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Zorlag
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.03 02:24:00 -
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Originally by: Avaricia
Originally by: Zer'Adul Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. Without 'rock-biting scum' as you so bluntly put it, you would not have those tech 2 weapons, shield mods, and ammo you love to use. Keep that in mind, when you wish harm on the industrial community.
you really think for every one of you that gets all ****y and quits the game, 4 more don't spawn in your place to fill your role? eve is flooded with anti-social pre-highschool degenerates with otherwise vapid lives that need to farm mindless npc's and play magical space rock mining simulator to greedily hoard fake money to fill the void left in themselves by their unfulfilling lives, and unlike in the real world, in eve these social parasites breed like rabbits.
See we're like this except we farm mindless PCs
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Nitemare111
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Posted - 2008.03.03 04:50:00 -
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Originally by: Avaricia ... eve is flooded with anti-social pre-highschool degenerates with otherwise vapid lives that need to farm mindless npc's and play magical space rock mining simulator to greedily hoard fake money to fill the void left in themselves by their unfulfilling lives....
This is ******* beautiful. ------ "When in doubt, aim for the crotch." "There's no problem that the application of suitable firepower cannot fix."
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mahj
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.03.03 14:43:00 -
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agree, Heck even in Ultima from which eve developers sprang there was jail time. Concord could have a hard rock mining camp that killers had to mine so much ore to get out. the worse the crime the longer the time. But if things dont change, Stargate is comming out this fall
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Lil'Red Ridin'Hood
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.03 15:04:00 -
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Edited by: Lil''Red Ridin''Hood on 03/03/2008 15:04:37
Originally by: mahj agree, Heck even in Ultima from which eve developers sprang there was jail time.
I must've missed that. And I've been playing that game almost constantly pre-Trammel.
As far as I remember, jail time was only issued when you were caught griefing on a big scale and ignored warnings (see Galahad et al). And no, despite what that other person is saying, the suicide ganking operation is not griefing.
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Tutomech
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Posted - 2008.03.03 16:02:00 -
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I am a carebear of the worst kind and I do appreciate the work goons are doing. They are giving economy a boost by increasing demand for ships...
So thank you.
And a litle bit about me: I am in a NPC corp only for the reason to be competative with other carebears that avoid wardecs.
I do believe that high-sec is overpopulated. But I also understand 'our' (carebear) side of the conflict as the game mechanics (skill specialization) of eve force carebears into the underdog role of the almighty warriors of EvE.
I also don't like the fact that many people in this forums would like to turn eve into a shoot-them-up game. I adore the complexity of eve and with few minor changes it would be a dream come true for me.
If if it was up to me to decide then:
* all chars would be forced into a player corp once they reach 2 million skill points (or face no skill progression)
* local should be altered to show only those pilots that have recently typed into it and without pilot count (so predators and pray can hide - IMO more exciting hunting)
* CONCORD bribes (wardecs) should be much higer since a war should have economic or strong emotional reason
* no insurance payout for crimes
* asteroids in 0.5+ should be much smaller (too small for strip miners)
* agent should loose 1 quality point each time a mission is taken from them and gain 1 quality point every 10 minutes (or so) if nobody accepts a mission from that agents (maybe it would make sense to gain/loose levels)
* NPC mineral supply should be removed (endless supply of shuttles and simillar FTL) -- signature --- Bah. Signatures suck. |
Zer'Adul
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Posted - 2008.03.03 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Avaricia
Originally by: Zer'Adul Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. Without 'rock-biting scum' as you so bluntly put it, you would not have those tech 2 weapons, shield mods, and ammo you love to use. Keep that in mind, when you wish harm on the industrial community.
you really think for every one of you that gets all ****y and quits the game, 4 more don't spawn in your place to fill your role? eve is flooded with anti-social pre-highschool degenerates with otherwise vapid lives that need to farm mindless npc's and play magical space rock mining simulator to greedily hoard fake money to fill the void left in themselves by their unfulfilling lives, and unlike in the real world, in eve these social parasites breed like rabbits.
Might I suggest counseling for your sociopathic issues? If you have problems with someone deciding to be an industrial pilot, then you need to take a break from the game.
