums that people are terrorized into keeping their mouths shut.
ITT: You provide proof, or you STFU.
Don't read thread much?
Originally by: Ki An Yes, that's exactly why I ask. Man up and tell me the name of your main so I can make it my personal mission to suicide gank you back to a noob ship plz.
Originally by: M'ing Pai Ki An, when you find out, if you find out apart from the forums, could you let me know in-game? I'd like to accompany you on that expedition. You know where to find me.
Originally by: D4RK 0NE i tried to find some cheese for your whine,but the mice had eaten it.. guess ill go looking for you instead
Originally by: Conq Er Edited by: Conq Er on 29/02/2008 02:37:27 So who else is running locator agents on Ankhesentapemkah now?
Originally by: duckmonster
Originally by: Conq Er Edited by: Conq Er on 29/02/2008 02:37:27 So who else is running locator agents on Ankhesentapemkah now?
I ran out of points hunting down people whining in the eve-o general thread :(
Let us know where he hangs out.
Originally by: Ki An Yes, I want to bully you into quitting the game, and no I am not sick. I am just very protective of things that I find fun. You are trying to get Eve changed in a way that would make it un-fun for me, so I will do whatever I can to stop you, including griefing the hell out of you and your ilk. As I said, nothing personal.
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.03.01 20:22:00 -
[209]
lol... well you have read this forum before haven't you? ------------
Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
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Dramaticus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.01 20:23:00 -
[210]
we're winning in 0.0 and empire. too bad we suck at the alliance tournament. Please don't use RL pictuers of players in Sig without permission. - WeatherMan |
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.03.01 20:24:00 -
[211]
Originally by: Dramaticus we're winning in 0.0 and empire. too bad we suck at the alliance tournament.
But goons still fail ------------
Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
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Sekhmet Orion
Mandatory Suicide Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.03.01 20:25:00 -
[212]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah tears
If you believe you are being harassed, then right a petition.
Killing people in the game is perfectly legal, and since your 4 year old char is not a noob, then you don't qualify for the can baiting noobs in starter systems.
Whilst CCP deal with your petitions of pointlessness, they might find some interesting wallet activity with your ebay dealings.
If I were you, I would not want to draw any attention to myself and start a CCP investigation about your char sale history
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Dramaticus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.01 20:25:00 -
[213]
Originally by: Volir Maybe the empire huggers should surrender? What are the Goon's terms?
Rifters. MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF RIFTERS.
Fleet Rifter
High 3x 200mm AutoCannons 1x Rocket Launcher (or a salvager module for cleaning up battlefields) Medium 1mn MWD Warp Disruptor I Stasis Webifier I/Cap Recharger I Low 3x Capacitor Power Relay I / 3x Overdrive Injectors or a combination of any of the aforementioned modules
guns are optional, the lifespan of this ship is about 12 seconds. Please don't use RL pictuers of players in Sig without permission. - WeatherMan |
Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.03.01 20:27:00 -
[214]
Originally by: Sekhmet Orion So you found 2 people...wow.
No, I found two threads which have a multitude of people that want something done about this highsec ganking, in which the criminals do not risk anything and do disproportionate damage.
Originally by: Sekhmet Orion And btw you can throw around personal insults all you like, but I am not the one "losing" ships
The last time I lost a ship was over a year ago, as I already said in this thread. As for the personal insults, I think that what I say is by far overshadowed by the insults and threats made towards my person.
Originally by: Sekhmet Orion Btw, I am watching the alliance mining tournament...no sorry its the alliance mission tournament...oh wait, its about blowing ships up
Running missions and trading in game is a means to provide ships for the more fun aspect of this game.
You might want to look up the definition of fun as it seems that you fail to understand the concept. Maybe your calculator does not have it as a variable
The activities that provides people with fun varies per person. I never said you cannot PVP, or that it is an unenjoyable practice in general. I personally do not enjoy it, but if you or anyone else wants to, by all means. If you want to do it in my backyard, there should be appropriate consequences though.
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Dianeces
Minmatar Repo Industries
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Posted - 2008.03.01 20:33:00 -
[215]
Edited by: Dianeces on 01/03/2008 20:33:24
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I personally do not enjoy it, but if you or anyone else wants to, by all means. If you want to do it in my backyard, there should be appropriate consequences though.
There are appropriate consequences.
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.03.01 20:36:00 -
[216]
Define: "Backyard" in eve please. Nobody holds soverienty in highsec (and we are talking highsec), so it's nobodys back yard
I'm nit picking, because the good ideas have already been posted and retyping them 100 different ways and adding to the lenght of the thread really does nothing for me. I don't mind suicide gankers, but it is true it's without much of a penalty. If there is a way other than removing insurance I'd rather see that looked at first rather than saying "OMG this is the only fix". ------------
Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
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Berrik Radhok
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.01 20:43:00 -
[217]
It doesn't matter one whit what you want. The fact of the matter is, your personal definition of griefing doesn't match up with the one in the EULA. You know, the one you agreed to when you installed EVE Online?
Feel free to petition the people who blow you up. Petition abuse can result in removal of the ability to petition.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.03.01 20:45:00 -
[218]
Originally by: techzer0 Define: "Backyard" in eve please. Nobody holds soverienty in highsec (and we are talking highsec), so it's nobodys back yard
Hush, Aliastra is a global corp you know
Originally by: techzer0 I'm nit picking, because the good ideas have already been posted and retyping them 100 different ways and adding to the lenght of the thread really does nothing for me. I don't mind suicide gankers, but it is true it's without much of a penalty. If there is a way other than removing insurance I'd rather see that looked at first rather than saying "OMG this is the only fix".
Agreed, this thread has degraded over the pages. I'm fully open to alternatives that rebalance this aspect of the game.
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Sekhmet Orion
Mandatory Suicide Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.03.01 20:50:00 -
[219]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I'm fully open to alternatives that rebalance this aspect of the game.
Since you don't work for CCP, or seem to have any understanding of the game. I am going to leave you now.
On the plus side...you have gone down in history along with Scious for providing some serious entertainment
This thread has been linked all over the place
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Praxis1452
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.03.01 20:50:00 -
[220]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: techzer0 Define: "Backyard" in eve please. Nobody holds soverienty in highsec (and we are talking highsec), so it's nobodys back yard
Hush, Aliastra is a global corp you know
Originally by: techzer0 I'm nit picking, because the good ideas have already been posted and retyping them 100 different ways and adding to the lenght of the thread really does nothing for me. I don't mind suicide gankers, but it is true it's without much of a penalty. If there is a way other than removing insurance I'd rather see that looked at first rather than saying "OMG this is the only fix".
Agreed, this thread has degraded over the pages. I'm fully open to alternatives that rebalance this aspect of the game.
It isn't going to get balanced.
I wish they'd balance it by removing concord's instapwnage when they arrive. Too bad I can't. -------------------------------------------- ôHe who must expend his life to prolong life cannot enjoy it, and he who is still seeking for his life does not have it and can as little enjoy it" |
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Ki An
Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.03.01 21:18:00 -
[221]
Why don't we all leave Ankhesentapemkah alone in this thread to debate with himself. That's apparently how he prefers life - alone - and since he's not listening to anyone else but himself, I'd say it's all for the better. This thread is monstrously funny though, but I'll still kill him when I find out who his main is.
Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
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JeanClaude DuSoir
Anqara Expeditions The OSS
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Posted - 2008.03.01 22:49:00 -
[222]
Ankh,
I will completely agree with you. Losing ships sucks. Because of the mechanics, or lack of mechanics, EVE attracts a certain type of player. Rewards are given to those who think quickly, act ruthlessly, and perform flawlessly. No where in EVE is safe. No where in EVE is safe. Just by pressing "undock", you could lose every bit of ISK in your name. The developers have built the game that way. It is by design. On purpose.
We get it. You either do or are planning to do video game design as your career. So you know that the developers can control the acts and reactions of CONCORD. They could make CONCORD instant. 0.000s arrival, lock, scram, and pop. They don't. Even in 1.0, there is a time delay before their eventual arrival. They could disable smartbombs in high sec when not in a deadspace pocket. They could make locking of pods impossible in high sec. They could even remove or alter insurance rules - removing insurance when CONCORD is on the kill, or adjusting the cost of all future ship insurances.
And they do none of those things. EVE has "existed" for over a decade now. The first bits of code were put into place in 1997. (I could be wrong on the exact date, but you catch my drift.) If they want to make the changes you suggest, they would have done so a long, long time ago.
If you don't like it, then EVE is not the game for you.
Resume forum whining.
/jcds
(And don't reply to me, because I probably won't read it.)
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Mr Friendly
That it Should Come to This Derek Knows Us
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Posted - 2008.03.01 22:50:00 -
[223]
Ankhesentapemkah, why are you playing Eve? You clearly hate most of the underlying mechanics that the rest of us love.
Do yourself a favour and play something else. Seriously. Or stop whining.
Preferably both.
Originally by: Mangala Solaris
EVE really doesnt have set goals, its a freeform sandbox - yes a sandbox with kids that occasionally take a dump in it, but a sandbox never the less.
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Mangala Solaris
Caldari Ma'adim Logistics
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Posted - 2008.03.01 23:15:00 -
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dayum.
As an empire hugging, mission running, alt-with-hulk-owning carebear, the protaganist/OP in this thread has even made me want to dock up refit for gank and find them and kill them over and over - just to taste their tears you understand!
I understand the "consent pvp when you log on" nature of eve, and always ensure I am ready for it, even if it makes my pve life slightly more annoying at times, from tanking the hulk to staying aligned in mission space to sub mission optimal fits on my mission boats. Why, I even salute the Goons for their latest "brainwave" - be it for the lulz or to help sales of goon made hulks along - its certainly made wandering through hisec more interesting than usual.
Seriously OP, just learn to tank your hulks - doable without compromising your mining ability too much - and you'll be fine.
As for the morales, check them at the log in screen. A video game isnt a place for them - unless you life in a Jack Thompson run perfect world. -------
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Maximillian Dragonard
mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.03.02 13:49:00 -
[225]
After looking through goon's killboard, it's patently obvious that the hulks that are being ganked aren't tanked in any way.. On those rare occasions I mine in my alt, I fully tank the hulk/mack just as heavily in empire as I did in 0.0. Not hard to make them survivable.. (protip: screw mining drones, pack a flight of t2 lights for rats, or ec-300's for player defense)
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Nohl
Faugh a Ballagh
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Posted - 2008.03.02 14:48:00 -
[226]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I'm fully open to alternatives that rebalance this aspect of the game.
