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Myadra
Amarr Cruoris Seraphim
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Posted - 2008.03.03 18:18:00 -
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Today, As the main Diplomat for CR-SE. We have set Goonswarm to -10 standings, the only other alliance to have these standings is an Alliance called Band of Brothers, to the community of deep space I would like to put our reasoning for this.
Before I begin, This is not flame bait or an alt post , I'm no friend of Band of Brothers, our history with them goes back before they where an official alliance., this post is long but please read it all if you intend to reply
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History:
As ex-CEO of Blood Inquisition, an older formation of "Blood Loyalists" who lived in the Bleak Lands Region for many months, low sector where our agents & stations where, where uplifted by CCP in the Exodus patch, finding out all our agents would be moved to Delve. At the time we decided to try to come to an understanding with Band Of Brothers.
So I helped them "Dianabolic" form their Alliance, and sort out a few issue's they had due to the new NPC stations in their home region, which was standings for some of their people. Showing we truly cared for them even above our own needs and requests which we never got, But we where permitted to live with in Delve and got +10 standings.
Many months passed, we began to expand and get ever more skilled in warfare, doing our own campaign's, and I continued to give Band of Brothers Advice on things, guest programs, even doing business deals with them, even one of their campaign's was an Idea I proposed to them, All seemed good untill we had become close friends with an alliance in Paragon Soul, which they reset, Tribal Souls, and ended up doing the same to us.
Over time my business dealings with them continued even with reset standings as the CEO of Reikoku had owed me a substantial amount of moneys, and continued paying it. even re-giving standings so I could collect collateral "in freighter to NOL-M9" due to no liquid ISK. but due to compplaints of other corps in alliance, actually not sure true reasons. stiffed me for several billion left owed. I had asked for in towers, strontium and minerals. only getting some of the payment & having my standings reset while docked in NOL-M9.. making it out with the help of their own alliance who disagreed with situation..
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History after this:
After that we forged our own destiny, raiding different regions and being more like "Raiders" would, we did miss the riches of 0.0, bistot... our agents.. but we could still run our missions in some systems without much problems, at one time forming our own Alliance "Sani Khal'vecna" and settling for a few months in Stain always with a long term goal, even taking part in Alliance championships & also getting on the Eve Map's for holding apart of Stain. and pushing back AAA alliance.
This was before the collapse of the Alliance and closing of Blood Inquisition. which soon followed. before ,I Assisted another friend we had made & decided to help, above and beyond ourselves, giving our logistical help to Ascendant Frontier to assist in the Siege of Tpar-G. which was on our plans to invade ourselves several months later , but once the ASCN war started I offered our assistance, me even making a propaganda video for them, but as ASCN fell apart, soon did ours.
- Part 1/2 (follow up coming & reason for post)
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Myadra
Amarr Cruoris Seraphim
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Posted - 2008.03.03 18:19:00 -
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Edited by: Myadra on 03/03/2008 18:21:08 2/2 part of post
Now today.. the reason for this post is,
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We where called to help a friend of ours "VENOM alliance" , living near the east and raiding alliances such as VC , we where asked to come assist securing their home systems in exchange for letting us use the space to get our pilots security status up, the belts being infested with Angel Cartel our enemy's as well we agreed, with all the enemy's we had made it would be hard pressed for us to do this in realitive peacefullness anywhere else.
Upon arriving, we're not even sorted dock access yet, their Alliance seemingly unorganized it took another day or two to sort this, our patience was running thin. but we waited, never getting the ships we where promised for our pilots but standings sorted we moved up .
A day or two later, All seemed fine, we began moving our operatives to their enemy's corperations and alliances for Intel gathering while we cleared the belts and began getting our pilots security status up, during this time we ended up being targetted an fired on by friends of Venom. called Anthrax Alliance.
An alliance comprised of mostly ex-Venom, aparently run by ex-Venom diplomats & aparently very close with good communication, so how did standings not get set , All other corperations where notified by Venom and we got mails stated we had been set +ve so we did the same once we got the mails.
Constructive External Links & Chatlogs: (follwing posting rules)
Incident of M-Y system
After this incident, the pilots who agressed had gotten away, we had no scramblers at the time and once we did their pilots who fired had disapeared. they had kept out of our way after this incident, and after be blew up one of their ships, evemailed me requesting standings. I agreed to negotiat standings with one of their diplomats authorized to negotiate it. agreeing to a 1 on 1 talk. I found out the true nature of these alliances and the politics in the region..
Negotiaion with Anthrax
Next thing I know, the Leader of Goonswarm is in the channel, and all these bigger politics come into play, the "Coalition" and TCF standings, and basicly that these smaller alliances are all controlled by Goonswarm... such as UNL is controlled by Red's, are they involved in some sort of proxy war? not sure. but I see a game of chess being played by these larger entity's.
In any case, we decided to leave soon later as it felt too much like a situation we seen many times before with Band of Brothers, and with a bitter taste We now see, a more corrupt and sinister Alliance trying the same "Pet" tactics and control of the weak as Band of Brothers.. not liberators but masters.
So I call on all "Coalition" forces or who ever you answer to... if its Sesfan Qu'lah or not, to lay down your arms, because destroying Band of Brothers & being in the coaltion , is sealing your fate to live as slaves, all under the guis of destroying Band of Brothers. See through it all. and see your just tools for larger alliances to gain influence and power.
Thats all from me, I usually don't post chat logs or such information of our dealings but thought I would enlighten the universe, from my point of view. as a neutral party who is now anti-GS / anti-BoB.
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Yorda
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.03 18:20:00 -
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Oh great, more blues. Oh wait... you said -10? Oh man, time to go ride bikes wherever the hell you are.
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Szprinkoth Sponsz
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.03 18:21:00 -
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Yes more words
I mean targets
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Coptic
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.03 18:24:00 -
[5]
tl;dr
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Naj Rebueller
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.03 18:27:00 -
[6]
Edited by: Naj Rebueller on 03/03/2008 18:29:54 z
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Coptic
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.03 18:32:00 -
[7]
0
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Papa Ina
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.03 18:32:00 -
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The second chatlog is pretty funny. You should bold the parts where you try to talk down to Sesfan. They are the funny parts, you see?
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Solvalou PE
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.03 18:33:00 -
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i dont think we can win this now anyone want my stuff
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Papa Ina
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.03 18:33:00 -
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You do it like this. "FUNNY PARTS"
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Ju Ming
Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.03 18:35:00 -
[11]
Please no more Blues for Goon! Sig locked, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please email [email protected] ~Saint
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Szprinkoth Sponsz
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.03 18:38:00 -
[12]
Wow your posting really sucks and your chatlog is embarassing. Turn off your computer and never turn it on again.
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Marko Zhang
Destructive Flatulence
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Posted - 2008.03.03 18:38:00 -
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Edited by: Marko Zhang on 03/03/2008 18:38:10 I see what you did wrong here. You shouldn't be talking to Sesfan about such matters. He's only a figurehead. You need to contact Lord Arghy Steelwill, Dictator-for-Life of GoonSwarm. He will take care of you.
--- THE WOUNDED TIGER IS DE TIGER BEFORE IT IS WOUNDED
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Yorda
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.03 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: Papa Ina The second chatlog is pretty funny. You should bold the parts where you try to talk down to Sesfan. They are the funny parts, you see?
After reading this I read the chatlogs and I now realise that you guys will cease to exist before any goon actually gets anywhere near you.
And here I was excited about more targets.
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geno effort
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.03 18:49:00 -
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[ 2008.02.26 20:42:51 ] Myadra > Who is this mr Qu'lah ?
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TeufelsBeitrag
Ore Mongers R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.03.03 18:49:00 -
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Talking down to people like you did in your chatlog makes you a ****ty diplomate.
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INZi
coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.03 18:52:00 -
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ohh ur still around mya! all love baby _
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FastJack316
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.03 18:55:00 -
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Edited by: FastJack316 on 03/03/2008 18:54:54 Ahahahahahaha
Oh man, we had you guys blue?
Originally by: geno effort [ 2008.02.26 20:42:51 ] Myadra > Who is this mr Qu'lah ?
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Broken Jester
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Posted - 2008.03.03 18:55:00 -
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More skulls for the skull throne!
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Myadra
Amarr Cruoris Seraphim
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Posted - 2008.03.03 18:56:00 -
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Hello INZi , long time!, good to see you still around too
hmm, I'll reply to some of the comments , we've fought goons before they don't scare us, as to the chat logs, I'm not actually like that normally, but thats the way I speak when in character & dealing with people when logged into the eve roleplay universe.... and we're a "sect" that falls under the Blood Raider Covenant, so I speak much like a dictator would, even if we're a small corp with relatively no power or influence, its all about attitude. its a roleplaying game...
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Coptic
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.03 18:58:00 -
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It's funny because no one actually cares.
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Lakut
EmpiresMod Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.03 19:05:00 -
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I liked the part where the OP talked in roleplayincharacterish and the others talked in "HEY MOM LOOK! IT'S A GAME WITH SPACESHIPS THAT GO PEWPEW".
Great drama ensues. Or not. ------------ You get a wonderful view from the point of no return. |
Solvalou PE
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.03 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: Myadra Edited by: Myadra on 03/03/2008 18:58:56 I'm not actually like that normally, but thats the way I speak when in character & dealing with people when logged into the eve roleplay universe....
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Farham
AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.03.03 19:12:00 -
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Edited by: Farham on 03/03/2008 19:12:24 Was Myadra roleplaying?
Intrepid Crossing Diplomat and All Around Major Idiot |
Hesh Ballantine
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.03 19:18:00 -
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I cant wait until we roleplay kicking you out of whatever **** system you live in
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Hrin
Minmatar Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.03 19:19:00 -
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Is he role playing or something?
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SamuraiJack
Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce
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Posted - 2008.03.03 19:22:00 -
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nah. goons are just asshats.
i do find it funny that they are doing exactly the same as bob thou. Irony eh?
=-
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BuIIseye
Amarr Pax Amarria Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.03 19:25:00 -
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Stop ruining goonswarm's good name
------------------------------ Because of the name I have a higher chance of a wrecking shot, please don't tell the GM's or they'll nerf me =/ |
Farham
AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.03.03 19:25:00 -
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"nah. goons are just asshats.
i do find it funny that they are doing exactly the same as bob thou. Irony eh?"