If you think that name calling is going to clean up the issue, you missed the train. As for the supposed attrition rate, can't say I've seen any better out of most of the PvPers I've seen so far. One of you gets ****y and leaves, and at LEAST 4 more rise up to take his place. Now, who is the anti-social parasite?
People like this bleed so nicely, and taste so good it isn't funny. Please, keep trying. I'm rather throughly enjoying this.
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cosmoray
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Posted - 2008.03.03 19:32:00 -
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Adds a bit of spice to mining.
I was in Brapeille on weekend and a statement came over local stating that AFK miners were gonna get popped.
I swapped out for my cov-ops and watched the show, sure enough about 10 minutes of bumping later a hack was popped by a gang of frigates.
very funny, keep it up. Pushes my ore prices up
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Avaricia
The Accursed
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Posted - 2008.03.04 00:17:00 -
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Originally by: Zer'Adul
Originally by: Avaricia
Originally by: Zer'Adul Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. Without 'rock-biting scum' as you so bluntly put it, you would not have those tech 2 weapons, shield mods, and ammo you love to use. Keep that in mind, when you wish harm on the industrial community.
you really think for every one of you that gets all ****y and quits the game, 4 more don't spawn in your place to fill your role? eve is flooded with anti-social pre-highschool degenerates with otherwise vapid lives that need to farm mindless npc's and play magical space rock mining simulator to greedily hoard fake money to fill the void left in themselves by their unfulfilling lives, and unlike in the real world, in eve these social parasites breed like rabbits.
Might I suggest counseling for your sociopathic issues? If you have problems with someone deciding to be an industrial pilot, then you need to take a break from the game.
If you think that name calling is going to clean up the issue, you missed the train. As for the supposed attrition rate, can't say I've seen any better out of most of the PvPers I've seen so far. One of you gets ****y and leaves, and at LEAST 4 more rise up to take his place. Now, who is the anti-social parasite?
People like this bleed so nicely, and taste so good it isn't funny. Please, keep trying. I'm rather throughly enjoying this.
classic. i knew it was only a matter of time until someone this dense would chime in. here's your hint.
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2008.03.04 00:52:00 -
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Originally by: Zer'Adul Now, who is the anti-social parasite?
You. I refer you to the evidence below
Originally by: Zer'Adul People like this bleed so nicely, and taste so good it isn't funny. Please, keep trying. I'm rather throughly enjoying this.
See a doctor.
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Zorlag
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 00:52:00 -
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Originally by: Zer'Adul
Might I suggest counseling for your sociopathic issues? If you have problems with someone deciding to be an industrial pilot, then you need to take a break from the game.
If you think that name calling is going to clean up the issue, you missed the train. As for the supposed attrition rate, can't say I've seen any better out of most of the PvPers I've seen so far. One of you gets ****y and leaves, and at LEAST 4 more rise up to take his place. Now, who is the anti-social parasite?
People like this bleed so nicely, and taste so good it isn't funny. Please, keep trying. I'm rather throughly enjoying this.
tee hee look who got trolled
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Zyxphoni
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 01:50:00 -
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I'm gonna go ahead and offer a 50M isk bounty for the identity of Ankhesentapemkah's main/mining character because I'm operating under the assumption that after I suicide him a few times his forum whines will get even more extreme and that's worth the price in entertainment alone
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Quelque Chose
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.03.04 02:01:00 -
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Originally by: Zorlag tee hee look who got trolled
"he didn't really want that nerd rage anyway"(tm) ______________________________
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Zer'Adul
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Posted - 2008.03.04 04:54:00 -
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Originally by: Avaricia classic. i knew it was only a matter of time until someone this dense would chime in. here's your hint.
The first part of this is aimed at the above quote.
You open up with a full broadside, blasting my personal choice on how to play this *GAME*. And you have the gall to expect me not to bite back? This particular 'bear' has teeth, and isn't afraid to use them when the need arises.
Of the three playstyles in the game that everyone seems to choose from, I chose Industrial because I enjoy it. There is a rather large challenge to succeeding as an industrial. Anyone who does any major reading on their own can attest to the need to do something that isn't mindnumbing like combat. As most of you seem to think that PvP is where it's at, that's your choice. Leave the Industrials to theirs. If you want the prices to come down, vote with what's going to count. Your ISK. The more my losses accrue, the more you're going to keep paying to get the gear you want.