I've got a great idea for rebalancing it.
Step 1: Explain to the hulk pilots in empire that, no, your ship is not safe in Empire. Step 2: Explain to them that CONCORD punishes the attacker, not defends the attacked. Step 3: Explain that if they want a cheap, insurable ship, they need to be flying T1 and not T2. Step 4: Kill every single pilot who can't grasp these concepts.
There, rebalanced. Not the game, mind you - the pilots.
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Ryan Darkwolf
Amarr Sins Of Lost Souls
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Posted - 2008.03.02 15:27:00 -
[227]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 28/02/2008 22:56:15
Originally by: Alowishus What if I want a career change? What if after you mine so many roids you can never fit anything other than mining lasers?
Mining roids isn't a crime.
Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I don't harm anyone else, so I expect to be left unharmed as well.
Sorry, this idealistic, unrealistic expectation is invalid in just about every aspect of life and I'm terribly sorry that Eve is no exception. Fortunately for you there are other games where this expectation will be fulfilled.
That statement clearly illustrates that you simply don't understand this game and it's not for you.
In real life, when you're guilty of a crime, you're sent to jail, and definately can't go walk around at the mall mugging more people left and right and have your insurance company replace your gun when the cops take it from you.
I must say..you have your skill level of reading still at 0...he wasn't talking about "buying gold can't sell character cause of CCP /whine" He was merely stating that if he had that stupid permanent -10 Sec as in SECURITY status..why should the person he sells his character to, have to suffer the -10 status when they may want to go to highsec... You are officially stupid..If I see you.. I shall pod you just because I can..of course you are an alt so..*sigh* ------------------- Mining in EvE is like playing a very futuristic version of asteroids....except it isn't as fun |
Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.03.02 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Ryan Darkwolf I must say..you have your skill level of reading still at 0...he wasn't talking about "buying gold can't sell character cause of CCP /whine" He was merely stating that if he had that stupid permanent -10 Sec as in SECURITY status..why should the person he sells his character to, have to suffer the -10 status when they may want to go to highsec... You are officially stupid..If I see you.. I shall pod you just because I can..of course you are an alt so..*sigh*
*sigh* Redo basic logic and comprehension 101 please.
I brought up the goldseller example as to that you can ruin your character in a way that it will be be unable to be sold, and that you are responsible for your actions and must face the consequences.
If you ruin your character and leave it with a permanent low security rating and noone wants it, it's your fault. There is no such thing as a right to be able to sell on characters for cash.
If I blow up too many blood/sansha/angels then the character will NEVER be able to run missions for them again either. If you blow up too many player ships.....
You know, consequences. Which should be a lot more permanent than they are now.
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Avaricia
The Accursed
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Posted - 2008.03.02 19:00:00 -
[229]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Ryan Darkwolf I must say..you have your skill level of reading still at 0...he wasn't talking about "buying gold can't sell character cause of CCP /whine" He was merely stating that if he had that stupid permanent -10 Sec as in SECURITY status..why should the person he sells his character to, have to suffer the -10 status when they may want to go to highsec... You are officially stupid..If I see you.. I shall pod you just because I can..of course you are an alt so..*sigh*
*sigh* Redo basic logic and comprehension 101 please.
I brought up the goldseller example as to that you can ruin your character in a way that it will be be unable to be sold, and that you are responsible for your actions and must face the consequences.
If you ruin your character and leave it with a permanent low security rating and noone wants it, it's your fault. There is no such thing as a right to be able to sell on characters for cash.
If I blow up too many blood/sansha/angels then the character will NEVER be able to run missions for them again either. If you blow up too many player ships.....
You know, consequences. Which should be a lot more permanent than they are now.
speaking of consequences, i remember all too well paying 18mil per large t2 gun, 20mil per invul II, 12mil per EANM II, 1900 per round of barrage M, etc; it's high time you rock-biting scum suffered for years of extortion.
I for one embrace the destruction of your kind in the most painful, expensive way possible.
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Dianeces
Minmatar Repo Industries
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Posted - 2008.03.02 19:01:00 -
[230]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
You know, consequences. Which should be a lot more permanent than they are now.
Fortunately, CCP disagrees with you.
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Ayame Mishima
xPlaguex
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Posted - 2008.03.02 19:15:00 -
[231]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah You know, consequences. Which should be a lot more permanent than they are now.
Hm... consequences of podding someone should also be a lot more permanent. Like permanently terminating his character? No? Hm okay, so why should the punishment be heavier?
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.03.02 19:33:00 -
[232]
Originally by: Dianeces
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
You know, consequences. Which should be a lot more permanent than they are now.
Fortunately, CCP disagrees with you.
We'll see about that.
Keep it up Goons, the more you kill the closer the day comes that these unbalanced game mechanics are fixed.
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Sekhmet Orion
Mandatory Suicide Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.03.02 20:02:00 -
[233]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
We'll see about that.
Keep it up Goons, the more you kill the closer the day comes that these unbalanced game mechanics are fixed.
OMG he's right. Zulupark suggests fixes to current suicide ganking in new dev blog
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=channel&channelID=3519
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Remlin
Caldari DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.02 20:28:00 -
[234]
The following response should have been read and ended this thread:
Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: Macropodder But to constantly attack pilots that are not doing PVP, that are not into PVP, is wrong.
No, this statement is wrong. To think that there are any circumstances or personal preferences in Eve where you should not be subject to PvP is wrong. It's not up to others to determine who doesn't want to be involved in PvP, it's up to you to avoid situations you find unfavorable.
Originally by: Macropodder I personally have several accounts. The actions of Fleetbee have made me seriously considering if I want to continue playing EVE
Based on your opinions, I do not believe Eve is the game for you. Expecting the game to change to match your expectations is not reasonable. If you don't like baseball you don't join a team and then try to convince them to play basketball. You had plenty of opportunity to play Eve for free and understand the the game before paid any money.
I wish you had quit before you made this thread.
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Dr Paithos
Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute
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Posted - 2008.03.02 20:37:00 -
[235]
Originally by: Sekhmet Orion
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
We'll see about that.
Keep it up Goons, the more you kill the closer the day comes that these unbalanced game mechanics are fixed.
OMG he's right. Zulupark suggests fixes to current suicide ganking in new dev blog
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=channel&channelID=3519
I'm no stranger to nerfs You know the rules, and so do I Risk/Reward's what I'm thinking of Wouldn't get this from any other game
I just want to post here how I'm feeling Gotta make you understand
Eve... never going to give it up CCP never let me down Never gonna run around and GBTWOW
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Zer'Adul
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Posted - 2008.03.02 20:52:00 -
[236]
Originally by: Avaricia
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Ryan Darkwolf I must say..you have your skill level of reading still at 0...he wasn't talking about "buying gold can't sell character cause of CCP /whine" He was merely stating that if he had that stupid permanent -10 Sec as in SECURITY status..why should the person he sells his character to, have to suffer the -10 status when they may want to go to highsec... You are officially stupid..If I see you.. I shall pod you just because I can..of course you are an alt so..*sigh*
*sigh* Redo basic logic and comprehension 101 please.
I brought up the goldseller example as to that you can ruin your character in a way that it will be be unable to be sold, and that you are responsible for your actions and must face the consequences.
If you ruin your character and leave it with a permanent low security rating and noone wants it, it's your fault. There is no such thing as a right to be able to sell on characters for cash.
If I blow up too many blood/sansha/angels then the character will NEVER be able to run missions for them again either. If you blow up too many player ships.....
You know, consequences. Which should be a lot more permanent than they are now.
speaking of consequences, i remember all too well paying 18mil per large t2 gun, 20mil per invul II, 12mil per EANM II, 1900 per round of barrage M, etc; it's high time you rock-biting scum suffered for years of extortion.
I for one embrace the destruction of your kind in the most painful, expensive way possible.
Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. Without 'rock-biting scum' as you so bluntly put it, you would not have those tech 2 weapons, shield mods, and ammo you love to use. Keep that in mind, when you wish harm on the industrial community.
As for the Goons going on a rampage in High-Sec, what's new about that? They've always done the unexpected. Now that BoB has backed off (slightly) they've got some spare time to make everyones lives hell. Just a fact of life.
The consequences that CONCORD provides, while costly, are mitigated by the insurance you can bet easy money on them having. Might I suggest the same for you? Strip Miners are not that expensive.
As for the people saying that tanking the hulk is the option, some of us don't have any combat skills to speak of. This would include most of the racial tanking skills. This is part of the cost of specializing in Industry.
As for the OP, he has a valid complaint in regards to just how rampant its becoming to be at risk of being shot down and/or podded. Part of the game, yes. Annoying as hell when it happens in high-sec, yes. As for the expectation that if I leave you alone, you will leave me alone. It's a reasonable one, no matter where you are. Games that have non-consensual PvP are included in that. Doesn't mean it's going to happen, though.
Now that I'm a flame target, time to check the gear... Thermal Shield Hardener, check. Thermal Armor Hardener, check. 'Always Get Away' escape pod, check.
Bring on the flames!!!
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IceGoon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.02 21:48:00 -
[237]
fleetbee is #5!!!!!!! maybe #6
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Avaricia
The Accursed
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Posted - 2008.03.02 23:11:00 -
[238]
Originally by: Zer'Adul Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. Without 'rock-biting scum' as you so bluntly put it, you would not have those tech 2 weapons, shield mods, and ammo you love to use. Keep that in mind, when you wish harm on the industrial community.
you really think for every one of you that gets all ****y and quits the game, 4 more don't spawn in your place to fill your role? eve is flooded with anti-social pre-highschool degenerates with otherwise vapid lives that need to farm mindless npc's and play magical space rock mining simulator to greedily hoard fake money to fill the void left in themselves by their unfulfilling lives, and unlike in the real world, in eve these social parasites breed like rabbits.
NEW reign of terror griefmatic |
Berrik Radhok
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.03 00:10:00 -
[239]
Originally by: Avaricia
Originally by: Zer'Adul Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. Without 'rock-biting scum' as you so bluntly put it, you would not have those tech 2 weapons, shield mods, and ammo you love to use. Keep that in mind, when you wish harm on the industrial community.
you really think for every one of you that gets all ****y and quits the game, 4 more don't spawn in your place to fill your role? eve is flooded with anti-social pre-highschool degenerates with otherwise vapid lives that need to farm mindless npc's and play magical space rock mining simulator to greedily hoard fake money to fill the void left in themselves by their unfulfilling lives, and unlike in the real world, in eve these social parasites breed like rabbits.
damn
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Yonneh
Death of Virtue Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.03.03 00:44:00 -
[240]
Originally by: Avaricia
Originally by: Zer'Adul Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. Without 'rock-biting scum' as you so bluntly put it, you would not have those tech 2 weapons, shield mods, and ammo you love to use. Keep that in mind, when you wish harm on the industrial community.
you really think for every one of you that gets all ****y and quits the game, 4 more don't spawn in your place to fill your role? eve is flooded with anti-social pre-highschool degenerates with otherwise vapid lives that need to farm mindless npc's and play magical space rock mining simulator to greedily hoard fake money to fill the void left in themselves by their unfulfilling lives, and unlike in the real world, in eve these social parasites breed like rabbits.
Grab a napkin homie, you just got served..
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Zorlag
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.03 02:24:00 -
[241]
Originally by: Avaricia
Originally by: Zer'Adul Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. Without 'rock-biting scum' as you so bluntly put it, you would not have those tech 2 weapons, shield mods, and ammo you love to use. Keep that in mind, when you wish harm on the industrial community.
you really think for every one of you that gets all ****y and quits the game, 4 more don't spawn in your place to fill your role? eve is flooded with anti-social pre-highschool degenerates with otherwise vapid lives that need to farm mindless npc's and play magical space rock mining simulator to greedily hoard fake money to fill the void left in themselves by their unfulfilling lives, and unlike in the real world, in eve these social parasites breed like rabbits.
See we're like this except we farm mindless PCs
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Nitemare111
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Posted - 2008.03.03 04:50:00 -
[242]
Originally by: Avaricia ... eve is flooded with anti-social pre-highschool degenerates with otherwise vapid lives that need to farm mindless npc's and play magical space rock mining simulator to greedily hoard fake money to fill the void left in themselves by their unfulfilling lives....
This is ******* beautiful. ------ "When in doubt, aim for the crotch." "There's no problem that the application of suitable firepower cannot fix."
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mahj
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.03.03 14:43:00 -
[243]
agree, Heck even in Ultima from which eve developers sprang there was jail time. Concord could have a hard rock mining camp that killers had to mine so much ore to get out. the worse the crime the longer the time. But if things dont change, Stargate is comming out this fall
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Lil'Red Ridin'Hood
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.03 15:04:00 -
[244]
Edited by: Lil''Red Ridin''Hood on 03/03/2008 15:04:37
Originally by: mahj agree, Heck even in Ultima from which eve developers sprang there was jail time.
I must've missed that. And I've been playing that game almost constantly pre-Trammel.
As far as I remember, jail time was only issued when you were caught griefing on a big scale and ignored warnings (see Galahad et al). And no, despite what that other person is saying, the suicide ganking operation is not griefing.
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Tutomech
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Posted - 2008.03.03 16:02:00 -
[245]
I am a carebear of the worst kind and I do appreciate the work goons are doing. They are giving economy a boost by increasing demand for ships...
So thank you.
And a litle bit about me: I am in a NPC corp only for the reason to be competative with other carebears that avoid wardecs.
I do believe that high-sec is overpopulated. But I also understand 'our' (carebear) side of the conflict as the game mechanics (skill specialization) of eve force carebears into the underdog role of the almighty warriors of EvE.
I also don't like the fact that many people in this forums would like to turn eve into a shoot-them-up game. I adore the complexity of eve and with few minor changes it would be a dream come true for me.
If if it was up to me to decide then:
* all chars would be forced into a player corp once they reach 2 million skill points (or face no skill progression)
* local should be altered to show only those pilots that have recently typed into it and without pilot count (so predators and pray can hide - IMO more exciting hunting)
* CONCORD bribes (wardecs) should be much higer since a war should have economic or strong emotional reason
* no insurance payout for crimes
* asteroids in 0.5+ should be much smaller (too small for strip miners)
* agent should loose 1 quality point each time a mission is taken from them and gain 1 quality point every 10 minutes (or so) if nobody accepts a mission from that agents (maybe it would make sense to gain/loose levels)
* NPC mineral supply should be removed (endless supply of shuttles and simillar FTL) -- signature --- Bah. Signatures suck. |
Zer'Adul
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Posted - 2008.03.03 19:07:00 -
[246]
Originally by: Avaricia
Originally by: Zer'Adul Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. Without 'rock-biting scum' as you so bluntly put it, you would not have those tech 2 weapons, shield mods, and ammo you love to use. Keep that in mind, when you wish harm on the industrial community.
you really think for every one of you that gets all ****y and quits the game, 4 more don't spawn in your place to fill your role? eve is flooded with anti-social pre-highschool degenerates with otherwise vapid lives that need to farm mindless npc's and play magical space rock mining simulator to greedily hoard fake money to fill the void left in themselves by their unfulfilling lives, and unlike in the real world, in eve these social parasites breed like rabbits.
Might I suggest counseling for your sociopathic issues? If you have problems with someone deciding to be an industrial pilot, then you need to take a break from the game.
If you think that name calling is going to clean up the issue, you missed the train. As for the supposed attrition rate, can't say I've seen any better out of most of the PvPers I've seen so far. One of you gets ****y and leaves, and at LEAST 4 more rise up to take his place. Now, who is the anti-social parasite?
People like this bleed so nicely, and taste so good it isn't funny. Please, keep trying. I'm rather throughly enjoying this.
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cosmoray
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Posted - 2008.03.03 19:32:00 -
[247]
Adds a bit of spice to mining.
I was in Brapeille on weekend and a statement came over local stating that AFK miners were gonna get popped.
I swapped out for my cov-ops and watched the show, sure enough about 10 minutes of bumping later a hack was popped by a gang of frigates.
very funny, keep it up. Pushes my ore prices up
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Avaricia
The Accursed
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Posted - 2008.03.04 00:17:00 -
[248]
Originally by: Zer'Adul
Originally by: Avaricia
Originally by: Zer'Adul Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. Without 'rock-biting scum' as you so bluntly put it, you would not have those tech 2 weapons, shield mods, and ammo you love to use. Keep that in mind, when you wish harm on the industrial community.
you really think for every one of you that gets all ****y and quits the game, 4 more don't spawn in your place to fill your role? eve is flooded with anti-social pre-highschool degenerates with otherwise vapid lives that need to farm mindless npc's and play magical space rock mining simulator to greedily hoard fake money to fill the void left in themselves by their unfulfilling lives, and unlike in the real world, in eve these social parasites breed like rabbits.
Might I suggest counseling for your sociopathic issues? If you have problems with someone deciding to be an industrial pilot, then you need to take a break from the game.
If you think that name calling is going to clean up the issue, you missed the train. As for the supposed attrition rate, can't say I've seen any better out of most of the PvPers I've seen so far. One of you gets ****y and leaves, and at LEAST 4 more rise up to take his place. Now, who is the anti-social parasite?
People like this bleed so nicely, and taste so good it isn't funny. Please, keep trying. I'm rather throughly enjoying this.
classic. i knew it was only a matter of time until someone this dense would chime in. here's your hint.
NEW reign of terror griefmatic |
Lady Karma
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Posted - 2008.03.04 00:52:00 -
[249]
Originally by: Zer'Adul Now, who is the anti-social parasite?
You. I refer you to the evidence below
Originally by: Zer'Adul People like this bleed so nicely, and taste so good it isn't funny. Please, keep trying. I'm rather throughly enjoying this.
See a doctor.
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Zorlag
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 00:52:00 -
[250]
Originally by: Zer'Adul
Might I suggest counseling for your sociopathic issues? If you have problems with someone deciding to be an industrial pilot, then you need to take a break from the game.
If you think that name calling is going to clean up the issue, you missed the train. As for the supposed attrition rate, can't say I've seen any better out of most of the PvPers I've seen so far. One of you gets ****y and leaves, and at LEAST 4 more rise up to take his place. Now, who is the anti-social parasite?
People like this bleed so nicely, and taste so good it isn't funny. Please, keep trying. I'm rather throughly enjoying this.
tee hee look who got trolled
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Zyxphoni
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 01:50:00 -
[251]
I'm gonna go ahead and offer a 50M isk bounty for the identity of Ankhesentapemkah's main/mining character because I'm operating under the assumption that after I suicide him a few times his forum whines will get even more extreme and that's worth the price in entertainment alone
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Quelque Chose
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.03.04 02:01:00 -
[252]
Originally by: Zorlag tee hee look who got trolled
"he didn't really want that nerd rage anyway"(tm) ______________________________
"Eve Online is a massively multiplayer game about trolling in outer space." |
Zer'Adul
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Posted - 2008.03.04 04:54:00 -
[253]
Originally by: Avaricia classic. i knew it was only a matter of time until someone this dense would chime in. here's your hint.
The first part of this is aimed at the above quote.
You open up with a full broadside, blasting my personal choice on how to play this *GAME*. And you have the gall to expect me not to bite back? This particular 'bear' has teeth, and isn't afraid to use them when the need arises.
Of the three playstyles in the game that everyone seems to choose from, I chose Industrial because I enjoy it. There is a rather large challenge to succeeding as an industrial. Anyone who does any major reading on their own can attest to the need to do something that isn't mindnumbing like combat. As most of you seem to think that PvP is where it's at, that's your choice. Leave the Industrials to theirs. If you want the prices to come down, vote with what's going to count. Your ISK. The more my losses accrue, the more you're going to keep paying to get the gear you want.
From what I've seen, Goons are giving a warning in local before rolling through the belts. Anyone ATK can respond to the bumps, or just not be there when the maulings start.
Considering long-term effects, Goons sweeping through high-sec is going to cause prices for finished products to keep going up. Not down. Drive the demand for minerals up, and prices for minerals skyrocket. Tritanium, for example, used to sell for about 2.5 ISK per unit. In the last week it's gone up nearly 50%. This increase in cost is then rather neatly passed along to you, the consumer, in the form of increased cost of your finished goods. Ships, weapons, ammo, et cetera. End result, your 1600 isk per unit ammo now costs you 3200 isk per unit.
This game is harsh by design. I've adapted to this already. If you don't like the quills, don't poke the porcupine.
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doctorstupid2
Blood Corsair's Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.03.04 05:10:00 -
[254]
Edited by: doctorstupid2 on 04/03/2008 05:14:19
Originally by: Zer'Adul
Originally by: Avaricia classic. i knew it was only a matter of time until someone this dense would chime in. here's your hint.
The first part of this is aimed at the above quote.
You open up with a full broadside, blasting my personal choice on how to play this *GAME*. And you have the gall to expect me not to bite back? This particular 'bear' has teeth, and isn't afraid to use them when the need arises.
Of the three playstyles in the game that everyone seems to choose from, I chose Industrial because I enjoy it. There is a rather large challenge to succeeding as an industrial. Anyone who does any major reading on their own can attest to the need to do something that isn't mindnumbing like combat. As most of you seem to think that PvP is where it's at, that's your choice. Leave the Industrials to theirs. If you want the prices to come down, vote with what's going to count. Your ISK. The more my losses accrue, the more you're going to keep paying to get the gear you want.
From what I've seen, Goons are giving a warning in local before rolling through the belts. Anyone ATK can respond to the bumps, or just not be there when the maulings start.
Considering long-term effects, Goons sweeping through high-sec is going to cause prices for finished products to keep going up. Not down. Drive the demand for minerals up, and prices for minerals skyrocket. Tritanium, for example, used to sell for about 2.5 ISK per unit. In the last week it's gone up nearly 50%. This increase in cost is then rather neatly passed along to you, the consumer, in the form of increased cost of your finished goods. Ships, weapons, ammo, et cetera. End result, your 1600 isk per unit ammo now costs you 3200 isk per unit.
This game is harsh by design. I've adapted to this already. If you don't like the quills, don't poke the porcupine.
Since you clearly still don't get it, we piratey types deal with what avaricia posted almost daily, it's a deliciously ironic post reversing the roles of what we normally see contained in those posts, countless hatemails, and cries in local. You only made it funnier by calling him a sociopath
MOVIES: Deadspace Deadspace 2 |
Kaplanelle
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 08:45:00 -
[255]
Man, if CCP does change this, I'd expect everyone in the last two years to petition old losses. It'd be terrible form to change this in response to this drippy orafice weeping about the mean people on the webernets.
I do agree there are mechanics that do need some tweaking: current insurance/sec loss system is off. But damn, me and several thousand others have probably lost more to empire piracy than you have. Suicided freighters are by far the more aggreived parties (you at least get modules), so srsly stuff it. I say this as someone who can only fly t1 industrials.
To be kind, I will help you with some solutions to fend off the e-bullies from what is common 0.0 knowledge.
1. Fly what you can afford... a Covetor ain't half bad once you realize the break-even costs are much lower.
2. Always watch local: It's a tool you've probably not be assed to really use to it's full potential.
3. Know your align time, and know that it can take ~20-30 seconds to find you in system, or mitigate risk with a WCS.
4. 1.0 and 0.9 space is far, far safer if you wish to be unmolested in your mining in your T2 rocksucker.
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Windjammer
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Posted - 2008.03.04 09:23:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Alowishus You can go from +5 to -9.9 in one day. Quit your whining.
It would be more reasonable when it went that after one highsec podkill.
I don't think that's reasonable. I've seen people accidentally pod kill someone before. What happens to them? They get relegated to 0.4 because their cat walked on their keyboard when they had smartbombs fitted?
Just admit you're one of those touchy carebears who doesn't realize they're in the wrong game.
How about if they do it more than three times they get the new and improved sec hit coupled with a real hard time getting it back?
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Dianeces
Minmatar Repo Industries
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Posted - 2008.03.04 09:35:00 -
[257]
Originally by: Windjammer
Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Alowishus You can go from +5 to -9.9 in one day. Quit your whining.
It would be more reasonable when it went that after one highsec podkill.
I don't think that's reasonable. I've seen people accidentally pod kill someone before. What happens to them? They get relegated to 0.4 because their cat walked on their keyboard when they had smartbombs fitted?
Just admit you're one of those touchy carebears who doesn't realize they're in the wrong game.
How about if they do it more than three times they get the new and improved sec hit coupled with a real hard time getting it back?
Or how about you quit trying to get unreasonable changes implemented to save your thin hide from the bad men?
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Alanna Kereshkova
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Posted - 2008.03.04 09:53:00 -
[258]
I've just had a look at the Jhidswarm's kill board and I must say some of the set ups for mining barges they have killed are truely pathetic!
What are the miners thinking of?
You spend upwards of 60m ISK on a barge and outfit it with 3 strip miners at, say 10m each, then you add cargo expanders and expensive rigs to add even further to the hold you have.
What have some of you in the way of a tank?
Civilian shield boosters!, shield rechargers or simply no tank at all !!
I'm sure as Hell if I'd spent over 240m on a set up I'd put shield hardeners in there or an armour plate!
Some of you deserve to be ganked.
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Cheng Yu
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Posted - 2008.03.04 10:03:00 -
[259]
Originally by: Alanna Kereshkova I've just had a look at the Jhidswarm's kill board and I must say some of the set ups for mining barges they have killed are truely pathetic!
What are the miners thinking of?
You spend upwards of 60m ISK on a barge and outfit it with 3 strip miners at, say 10m each, then you add cargo expanders and expensive rigs to add even further to the hold you have.
What have some of you in the way of a tank?
Civilian shield boosters!, shield rechargers or simply no tank at all !!
I'm sure as Hell if I'd spent over 240m on a set up I'd put shield hardeners in there or an armour plate!
Some of you deserve to be ganked.
As a miner im sad to say........ SIGNED !
Come on people, you can get 27k effective hp on a Hulk.
Even if entirely T1 you can get something like 23k
Macinaw pilots; i dont know what to say............youve had it tank wise im afraid.
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Quelque Chose
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.03.04 10:35:00 -
[260]
Originally by: Cheng Yu
As a miner im sad to say........ SIGNED !
Come on people, you can get 27k effective hp on a Hulk.
Even if entirely T1 you can get something like 23k
Macinaw pilots; i dont know what to say............youve had it tank wise im afraid.
Meh. Why bother? The most a suicide jockey can hope to get out of a hulk is 20-30 mil + ore and by the Goons' own estimates they spend about that much per gank ship; ergo, you can pretty much assume that direct profit is never the motive. With that constraint out of the way it doesn't matter how much it costs to take your hulk down so they'll spend exactly that amount.
In high sec, it's probably better to fit MLUs and expanders to max out your profit; that way it takes less time to pay off your next two hulks (should you need them at all). This is especially true given that: in the first 2/3 of 2007, 23000- odd hulks were built and of those about 10% got popped, and that; the total number of hulks in space has probably only increased since then and the current goon campaign has up to now accounted for less than 2% of that original number. The odds are really quite good and only get better if you max out your yield -- a hulk's best tank is probably the income it provides.
Low/ null sec probably a different story. YMMV IMHO ETC ETC. ______________________________
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Illwill Bill
Boennerup Banden When Fat Kids Attack
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Posted - 2008.03.04 11:51:00 -
[261]
Out of curiosity: Is the Jihadswarm attacking all miners, or only the AFK/macroing ones?
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Cheng Yu
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Posted - 2008.03.04 11:58:00 -
[262]
Edited by: Cheng Yu on 04/03/2008 12:00:27
Originally by: Illwill Bill Out of curiosity: Is the Jihadswarm attacking all miners, or only the AFK/macroing ones?
All, tho to be fair most of them will be afk or macros purely by chance.
EDIT: Should say that ceratinly atm theyre only going for exhumer. ( bar a random covetor or retriver here n there which i reckon was a error up on their behalf seeing as there really is no point in popping t1 miners )
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Wesada Drin
Minmatar 58th Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.03.04 15:19:00 -
[263]
Originally by: Cheng Yu
EDIT: Should say that ceratinly atm theyre only going for exhumer. ( bar a random covetor or retriver here n there which i reckon was a error up on their behalf seeing as there really is no point in popping t1 miners )
Other than for the sheer hell of it, you mean?
I can see this from both sides, but a single small change would sort the issue out for everyone: no insurance payout if you're killed by CONCORD.
In terms of game-based reality this would fit; no insurance company is going to give you cash for commiting a crime.
It would also (hopefully) silence those people who ask for more severe penalties for Hi-Sec podding.
Those commiting the crime shouldnt have an issue with it either. As they have pointed out themselves, they make their cash back from looting the wrecks.
And at the end of the day its actually a very small change. PVP remains non-consensual, suicide podding becomes very slightly less rewarding, miners in Hi-Sec feel slightly more secure.
To be fair tho, I cant imagine any changes will be made unless Hi-Sec suicide podding becomes rampant all across EVE space.
Now, where's my Happy Cat picture?
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duckmonster
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 15:54:00 -
[264]
Edited by: duckmonster on 04/03/2008 15:55:18 You guys realise its not even worth discussing this when this boards worthless moderators first moved then locked an official announcement, on the grounds we included a language translation for mandarin players (who seem to comprise a lot of the victims).
Considering this sort of blatant racism is actually perpetrated by the moderators (SHAME ON YOU) , to the point an OFFICIAL announcement is supressed just because it was structured to also help ESL eve players, theres little point posting on this topic.
Its just baseless speculation beyond this point.
fun facts: Banning non english speakers from boards will probably get you in trouble with the law in my country.
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Information Minister
The Ministry of Truth
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Posted - 2008.03.04 16:12:00 -
[265]
Quote: The most a suicide jockey can hope to get out of a hulk is 20-30 mil + ore and by the Goons' own estimates they spend about that much per gank ship
Looking at the ships they're using I very much doubt it costs them 20-30 mil per flying bomb.