Not too sure how many stations BOB just gave away with the only stipulation being follow our standings list.
Just saying.
Intrepid Crossing Diplomat and All Around Major Idiot |
Dangerously Cheesey
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.03 19:27:00 -
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r
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Hrin
Minmatar Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.03 19:28:00 -
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Edited by: Hrin on 03/03/2008 19:27:59 hahahah i read the second chat log. Oh man.
Your Corp is ****
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SamuraiJack
Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce
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Posted - 2008.03.03 19:28:00 -
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Edited by: SamuraiJack on 03/03/2008 19:31:39 Allaince Puppetry.
Quote: [ 2008.02.26 20:57:25 ] Sesfan Qu'lah > it's my sphere of influence, I decide who shoots whom
[ 2008.02.26 20:57:29 ] Sesfan Qu'lah > period
Ah the wonderful sound of total and supreme arrogance... Just like BoB.
So as i said. Allaince Puppetry.
=-
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Spoon Thumb
Caldari Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.03 19:31:00 -
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Ouch, though I still think you should put aside your heretical cult and worship the true Enlightened path of God and serve the rightful Emperor Khanid II
Also word on the street is UNL have invaded and locked down Venom home systems with intention to kill (sorry if that has been mentionned already)
Khaldari khanidpublic: RP channel for Kingdom loyalists
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Hesh Ballantine
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.03 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: SamuraiJack
So as i said. Allaince Puppetry.
hey look its the guy who managed to get his whole corp kicked out of our space because he has absolutely zero diplomatic skills
also "alliance"
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Shinori
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.03.03 19:42:00 -
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this thread
is smokin'
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Ju Ming
Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.03 19:46:00 -
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SamuraiJack:
Where to begin,
Lets just say both your corp and alliance have an interesting history.
Celestial Horizon Corp.: The only KOS Corp that was set Red by Goons.
Valainaloce: An Alliance that did not only lack a contribution to the War but was a haven for spies and as such lost its standing with RSF.
As for Goons we need more Reds.
Sig locked, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please email [email protected] ~Saint
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SamuraiJack
Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce
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Posted - 2008.03.03 19:54:00 -
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Spies eh? oh gods is that the best you can come up with?
More like your leadership failed on keeping its deals and got the hump when we asked why etc.
I sugest anyone who offers to help goons think carefully about what they get into. Spending months and then getting told. "we dont want your **** anyway. GTFO"
You are the lowlifes of EvE.
=-
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Junkie Beverage
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.03 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: SamuraiJack Spies eh? oh gods is that the best you can come up with?
More like your leadership failed on keeping its deals and got the hump when we asked why etc.
I sugest anyone who offers to help goons think carefully about what they get into. Spending months and then getting told. "we dont want your **** anyway. GTFO"
You are the lowlifes of EvE.
'no ant hill goes unkicked'
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Hesh Ballantine
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.03 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Junkie Beverage 'no ant hill goes unkicked'
its me im da anthill kicker in da qp
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Ayame Koranaga
Wrath of Heaven
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Posted - 2008.03.03 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Hesh Ballantine I cant wait until our masters, RA and other Coalition buddies roleplay kicking you out of whatever **** system you live in
Fixed that... === CEO of Wrath of Heaven |
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Hey You
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.03 20:11:00 -
[41]
Hey Mya long time...
Hugz n kisses __________________________________
We Ride Together We Die Together We Few, We Happy Few... |
Cursive
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.03 20:12:00 -
[42]
I can't wait to shoot these laffos. |
Phelan Driscoll
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.03 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: SamuraiJack
You are the lowlifes of EvE.
(o'.')b
Please, cry more about getting booted. *snip* Signature is totally inappropriate and not allowed on EvE Forums. Contact us at [email protected] if you have any queries - Valorem |
VERSTRANG1
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.03.03 20:29:00 -
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Hey, there are some funny parts: Sesfan Qu'lah > ok I'll just do what your 28 man corp says Sesfan Qu'lah > oh wait no I won't
But basically Myadra no one gives a **** if you leave. Just play nice with everyone and don't act like a **** to the CEO's who control the space you are in.
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Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2008.03.03 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: RIIIIIIIIIIIIIDGE RACER [ 2008.02.26 20:40:13 ] Myadra > Where you misleading me ?
___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
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Mithran Arturus
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.03.03 20:34:00 -
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Any chance someone could sumarise what this guy is trying to say, I really can't be bothered to read the looooooon post
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VERSTRANG1
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.03.03 20:35:00 -
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He's roleplaying being important
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VERSTRANG1
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.03.03 20:38:00 -
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Oh, and he wants 300 Million as a 'security' while in VENOM (I think) space in case of standings mishaps for pilot reimbursement. Whatever is left will be given back after their deployment.
**\\//~~~z~~~\\//**
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Lighthugger
Caldari The Merchant Marines
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Posted - 2008.03.03 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Coptic It's funny because no one actually cares.
Now THAT would be an utterlly foolish position to believe.
Quote: ...then enter a T, not a P Ma'm...a T, A T Ma'm as in Tiddleywinks.
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.03.03 20:39:00 -
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tl;dr
Nevertheless, setting -10 both Bob and GS is a political rarity these days. Have fun ! 2isk
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VERSTRANG1
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.03.03 20:39:00 -
[51]
**\\//~~~o~~~\\//**
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VERSTRANG1
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.03.03 20:40:00 -
[52]
**\\//~~~r~~~\\//**
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Kaldaine
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.03 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: Mithran Arturus Any chance someone could sumarise what this guy is trying to say, I really can't be bothered to read the looooooon post
My 28 man corp is v. important please everyone drop what you are doing because running a 5000 man alliance is cake and my needs are special also standings arent necessary because everyone knows how much fun it is to go 30+ jumps and get blown up by someone who is supposed to be blue. Tyrants get ******.
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HydroSan
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.03 20:43:00 -
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We must RISE UP against our oppressive alliance overlords.
(2:21:23 AM) BuJinkan: sesfan have you ever considered making me your "right hand man" (2:21:31 AM) BuJinkan: your closest and most personal advisor (2:22:09 AM) sesfanqulah: no I have a right hand and i'm using it to jerk off right now
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Nigel 3
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.03 20:43:00 -
[55]
lol
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GoosemanWTF
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.03 20:45:00 -
[56]
Thats ^^ me, stupid forums.
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Hesh Ballantine
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.03 20:51:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Ayame Koranaga
Originally by: Hesh Ballantine I cant wait until our masters, RA and other Coalition buddies roleplay kicking you out of whatever **** system you live in
Fixed that...
haha yeah man it sure does suck having friends in this game that like kicking anthills as much if not more than we do
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Desiderata Fabian
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.03 20:55:00 -
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Sesfan is not a man, he is a number.
#1
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.03.03 21:01:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Desiderata Fabian Sesfan is not a man, he is a number.
#1
omglol 2isk
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Carsidava
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.03 21:21:00 -
[60]
For those wondering if Myadra was role-playing, I offer this:
Quote: A time of great decisions is approaching. In this grave period we need to cooperate. for the common good of Venom Alliance. with many turning its back & begining agressions on it
Myadra's role-playing Shatner. |
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Maladora
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.03 21:30:00 -
[61]
needs more bolding and hilighting
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Local Her0
Minmatar La Mancha Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.03 21:37:00 -
[62]
I like the op tbqh eventho the author sucks at diplomacy
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VERSTRANG1
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.03.03 22:08:00 -
[63]
Was Local Hero already taken? I mean I like numbers too but...
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shadow pupeteer
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.03 22:09:00 -
[64]
thread needs name change
"RA influence over 0.0"
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Vanessa LaiDai
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.03 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: shadow pupeteer thread needs name change
"RA influence over 0.0"
lol yeah cause RA are our puppetmasters
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shadow pupeteer
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.03 22:13:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Vanessa LaiDai
Originally by: shadow pupeteer thread needs name change
"RA influence over 0.0"
lol yeah cause RA are our puppetmasters
Be nice or lose your posting rights again
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SaKoil
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.03 23:01:00 -
[67]
Edited by: SaKoil on 03/03/2008 23:01:44 the op and samuraijack should form some kind of alliance relationship consultant super-team
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LVirus
Enterprise Estonia
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Posted - 2008.03.03 23:10:00 -
[68]
we have been killing goons as long as i can remember. Too bad officer goons are so rare these days :(
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Shiodome
Caldari Black Sea Industries Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.03.03 23:13:00 -
[69]
Quote: the only other alliance to have these standings is an Alliance called Band of Brothers
this is clearly horsecrap :D _____________________________________ today i am this cool: [uncool]================[*]====[cool]
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.03 23:23:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Hey You Hey Mya long time...
Hugz n kisses
Two-timing son-of-a...
Personal Library |
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kublai
Art of War
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Posted - 2008.03.03 23:25:00 -
[71]
I was too lazy to read what you said but, I believe it's anti-goon?
\o/ Death to goons etc \o/ ------ [Quha]El-Diablito - Quality newbie bashing anno 1998 - Be afraid, for I have no real life what so ever |
Val Streth
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.03 23:37:00 -
[72]
Poasting in a **** goons thread on eve-o.
**** goons.
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Ogodai John
The Bakhunov Family
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Posted - 2008.03.03 23:39:00 -
[73]
Hahahahaha. Oh man. It's both funny and sad. |
Zorlag
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 00:36:00 -
[74]
Originally by: LVirus we have been killing goons as long as i can remember. Too bad officer goons are so rare these days :(
We've been sort of kind of remembering you exist every so often.
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Mike Huckabee
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.03.04 00:40:00 -
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Originally by: LVirus we have been killing goons as long as i can remember. Too bad officer goons are so rare these days :(
Who are you? Former R i s e?
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Lady Pinksock
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Posted - 2008.03.04 00:45:00 -
[76]
Originally by: VERSTRANG1 Was Local Hero already taken? I mean I like numbers too but...
Why Manfred Sideous...posting with an alt? Is that something an Outbreak director should be doing? Marko must really be slipping on his background checks for management candidates.