From what I've seen, Goons are giving a warning in local before rolling through the belts. Anyone ATK can respond to the bumps, or just not be there when the maulings start.
Considering long-term effects, Goons sweeping through high-sec is going to cause prices for finished products to keep going up. Not down. Drive the demand for minerals up, and prices for minerals skyrocket. Tritanium, for example, used to sell for about 2.5 ISK per unit. In the last week it's gone up nearly 50%. This increase in cost is then rather neatly passed along to you, the consumer, in the form of increased cost of your finished goods. Ships, weapons, ammo, et cetera. End result, your 1600 isk per unit ammo now costs you 3200 isk per unit.
This game is harsh by design. I've adapted to this already. If you don't like the quills, don't poke the porcupine.
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doctorstupid2
Blood Corsair's Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.03.04 05:10:00 -
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Edited by: doctorstupid2 on 04/03/2008 05:14:19
Originally by: Zer'Adul
Originally by: Avaricia classic. i knew it was only a matter of time until someone this dense would chime in. here's your hint.
The first part of this is aimed at the above quote.
You open up with a full broadside, blasting my personal choice on how to play this *GAME*. And you have the gall to expect me not to bite back? This particular 'bear' has teeth, and isn't afraid to use them when the need arises.
Of the three playstyles in the game that everyone seems to choose from, I chose Industrial because I enjoy it. There is a rather large challenge to succeeding as an industrial. Anyone who does any major reading on their own can attest to the need to do something that isn't mindnumbing like combat. As most of you seem to think that PvP is where it's at, that's your choice. Leave the Industrials to theirs. If you want the prices to come down, vote with what's going to count. Your ISK. The more my losses accrue, the more you're going to keep paying to get the gear you want.
From what I've seen, Goons are giving a warning in local before rolling through the belts. Anyone ATK can respond to the bumps, or just not be there when the maulings start.
Considering long-term effects, Goons sweeping through high-sec is going to cause prices for finished products to keep going up. Not down. Drive the demand for minerals up, and prices for minerals skyrocket. Tritanium, for example, used to sell for about 2.5 ISK per unit. In the last week it's gone up nearly 50%. This increase in cost is then rather neatly passed along to you, the consumer, in the form of increased cost of your finished goods. Ships, weapons, ammo, et cetera. End result, your 1600 isk per unit ammo now costs you 3200 isk per unit.
This game is harsh by design. I've adapted to this already. If you don't like the quills, don't poke the porcupine.
Since you clearly still don't get it, we piratey types deal with what avaricia posted almost daily, it's a deliciously ironic post reversing the roles of what we normally see contained in those posts, countless hatemails, and cries in local. You only made it funnier by calling him a sociopath
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Kaplanelle
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 08:45:00 -
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Man, if CCP does change this, I'd expect everyone in the last two years to petition old losses. It'd be terrible form to change this in response to this drippy orafice weeping about the mean people on the webernets.
I do agree there are mechanics that do need some tweaking: current insurance/sec loss system is off. But damn, me and several thousand others have probably lost more to empire piracy than you have. Suicided freighters are by far the more aggreived parties (you at least get modules), so srsly stuff it. I say this as someone who can only fly t1 industrials.
To be kind, I will help you with some solutions to fend off the e-bullies from what is common 0.0 knowledge.
1. Fly what you can afford... a Covetor ain't half bad once you realize the break-even costs are much lower.
2. Always watch local: It's a tool you've probably not be assed to really use to it's full potential.
3. Know your align time, and know that it can take ~20-30 seconds to find you in system, or mitigate risk with a WCS.
4. 1.0 and 0.9 space is far, far safer if you wish to be unmolested in your mining in your T2 rocksucker.
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Windjammer
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Posted - 2008.03.04 09:23:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Alowishus You can go from +5 to -9.9 in one day. Quit your whining.
It would be more reasonable when it went that after one highsec podkill.
I don't think that's reasonable. I've seen people accidentally pod kill someone before. What happens to them? They get relegated to 0.4 because their cat walked on their keyboard when they had smartbombs fitted?
Just admit you're one of those touchy carebears who doesn't realize they're in the wrong game.
How about if they do it more than three times they get the new and improved sec hit coupled with a real hard time getting it back?
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Dianeces
Minmatar Repo Industries
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Posted - 2008.03.04 09:35:00 -
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Originally by: Windjammer
Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Alowishus You can go from +5 to -9.9 in one day. Quit your whining.
It would be more reasonable when it went that after one highsec podkill.
I don't think that's reasonable. I've seen people accidentally pod kill someone before. What happens to them? They get relegated to 0.4 because their cat walked on their keyboard when they had smartbombs fitted?
Just admit you're one of those touchy carebears who doesn't realize they're in the wrong game.
How about if they do it more than three times they get the new and improved sec hit coupled with a real hard time getting it back?
Or how about you quit trying to get unreasonable changes implemented to save your thin hide from the bad men?
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Alanna Kereshkova
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Posted - 2008.03.04 09:53:00 -
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I've just had a look at the Jhidswarm's kill board and I must say some of the set ups for mining barges they have killed are truely pathetic!
What are the miners thinking of?
You spend upwards of 60m ISK on a barge and outfit it with 3 strip miners at, say 10m each, then you add cargo expanders and expensive rigs to add even further to the hold you have.
What have some of you in the way of a tank?
Civilian shield boosters!, shield rechargers or simply no tank at all !!
I'm sure as Hell if I'd spent over 240m on a set up I'd put shield hardeners in there or an armour plate!
Some of you deserve to be ganked.
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Cheng Yu
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Posted - 2008.03.04 10:03:00 -
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Originally by: Alanna Kereshkova I've just had a look at the Jhidswarm's kill board and I must say some of the set ups for mining barges they have killed are truely pathetic!
What are the miners thinking of?
You spend upwards of 60m ISK on a barge and outfit it with 3 strip miners at, say 10m each, then you add cargo expanders and expensive rigs to add even further to the hold you have.
What have some of you in the way of a tank?
Civilian shield boosters!, shield rechargers or simply no tank at all !!
I'm sure as Hell if I'd spent over 240m on a set up I'd put shield hardeners in there or an armour plate!
Some of you deserve to be ganked.
As a miner im sad to say........ SIGNED !
Come on people, you can get 27k effective hp on a Hulk.
Even if entirely T1 you can get something like 23k
Macinaw pilots; i dont know what to say............youve had it tank wise im afraid.
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Quelque Chose
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.03.04 10:35:00 -
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Originally by: Cheng Yu
As a miner im sad to say........ SIGNED !
Come on people, you can get 27k effective hp on a Hulk.
Even if entirely T1 you can get something like 23k
Macinaw pilots; i dont know what to say............youve had it tank wise im afraid.
Meh. Why bother? The most a suicide jockey can hope to get out of a hulk is 20-30 mil + ore and by the Goons' own estimates they spend about that much per gank ship; ergo, you can pretty much assume that direct profit is never the motive. With that constraint out of the way it doesn't matter how much it costs to take your hulk down so they'll spend exactly that amount.
In high sec, it's probably better to fit MLUs and expanders to max out your profit; that way it takes less time to pay off your next two hulks (should you need them at all). This is especially true given that: in the first 2/3 of 2007, 23000- odd hulks were built and of those about 10% got popped, and that; the total number of hulks in space has probably only increased since then and the current goon campaign has up to now accounted for less than 2% of that original number. The odds are really quite good and only get better if you max out your yield -- a hulk's best tank is probably the income it provides.
Low/ null sec probably a different story. YMMV IMHO ETC ETC. ______________________________
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Illwill Bill
Boennerup Banden When Fat Kids Attack
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Posted - 2008.03.04 11:51:00 -
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Out of curiosity: Is the Jihadswarm attacking all miners, or only the AFK/macroing ones?
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Cheng Yu
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Posted - 2008.03.04 11:58:00 -
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Edited by: Cheng Yu on 04/03/2008 12:00:27
Originally by: Illwill Bill Out of curiosity: Is the Jihadswarm attacking all miners, or only the AFK/macroing ones?
All, tho to be fair most of them will be afk or macros purely by chance.
EDIT: Should say that ceratinly atm theyre only going for exhumer. ( bar a random covetor or retriver here n there which i reckon was a error up on their behalf seeing as there really is no point in popping t1 miners )
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Wesada Drin
Minmatar 58th Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.03.04 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Cheng Yu
EDIT: Should say that ceratinly atm theyre only going for exhumer. ( bar a random covetor or retriver here n there which i reckon was a error up on their behalf seeing as there really is no point in popping t1 miners )
Other than for the sheer hell of it, you mean?
I can see this from both sides, but a single small change would sort the issue out for everyone: no insurance payout if you're killed by CONCORD.
In terms of game-based reality this would fit; no insurance company is going to give you cash for commiting a crime.
It would also (hopefully) silence those people who ask for more severe penalties for Hi-Sec podding.
Those commiting the crime shouldnt have an issue with it either. As they have pointed out themselves, they make their cash back from looting the wrecks.
And at the end of the day its actually a very small change. PVP remains non-consensual, suicide podding becomes very slightly less rewarding, miners in Hi-Sec feel slightly more secure.
To be fair tho, I cant imagine any changes will be made unless Hi-Sec suicide podding becomes rampant all across EVE space.
Now, where's my Happy Cat picture?
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duckmonster
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 15:54:00 -
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Edited by: duckmonster on 04/03/2008 15:55:18 You guys realise its not even worth discussing this when this boards worthless moderators first moved then locked an official announcement, on the grounds we included a language translation for mandarin players (who seem to comprise a lot of the victims).
Considering this sort of blatant racism is actually perpetrated by the moderators (SHAME ON YOU) , to the point an OFFICIAL announcement is supressed just because it was structured to also help ESL eve players, theres little point posting on this topic.
Its just baseless speculation beyond this point.
fun facts: Banning non english speakers from boards will probably get you in trouble with the law in my country.
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Information Minister
The Ministry of Truth
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Posted - 2008.03.04 16:12:00 -
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Quote: The most a suicide jockey can hope to get out of a hulk is 20-30 mil + ore and by the Goons' own estimates they spend about that much per gank ship
Looking at the ships they're using I very much doubt it costs them 20-30 mil per flying bomb.
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Todo Akamura
Caldari Royal Enterprise Infinite Innovation
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Posted - 2008.03.04 16:33:00 -
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Well, we have our 'goons' in RL too: USA and friends (NATO if u insist). I know - u'll say that Asia is lowsec/0.0,won't u?
So i say if US Army can kill innocent ppl without any consequences, why should players have such a big sec hit when they pod some1?
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 16:52:00 -
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There are no innocent people
Originally by: Avaricia look a goon lol
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Todo Akamura
Caldari Royal Enterprise Infinite Innovation
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Posted - 2008.03.04 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny There are no innocent people
Ok, so let's shoot every1 then. Holy Bloodfest every1!!!
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Traidor Disloyal
Minmatar V i r u s
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Posted - 2008.03.04 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Information Minister Looking at the ships they're using I very much doubt it costs them 20-30 mil per flying bomb.
Brutix seems the ship of choice and if all you load on it are guns, MFS, jammers, one load of Caldari Anti-matter per gun it will cost about 26 million isk if all bought in Jita. You can then insure that thing for 27 million at a cost of 8 million isk. Total isk spent after suicide is about 7 million. Go to a 0.5 system, find some hulks and go to town for a few seconds.
One crappy level 4 mission. Sounds like it might be fun.
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Cheng Yu
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Posted - 2008.03.04 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: Wesada Drin
Originally by: Cheng Yu
EDIT: Should say that ceratinly atm theyre only going for exhumer. ( bar a random covetor or retriver here n there which i reckon was a error up on their behalf seeing as there really is no point in popping t1 miners )
Other than for the sheer hell of it, you mean?
The point is that yes anyone can still gank a t1 mining barge in high sec but its of as little consequence to the miner as it is the ganker, due to being able to fully insure a covetor.
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