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Todo Akamura
Caldari Royal Enterprise Infinite Innovation
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Posted - 2008.03.04 16:33:00 -
[266]
Well, we have our 'goons' in RL too: USA and friends (NATO if u insist). I know - u'll say that Asia is lowsec/0.0,won't u?
So i say if US Army can kill innocent ppl without any consequences, why should players have such a big sec hit when they pod some1?
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 16:52:00 -
[267]
There are no innocent people
Originally by: Avaricia look a goon lol
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Todo Akamura
Caldari Royal Enterprise Infinite Innovation
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Posted - 2008.03.04 16:57:00 -
[268]
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny There are no innocent people
Ok, so let's shoot every1 then. Holy Bloodfest every1!!!
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Traidor Disloyal
Minmatar V i r u s
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Posted - 2008.03.04 19:41:00 -
[269]
Originally by: Information Minister Looking at the ships they're using I very much doubt it costs them 20-30 mil per flying bomb.
Brutix seems the ship of choice and if all you load on it are guns, MFS, jammers, one load of Caldari Anti-matter per gun it will cost about 26 million isk if all bought in Jita. You can then insure that thing for 27 million at a cost of 8 million isk. Total isk spent after suicide is about 7 million. Go to a 0.5 system, find some hulks and go to town for a few seconds.
One crappy level 4 mission. Sounds like it might be fun.
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Cheng Yu
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Posted - 2008.03.04 20:23:00 -
[270]
Originally by: Wesada Drin
Originally by: Cheng Yu
EDIT: Should say that ceratinly atm theyre only going for exhumer. ( bar a random covetor or retriver here n there which i reckon was a error up on their behalf seeing as there really is no point in popping t1 miners )
Other than for the sheer hell of it, you mean?
The point is that yes anyone can still gank a t1 mining barge in high sec but its of as little consequence to the miner as it is the ganker, due to being able to fully insure a covetor.
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TeddyBr FTW
Caldari TeddyBr's Revenge
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Posted - 2008.03.04 20:50:00 -
[271]
The Goons are soon to be dying. Come on over to see why... and how to help out.
Goonie Gasbags On Notice: Death Is Coming
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Quelque Chose
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.03.04 21:45:00 -
[272]
Edited by: Quelque Chose on 04/03/2008 21:56:35
Originally by: Information Minister
Looking at the ships they're using I very much doubt it costs them 20-30 mil per flying bomb.
Given that they don't post their losses I'm not sure where you're getting this. My figure comes from one of the involved parties, though of course his reliability is always in question. If you watch the video, you'll see a number of battleships in there including a smartbombing raven.
*edit* Yeah I know, learn how to read a KB, right? Even by the cost estimates here in a Brutix the biggest haul per goon on the first page looks like about 8mil. If that's your idea of a for- profit activity then maybe I should donate you some cash -- point still stands. ______________________________
"Eve Online is a massively multiplayer game about trolling in outer space." |
Information Minister
The Ministry of Truth
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Posted - 2008.03.04 23:20:00 -
[273]
Edited by: Information Minister on 04/03/2008 23:20:38
Originally by: Quelque Chose Edited by: Quelque Chose on 04/03/2008 21:56:35
Originally by: Information Minister
Looking at the ships they're using I very much doubt it costs them 20-30 mil per flying bomb.
Given that they don't post their losses I'm not sure where you're getting this.
If I revealed my source, he would be suffer great harm. I'm sure you can understand my reticence in the matter.
Quote: If that's your idea of a for- profit activity then maybe I should donate you some cash -- point still stands.
You probably should. Let me know when to check my account.
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Your Favorite
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Posted - 2008.03.04 23:45:00 -
[274]
This whole post is based on a spineless clan that is plagiarizing historical Muslim sayings in what they probably consider a comical scenario. The fact of the matter is they are probably tired of mounting losses and boredom of not being able to effectively closeout their stagnant effort to hold delve and other contested space. So hiring out to the teenagers that play to suicide bomb defenseless pilots and sending much older accounts out to take advantage of CCP inability to establish actual control in Hi-Sec seems a more viable option. Now I know there are a couple big words in there and likely some sensitive subjects for you GS pilots but maybe your mommyÆs or the older more non-chalant members can read them for you guys.
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Scoundrelus
Dark Tornado Synchr0nicity
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Posted - 2008.03.04 23:55:00 -
[275]
Well if it makes you all feel any better, a member of Goonswarm accidentally sent me 800 mil isk while doing a character trade with another person. Don't ask me how.
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Kegan Coldwyn
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Posted - 2008.03.05 01:46:00 -
[276]
Originally by: Alanna Kereshkova I've just had a look at the Jhidswarm's kill board and I must say some of the set ups for mining barges they have killed are truely pathetic!
What are the miners thinking of?
You spend upwards of 60m ISK on a barge and outfit it with 3 strip miners at, say 10m each, then you add cargo expanders and expensive rigs to add even further to the hold you have.
What have some of you in the way of a tank?
Civilian shield boosters!, shield rechargers or simply no tank at all !!
I'm sure as Hell if I'd spent over 240m on a set up I'd put shield hardeners in there or an armour plate!
Some of you deserve to be ganked.
Around two months did not wear my hulk.
Throughout the past month may play 5 hours
I was using Civilian shield boosters simply because I do not have the time or desire to play online eve as I would like
And I do not like mining was something to be learned if my corp needed support, and therefore I can not seriously
I believe very sincerely bad taste these comments
And I do not regret having lost, it was something to that for entertainment.
But if I tell you that when I read an item on this, I think about jihad very very bad taste. And should give them more of a shame to make jokes with this issue. I have had friends that have been saved from death by 15 minutes
And at the beginning I took it as a joke but reading some reviews give me very bad vibrations. As this: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=718396&page=2#31
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Zorlag
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.05 04:59:00 -
[277]
let's all play the exciting game, asian macrominer using babelfish or just plain illiterate
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Jhyme
Amarr Igneus Auctorita
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Posted - 2008.03.05 05:29:00 -
[278]
The distance between .7 and .8 system sec status is now huge. Before it wasn't even noticeable.
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Berrik Radhok
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.05 07:22:00 -
[279]
Originally by: Your Favorite This whole post is based on a spineless clan that is plagiarizing historical Muslim sayings in what they probably consider a comical scenario. The fact of the matter is they are probably tired of mounting losses and boredom of not being able to effectively closeout their stagnant effort to hold delve and other contested space. So hiring out to the teenagers that play to suicide bomb defenseless pilots and sending much older accounts out to take advantage of CCP inability to establish actual control in Hi-Sec seems a more viable option. Now I know there are a couple big words in there and likely some sensitive subjects for you GS pilots but maybe your mommyÆs or the older more non-chalant members can read them for you guys.
lol
Quote:
[ 2006.08.25 22:30:46 ] fire 59 > mate, im 230 and 6 ft 3, half caste and train every day
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.03.05 07:50:00 -
[280]
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny There are no innocent people
Lies. I am so claiming to be innocent of any wrongdoing or rock munching.
/me hides his mining barge level 3 on his skill sheet ------------
Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
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Kozmic
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Posted - 2008.03.05 08:13:00 -
[281]
I didnt go thru all the pages but
Can I have your stuff?
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Alanna Kereshkova
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Posted - 2008.03.05 08:52:00 -
[282]
Originally by: Kegan Coldwyn
Originally by: Alanna Kereshkova snipped for brevity
Around two months did not wear my hulk.
Throughout the past month may play 5 hours
I was using Civilian shield boosters simply because I do not have the time or desire to play online eve as I would like
And I do not like mining was something to be learned if my corp needed support, and therefore I can not seriously
I believe very sincerely bad taste these comments
And I do not regret having lost, it was something to that for entertainment.
But if I tell you that when I read an item on this, I think about jihad very very bad taste. And should give them more of a shame to make jokes with this issue. I have had friends that have been saved from death by 15 minutes
And at the beginning I took it as a joke but reading some reviews give me very bad vibrations. As this: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=718396&page=2#31
I'll let you into a secret friend. You can train your character for better skills, like those shield hardeners that might've saved your life, without actually being online.
Yes training can be done whilst NOT playing!
If you have a busy real life but have a few minutes spare you can log on and change completed skills. We all do it.
As to being offensive, the post I wrote was tame in comparison to others posted here. You were one of many that didn't have a decent tank, others had small shield boosters which would do little or nothing when faced by a BC with blasters.
My advice is to grow a thick skin. (that means to not get upset by things too easily).
Eve is a harsh universe, not hearts and flowers.
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Kegan Coldwyn
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Posted - 2008.03.05 09:46:00 -
[283]
Originally by: Alanna Kereshkova
Originally by: Kegan Coldwyn
Originally by: Alanna Kereshkova snipped for brevity
Around two months did not wear my hulk.
Throughout the past month may play 5 hours
I was using Civilian shield boosters simply because I do not have the time or desire to play online eve as I would like
And I do not like mining was something to be learned if my corp needed support, and therefore I can not seriously
I believe very sincerely bad taste these comments
And I do not regret having lost, it was something to that for entertainment.
But if I tell you that when I read an item on this, I think about jihad very very bad taste. And should give them more of a shame to make jokes with this issue. I have had friends that have been saved from death by 15 minutes
And at the beginning I took it as a joke but reading some reviews give me very bad vibrations. As this: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=718396&page=2#31
I'll let you into a secret friend. You can train your character for better skills, like those shield hardeners that might've saved your life, without actually being online.
Yes training can be done whilst NOT playing!
If you have a busy real life but have a few minutes spare you can log on and change completed skills. We all do it.
As to being offensive, the post I wrote was tame in comparison to others posted here. You were one of many that didn't have a decent tank, others had small shield boosters which would do little or nothing when faced by a BC with blasters.
My advice is to grow a thick skin. (that means to not get upset by things too easily).
Eve is a harsh universe, not hearts and flowers.
OMG! I know that.
And I admit it was unwise
You have not discovered a new world
And I am not getting to comment on this issue as a player carefree.
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Lil'Red Ridin'Hood
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.05 11:28:00 -
[284]
Originally by: Kozmic Can I have your stuff?
Anyone who still thinks this line is original or even funny should be suicide-ganked and podded by GS. Repeatedly.