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WowZilla
The Leeroy Jenkins Project
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Posted - 2008.03.04 01:07:00 -
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[ 2008.02.26 20:55:44 ] Sesfan Qu'lah > ok I'll just do what your 28 man corp says [ 2008.02.26 20:55:52 ] Sesfan Qu'lah > oh wait no I won't
lollertime! ______________________ I am the worst poaster |
kublai
Art of War
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Posted - 2008.03.04 01:07:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Mike Huckabee
Originally by: LVirus we have been killing goons as long as i can remember. Too bad officer goons are so rare these days :(
Who are you? Former R i s e?
He's someone who has killed a *great* deal of goons. ------ [Quha]El-Diablito - Quality newbie bashing anno 1998 - Be afraid, for I have no real life what so ever |
Kai Wooglin
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 01:10:00 -
[79]
Poor Sesfan.
He's #1 by the way.
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Alexi Kalashnikov
Rat Lovers Anonymous GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 01:10:00 -
[80]
Sounds like someone needs some...
...on how 0.0 politics work.
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Zorlag
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 01:10:00 -
[81]
Originally by: kublai
Originally by: Mike Huckabee
Originally by: LVirus we have been killing goons as long as i can remember. Too bad officer goons are so rare these days :(
Who are you? Former R i s e?
He's someone who has killed a *great* deal of goons.
So did 6th grade PE. Am I supposed to be impressed by that?
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Mike Huckabee
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.03.04 01:20:00 -
[82]
Originally by: kublai
Originally by: Mike Huckabee
Originally by: LVirus we have been killing goons as long as i can remember. Too bad officer goons are so rare these days :(
Who are you? Former R i s e?
He's someone who has killed a *great* deal of goons.
Yeah, it's hard to kill t1 frigs. Respect knuckles!
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Yggdrassill Yeltsin
The Greater Goon GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 01:45:00 -
[83]
z
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Illiya
Caldari GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.03.04 01:52:00 -
[84]
0
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Draven Stone
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 02:00:00 -
[85]
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Trupplupagus
Settling Tank
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Posted - 2008.03.04 02:11:00 -
[86]
I read the second chatlog. It's really cute how this guy actually posted it for everyone to see...if I had something that showed me for a whiny nobody trying to talk down to players from larger powers while they pretty much ignored me, I sure wouldn't be sharing it with everyone.
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Dagam
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 02:41:00 -
[87]
annoying self-important tone, namedropping RKK, wall of text; this can't be jade constantine nope
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Narcistus
Gallente THE INSURGENCY ANTHRAX DEATH
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Posted - 2008.03.04 03:57:00 -
[88]
mya...when members of our corp insurgency approached you being neutral in space we were occupying members of your corp tried to muscle in on us and other members of anthrax while you chatted with members of our council in local. The lack of effort on your part to get the full picture of the situation that was going on in omist was no ones fault but your own. Redia had made a good point that you had no business being there with out #1 standings and #2 knowledge of what you were poking your nose into.
Now you try to back paddle and expect everyone to be like ooo ahh to you setting goon to -10 to try and cover up the fact that you basically tried to move in on something and it blew up in your face. In that sense you are no better then venom who is slowly becoming extinct due to moveing in on things they had no right to either. If I was you i would seriously reconsider my tactics and diplomatic skills because they will be your undoing and the sad part is you wont even relize it. Narcistus Diplomat for Insurgency Corporation
I may not be the brightest but I know how to pull the trigger! |
The Comatorium
Caldari The Ghazi
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Posted - 2008.03.04 04:44:00 -
[89]
(( Great thread... good reading and very constructive Information, as fragmented as it seems. A thread with 90% of it being flamed by Goonswarms Ignorance usually is an informative thread.))
If only you knew the amount of people that have been swept away from their fate during the great war in the south Myadra. Some didn't forget their hate but many more have Fallen back into the same tragedy more than once. Stuck in the catch 22 that is Alliance Puppetry.
Elites aren't meant to be well known, they Hide their strenght behind the shadow of their Mistakes and defeats. Glad to see there is people like CR-SE who don't do this all backwards; Hiding your Mistakes and Defeats behind your strenght.
-The Covenant head -------------------------
Originally by: Shirina2 Welcome back to the land of the Living, now grab your shovel and start digging.
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Hannobaal
Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 05:11:00 -
[90]
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Tuzgai
The Greater Goon GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 05:26:00 -
[91]
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FastJack316
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 05:27:00 -
[92]
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Atama Cardel
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 05:36:00 -
[93]
z
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Urph
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 06:09:00 -
[94]
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Aprudena Gist
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 06:19:00 -
[95]
r
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baalaagaa
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 06:22:00 -
[96]
z
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HydroSan
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 06:27:00 -
[97]
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Mondubious
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 06:31:00 -
[98]
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Berrik Radhok
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 07:09:00 -
[99]
z
Quote:
[ 2006.08.25 22:30:46 ] fire 59 > mate, im 230 and 6 ft 3, half caste and train every day
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Ppffffft
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Posted - 2008.03.04 07:10:00 -
[100]
SJ may be something of a....personality, but he is right. Goon act exactly the same as BoB did prior to destruction of ASCN. Almost word for word sometimes (who knows, maybe thats on purpose)
The thing I always find funny is they (goon) talk about RSF, brotherhood, and all that crap with RA, but RA is loyal to one person and one person only, themselves. Once the goons usefulness is gone, or replaced (TRI perhaps?), they are going to be kicked to the curb.
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Value Added
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 07:18:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Ppffffft SJ may be something of a....personality, but he is right. Goon act exactly the same as BoB did prior to destruction of ASCN. Almost word for word sometimes (who knows, maybe thats on purpose)
The thing I always find funny is they (goon) talk about RSF, brotherhood, and all that crap with RA, but RA is loyal to one person and one person only, themselves. Once the goons usefulness is gone, or replaced (TRI perhaps?), they are going to be kicked to the curb.
So says the alt troll.
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Ppffffft
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Posted - 2008.03.04 07:19:00 -
[102]
Oooooohhhhhhhh
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Thrasher's Slave
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Posted - 2008.03.04 07:21:00 -
[103]
the title of this thread is an oxymoron j/k
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Tarantelita
Ragna Rok Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.04 07:48:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Yorda Oh great, more blues. Oh wait... you said -10? Oh man, time to go ride bikes wherever the hell you are.
Take your tech I frigg and go kill em
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umop 3pisdn
Minmatar Fnck the blob.
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Posted - 2008.03.04 07:50:00 -
[105]
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Baxalusx
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 08:11:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Ppffffft SJ may be something of a....personality, but he is right. Goon act exactly the same as BoB did prior to destruction of ASCN. Almost word for word sometimes (who knows, maybe thats on purpose)
The thing I always find funny is they (goon) talk about RSF, brotherhood, and all that crap with RA, but RA is loyal to one person and one person only, themselves. Once the goons usefulness is gone, or replaced (TRI perhaps?), they are going to be kicked to the curb.
If our usefulness was gone and we thus became useless, our relationship with RA would erode over time as we failed to fulfill the implicit terms of being close allies: that you pull your own weight, in the same direction as the others; call it a check on our competence. And frankly, we'll never be like BoB so long as the RSF stands, because we can't be BoB if we admit to having at least two equals. ---------
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Ppffffft
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Posted - 2008.03.04 08:53:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Baxalusx
Originally by: Ppffffft SJ may be something of a....personality, but he is right. Goon act exactly the same as BoB did prior to destruction of ASCN. Almost word for word sometimes (who knows, maybe thats on purpose)
The thing I always find funny is they (goon) talk about RSF, brotherhood, and all that crap with RA, but RA is loyal to one person and one person only, themselves. Once the goons usefulness is gone, or replaced (TRI perhaps?), they are going to be kicked to the curb.
If our usefulness was gone and we thus became useless, our relationship with RA would erode over time as we failed to fulfill the implicit terms of being close allies: that you pull your own weight, in the same direction as the others; call it a check on our competence. And frankly, we'll never be like BoB so long as the RSF stands, because we can't be BoB if we admit to having at least two equals.
RA isn't going to give you a heads up or anything; its not that that you would necessarily become useless, its that someone else will become more useful than you are. And while you may think they (RA) are your equals, I highly doubt that RA feels the same way. What do I know though, Im gonna get nerfed anyway
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Hungo
Minmatar Nightfallz
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Posted - 2008.03.04 08:58:00 -
[108]
TBH - Your a nobody and your taking part in the conflict to get recognition or try *and make a name for yourself*
There's the door, use it
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Hungo
Minmatar Nightfallz
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Posted - 2008.03.04 09:01:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Ppffffft SJ may be something of a....personality, but he is right. Goon act exactly the same as BoB did prior to destruction of ASCN. Almost word for word sometimes (who knows, maybe thats on purpose)
The thing I always find funny is they (goon) talk about RSF, brotherhood, and all that crap with RA, but RA is loyal to one person and one person only, themselves. Once the goons usefulness is gone, or replaced (TRI perhaps?), they are going to be kicked to the curb.
Ra do not have the numbers or strengtyh to remove goonswarm now. if they turned on GS, you can be assured GS would hire every damn alliance in the game to teach them a lesson not to mention RA cannot field anywhere near enough pilots to do what you say.
yes goonswarm owe alot to RA. But RA are not invincible, they are very spread out atm and lack numbers to even remoteley defen all that space by themselves. if they turned on each other RA would loose all regions west of omist within a week
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Brmble
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 09:40:00 -
[110]
Edited by: Brmble on 04/03/2008 09:41:51 ^^^^ If we'd turn on RA I'd quit this alliance. If RA turned on us I'd quit this alliance.
Originally by: kublai
Originally by: Mike Huckabee
Originally by: LVirus we have been killing goons as long as i can remember. Too bad officer goons are so rare these days :(
Who are you? Former R i s e?
He's someone who has killed a *great* deal of goons.
is... is he the fabled Minmatar Control Tower? I am awed to be in his presence *bows*
dis roleplaying stuff is fun
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Cursive
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 09:55:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Ppffffft
RA isn't going to give you a heads up or anything; its not that that you would necessarily become useless, its that someone else will become more useful than you are. And while you may think they (RA) are your equals, I highly doubt that RA feels the same way. What do I know though, Im gonna get nerfed anyway
We won't need a heads-up. You just gave it to us. We shall prepare for doom and gloom immediately. Thanks!
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Pastora
Russian SOBR Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.04 10:07:00 -
[112]
Edited by: Pastora on 04/03/2008 10:09:17 The conversation represented in logs is the worst load of crap I have seen ever. I can't believe somebody can come up with this nonsense in their right mind. Are you on drugs Myadra?
According to you, Cruoris Seraphim (or actually you youself) is the co-creator, and the backbone of Band of Brothers! How on earth BoB will survive now that you have moved out? _______________________________________________ If ifs and ands were pots and pans, I would grow mushrooms in my pants. |
Hardin
Amarr Beets and Gravy Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.03.04 10:53:00 -
[113]
Originally by: SaKoil
the op and samuraijack should form some kind of alliance relationship consultant super-team
This post made my day
But Myadra has always been like this... ----- Alliance Creation/Corp Expansion Services
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Brmble
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 11:47:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Hardin
Originally by: SaKoil
the op and samuraijack should form some kind of alliance relationship consultant super-team
This post made my day
But Myadra has always been like this...
hey Hardin would CVA accept ex-goons? I dig your style
~ no not believin in urself ~ |
Spoon Thumb
Caldari Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.04 12:18:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Narcistus mya...when members of our corp insurgency approached you being neutral in space we were occupying members of your corp tried to muscle in on us and other members of anthrax while you chatted with members of our council in local. The lack of effort on your part to get the full picture of the situation that was going on in omist was no ones fault but your own. Redia had made a good point that you had no business being there with out #1 standings and #2 knowledge of what you were poking your nose into.
Now you try to back paddle and expect everyone to be like ooo ahh to you setting goon to -10 to try and cover up the fact that you basically tried to move in on something and it blew up in your face. In that sense you are no better then venom who is slowly becoming extinct due to moveing in on things they had no right to either. If I was you i would seriously reconsider my tactics and diplomatic skills because they will be your undoing and the sad part is you wont even relize it.
Underlined for emphasis. It appears the powers that be in the south believe their legitimacy is based soley on their current power and dominance. Linky Linky And people wonder where threads like this come from?
Khaldari khanidpublic: RP channel for Kingdom loyalists
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.03.04 12:18:00 -
[116]
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 04/03/2008 12:20:37
So, having read the op and the attached chatlog this looks very much like a thread where a variety of Goonswarm drones are irritated that a longterm eve roleplayer has roleplayed the fact that she has absolutely no respect or awareness for who Sesfan actually is and doesn't care less about the prospect of fighting the goons right?
Strangely that almost looks like the Swarm has started taking themselves a little bit seriously - I mean irritation at the fact their leader is not being paid the appropriate e-respect in a in-game conversation about power, influence, standings and the domination of weaker entities? All a bit rum and not what we've come to expect from the day one iconoclasts of the swarm whatsoever.
I have to say I can see exactly where Myadra is coming from and despite the fact that I consider her in-game persona to be positively deranged and a past enemy of Star Fraction I have to give a vote of approval to the way she conducted the conversation in that chatlog. She maintained character, represented the creative distinctiveness of her corporation, refused to bow and cringe and grovel (as apparently is the usual response in the presence of this goonswarm leader) and she comes out of the exchange with a simple resolution to set the Swarm -10 and deal with the consequences in space.
There is nothing here in the least bit pitiable or sad. Its a person playing the game of eve and deciding that for all the propaganda and claims to the contrary the Swarm is just as corrupt, domineering, xenophobic and tyrannical as they ever claimed their enemies were. Its politics, its the process of power corrupting, and yes its about the establishment of hierarchies and structures and pecking orders.
Some eve players (even some quite famous ones from this thread) have decided that the goons are a force to be placated and bowed down too (lest they face attack and subjugation) that the numbers and fanaticism and personal devotion of the swarm is a thing to be feared and respected. Some believe its better to live on one's knees than stand and die in the sunshine. Its always been this way.
Others decide that the swarm is itself a corruption of human individuality and nothing more than a topdown cult of the personality seeing thousands of faceless drones following the dictates of a hallowed few and producing spam on demand to shout down the voices of those who think differently. I tell you one thing, history loves heroes more than cowards. Myadra you have my respect for that chatlog, it was stylish, entertaining and showed absolutely none of the cringing lapdoggery that so often attends third party negotiations with more numerous powers and as such is worthy of a salute and best wishes.
For everyone else spamming this thread with "tl:dr" and various nonsense perhaps you'd like to compare your own standards of individuality and personal distinctiveness with Myadra here. Do YOU have the courage to stand up to a stronger power and refuse to be pushed around? Do YOU have the imagination to actually portray a character in the eve setting rather than representing a pair of hands and body eternally in the service of other stronger men from an external internet forum?
I often wonder if the heights of ridicule and condemnation summoned by these threads represents nothing more than the desire to erase an alternative option to enduring servitude to the swarm itself. Easier to justify one's own personal abasement and slavish devotion to another man's isk account if there are no external voices arguing the case for personal sovereignty and individual accomplishment correct?
Don't talk of ridicule and Myadra being a nobody creatures of the Swarm. When all is said and done she has a name and a history and a reputation. Dream instead that one day you might be free and have such for yourselves.
TL:DR?
Keep telling yourselves that my friends.
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Spoon Thumb
Caldari Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.04 12:48:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
etc..
I wonder though if you fail to consider the powerful force of mass movement? I get this whenever I go to a music festival and see a mass of tents and people all unified and with one purpose (to Rock!). But I think there is an equivalent for goons. The feeling of collective power is shared and that propagates to the low level grunts at the bottom with responses like "who the hell are you?" all the way to the top leaders, as shown by the chatlogs
Diametrically opposed is the force to want to break away and do things different and indepedant and the two are in constant struggle / flux, pulling and pushing all the time.
But neither is wrong or right, merely a part of human nature.
c/d?
Khaldari khanidpublic: RP channel for Kingdom loyalists
Recruiting |
Yorda
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 13:05:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Spoon Thumb
Originally by: Jade Constantine
etc..
I wonder though if you fail to consider the powerful force of mass movement? I get this whenever I go to a music festival and see a mass of tents and people all unified and with one purpose (to Rock!). But I think there is an equivalent for goons. The feeling of collective power is shared and that propagates to the low level grunts at the bottom with responses like "who the hell are you?" all the way to the top leaders, as shown by the chatlogs
Diametrically opposed is the force to want to break away and do things different and indepedant and the two are in constant struggle / flux, pulling and pushing all the time.
But neither is wrong or right, merely a part of human nature.
c/d?
I have seen the error of my ways and wish to worship the true Enlightened path of God and serve the rightful Emperor Khanid II.
No seriously though, CVA are awsome.
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Papa Ina
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 13:13:00 -
[119]
So what you are saying, Jade, is that Myadra is roleplaying a person with zero knowledge of local politics not knowing what's going on. And that we should respect that because they are roleplaying (not knowing what is going on).
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Nekumi
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 13:25:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Tyrannies rise and fall and the oppressed rise up and reject them. That meme is old and so far it has not been broken. The oppressed become the oppressors but sometimes it is only to those who look in from out.
I find your support and opposition to one particular "tyranny" over another a little disconcerting but I suppose it is understandable considering your personal history.
I would go into an explaination of why you are very wrong on so many parts but I am pretty sure you are not ignorant to that fact and I have seen the machinations you like to work when attacking an enemy which again leads me to wonder, why now Jade. Is your own personal past friendships worth so much that they would bias you one way or another over something contra to what you extol as your core beliefs?
It makes no never mind I guess and I still have a fondness for those I left behind so I can understand where you are coming from no matter the slight I feel at your continuance in this vein.
I would urge that you try to understand the topics a little better in future though before expositing so profoundly from ignorance. At least when you heckled in the past it had the appearance of being somewhat believable.
Sesfan Qu'lah is a good man, a fair man and he is guided by a strict set of principles and standards that only a friend would understand.
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Academion
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 13:31:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Nekumi
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Tyrannies rise and fall and the oppressed rise up and reject them. That meme is old and so far it has not been broken. The oppressed become the oppressors but sometimes it is only to those who look in from out.
I find your support and opposition to one particular "tyranny" over another a little disconcerting but I suppose it is understandable considering your personal history.
I would go into an explaination of why you are very wrong on so many parts but I am pretty sure you are not ignorant to that fact and I have seen the machinations you like to work when attacking an enemy which again leads me to wonder, why now Jade. Is your own personal past friendships worth so much that they would bias you one way or another over something contra to what you extol as your core beliefs?
It makes no never mind I guess and I still have a fondness for those I left behind so I can understand where you are coming from no matter the slight I feel at your continuance in this vein.
I would urge that you try to understand the topics a little better in future though before expositing so profoundly from ignorance. At least when you heckled in the past it had the appearance of being somewhat believable.
Sesfan Qu'lah is a good man, a fair man and he is guided by a strict set of principles and standards that only a friend would understand.
tl;dr
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Spoon Thumb
Caldari Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.04 13:35:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Papa Ina So what you are saying, Jade, is that Myadra is roleplaying a person with zero knowledge of local politics not knowing what's going on. And that we should respect that because they are roleplaying (not knowing what is going on).
The clue is in the thread title. The message I'm getting from this thread is that Myadra mistook the politics in the south for something far more complex and dynamic than it really was
Khaldari khanidpublic: RP channel for Kingdom loyalists
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Hardin
Amarr Beets and Gravy Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.03.04 13:44:00 -
[123]
Edited by: Hardin on 04/03/2008 13:49:16
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Don't talk of ridicule and Myadra being a nobody creatures of the Swarm. When all is said and done she has a name and a history and a reputation. Dream instead that one day you might be free and have such for yourselves.
Hang on Jade,
I thought you were a strong proponent of people building their own 'reputation' based on their actions in the world of EVE?
Now you seem to be indicating that they should be respected simply because they have a 'name' and a 'history'?
While Myadra may have a 'name' and a 'history' clearly 'reputation' is another matter, or else the Goons (and many others) wouldn't have found the whole conversation so funny...
Do you expect the Goons (as one of EVE's most powerful 0.0 entities) to take Myadra seriously simply because she is a roleplayer if her ingame reputation and power does not reflect the position of authority and behaviour which she is claiming?
Would a 'real' Blood Inquisition leader have taken an arrogant attitude when talking to one of the leading 0.0 powers? Possibly if that leader was in a position of authority and power but Myadra (currently) doesn't have that ingame authority.
I don't think the approach holds water based on the current ingame realities on either a roleplay or non-roleplay level - unless of course Myadra is deliberately trying to present her character as a crazy, out of touch cultist with no sense of diplomacy - in which case she did very well!
To be honest if CCP wrote a storyline where the leader of a 26 man corp was threatening Goons I think the general reaction would be laughter too - because it is the believable (and therefore roleplay realistic) reaction.
That is not to say Myadra is wrong in what she has done. It certainly adds colour and spice in the same way that 'Lord Vaari' does
We can all make things up, hell I could claim to be the illegitimate son of Emperor Heideran and next in line to the Amarr throne.
Simply because it sounds RPish, is written well and comes from someone with an RP background doesn't mean it should be protected from Goons or anyone else if it is clearly out of touch with ingame realities.
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Shinori
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.03.04 14:02:00 -
[124]
Thank you Hardin, you really are the #1 roleplayer in Eve.
The short version of the OP:
Goonswarm & Venom: We have an agreement on how standings work.
Myadara: I'm above you all and don't care for the agreement between you two.
Sesfan:
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geno effort
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 14:02:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 04/03/2008 12:20:37
So, having read the op and the attached chatlog this looks very much like a thread where a variety of Goonswarm drones are irritated that a longterm eve roleplayer has roleplayed the fact that she has absolutely no respect or awareness for who Sesfan actually is and doesn't care less about the prospect of fighting the goons right WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS
actually all the attention is due to what a blithering idiot the OP is (and the above as well).
let me paint you a picture of where Venom's space is located, and why it might be worth paying attention to standings with RSF before just marching in there and roleplaying to be someone important.
http://sov.eve-dev.net/maps/influence_2008-03-03_2008-03-04.png
(it's right under the big OONSWA to the southeast)
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Papa Ina
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 14:05:00 -
[126]
Myarda certainly has a repuation now. Good work! You earned it!
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Shinori
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.03.04 14:09:00 -
[127]
This really is hilarious, I don't know who Myadra or Jade Constantine are, but they've made it on the list of arrogant delusional pubbies like Band of Brothers for me.
What does it mean? You'll have to wait and see if we still remember you tomorrow.
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James Duar
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 14:12:00 -
[128]
This thread fails to acknowledge the fact that Sesfan is #1
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Sarwaka Foehammer
The Same 20 Guys
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Posted - 2008.03.04 15:02:00 -
[129]
Only sure thing in town is that the wheel turns. In time the Goons will be brought low. Just as there were many willing to hasten the demise of BOB, when the tide turns there will be those of us ready to do the same to the Goons.
Tick-Tock Goonies. And thats no pendulum, it is the sound of inevitability.
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Hungo
Minmatar Nightfallz
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Posted - 2008.03.04 15:14:00 -
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Edited by: Hungo on 04/03/2008 15:14:53 oringinally by jade longwinded idiot - OMG could i be up my ass anymore?
First off pal, no one really cares to read your long widned crap bascially using large words and long sentences and paragraphs to bascially in a *nutshell* make small points nor is anyone even remotley impressed by you. My friend who doesnt play eve, i linked him your post and his reply on teamspeak was *this guy is infact one of the most illogical idiots i have ever seen, how long winded can he get*
At this point i needed tio blow my nose because i was choking so didnt hear the rest. My point is, seriously, make ur point, do it fast and stop writing long winded bull**** thinking your clever because tbh your just making yourself look like a 16 year old smart ass child craving attention
Good god, get a grip son
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Civrax
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 15:21:00 -
[131]
Edited by: Civrax on 04/03/2008 15:21:25
Originally by: Sarwaka Foehammer Only sure thing in town is that the wheel turns. In time the Goons will be brought low. Just as there were many willing to hasten the demise of BOB, when the tide turns there will be those of us ready to do the same to the Goons.
Is that group similar to the group who called out for the head of BoB, but never actually did anything? Because thus far the universe hates us, and has wanted to see us driven from the game for, what, two years now?
Tick,Tock - Shut the **** up.
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Yorda
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 15:23:00 -
[132]
Edited by: Yorda on 04/03/2008 15:23:25
Originally by: Shinori Thank you Hardin, you really are the #1 roleplayer in Eve.
The short version of the OP:
Goonswarm & Venom: We have an agreement on how standings work.
Myadara: I'm above you all and don't care for the agreement between you two.
Sesfan:
Originally by: Civrax Edited by: Civrax on 04/03/2008 15:21:25
Originally by: Sarwaka Foehammer Only sure thing in town is that the wheel turns. In time the Goons will be brought low. Just as there were many willing to hasten the demise of BOB, when the tide turns there will be those of us ready to do the same to the Goons.
Is that group similar to the group who called out for the head of BoB, but never actually did anything? Because thus far the universe hates us, and has wanted to see us driven from the game for, what, two years now?
Tick,Tock - Shut the **** up.
Thread over.
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Brmble
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 15:31:00 -
[133]
If I were to roleplay as a goon I'd do as follows (indulge me I'm new at this).
Goons only accept raw power as the coin to be used during diplomatic barter. 0.0 politics leavo no room for anything else, the stakes are simply too high. We learned this from the very first day fighting against the infinite legions of the Serpentis Syndicate.
The OP has zero of said power and so she gets the treatment she deserves.
OOC: phew that was pretty exhausting how do you guys post so much in character
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Hydrogen
Art of War
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Posted - 2008.03.04 15:46:00 -
[134]
All I understood was: only a dead Goon is a good Goon.
Shoot more Goons - good message, but well known anyways...
Have you shot your Goon today? __
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Zorlag
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 15:47:00 -
[135]
Guys help, I would really like to read a Jade Constantine post but every time I try my eyes unfocus and I become temporarily illiterate, I think it has something to do with the longwindedness
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Desiderata Fabian
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 16:01:00 -
[136]
Hey guys, I would like to waltz into the middle of the largest coalition in the game, but I refuse to learn anything about the organizations, dramatis personae, or standings issues involved, but donÆt worry I am relying on my complete lack of diplomatic tact and demands to be given isk to get by.
But on the off chance things go wrong I can make a CAOD whine thread and Jade Constantine will leap to my defense out of some sense of roleplayer solidarity.
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Bloodyranger
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Posted - 2008.03.04 16:17:00 -
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Edited by: Bloodyranger on 04/03/2008 16:19:12 Well as we know Cruoris Seraphim tends to camp L4X a lot, though they aren't the most effective people to do so I still respect their PvP skills. As I respected Warspites PvP skills earlier, it simply wouldn't be fun without decent PvPers, I really hope you Goons will have fun. I've never been killed by Cruoris Seraphim myself, and they always seem to escape on structure
Regards Bloodyranger - Volition Cult
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Johlie
Caldari Delusion of Grandeur HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.03.04 16:47:00 -
[138]
I like this part:
Jadzeia > cyshade Jadzeia > do not engage Jadzeia > CYSHADE Jadzeia > DO NOT ENGAGE Jadzeia > cyshade is attacking me
Good post Mya, good too see you alive and kicking. Flying with SKV was still one the best times I've had in eve.
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Danyael Tyren
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 17:06:00 -
[139]
So, some tiny little alliance wanted to move into region of space owned by someone else, but was so self-important, egotistical, and arrogant that they demanded their hosts adopt their standings, and threw a hissy fit and made a post about it when they didn't get their way? No wonder everyone hates RPer's. ------ "I wish to have romantic relations with Suas." - Onchas Erivvia, Band of Brothers Fleet Commander, Sunday January 27, 2008 during a fleet fight with BoB in system QY6-RK, approximately 21:54 |
Marko Zhang
Destructive Flatulence
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Posted - 2008.03.04 17:06:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Jade Constantine a variety of Goonswarm drones are irritated that a longterm eve roleplayer has roleplayed the fact that she has absolutely no respect or awareness for who Sesfan actually is and doesn't care less about the prospect of fighting the goons right?
Hey, man, you don't talk to Sesfan. You listen to him. The man's enlarged my mind. He's a poet-warrior in the classic sense. I mean sometimes he'll... uh... well, you'll say "hello" to him, right? And he'll just walk right by you. He won't even notice you. And suddenly he'll grab you, and he'll throw you in a corner, and he'll say, "do you know that 'if' is the middle word in life? If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you, if you can trust yourself when all men doubt you"... I mean I'm no, I can't... I'm a little man, I'm a little man, he's... he's a great man. I should have been a pair of ragged claws scuttling across floors of silent seas...
--- THE WOUNDED TIGER IS DE TIGER BEFORE IT IS WOUNDED
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Yorda
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 17:27:00 -
[141]
Edited by: Yorda on 04/03/2008 17:27:02
Originally by: Marko Zhang
Originally by: Jade Constantine a variety of Goonswarm drones are irritated that a longterm eve roleplayer has roleplayed the fact that she has absolutely no respect or awareness for who Sesfan actually is and doesn't care less about the prospect of fighting the goons right?
Hey, man, you don't talk to Sesfan. You listen to him. The man's enlarged my mind. He's a poet-warrior in the classic sense. I mean sometimes he'll... uh... well, you'll say "hello" to him, right? And he'll just walk right by you. He won't even notice you. And suddenly he'll grab you, and he'll throw you in a corner, and he'll say, "do you know that 'if' is the middle word in life? If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you, if you can trust yourself when all men doubt you"... I mean I'm no, I can't... I'm a little man, I'm a little man, he's... he's a great man. I should have been a pair of ragged claws scuttling across floors of silent seas...
No you're mistaken. Sefan is, quite plainly, #1.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.04 17:29:00 -
[142]
Originally by: Hungo
First off pal, no one really cares to read your long widned crap
I tend to, whether I agree with it or not (usually the latter...but I like to know what I'm disagreeing with.)
Does that mean I, like, troll myself? I'm not very good at this
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Nekumi
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 17:33:00 -
[143]
Originally by: Garreck
Originally by: Hungo
First off pal, no one really cares to read your long widned crap
I tend to, whether I agree with it or not (usually the latter...but I like to know what I'm disagreeing with.)
Does that mean I, like, troll myself? I'm not very good at this
You're just Amarr, it's okay.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr Bloodveil
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Posted - 2008.03.04 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Zorlag Guys help, I would really like to read a Jade Constantine post but every time I try my eyes unfocus and I become temporarily illiterate, I think it has something to do with the longwindedness
Nothing at all. Since reasonableness is a habit to be learned, not everyone is capable of conducting a good argument. For that matter, not everyone is capable of arguing in an intelligible sense at all, but goons have already proven this fact, so I'll skip the redundance of words.
Take care Myadra, it was a good post but definately to the wrong "public". Anyhow, good to see you around.
Originally by: ISD BH Eshtir Ps.: I also know its hard to RP whith a Cyno Jammer.
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.03.04 18:25:00 -
[145]
Edited by: marakor on 04/03/2008 18:26:24
Originally by: Nekumi
Originally by: Garreck
Originally by: Hungo
First off pal, no one really cares to read your long widned crap
I tend to, whether I agree with it or not (usually the latter...but I like to know what I'm disagreeing with.)
Does that mean I, like, troll myself? I'm not very good at this
You're just Amarr, it's okay.
She is only saying that because she wants to help you apparently, it is in no way a sarcastic one line insult but actually a helpful psychological nudge.
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Schani Kratnorr
Internal Revenue Service
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Posted - 2008.03.04 18:31:00 -
[146]
Edited by: Schani Kratnorr on 04/03/2008 18:32:10 It is good to se Myadra (OP) put words behind his actions. Although I doubt the signifigance of havign -10.0 to a 0.0 entity, it does help you pick them out faster in a crowded system.
On a sidenote, although someone beat me to it, I have just gone through the entire thread, and reported about 10 posts. There were allready quite a few GS posts moderated (how is it they are not permabanned yet?), so not much left for me to scrutinize.
Statisticly i found: one BoB post, and nine GS posts, and one "other". I hope we can keep the one-liner-spam out of this thread. I would also love threads free of FLAMEBAIT or TROLLING, but I guess it takes constant vigilance to turn the tide.
EDIT. P.S. GoonSwarm bloked again now (I can only do a few threads a day before I go nuts).
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.04 18:55:00 -
[147]
Originally by: Papa Ina So what you are saying, Jade, is that Myadra is roleplaying a person with zero knowledge of local politics not knowing what's going on. And that we should respect that because they are roleplaying (not knowing what is going on).
What she is saying to you is that you are a club-toting, raw meat eating, me tarzan you jane, big ball bubblehead that couldn't count to 10 if he was bare-foot, or wearing sandals.
c/d?
And Jade, I love how succint you put that. Words out of my very mouth.
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Papa Ina
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 19:08:00 -
[148]
Originally by: Mebrithiel Ju'wien
What she is saying to you is that you are a club-toting, raw meat eating, me tarzan you jane, big ball bubblehead that couldn't count to 10 if he was bare-foot, or wearing sandals.
No she isn't. Apparently you need some reading lessons. Hardin already finished this thread though so I'll leave it at that.
Originally by: Mebrithiel Ju'wien
c/d?
d
Originally by: Mebrithiel Ju'wien
And Jade, I love how succint you put that. Words out of my very mouth.
It's spelled succinct and I don't think you know what it means.
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.04 19:24:00 -
[149]
Originally by: Papa Ina It's spelled succinct
Woah, someone's taking this internet spaceships a little too seriously...
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Papa Ina
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 19:25:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Originally by: Papa Ina It's spelled succinct
Woah, someone's taking this internet spaceships a little too seriously...
Damn right. I have newbies to exploit, moons to mine and hulks to explode. But foiled, foiled yet again by you and your terrible spelling.
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Papa Ina
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 19:27:00 -
[151]
Actually, my laptop power supply is dead and my girlfriend has stolen my patapon so all I can do is drool over forums.
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.04 19:27:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Papa Ina foiled, foiled yet again by you and your terrible typo.
FYP
<3
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.03.04 19:28:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Originally by: Papa Ina It's spelled succinct
Woah, someone's taking this internet spaceships a little too seriously...
Actually for that word to be correct in the sentence you wrote it should be "succinctly" as in - And Jade, I love how succinctly you put that. Words out of my very mouth.
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.04 19:58:00 -
[154]
Originally by: marakor succinctly
Thank you dear.
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.03.04 20:00:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Originally by: marakor succinctly
Thank you dear.
My pleasure although i quite enjoyed correcting the goon grammar n*z*.
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Kaldaine
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 20:01:00 -
[156]
Originally by: marakor
Originally by: Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Originally by: Papa Ina It's spelled succinct
Woah, someone's taking this internet spaceships a little too seriously...
Actually for that word to be correct in the sentence you wrote it should be "succinctly" as in - And Jade, I love how succinctly you put that. Words out of my very mouth.
Im more interested in what else comes out of that mouth
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Papa Ina
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 20:02:00 -
[157]
Originally by: marakor My pleasure although I quite enjoyed correcting the goon grammar n*z*.
Oh dear.
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.03.04 20:10:00 -
[158]
Originally by: Papa Ina
Originally by: marakor My pleasure although I quite enjoyed correcting the goon grammar n*z*.
Oh dear.
Whats the problem buddy have you never heard of this company?.
http://www.naza.com.my/
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Papa Ina
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 20:26:00 -
[159]
Originally by: marakor Whats the problem buddy
Have you never heard of capitalizing I?
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Tearavygh Quillam
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.04 20:27:00 -
[160]
Originally by: marakor
Actually for that word to be correct in the sentence you wrote it should be "succinctly" as in - And Jade, I love how succinctly you put that. Words out of my very mouth.
No **** dude!!! You can't distinguish when to use "your" or "you're" and all of a sudden you find yourself talents for literature lessons???
CAOD, the forums where muppetery has no limits!!!
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.03.04 20:31:00 -
[161]
Edited by: marakor on 04/03/2008 20:32:49
Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam
Originally by: marakor
Actually for that word to be correct in the sentence you wrote it should be "succinctly" as in - And Jade, I love how succinctly you put that. Words out of my very mouth.
No **** dude!!! You can't distinguish when to use "your" or "you're" and all of a sudden you find yourself talents for literature lessons???
CAOD, the forums where muppetery has no limits!!!
WOW you again
I really hit a nerve with the whole ran from MC and hid behind MM and in empire comments for you to be so miffed with me.
Im quite glad you pointed the whole issue out although you should really tell my spell checker tbqh as it does all my spelling for me.
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Tearavygh Quillam
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.04 20:32:00 -
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That's right muppet, keep to what you know best, avoinding and twisting.
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Papa Ina
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 20:33:00 -
[163]
Edited by: Papa Ina on 04/03/2008 20:34:46
Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam
CAOD, the forums where muppetery has no limits!!!
I prefer to think that we are simply pushing the boundaries of muppetry. Incidentally I think my spelling of "muppetry" is correct, as it is taken from "puppetry". But if you have any particular reason to believe otherwise I'd love to hear it. One can always learn.
Edit: Oh my, I missed a capital letter.
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.03.04 20:34:00 -
[164]
Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam That's right muppet, keep to what you know best, avoinding and twisting.
I agree with you bud i think your great i love you're posting its my spell checker that sucks.
honest
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.04 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: Papa Ina Edited by: Papa Ina on 04/03/2008 20:34:46
Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam
CAOD, the forums where muppetery has no limits!!!
Incidentally I think my spelling of "muppetry" is correct, as it is taken from "puppetry".
Oh My God! I'm finding myself agreeing and even liking a goon.
Besides, wouldn't a muppetery be where muppets are laid to rest?
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.03.04 20:39:00 -
[166]
Originally by: Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Originally by: Papa Ina Edited by: Papa Ina on 04/03/2008 20:34:46
Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam
CAOD, the forums where muppetery has no limits!!!
Incidentally I think my spelling of "muppetry" is correct, as it is taken from "puppetry".
Besides, wouldn't a muppetery be where muppets are laid to rest?
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Tearavygh Quillam
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.04 20:41:00 -
[167]
Originally by: Papa Ina Edited by: Papa Ina on 04/03/2008 20:34:46
Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam
CAOD, the forums where muppetery has no limits!!!
I prefer to think that we are simply pushing the boundaries of muppetry. Incidentally I think my spelling of "muppetry" is correct, as it is taken from "puppetry". But if you have any particular reason to believe otherwise I'd love to hear it. One can always learn.
The Muppet Movie
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.03.04 20:44:00 -
[168]
Edited by: marakor on 04/03/2008 20:45:07 It is defiantly muppetry as in - http://muppetry.com/ and not muppetery so this thread can now be closed as we have now solved another mystery of the universe.
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Papa Ina
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 20:50:00 -
[169]
Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam
The Muppet Movie
I'm sorry I think I should have clarified my statement. The name "muppet" comes from "puppet", therefore the action of "puppets" or "puppetry" becomes the action of "muppets" or "muppetry".
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Tearavygh Quillam
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.04 20:51:00 -
[170]
Edited by: Tearavygh Quillam on 04/03/2008 20:55:02 Edited by: Tearavygh Quillam on 04/03/2008 20:54:44
Originally by: marakor Edited by: marakor on 04/03/2008 20:45:07 It is defiantly muppetry as in - http://muppetry.com/ and not muppetery so this thread can now be closed as we have now solved another mystery of the universe.
What does your spelling checker actually tells you about "muppetery" and "muppetry" since both of those don't actually exist?
Actually, what's your point? Get it smartass? Resume to what you know best as I wrote above, oh wait you just tried it and it didn't work...
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.03.04 20:57:00 -
[171]
Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam
Originally by: marakor Edited by: marakor on 04/03/2008 20:45:07 It is defiantly muppetry as in - http://muppetry.com/ and not muppetery so this thread can now be closed as we have now solved another mystery of the universe.
What does your spelling checker actually tells you about "muppetery" and "muppetry" since both of those don't actually exits?
Actually, what's your point? Get it smartass? Resume to what you know best as I wrote above, oh wait you just tried it and it didn't work...
My spell checker tells me nothing about either of those words but when i used Google to search for both words it found and corrected to muppetry not muppetery.
Oh and its "smart ass" two words not one my spell checker pick that up no problem.
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Hungo
Minmatar Nightfallz
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Posted - 2008.03.04 21:03:00 -
[172]
Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Edited by: Tearavygh Quillam on 04/03/2008 20:55:02 Edited by: Tearavygh Quillam on 04/03/2008 20:54:44
Originally by: marakor Edited by: marakor on 04/03/2008 20:45:07 It is defiantly muppetry as in - http://muppetry.com/ and not muppetery so this thread can now be closed as we have now solved another mystery of the universe.
What does your spelling checker actually tells you about "muppetery" and "muppetry" since both of those don't actually exist?
Actually, what's your point? Get it smartass? Resume to what you know best as I wrote above, oh wait you just tried it and it didn't work...
Logically he has already beaten you with perdantic statements based on well you, and the more angry you become and reply the more he wins
You need get a life
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Flow Befort
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.03.04 21:08:00 -
[173]
Originally by: Marko Zhang
Originally by: Jade Constantine a variety of Goonswarm drones are irritated that a longterm eve roleplayer has roleplayed the fact that she has absolutely no respect or awareness for who Sesfan actually is and doesn't care less about the prospect of fighting the goons right?
Hey, man, you don't talk to Sesfan. You listen to him. The man's enlarged my mind. He's a poet-warrior in the classic sense. I mean sometimes he'll... uh... well, you'll say "hello" to him, right? And he'll just walk right by you. He won't even notice you. And suddenly he'll grab you, and he'll throw you in a corner, and he'll say, "do you know that 'if' is the middle word in life? If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you, if you can trust yourself when all men doubt you"... I mean I'm no, I can't... I'm a little man, I'm a little man, he's... he's a great man. I should have been a pair of ragged claws scuttling across floors of silent seas...
hahahahahahahaha
I'm copying this
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Orangir
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 21:13:00 -
[174]
Edited by: Orangir on 04/03/2008 21:13:40 We didn't let a corporation hostile to us and our allies dock in a station we gave to some buddies deep in the heart of our home territory, man Goonswarm more like BULLYswarm am i right?
Sesfan is such a jerk
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.03.04 21:50:00 -
[175]
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 04/03/2008 21:55:30
Originally by: Flow Befort
Originally by: Marko Zhang
Originally by: Jade Constantine a variety of Goonswarm drones are irritated that a longterm eve roleplayer has roleplayed the fact that she has absolutely no respect or awareness for who Sesfan actually is and doesn't care less about the prospect of fighting the goons right?
Hey, man, you don't talk to Sesfan. You listen to him. The man's enlarged my mind. He's a poet-warrior in the classic sense. I mean sometimes he'll... uh... well, you'll say "hello" to him, right? And he'll just walk right by you. He won't even notice you. And suddenly he'll grab you, and he'll throw you in a corner, and he'll say, "do you know that 'if' is the middle word in life? If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you, if you can trust yourself when all men doubt you"... I mean I'm no, I can't... I'm a little man, I'm a little man, he's... he's a great man. I should have been a pair of ragged claws scuttling across floors of silent seas...
hahahahahahahaha
I'm copying this
Probably better to rent out the film and have a watch for yourself to be honest. (Its a great film).
Perhaps one day a Goon will say something original in the process of CAOD discussions. And by original I mean something they actually composed for themselves rather than simply copy and pasting from the rich vein of internet culture we all have at our beck and call in this wonderful age of intellectual convenience.
Who knows, if that ever happens we might have a debate. Well, one can dream!
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Orangir
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine Probably better to rent out the film and have a watch for yourself to be honest. (Its a great film).
Perhaps one day a Goon will say something original in the process of CAOD discussions. And by original I mean something they actually composed for themselves rather than simply copy and pasting from the rich vein of internet culture we all have at our beck and call in this wonderful age of intellectual convenience.
Who knows, if that ever happens we might have a debate. Well, one can dream!
You used a lot of words to say "lol goons are dumb". Coincidentally, that's not a very original thing to say.
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Junkie Beverage
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 04/03/2008 21:55:30
Perhaps one day a Goon will say something original in the process of CAOD discussions. And by original I mean something they actually composed for themselves rather than simply copy and pasting from the rich vein of internet culture we all have at our beck and call in this wonderful age of intellectual convenience.
Who knows, if that ever happens we might have a debate. Well, one can dream!
t(-_-t)
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Desiderata Fabian
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 22:33:00 -
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Not all of us are original enough to invent new words.
We just have to make do with existing English language terms like territorialism, hegemony and imperialism instead.
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Zizzyx
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 22:43:00 -
[179]
I don't know about anyone else, but I was hoping that conversation would end with Sesfan relenting and allowing them to move in right on our doorstep without setting standings to us-
-and then posting a thread in The War Room about how there is a tiny corp living one region away that hasn't set standings to us. The resulting griefing would probably cause half their members to quit the game and assuredly would have been more fun than this abortion of a thread.
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The Mittani
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.05 05:01:00 -
[180]
hey who are you i mean speaking as an important mitten in goonswarm i am v. curious about your grievance with us plx explain
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Zorlag
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.05 05:07:00 -
[181]
Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 04/03/2008 21:55:30
Originally by: Flow Befort
Originally by: Marko Zhang
Originally by: Jade Constantine a variety of Goonswarm drones are irritated that a longterm eve roleplayer has roleplayed the fact that she has absolutely no respect or awareness for who Sesfan actually is and doesn't care less about the prospect of fighting the goons right?
Hey, man, you don't talk to Sesfan. You listen to him. The man's enlarged my mind. He's a poet-warrior in the classic sense. I mean sometimes he'll... uh... well, you'll say "hello" to him, right? And he'll just walk right by you. He won't even notice you. And suddenly he'll grab you, and he'll throw you in a corner, and he'll say, "do you know that 'if' is the middle word in life? If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you, if you can trust yourself when all men doubt you"... I mean I'm no, I can't... I'm a little man, I'm a little man, he's... he's a great man. I should have been a pair of ragged claws scuttling across floors of silent seas...
hahahahahahahaha
I'm copying this
Probably better to rent out the film and have a watch for yourself to be honest. (Its a great film).
Perhaps one day a Goon will say something original in the process of CAOD discussions. And by original I mean something they actually composed for themselves rather than simply copy and pasting from the rich vein of internet culture we all have at our beck and call in this wonderful age of intellectual convenience.
Who knows, if that ever happens we might have a debate. Well, one can dream!
hey jade constantine i've heard you actually take the things you say seriously, but i have trouble believing it because i don't think anyone could actually be that dumb
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The Mittani
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.05 05:16:00 -
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woah wait this person is a ~LONGTIME EVE ROLEPLAYER~ according to jade constantine and they are upset and unhappy with us?
booyah
ok see look that only took a sentence to get across
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Baxalusx
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.05 09:15:00 -
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Originally by: Hardin Hang on Jade,
I thought you were a strong proponent of people building their own 'reputation' based on their actions in the world of EVE?
Now you seem to be indicating that they should be respected simply because they have a 'name' and a 'history'?
While Myadra may have a 'name' and a 'history' clearly 'reputation' is another matter, or else the Goons (and many others) wouldn't have found the whole conversation so funny...
Do you expect the Goons (as one of EVE's most powerful 0.0 entities) to take Myadra seriously simply because she is a roleplayer if her ingame reputation and power does not reflect the position of authority and behaviour which she is claiming?
Would a 'real' Blood Inquisition leader have taken an arrogant attitude when talking to one of the leading 0.0 powers? Possibly if that leader was in a position of authority and power but Myadra (currently) doesn't have that ingame authority.
I don't think the approach holds water based on the current ingame realities on either a roleplay or non-roleplay level - unless of course Myadra is deliberately trying to present her character as a crazy, out of touch cultist with no sense of diplomacy - in which case she did very well!
To be honest if CCP wrote a storyline where the leader of a 26 man corp was threatening Goons I think the general reaction would be laughter too - because it is the believable (and therefore roleplay realistic) reaction.
That is not to say Myadra is wrong in what she has done. It certainly adds colour and spice in the same way that 'Lord Vaari' does
We can all make things up, hell I could claim to be the illegitimate son of Emperor Heideran and next in line to the Amarr throne.
Simply because it sounds RPish, is written well and comes from someone with an RP background doesn't mean it should be protected from Goons or anyone else if it is clearly out of touch with ingame realities.
Wow, this post actually gets at the whole problem of roleplaying in MMOs - roleplayers wanting to impact the world without putting in the effort to make the ingame changes. That's why CVA gets lots of madprops, even from goons, though they're a bunch of ***wad roleplaying momos: CVA is willing and able to make the effort it takes to kick ass and defend themselves. We can work with that.
Most roleplayers throw up their hands and cry about how the game isn't conducive to their playing style because they can't be Darth Vader (the OP), or simply isolate themselves entirely from the non-roleplaying community and hide in empire or lowsec (Jade Constantine). Those roleplayers we're going to grief repeatedly. ---------
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Aodha Khan
Minmatar The Paratwa FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.03.05 09:29:00 -
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Edited by: Aodha Khan on 05/03/2008 09:35:48
Baxalusx, your actually roleplaying yourself every time to step into Eve. Roleplaying a large alliance trying to obtain power over virtual space, roleplaying politics, roleplaying spaceship combat.
You are obviously ignorant of the subject matter, so best keep it shut.
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Pastora
Russian SOBR Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.05 09:31:00 -
[185]
Jade Constantine, everything aside it was very-very-very poor roleplaying. If this was roleplaying, than bite me if I'm wrong when I'll state that we do better roleplaying with pushing f1, f2, f3...
A 'nobody' comes out of nowhere, asks strange, irrational, absurd questions, puts his or her opinion above local powers, makes ridiculous demands... Well, if (s)he wanted to roleplay a totally ignorant and stupid person, then (s)he has definitely succeeded. _______________________________________________ If ifs and ands were pots and pans, I would grow mushrooms in my pants. |
Baxalusx
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.05 09:46:00 -
[186]
Originally by: Aodha Khan Edited by: Aodha Khan on 05/03/2008 09:35:48
Baxalusx, your actually roleplaying yourself every time to step into Eve. Roleplaying a large alliance trying to obtain power over virtual space, roleplaying politics, roleplaying spaceship combat.
You are obviously ignorant of the subject matter, so best keep it shut.
As you state, it's fully implicit that everyone who plays EVE is a roleplayer to some degree. Therefore, the term has taken on a different meaning in the specific context of MMO gaming, but if you can't distinguish between an EVE player who identifies himself as a 'roleplayer' and one who does not simply by their behavioral patterns in and outside the game, you are being purposely obtuse and this discussion need continue no further.
Essentially, you are an idiot for pointing out something that was already implicitly inferred by virtue of EVE being an MMO. ---------
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Andnowthenews
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.05 09:47:00 -
[187]
Edited by: Andnowthenews on 05/03/2008 09:47:49
Originally by: Baxalusx
Wow, this post actually gets at the whole problem of roleplaying in MMOs - roleplayers wanting to impact the world without putting in the effort to make the ingame changes.
I hear there are some scumbags that actually use out of game forums to threadnaught and blackmail changes to the game to help them beat a group of ppl kicking their ass.
edit; oh nuts wrong posting dude.
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Pastora
Russian SOBR Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.05 09:55:00 -
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Andnowthenews, and still they are much better than you! _______________________________________________ If ifs and ands were pots and pans, I would grow mushrooms in my pants. |
Baxalusx
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.05 09:57:00 -
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Originally by: Andnowthenews Edited by: Andnowthenews on 05/03/2008 09:47:49
Originally by: Baxalusx
Wow, this post actually gets at the whole problem of roleplaying in MMOs - roleplayers wanting to impact the world without putting in the effort to make the ingame changes.
I hear there are some scumbags that actually use out of game forums to threadnaught and blackmail changes to the game to help them beat a group of ppl kicking their ass.
edit; oh nuts wrong posting dude.
Regardless of the fact that your insinuations are factually incorrect: who said out of game means can't affect the in game situation? The metagame is one of the most important aspects of EVE. ---------
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2008.03.05 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: Pastora Jade Constantine, everything aside it was very-very-very poor roleplaying. If this was roleplaying, than bite me if I'm wrong when I'll state that we do better roleplaying with pushing f1, f2, f3...
A 'nobody' comes out of nowhere, asks strange, irrational, absurd questions, puts his or her opinion above local powers, makes ridiculous demands... Well, if (s)he wanted to roleplay a totally ignorant and stupid person, then (s)he has definitely succeeded.
It struck me as RPing an arrogant person rather than a stupid one.
Amarrians are meant to be a bit arrogant.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Pastora
Russian SOBR Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.05 10:20:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake It struck me as RPing an arrogant person rather than a stupid one.
No, most questions were inconsistent. And to be honest, most of the conversation at the start of the private chat was looking as copy&paste text with total disdain of what another person was saying. _______________________________________________ If ifs and ands were pots and pans, I would grow mushrooms in my pants. |
Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.03.05 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Zorlag
Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 04/03/2008 21:55:30
Originally by: Flow Befort
Originally by: Marko Zhang
Originally by: Jade Constantine a variety of Goonswarm drones are irritated that a longterm eve roleplayer has roleplayed the fact that she has absolutely no respect or awareness for who Sesfan actually is and doesn't care less about the prospect of fighting the goons right?
Hey, man, you don't talk to Sesfan. You listen to him. The man's enlarged my mind. He's a poet-warrior in the classic sense. I mean sometimes he'll... uh... well, you'll say "hello" to him, right? And he'll just walk right by you. He won't even notice you. And suddenly he'll grab you, and he'll throw you in a corner, and he'll say, "do you know that 'if' is the middle word in life? If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you, if you can trust yourself when all men doubt you"... I mean I'm no, I can't... I'm a little man, I'm a little man, he's... he's a great man. I should have been a pair of ragged claws scuttling across floors of silent seas...
hahahahahahahaha
I'm copying this
Probably better to rent out the film and have a watch for yourself to be honest. (Its a great film).
Perhaps one day a Goon will say something original in the process of CAOD discussions. And by original I mean something they actually composed for themselves rather than simply copy and pasting from the rich vein of internet culture we all have at our beck and call in this wonderful age of intellectual convenience.
Who knows, if that ever happens we might have a debate. Well, one can dream!
hey jade constantine i've heard you actually take the things you say seriously, but i have trouble believing it because i don't think anyone could actually be that dumb
Good of you to take notice kind Sir! As you very perceptively note I do indeed take certain things quite seriously - films certainly! I love films and creative material and dislike the people that pass off other people's material as their own. I'd have paid a certain degree of muted respect to a goon that managed that satirize my post on their own individual creative merit but simply changing the name and ripping off Apocalypse Now was never going to float my boat. But thanks for caring! I hope you have a jolly nice day out there in goon-land and everything turns out peachy!
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Anikadir
The Older Gamers R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.03.05 11:26:00 -
[193]
/me rolls a 10 on the D12 and with skill bonuses, does critical damage with his +5 broadsword to kill the ogre II.
Vale Gary Gygax. - if they had personal computers of the current standard, 30 years ago......
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Baxalusx
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.05 11:31:00 -
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Edited by: Baxalusx on 05/03/2008 11:31:26 Face it Jade, the only reason you posted that wall of text is because the refusal of acknowledgement of the kind of roleplayers who Myadra represent (the worthless ones, who write long posts and dumb fanfic without making much competent ingame effort) is also a refusal of acknowledgement of you, and general refusal to acknowledge you means you have no worthwhile reputation. That's the problem with your suggestion that we all rely on the judgment of others ("reputation") to determine our own worth: you aren't worth jack ****, and we don't want to end up like you. ---------
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Anikadir
The Older Gamers R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.03.05 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: Baxalusx Edited by: Baxalusx on 05/03/2008 11:31:26 Face it Jade, the only reason you posted that wall of text is because the refusal of acknowledgement of the kind of roleplayers who Myadra represent (the worthless ones, who write long posts and dumb fanfic without making much competent ingame effort) is also a refusal of acknowledgement of you, and general refusal to acknowledge you means you have no worthwhile reputation. That's the problem with your suggestion that we all rely on the judgment of others ("reputation") to determine our own worth: you aren't worth jack ****, and we don't want to end up like you.
So take that from someone who flies pixels on a screen and cares passionately for those pixels to the extent that personal hygiene has lost all meaning .
Oh Goonies ***** us up sometimes.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.03.05 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Pastora Jade Constantine, everything aside it was very-very-very poor roleplaying. If this was roleplaying, than bite me if I'm wrong when I'll state that we do better roleplaying with pushing f1, f2, f3...
A 'nobody' comes out of nowhere, asks strange, irrational, absurd questions, puts his or her opinion above local powers, makes ridiculous demands... Well, if (s)he wanted to roleplay a totally ignorant and stupid person, then (s)he has definitely succeeded.
Well Pastora, here is the thing about roleplaying - it doesn't require the person doing it to be portraying a balanced and perceptive mind. Myadra is (as far as I know) playing a true amarrian heretical blood cultist with a superiority complex a thousand light years across and founding arrogance build on religious dogma and zealotry. Expecting rational assessment of relative strengths and local knowledge to intrude on the aura of self belief is like expecting any real life religious extremist to accept rational constraints on their faith. It simply doesn't happen. It isn't reasonable to say that "good roleplay" = "informed political opinions" and "bad roleplay" = "crazy flights of fancy and arrogance".
But more than anything I believe you are falling into the trap of believing that your own set of values is the only thing important in assessing the relative worth of a fellow player here. You might well believe that the only way to assess power and meaningful existence in eve is to have 1010010101 allies and be capable of assembling (or being a part of an assembled node-crashing blob) at will. So be it, thats your measure. But others have different measures of relative prestige and reputation.
Calling Myadra a "nobody" because she has a small corporation is ridiculous. Istavaan had a small corporation, he made big news because of innovative and brutal criminal actions and utterly ruthless butchery of other players dreams and aspirations.
Calling Myadra a "nobody" because she doesn't have an uber capital fleet of doom is also ridiculous. So it rules her out of siege warfare in 0.0 pos-grinding bore-fests? Whatever, who is to say she isn't a demon in single combat and small unit actions and raiding warfare? Eve is more than the huge blob-clashes. Its possible to get very famous in this game for small unit operations and sexy PR, it really is. Ultimately the esteem and reputation that a player gets from the rest of the player base is determined by many many factors and assembling large fleets for POS sieges in 0.0 is just one of them.
Has a person been in the in-game news? Has a person been interviewed/profiled in EON? Has a person started wars/key alliances/scandals/drama bombs? Has a person been involved in plot arcs and story development? Has a person been particularly successful in industry/investment? Has a person built a name for community service and achieve? Has a person got a rep for consistent and striking roleplay and characterization?
Etc etc etc.
Sure you can tell me these things are just "PR fluff" and irrelevant to the true nature of power in 0.0 etc etc blah blah blah. But ultimately the server is bigger than Goons/RA/Coalition and such and life continues for other players regardless of who has the most patience for laggy node-crash battles in deep 0.0. Eve is a game. Games are supposed to entertain. In this lovely single-server environment we are often entertained by our fellow players and I have to tell you right now that reading Myadra's whacky blood cultist amarrian supremacist spiel talking down to a self-important overblown goon officer was highly entertaining ... to me.
Whats also entertaining is that since Myadra and organization is "too small" for Goons to notice she's likely going to make good on her threat of murdering and ganking individual goons for her entertainment for the future and there is absolutely nothing that the coalition could or would (or has the will) to do about it.
And that is amusing too.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.03.05 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Baxalusx Edited by: Baxalusx on 05/03/2008 11:31:26 Face it Jade, the only reason you posted that wall of text is because the refusal of acknowledgement of the kind of roleplayers who Myadra represent (the worthless ones, who write long posts and dumb fanfic without making much competent ingame effort) is also a refusal of acknowledgement of you, and general refusal to acknowledge you means you have no worthwhile reputation. That's the problem with your suggestion that we all rely on the judgment of others ("reputation") to determine our own worth: you aren't worth jack ****, and we don't want to end up like you.
Awww Baxaluszx, don't worry I was going to get around to you and respond to your first post on this page. Go and make a cup of coffee, wait 20mins and you'll have a long post of mine to really get your teeth into. I promise!
"I might not have meant anything by it" |
Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.03.05 12:42:00 -
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Now then, