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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.29 15:53:00 -
[151]
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Antodias So you're a super game programmer and have been playing EVE since its inception, but you: -still can't distinguish between real life and the game and -still insist on playing it when it clearly promotes PvP/PKing which you find "immoral"?
I've lost plenty of ships and pods. Some from PvP and a few from suicide ganking, and I have very little ISK at any one time. But I don't log off and throw my monitor at the wall and then type out a huge rant, I adapt and get on with it.
I've been playing for only 2 years, yet I see this huge rants all the time and they always get flamed to hell. Thus I find it very hard to believe that you've actually been playing for 4 years and expect everyone to have an epiphany when they read your posts.
4 years...? 4 years in a single corp, then left and stayed in a noobcorp since last July.
Diagnosis: 5 year old character that was sold last summer. Player is about 8 months old.
It clearly sais that I've been in Aliastra for 4 years and 7 months... I was in a corp when Eve got started but that didn't last long as all my carebear friends quit in months
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Jade Chicken
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Posted - 2008.02.29 15:53:00 -
[152]
I have a couple of high sec chars that've never, ever been killed, years and still on the original clone and implants. I sometimes venture into lowsec for courier missions but I run one char as a scout. My main, which has lived predominantly in 0.0 and lowsec for the past four years has been killed something like 100 times.
I split my time equally between my bears and my main. The fact is that in practice highsec IS safer. It's so safe that I've never been killed by a player with my highsec alts in four years of mining, trading, mission running and industry. I still realize I can be killed and I take precautions to avoid this but not nearly the precautions I do with my main. With my main I rarely ever leave my home system and I have scan spots 1500km from every gate I use, I don't even go to gates unless my friends are there and I have scouts up in adjacent systems. I play it very safe out there.
By comparison highsec is relaxed, almost to the point of sleepiness. You've never been to lowsec or 0.0, as you've stated many times, because you don't want to go there. Thus you have no basis for comparison when you say highsec needs to be safer. I suggest you do some research before making these assertions that, in practice, are totally false.
You saying highsec isn't safe enough is like saying pizza doesn't taste that much better than dog **** after never having tried dog ****. It's a totally invalid assertion.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.29 16:01:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Ki An Productive -> I would be doing my fellow eve-players a favor by taking you out of the game. We could then enjoy OUR game without your disruption.
Enjoyable -> I don't even need to explain this one, do I? I mean, your tears would sustain me for years.
I'll laugh when CCP ineviably rebalances highsec consequences while you and your compatriots are fuming and stomping your feet here at the forums and whine how unfair it is that they are limited in griefing other people in highsec.
Originally by: Ki An Waste of time -> Not a waste at all. I'd be willing to dedicate myself to taking you out completely. It's fun and profitable.
Obsessive/compulsive -> While that's a laugh coming from you, sure, go ahead and call me that. I'm going to be extremely obsessive about making sure your enjoyment of this game diminishes to zero, that's for sure.
Oh come on, I hardly need to fit anything to run missions, and like I said, if that gets too risky, I can always do l2 courrier missions, of which the majority can be done in a shuttle. You're more than welcome to go chasing and looting those.
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Ki An
Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.02.29 16:06:00 -
[154]
Edited by: Ki An on 29/02/2008 16:11:40
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
I'll laugh when CCP ineviably rebalances highsec consequences while you and your compatriots are fuming and stomping your feet here at the forums and whine how unfair it is that they are limited in griefing other people in highsec.
Hope you've braced for a hell of a ride before "CCP inevitably rebalances highsec", cause if you plan on using this character for anything else than forum posturing, you're going to cry salty tears. And, if CCP finally does decide to cave in to whiny ass carebears like you, I have the possibility of playing another game. You do too, but you don't wanna because you think you're entitled to 'remodel' a game to suit your style of play at the expense of everyone else. Selfish 5 year old much?
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Oh come on, I hardly need to fit anything to run missions, and like I said, if that gets too risky, I can always do l2 courrier missions, of which the majority can be done in a shuttle. You're more than welcome to go chasing and looting those.
Well, if not profitable, it's still going to be fun. Oh, and I won't loot if you bring crap. I'll just blow you up. Again and again and again.
PS. Please tell me the name of a game you have designed. Please please please. Was it Hello Kitty online? Second Life? Wally Bear Furratorium? Habo Hotel? Come on, don't keep us in suspense.
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Mo Steel
Caldari Sanguis vix Dignatio
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Posted - 2008.02.29 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah If people can gank miner again and again and again and again, then clearly it is not safer and Concord isn't doing anything to stop them. Yeah it requires a little bit more effort than it does in lowsec, which is why it's not as common in highsec, but that's just a false sense of safety, because if people do put a little bit of effort in it, they can kill you, not once, but whenever they please. Thus highsec is not safe at all as the current ruleset allows for all this garbage to go relatively unpunished just as it allows for it in lowsec/0.0.
You know, there are modules you can fit to combat these enemies. Most aren't listed under "Mining Lasers" though.
Two things:
1. Posting in epic fail thread. o/ 2. I'm offended by your mining of asteroids in high security. That's right, it offends me. How dare you. -----
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Icutty Lotz
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Posted - 2008.02.29 16:24:00 -
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yes i agree with the poster concord need to be more realistic in order to do this u have to call concord and tell them your getting attacked and with rl response times like
.8-1.0 somewere between 2-5min
.7-.6 5-7min
.5 10-15min(20 if they stop for donuts)
if the attacker is Minmatar then after concord blows up the ship they beat the pod down to 1 hp and they shut down the area around the attack to collect evidence.
but really this is a good part of the game i got mad when they made warp sraming agro pods a crime (had someone sitting there for 2h wile i went out for a wile ). This is part of the game it has always been in the game deal with it
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.29 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Ki An Hope you've braced for a hell of a ride before "CCP inevitably rebalances highsec", cause if you plan on using this character for anything else than forum posturing, you're going to cry salty tears. And, if CCP finally does decide to cave in to whiny ass carebears like you, I have the possibility of playing another game. You do too, but you don't wanna because you think you're entitled to 'remodel' a game to suit your style of play at the expense of everyone else. Selfish 5 year old much?
CPP won't cave in to whiny carebears, they will look at the game and conclude: "Hey, this nonsense they players are doing is currently tolerated by game mechanics, but isn't what we intended, let's change it".
Originally by: Ki An Well, if not profitable, it's still going to be fun. Oh, and I won't loot if you bring crap. I'll just blow you up. Again and again and again.
PS. Please tell me the name of a game you have designed. Please please please. Was it Hello Kitty online? Second Life? Wally Bear Furratorium? Habo Hotel? Come on, don't keep us in suspense.
Well then I'll just fly around in crap ships. Come waste your time on me. Attrition will be in my favor. I'll have so much fun, this time I don't even need to shoot at you and you still lose.
And just why should I disclose any personal information on a forum? You could post your adress first, maybe I can send you some nice fluffy soft furry carebeary postcards to ease your pain.
More serious: I'm under a full NDA and can't tell what I'm currently working on, not even the genre of the game or who the contractors are. I'll give a link to a spare time project in exchange for your adress though.
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Ki An
Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.02.29 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
More serious: I'm under a full NDA and can't tell what I'm currently working on, not even the genre of the game or who the contractors are. I'll give a link to a spare time project in exchange for your adress though.
So you haven't done any games in the past then? But you are a game designer now? Seriously, you've got to do better than that if you're gonna play the "I'm a game designer" card.
BTW, I'm a RL astronaut. Here's a picture I took out the window of my space ship.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.29 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
More serious: I'm under a full NDA and can't tell what I'm currently working on, not even the genre of the game or who the contractors are. I'll give a link to a spare time project in exchange for your adress though.
So you haven't done any games in the past then? But you are a game designer now? Seriously, you've got to do better than that if you're gonna play the "I'm a game designer" card.
BTW, I'm a RL astronaut. Here's a picture I took out the window of my space ship.
Oh yeah I did, but those were small games. Kiddie games too. I hated them, but you need to start somewhere.
And what is your obsession with trying to figure out what I'm doing in real life, what business is it of yours?
Still waiting for your adress.
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KapnKaboom
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Posted - 2008.02.29 16:50:00 -
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Ahahahahahaha! This thread is just chock full of win! Keep up the great work guys! Fill the whole galaxy with carebear blood and tears!
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Sekhmet Orion
Mandatory Suicide Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.02.29 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah they will look at the game and conclude: "Hey, this nonsense they players are doing is currently tolerated by game mechanics, but isn't what we intended, let's change it".
Are you sure you've been playing for 4 years. Do you recognise this quote
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Keep it up, this thread is a comedy gold mine.
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Ki An
Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.02.29 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Sekhmet Orion
Are you sure you've been playing for 4 years. Do you recognise this quote
He hasn't been playing for four years. He bought his character and now eeks out a living in Empire while dreaming about being a RL game designer so he can design a game that will only allow nice people to play. It has to do with his abused background you see. Take a look earlier in this thread for tidbits from that.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.29 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Sekhmet Orion
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah they will look at the game and conclude: "Hey, this nonsense they players are doing is currently tolerated by game mechanics, but isn't what we intended, let's change it".
Are you sure you've been playing for 4 years. Do you recognise this quote
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Keep it up, this thread is a comedy gold mine.
Completely irrelevant and missing the point.
If they wanted highsec to be a free for all gankfest with no consequence for murder, they'd drop highsec. Since they have not, it's supposed to be somewhat safer than lowsec eh?
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.29 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ki An He hasn't been playing for four years. He bought his character and now eeks out a living in Empire while dreaming about being a RL game designer so he can design a game that will only allow nice people to play. It has to do with his abused background you see. Take a look earlier in this thread for tidbits from that.
Whatever man, I don't have to prove anything to you, and I don't one bit if you believe me or not.
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Sekhmet Orion
Mandatory Suicide Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.02.29 17:09:00 -
[165]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Completely irrelevant and missing the point.
If they wanted highsec to be a free for all gankfest with no consequence for murder, they'd drop highsec. Since they have not, it's supposed to be somewhat safer than lowsec eh?
Yeah CCP Wrangler's idea of what EVE should be about is completely irrelevant
I don't think I've met a more intransigent person before. It is pointless discussing anything with you.
Can you find a quote from CCP in a Dev blog, or anywhere, where they say suicide ganking in empire is to change?
You really are quite a funny little guy
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Berrik Radhok
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.29 17:11:00 -
[166]
Quote:
As for why it is immoral, it's because there is a REAL person on the other end, someone that invested REAL time and REAL effort to get money to purchase the ship and fittings.
Why do you think so many do it? Because it makes real people whine and post hilarious things on the forums about how they shouldn't have to be subject to PVP in a PVP game.
Fine, whatever, you put in effort. Put in some more effort to protect your investment instead of crying all over the forums because CCP won't do it for you.
I'm glad the feelings of people I kill are hurt-- it means they're more likely to do something about it, like mabye come after me and give me a good fight at some point in the future.
EVE Online is not politically correct. We are not required to make sure your feelings are not hurt, and neither is CCP. On the contrary, we are quite allowed to make your EVE experience a living hell for so long as you won't defend yourself.
You are basically every carebear stereotype rolled into one, and your attitude is why a lot of 0.0 and low sec pilots consider empire pilots to be little more than food or entertainment (or both).
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Kestrix
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.29 17:18:00 -
[167]
I call myslf a carebear but after reading all the whine and moan threads about podding/ganking/suiside attacks ect in hi- sec I'm beginning to be embaressed by that title. If you want a safe game where you risk nothing go play guildwars. My self I enjoy this game as it is. So if you want to POD people or destroy their ships in Empire good on you, I hope you have a g8 time doing it.
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Tanshi Daiko
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Posted - 2008.02.29 17:21:00 -
[168]
I think the real issue comes down to being one of worthiness. It's one thing to be able to kill someone, but there are surely some kills out there that simply are not worth the bother.
A person can squash ants all he likes, but he isnt badass or tough for killing them. If he hunts a deer or heck, wrestles an alligator, he is considered worthy of praise.
There is a real pvp tendency in this game to shoot blindly at anything that moves and to believe that shooting is somehow valuable, when really its the target and the achievement that hold the value. If this wasnt so, then you may as well spend your days shooting cargo cans.
The so called Jihad on miners and suicide attacks certainly show a degree of power, which i can respect. Goonswarm is capable of influencing the fate of the whole world or the whole game. That's power and thats EVE.
What would be interesting would be if Goonswarm made a serious attempt to totally destroy either Highsec as a viable place to mine or mining itself. With a sustained killing frenzy, it would certainly be possible to do this and that would be noteworthy indeed.
What i want to know is...how long will they keep this up and will they have the guts to shake EVE's foundations?
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Doonoo Boonoo
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.02.29 17:35:00 -
[169]
Originally by: Stuart Price And I thought this was a pvp game.
For some players PvP=Player versus Plagiocase
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Fitz VonHeise
The New Order. United Connection's
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Posted - 2008.02.29 17:43:00 -
[170]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah * No insurance for concord-destroyed ships.
This sounds like the perfect answer.
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Quelque Chose
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.29 17:55:00 -
[171]
Edited by: Quelque Chose on 29/02/2008 17:55:23
Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo
Originally by: Stuart Price And I thought this was a pvp game.
For some players PvP=Player versus Plagiocase
That's pretty funny, but what's even funnier is the guy I saw in local last night down at the trade hub going "C'mon, maaaaaaan, somebody gimme 20 mil so I can insure this ship and go get it blown up. **** I hate carebears. :("
If I hang onto the money I make I won't even have to shoot that guy later, though in fairness he doesn't sound like somebody I ought to be worried about. It's a PvP game, sure, but it's not a shooter is it? ______________________________
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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge XIII Legio
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Posted - 2008.02.29 17:58:00 -
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I'm probably going to be buried in posts here but...
I thought about this topic some more and I wonder what you guys think of it.
Leave the insurance system alone (removing it and you've increased the threshold of suicide ganking to the point of making high sec into no-risk sec).
Instead - if your character has committed crimes that involved Concord - they permanently lose Concord's protection. They go on a Concord blacklist. They can rat their way to high sec status to go anywhere in empire - but they lose Concord's protection, so if a carebear wanted revenge or freaks out that the guy is going to suicide his ship again - he can attack you and defend himself from your first strike - by attacking you first without getting Concorded.
Now suicide ganker has to consider a tank on his gank ship (slightly more difficult repeat customers) - and the whiney carebear has a means to defend themselves ONTOP of the reasons already given (you can FIGHT back and strike first!).
If I suicided in high sec, I'd love this because it would encourage more fights, and I don't need some lame ass Concord protecting me - BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT MEANT TO!
P.S. yarrrrrrrrr __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
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Sekhmet Orion
Mandatory Suicide Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.02.29 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Omarvelous so if a carebear wanted revenge or freaks out that the guy is going to suicide his ship again - he can attack you and defend himself from your first strike - by attacking you first without getting Concorded.
So a bit like a Kill right then
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Berrik Radhok
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.29 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Omarvelous
I'm probably going to be buried in posts here but...
I thought about this topic some more and I wonder what you guys think of it.
Leave the insurance system alone (removing it and you've increased the threshold of suicide ganking to the point of making high sec into no-risk sec).
Instead - if your character has committed crimes that involved Concord - they permanently lose Concord's protection. They go on a Concord blacklist. They can rat their way to high sec status to go anywhere in empire - but they lose Concord's protection, so if a carebear wanted revenge or freaks out that the guy is going to suicide his ship again - he can attack you and defend himself from your first strike - by attacking you first without getting Concorded.
Now suicide ganker has to consider a tank on his gank ship (slightly more difficult repeat customers) - and the whiney carebear has a means to defend themselves ONTOP of the reasons already given (you can FIGHT back and strike first!).
If I suicided in high sec, I'd love this because it would encourage more fights, and I don't need some lame ass Concord protecting me - BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT MEANT TO!
P.S. yarrrrrrrrr
This already happens. If your sec status is below a certain level, anyone can shoot you without consequences.
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M'ing Pai
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2008.02.29 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Sekhmet Orion
So a bit like a Kill right then
QFT
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.29 18:55:00 -
[176]
Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 29/02/2008 18:54:54
Originally by: Berrik Radhok This already happens. If your sec status is below a certain level, anyone can shoot you without consequences.
And he wants to make it a permanent thing. That would be nice.
Originally by: Sekhmet Orion Yeah CCP Wrangler's idea of what EVE should be about is completely irrelevant
I don't think I've met a more intransigent person before. It is pointless discussing anything with you.
Can you find a quote from CCP in a Dev blog, or anywhere, where they say suicide ganking in empire is to change?
You really are quite a funny little guy
No, what Wrangler said does not relate to what I have said at all.
It's all about action/reaction, if the Goons start using dispropotional force in Empire space and get away with it, then CCP will react by increasing the consequences for this particular behaviour. But such things obviously go over your head.
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Sekhmet Orion
Mandatory Suicide Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.02.29 19:13:00 -
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Edited by: Sekhmet Orion on 29/02/2008 19:13:27
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
It's all about action/reaction, if the Goons start using dispropotional force in Empire space and get away with it, then CCP will react by increasing the consequences for this particular behaviour. But such things obviously go over your head.
Obviously the fact that CCP haven't said anything about disproportional force has gone completely over your head
Suicide ganking has gone on in high sec since the start of the game, you would of course know this if you had in fact been playing all those years, and not just bought a character.
For someone who claims to be such an intelligent man, you come across pretty ignorant.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.02.29 19:29:00 -
[178]
Originally by: Kestrix I call myslf a carebear but after reading all the whine and moan threads about podding/ganking/suiside attacks ect in hi- sec I'm beginning to be embaressed by that title. If you want a safe game where you risk nothing go play guildwars. My self I enjoy this game as it is. So if you want to POD people or destroy their ships in Empire good on you, I hope you have a g8 time doing it.
Ah that first, dangerous, thrilling step...
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Ron Bacardi
Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.02.29 19:46:00 -
[179]
I think we're all being pro-trolled.
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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge XIII Legio
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Posted - 2008.02.29 19:51:00 -
[180]
Originally by: Berrik Radhok
Originally by: Omarvelous
I'm probably going to be buried in posts here but...
I thought about this topic some more and I wonder what you guys think of it.
Leave the insurance system alone (removing it and you've increased the threshold of suicide ganking to the point of making high sec into no-risk sec).
Instead - if your character has committed crimes that involved Concord - they permanently lose Concord's protection. They go on a Concord blacklist. They can rat their way to high sec status to go anywhere in empire - but they lose Concord's protection, so if a carebear wanted revenge or freaks out that the guy is going to suicide his ship again - he can attack you and defend himself from your first strike - by attacking you first without getting Concorded.
Now suicide ganker has to consider a tank on his gank ship (slightly more difficult repeat customers) - and the whiney carebear has a means to defend themselves ONTOP of the reasons already given (you can FIGHT back and strike first!).
If I suicided in high sec, I'd love this because it would encourage more fights, and I don't need some lame ass Concord protecting me - BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT MEANT TO!
P.S. yarrrrrrrrr
This already happens. If your sec status is below a certain level, anyone can shoot you without consequences.
You're preaching to the choir man.
I was trying to suggest kill rights - which some people picked up on heheheh. __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
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