Unfunny people suck. Can't we get a stickied thread where people can write that type of crap all day long?
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Jaegan
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.05 14:57:00 -
[285]
Originally by: Lil'Red Ridin'Hood Anyone who still thinks this line is original or even funny should be suicide-ganked and podded by GS.
Unfunnyhadswarm? I don't know, it just doesn't roll off the tongue.
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TeddyBr FTW
Caldari TeddyBr's Revenge
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Posted - 2008.03.05 18:56:00 -
[286]
I am providing a service of killing Goonies in high sec space.
This service is to provide an outlet for all the miners who have been killed off by the Goonies recently and any others who just plain don't like the Goonies. If enough isk is sent in I will hire a second merc group to hunt down their alt industrial corps to hurt their logistical capabilies. (Bob take notice plz)
Goonie Gasbags On Notice: Death Is Coming (R.E.P.O. Hired)
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2008.03.05 20:10:00 -
[287]
Quote: Looking at the ships they're using I very much doubt it costs them 20-30 mil per flying bomb.
It should only cost them that much if they aren't insuring their ships...
I'll have to see if I can ship scan a couple of them tonight, if they're still in the Osmon area.
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Zorlag
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.05 20:29:00 -
[288]
Originally by: Ulstan
Quote: Looking at the ships they're using I very much doubt it costs them 20-30 mil per flying bomb.
It should only cost them that much if they aren't insuring their ships...
I'll have to see if I can ship scan a couple of them tonight, if they're still in the Osmon area.
because really, who has 30 million isk to spend on a ship?
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Danfortman
Rogue Logistics Services Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2008.03.05 23:08:00 -
[289]
Edited by: Danfortman on 05/03/2008 23:10:30 Griefers should not be able to Gank anyone in High sec. .5-1.0 end of story. They shouldn't even be able to pop a rookie ship without getting poped themselves. I see it all the time. These losers sit on gates and scan cargoes. When they find something good they destroy your ship and take whatever they can get. Now with them flying around killing everyone they can mining; its just terrible.
They should not be able to scan cargo with out aggression coming from that. Even better no one should be able to fire or even target anyone in high sec. That they do not have aggression with. Getting aggression in high should only happen if you Steal from someone or have kill rights. You should be able to fight in high under those circumstances and if you are currently at war with the pilot's corp/alliance. Yes high sec is patrolled by Concord but like your local police there going to get there during the act and in most cases save you. It takes time for them to show up is what i am saying. People should just not be allowed to commit crimes in high sec. I like the original post about making it harder for pilots to stay in high sec after repeated attempts to grief others. But my idea seems to work out better for people who don't want to pvp at all.
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Dreximus
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Posted - 2008.03.05 23:29:00 -
[290]
*Gets in 100% thermal resistance suit* Ahem. So, this is a PvP only game is it?
Originally by: ISD Zhuge Liang
The Stations and Starbases forum is a place for discussion on labs, factories, station services, mining, manufacturing, refining, minerals, moon mining and other similar industrial topics relating to the non-pvp side of EVE.
Hurray there are official posts saying it has a non-PvP side! Post has been up since 2004, so obviously CCP must agree. Linkage
So, I agree, let's make the PENALTY harsher for the suicide gankers (no insurance payout at the least and possibly faster sec hit, possibly give the victim the ganker's insurance payout), but let's not remove the ABILITY to suicide gank. Even if the game has a non-pvp side that includes mining. I don't want this to be space-WoW any more than the pvp'rs even though I am definitely far more carebear than I am PvP. I do enjoy my occasional destructive runs through the can flippers and such. I like some Empire PvP. But I will say the consequences don't fit the crime on suicide ganks.
I'm suprised this gem has been overlooked for what I'm sure has been almost 4 years of PvP vs non-PvP arguments and flames.
Discuss. :)
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Jaegan
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.06 01:06:00 -
[291]
Edited by: Jaegan on 06/03/2008 01:09:34
Quote: But my idea seems to work out better for people who don't want to pvp at all.
I have an even better idea for people who don't want to pvp at all: don't play Eve. It's not that kind of game.
Quote: Hurray there are official posts saying it has a non-PvP side!
If you choose to read it that way, by all means. If you'd rather read it properly, consider this... pvp is blue and pve is red. What Eve has is various shades of purple. It's a lovely, beautiful, epic purple game.
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Kahega Amielden
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Posted - 2008.03.06 01:20:00 -
[292]
CCP made a conscious choice when they made EVE. They made 1.0 different than .5. Rather than simply making players unable to attack others in hisec, they simply made it hard and costly. This is why 1.0 systems really -are- more safe than .5 sec systems.
Suicide ganking is an intended game mechanic and it will not go away just because you failed to adapt.
tl;dr: L2P
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Cado Orgo
mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.03.06 05:53:00 -
[293]
My theory is that they're doing it because they're bored and want to **** off people so much that the people will form alliances and what not to try and kill them.
Like how the bulk of people in the game hated BoB and wanted to see them die. Now that they're pretty much done perhaps the Goons are trying to make people hate them so that people will try to destroy them.
Just a theory, not a very well thought out one and most likely not the best theory. But I like it.
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Danfortman
Rogue Logistics Services Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2008.03.06 06:31:00 -
[294]
Edited by: Danfortman on 06/03/2008 06:33:26 "I have an even better idea for people who don't want to pvp at all: don't play Eve. It's not that kind of game."
Heres another way to phrase what CCP has done with eve. Griefers ability to gank people in high sec should be considered a over sight. Until CCP openly states that this is a intended aspect of the game. Until then we both can continue to say " this is how i play my game" and i can stand here saying "but this is the way things are." In other words players that gate camp in high sec and scan cargoes and suicide haulers. Along with other losers ganking Miners in belts. Are exploiting the game untill this issue can be addressed by CCP. So by all means Griefs continue to swear you have knowledge you claim to be Turth. But really have only your voice opinions to back it up.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.06 06:34:00 -
[295]
Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 06/03/2008 06:34:30 Wait, people hate us? I was unaware... I will take the matter up with our leadership
*edit* Woah... CCP has stated that suicide ganking is an intended feature of teh game MANY times... learn to use the search feature
Originally by: Avaricia look a goon lol
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Danfortman
Rogue Logistics Services Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2008.03.06 06:38:00 -
[296]
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny *edit* Woah... CCP has stated that suicide ganking is an intended feature of teh game MANY times... learn to use the search feature [:D
Prove it
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Lex Alandar
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Posted - 2008.03.06 07:07:00 -
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Please, encourage more of this "no insurance from concord kill" business.
Then everyone can get started on the next way to grief...can-flipping, then warping back out with under a minute left on your timer. Get the miner who has now got into a ship to f*** you up to lock you and agress just as the timer comes down, and boom, now the noob has no ship, OR insurance payout.
This entire thread is pathetic.
As mentioned, if you mine, and do not take ANY steps to protect yourself (aligning, fitting cloak, having an intel channel, being paranoid about local) then you have no excuse to whine.
All these things are necessary in lowsec, due to the nature of the game.
If you think there aren't consequences for those doing this, stop for just a second and look beyond the material **** that you've stated isn't a factor. Given there are plenty of people who support goonswarm, but I would hesitate a guess that there's more that hate them...and even more now that they've been on this campaign. This is how they've chosen to be known in EVE. The EVE universe changes based on the people, and politics.
You're right, murder in real life is unacceptable. What the goons are doing with this campaign has sparked all sorts of response, so just shut up about consequences.
It's been said over and over. I will say it in my way.
If you want to sit in a high chair, and have blizzard, or some other company sitting there, with a spoon full o' RPG, cooing "here comes the choochoo train" please, go play one of those other sad excuses for a game.
If you want to fight tooth and claw, life and limb, for every advance, with almost certain peril at every gate, in a universe where the only constants are death and refining taxes (don't forget the unmistakable influence of humans, which is what you really seem to take issue with here) then play EVE.
If it's the first option, or neither, please gtfo, you're only feeding the goonies the tears they run their failing death-machine on. As already mentioned. Several times. But you just keep on posting. So I'll just keep on writing short sentences. But that one got a bit long.
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Jack Brazen
Blue. Blue Federation
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Posted - 2008.03.06 07:52:00 -
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Originally by: Jaegan pvp is blue and pve is red.
I need to put this in my bio - finally show those damn Reds the truth! ----- In EVE - never bring a knife to a knife-fight. |
Karyuudo Tydraad
Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services
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Posted - 2008.03.06 08:30:00 -
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Edited by: Karyuudo Tydraad on 06/03/2008 08:34:24
Originally by: Danfortman
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny *edit* Woah... CCP has stated that suicide ganking is an intended feature of teh game MANY times... learn to use the search feature [:D
Prove it
Sure. Proof
My favourite bits are:
Originally by: CCP In the universe of EVE, no space is 100% safe. It is vital for every player to realize this as soon as possible after starting playing the game.
Concord can't prevent all crimes
While concord and faction police forces have a firm grip on all empire systems with a security rating of 0.5 and above, they are not powerful enough to make attacks impossible (nor are they meant to be).
Originally by: CCP
Kamikaze attacks
Despite the lack of absolute safety, empire space is still relatively safe. The biggest threat to the average player in Empire space is the risk of ôkamikazeö attacks when carrying a cargo of noteworthy value. Just like on modern day earth, the risk of attack rises with the amount of money sticking out of your pockets. If attacking you becomes a lucrative enough option, the best of neighbourhoods may become unsafe for you to walk around in.
Some players are willing to lose ships and their good standing with Concord for the hope of quick profit from a juicy loot drop. The ôkamikazeö attackers usually work in pairs or groups. They scan the cargo holds of bypassing pilots flying easily destructable ships until they see something worthy of a ship loss. They then blow up the ship and and while Concord do what they do best, a second character picks up the loot from the shipÆs wreck.
This is not seen as an exploit of the intended game mechanics and there is no compensation or reimbursement to be had for losses caused by attacks in secure space.
and
Originally by: CCP The intention was never to make attacks completely impossible or completely unprofitable. It is up to each player to take measures to ensure his own safety when travelling. This is especially important to keep in mind when oneÆs cargo is of extreme value.
Edit: Linkified!
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Tuberider
Caldari Pothouse Cartel
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Posted - 2008.03.06 10:13:00 -
[300]
'Eve Online is a bold SF online role-playing game that challenges players to survive in a hostile universe of traders, pirates, corporations, and police. It's a gigantic game: the huge playable universe contains some 5,000 star systems to explore. Your options are almost unlimited. You can play a pirate, sticking to the fringes and raiding player-character ships, you can mine for a corporation or play a privateer and help guard against pirates;
taken from some of the original text, it mentions pirating more than once and challenges the player to survive in a HOSTILE universe nowhere in eve is safe its not mean't to be
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Wesada Drin
Minmatar 58th Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.03.06 11:17:00 -
[301]
Bugger. That "no insurance for CONCORD death" was a good idea until someone brought up can-flipping.
Back to the drawing board.
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PaRaZiTuRL
Amarr modro CORPVS DELICTI
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Posted - 2008.03.06 11:40:00 -
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Posting in crap thread where bears cry. \o/
P.S. Nerf all that is not helping bears. -75% targeting range to warp distruptors seems like a good ideea.Talk about that.
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Tetsujin
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.06 11:48:00 -
[303]
Originally by: Cado Orgo My theory is that they're doing it because they're bored and want to **** off people so much that the people will form alliances and what not to try and kill them.
Like how the bulk of people in the game hated BoB and wanted to see them die. Now that they're pretty much done perhaps the Goons are trying to make people hate them so that people will try to destroy them.
Just a theory, not a very well thought out one and most likely not the best theory. But I like it.
Nah, if we wanted that I'd just put something offensive in my goonfleet.com signature again. This is just a bit of light entertainment to break up the monotony of the POS war we've been involved in for well over a year. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
Moostang
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.06 13:17:00 -
[304]
Originally by: Macropodder
The actions of Fleetbee have made me seriously considering if I want to continue playing EVE, because the rules have allowed Punks to start terrorizing players in high sec space because he and his fellow members of the Goonswarm have decided to hunt miners.
So you're upset that you're not 100% safe in a pvp based game.....I see now....
Moostang Darkstar 1 Goonswarm
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.03.06 13:42:00 -
[305]
Edited by: Malcanis on 06/03/2008 13:42:55
Originally by: Danfortman Edited by: Danfortman on 06/03/2008 06:36:09 Edited by: Danfortman on 06/03/2008 06:33:26 "I have an even better idea for people who don't want to pvp at all: don't play Eve. It's not that kind of game."
Heres another way to phrase what CCP has done with eve. Griefers ability to gank people in high sec should be considered a over sight. Until CCP openly states that this is a intended aspect of the game. Until then we both can continue to say " this is how i play my game" and i can stand here saying "but this is the way things are." In other words players that gate camp in high sec and scan cargoes and suicide haulers. Along with other losers ganking Miners in belts. Are exploiting the game untill this issue can be addressed by CCP. So by all means Griefers continue to swear you have knowledge you claim to be Turth. But really have only your voiced opinions to back it up.
here you go: http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=341
Attacked in secure space? Should I not be safe from attacks in high security zones?
In the universe of EVE, no space is 100% safe. It is vital for every player to realize this as soon as possible after starting playing the game.
Concord can't prevent all crimes
While concord and faction police forces have a firm grip on all empire systems with a security rating of 0.5 and above, they are not powerful enough to make attacks impossible (nor are they meant to be). They will attack unlawful agressors mercilessly and bring them down without failure. In many cases their intervention may not save the victim, but the agressor will be blown out of the sky and his security status lowered to reflect ConcordÆs lowered opinion of him.
Kamikaze attacks
Despite the lack of absolute safety, empire space is still relatively safe. The biggest threat to the average player in Empire space is the risk of ôkamikazeö attacks when carrying a cargo of noteworthy value. Just like on modern day earth, the risk of attack rises with the amount of money sticking out of your pockets. If attacking you becomes a lucrative enough option, the best of neighbourhoods may become unsafe for you to walk around in.
Some players are willing to lose ships and their good standing with Concord for the hope of quick profit from a juicy loot drop. The ôkamikazeö attackers usually work in pairs or groups. They scan the cargo holds of bypassing pilots flying easily destructable ships until they see something worthy of a ship loss. They then blow up the ship and and while Concord do what they do best, a second character picks up the loot from the shipÆs wreck.
This is not seen as an exploit of the intended game mechanics and there is no compensation or reimbursement to be had for losses caused by attacks in secure space.
How to travel more safely in "safe" space
The intention was never to make attacks completely impossible or completely unprofitable. It is up to each player to take measures to ensure his own safety when travelling. This is especially important to keep in mind when oneÆs cargo is of extreme value.
Pilots transporting valuables through empire space should therefore always hope for the best and prepare for the worst. Knowledge of the risks at hand and the right preparation can ensure a pilotÆs safety if he is selected as a would be target.
Here are a few general tips on safer travel through ôsafeö space:
* Fit to last If you come under attack, more hitpoints and higher resistances can save your ship. The longer it takes to blow you up the likelier it becomes that Concord will bring down the attacker before he brings you down. * Give the autopilot a break While travelling on auto pilot is a good option to have it may not always be the safest thing to do when transporting extreme valuables, even if your route lies through ôsafeö space. If your cargo is of great worth to you itÆs transport may require your personal attention...."
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Barantz
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Posted - 2008.03.06 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: Cado Orgo My theory is that they're doing it because they're bored and want to **** off people so much that the people will form alliances and what not to try and kill them.
Like how the bulk of people in the game hated BoB and wanted to see them die. Now that they're pretty much done perhaps the Goons are trying to make people hate them so that people will try to destroy them.
I suspect its more likely they have decided to try and monopolize certain areas of high sec mining and production for themselves.
They have said that certain areas of high sec are safe and won't be attacked. They will enlarge this area as people move to and become aware of it, until the area they want will be the only area they attack in, so that people will keep away.
The question is whether everyone else will put up with it and whether CCP sees what they are doing as legitimate or exploiting the ability to regularly gank without any adverse affects to their ability to operate in High Sec.
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Zedrik Cayne
Gallente Session9 Rising Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.06 17:01:00 -
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Edited by: Zedrik Cayne on 06/03/2008 17:02:50
Originally by: PaRaZiTuRL Posting in crap thread where bears cry. \o/
P.S. Nerf all that is not helping bears. -75% targeting range to warp distruptors seems like a good ideea.Talk about that.
Sounds like a great idea! Except that the majority of victims aren't paying enough attention to get out while the getting is good. So when the suicide gank machine wanders up...they are usually in knife fight death range and blown them sky high before the target even gets a spidey-sense tingle that something's wrong.
Or, for the bomb battleships where targeting is immaterial. Probably don't even fit a scram. Just hoping to get that second volley off before the target warps out or the cops show up.
Removing insurance payouts will not stop this.
Making the sec hit harder will not stop this.
Tanking ships such that a single yahoo can't ruin your day will slow it down. (They will just get organized and do it in small gangs)
But this is eve...Where there are plenty of folks who will be willing and able to go and push someone who is peacefully mining into the gutter, put their mouth on the curb and jump on the back of their heads with hob-nailed boots. Even if it means the cops will blow them to smithereens afterwards.
And I wouldn't have it any other way. --
Remember: Carebears aren't people. They are giant flying pi±atas.
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dakari
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Posted - 2008.03.06 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Zedrik Cayne Edited by: Zedrik Cayne on 28/02/2008 23:03:51 Edited by: Zedrik Cayne on 28/02/2008 22:58:16
Originally by: Cygnus Scott Real easy solution. After your sec status hits -5 say 10 times you start losing the ability to regain sec status. So once you hit -5 the 11th time you can no longer get to 10 rating but only to a 9. On the 12th time you hit -5 it drops to 8, and so on until you are permanently at -10. That's a lot of leeway to misbehave, and hey you can still do as you please but have to accept the consequences.
This game is about risk, reward, and consequences. But as a part of consequences, its also possible to gain redemption in the eyes of the law.
And the law, is just another corporation like the rest of them. They can be bought off. The judges also realize that 'hey, this guy is really making an effort to get in our good graces, maybe we can let him back into empire'.
Just like an addict, folks may slip. But there is always the hope of redemption and acceptance back into the fold of good galactic citizens.
And we're *pod pilots* for pete's sakes... Gods among the teeming billions of mere mortals. In the entire universe, there are only a few hundred thousand of us. Trading, manufacturing, making the universe better so your relatives can watch holoreels and drive fancy cars and eat crab legs. Without us the universe falls into barbarism. So we get to be above the law. It's why we are afforded cloning technology that is well beyond the means of most planet bound worms. And why killing one of us in space is not a problem. Because you get to wake up with your personality intact, and continue on. Nothing is lost by your death in space. Nothing that a planetary justice system would take note of anyhow.
Life's not fair. Get over it. EvE is even less fair. The gentlemen in question have accepted the consequences...and paid their dues, grinding their security status over weeks to get back to the point where they can once again wreak havoc in the paradise you like to call Empire. We like to call it our playground.
<edit> Jeez..rant-a-riffic </edit>
Missed the point tho, when you suicide gank honest citizens of the realm(supposedly honest) and pod killing them you are actually proving yourself to be a psychopathic murderer which in a normal society that concord is based upon, there would be no redemption.
Now if your just your average pirate ganking industrials and the like and not pod killing then your ideal would have some reality and belief in it.
I believe that those pod killing when suicide ganking should have a bigger security hit, and after enough pod kills should be banned forever from empire.As one poster said "this game is about consequences..." where is the consequence of pod killing people in high security then spending a few weeks getting your status back to 0.0?
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Nohl
Faugh a Ballagh
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Posted - 2008.03.06 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: dakari As one poster said "this game is about consequences..." where is the consequence of pod killing people in high security then spending a few weeks getting your status back to 0.0?
The "spending a few weeks getting your status back" part. That's the consequences. And if we're going all skippy ******** roleplayer, CONCORD simply feels that the few weeks effort ridding the galaxy of pirates is worth letting you back into Empire, even if they know you'll just kill some more miners.
And for even more roleplay fun... remember, CONCORD thinks even less of miners than the Goons do. They hate the little bastards, always having to leave the spacedoughnut shop to kill someone just because a dumb miner got ganked.
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Zedrik Cayne
Gallente Session9 Rising Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.06 17:29:00 -
[310]
Originally by: dakari
Missed the point tho, when you suicide gank honest citizens of the realm(supposedly honest) and pod killing them you are actually proving yourself to be a psychopathic murderer which in a normal society that concord is based upon, there would be no redemption.
Now if your just your average pirate ganking industrials and the like and not pod killing then your ideal would have some reality and belief in it.
I believe that those pod killing when suicide ganking should have a bigger security hit, and after enough pod kills should be banned forever from empire.As one poster said "this game is about consequences..." where is the consequence of pod killing people in high security then spending a few weeks getting your status back to 0.0?
You missed my point. There's a reason we as pod pilots have access to cloning tech. So the effect on a pilot getting podded in space is relatively low. (New clone, New implants, maybe spend a minute in station to say hi to the family, good to go) So the consequences for those who pod are relatively lax. I've flirted with heading down the dark side a few times. I personally don't have the stomach for the consequences, so I usually abstain from going whole hog blood thirsty sharpen my teeth and bite at the throat impulses I get. --
Remember: Carebears aren't people. They are giant flying pi±atas.
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dakari
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Posted - 2008.03.06 17:57:00 -
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Edited by: dakari on 06/03/2008 17:59:12
Originally by: Zedrik Cayne
Originally by: dakari
Missed the point tho, when you suicide gank honest citizens of the realm(supposedly honest) and pod killing them you are actually proving yourself to be a psychopathic murderer which in a normal society that concord is based upon, there would be no redemption.
Now if your just your average pirate ganking industrials and the like and not pod killing then your ideal would have some reality and belief in it.
I believe that those pod killing when suicide ganking should have a bigger security hit, and after enough pod kills should be banned forever from empire.As one poster said "this game is about consequences..." where is the consequence of pod killing people in high security then spending a few weeks getting your status back to 0.0?
You missed my point. There's a reason we as pod pilots have access to cloning tech. So the effect on a pilot getting podded in space is relatively low. (New clone, New implants, maybe spend a minute in station to say hi to the family, good to go) So the consequences for those who pod are relatively lax. I've flirted with heading down the dark side a few times. I personally don't have the stomach for the consequences, so I usually abstain from going whole hog blood thirsty sharpen my teeth and bite at the throat impulses I get.
If not for the clones, the game would end when you got pod killed.
The clones are the 'spirit healer" of WoW that res's you upon death, the looting of your own body in EQ1 and EQ2, without the clones you'd have just one life.
So your idea of pod killing having no affect is a false ideal.
So the developers created a system of "resurection" and punishment for causing that resurection and have allowed it to get lax by allowing pod killing in high security without any realistic consequences.
The players are adapting to programming of the game and people like you or worse are making up excuses for the developers being lax in their duty as a game developer in deciding which is abuse of their game and which is not.
Suicide ganking(edit: in high security) is not abuse in my opinion, pod killing(*edit: in high security) after suicide ganking is.
In a way you have to imagine MMO's in a way a roleplayer would, as a real society and universe, and in the eve universe suicide ganking is a valid pirate activity that garners a bad rep that needs to be fixed by killing other pirates or miitary activities, being a murderer is a whole level higher than just being a pirate after some loot, as shown by pod killing not being allowed even during a war dec.
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Icutty Lotz
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Posted - 2008.03.06 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Danfortman
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny *edit* Woah... CCP has stated that suicide ganking is an intended feature of teh game MANY times... learn to use the search feature [:D
Prove it
when the game was created concord was tankable but after the smartbombing in yari(dont know the exact spelling) proved the only oversite was to concord them helping and turn concord into a uber gank squad. The intetion of the game was to have suiside ganking just they have made it harder and people do not get away whith there shps now or kill hundreds of people in ganks.
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Zedrik Cayne
Gallente Session9 Rising Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.06 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: dakari The clones are the 'spirit healer" of WoW that res's you upon death, the looting of your own body in EQ1 and EQ2, without the clones you'd have just one life.
So your idea of pod killing having no affect is a false ideal.
So the developers created a system of "resurection" and punishment for causing that resurection and have allowed it to get lax by allowing pod killing in high security without any realistic consequences.
The players are adapting to programming of the game and people like you or worse are making up excuses for the developers being lax in their duty as a game developer in deciding which is abuse of their game and which is not.
Suicide ganking(edit: in high security) is not abuse in my opinion, pod killing(*edit: in high security) after suicide ganking is.
In a way you have to imagine MMO's in a way a roleplayer would, as a real society and universe, and in the eve universe suicide ganking is a valid pirate activity that garners a bad rep that needs to be fixed by killing other pirates or miitary activities, being a murderer is a whole level higher than just being a pirate after some loot, as shown by pod killing not being allowed even during a war dec.
You are missing it again..there is no murder. The only thing you lose is your implants. (And possibly some training time if for some ungodly reason you go out without a proper clone installed)
The universe has accepted that pod pilots are effectively expendable while in space. You don't quite seem to get the premise. Sure, concord doesn't like it when one of these highly trained pilots gets nuked. But other than that there is no real effect on a player from getting podded other than a couple mil for a clone and umpteen beelions for implants. It's not murder. It's barely inconvenient. Piloting ships is dangerous. The crew, tissue paper. Highly paid tissue paper, but tissue paper. They aren't pod pilots, in the grand scheme of things, they *don't matter*. Welcome to the universe you play in. Its cold, dark and hard.
PS: Pod killing is allowed during war. Concord has been paid off to ignore the entire set of altercations between warring corporations. Yup, sanctioned pod killing. Right in 1.0. So if you're going to argue this from a roleplaying sense. Get your universe background straight. --
Remember: Carebears aren't people. They are giant flying pi±atas.
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Macropodder
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Posted - 2008.03.06 23:32:00 -
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Well, seems like a bunch of yall have gotten way of point. The whole reason I started this thread was because the Punishment doesn't fit the crime. Look at my name. I hunt macro miners. I don't pod kill them, but I do hunt them. But, what GoonSwarm is doing is way out of the norm for ganking. I don't believe that the kind of podding that the GoonSwarm is doing is what was intended by the designers of EVE either. That's why I stated that it's time for them to change it and make the punishment fit the crime. Make the punishment stackable, and yes, redeemable. But not easy, simple or fast. You should drop like a rock to .4 space access by the 6th or 7th podding and no, you shouldn't get insurance for being podded. After all, it is a crime. I never said Space was safe. Nor did I imply it. I've only stated the obvious. The punishment for podding someone, (miner or not) doesn't fit the crime. For any game to have any kind of continuity, the laws that govern it should be somewhat realistic.
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Karyuudo Tydraad
Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services
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Posted - 2008.03.06 23:49:00 -
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It's a video game about internet spaceships you ******s. "Gee, I don't think this quite mirrors the real world." Well, no ****. Restriction on criminals is lax because CCP wants to facilitate PVP in the game. This isn't a game for carebears who want to sit risk free in highsec. This is a game for relatively hardcore carebears who know death is constantly lurking just around the corner, waiting for them to lower their guard. Who adapt in times of crisis. While you're here whining on the forum to an un-sympathetic game development company, the real miners of Eve are out there evaluating various tactics they can put into effect to escape death from a massive new enemy that has arisen to target their profession. It's only when there is no hope of adapting that CCP will consider changing anything.
And you do have tools at your disposal. You have local, an omnipotent intelligence tool. You have the directional scanner. You have the standings system. You have potential corp mates. You have defensive fittings and skills. You have the Jihadswarm killboard, rife with information on the ships they target, the systems they frequent, and the ships and fittings they use. You have the option to align, escaping would-be attackers before even the most capable can engage you. If you're not skilled enough to take these and develop a strategy using them, then you're doomed to failure. It's not hard. You're just lazy/incompetent. That's why CCP isn't helping you.
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Lindsay Fox
Disciples of Comus
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Posted - 2008.03.07 01:31:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny I'm up to -6.4 \/
Takes a while to get sec status back up when Band of Jackholes keeps making me have to stop in order to shoo away their impotent attacks in their feeble attempts to drive us out of Delve
7 kills in two months
Frankly, it's a wonder BoB even log in any more with this sort of destruction being rained upon them.
Zero losses in two months
You may be in Goonswarm, but you're not a goon. Coat-tail riding ftl.
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PaRaZiTuRL
Amarr modro CORPVS DELICTI
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Posted - 2008.03.07 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad It's a video game about internet spaceships you ******s. "Gee, I don't think this quite mirrors the real world." Well, no ****. Restriction on criminals is lax because CCP wants to facilitate PVP in the game. This isn't a game for carebears who want to sit risk free in highsec. This is a game for relatively hardcore carebears who know death is constantly lurking just around the corner, waiting for them to lower their guard. Who adapt in times of crisis. While you're here whining on the forum to an un-sympathetic game development company, the real miners of Eve are out there evaluating various tactics they can put into effect to escape death from a massive new enemy that has arisen to target their profession. It's only when there is no hope of adapting that CCP will consider changing anything.
And you do have tools at your disposal. You have local, an omnipotent intelligence tool. You have the directional scanner. You have the standings system. You have potential corp mates. You have defensive fittings and skills. You have the Jihadswarm killboard, rife with information on the ships they target, the systems they frequent, and the ships and fittings they use. You have the option to align, escaping would-be attackers before even the most capable can engage you. If you're not skilled enough to take these and develop a strategy using them, then you're doomed to failure. It's not hard. You're just lazy/incompetent. That's why CCP isn't helping you.
This.You get 10 points.
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Brindeal DeLorean
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Posted - 2008.03.07 13:01:00 -
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LOL 11pages of whining sad two comments on the subject
1.you will rarely hear anyone that has found ways to exploit game mechanics complaining about them or saying they arent fair
2.although i like to play EVE it really doesnt compare to any realist mmo game in terms of being a good game for many many reasons among them you can buy isk,you can buy characters,you can fully gather anything and everthing in this game by not even playing the game you can buy all the isk you want any ship you want and gain all the training you wish without even playing the game. Face it folks its not about you or me its about money in the pocket of CCP and if they didnt made training something realistic compared to any other mmo game in history they really wouldnt have 2hrs of content
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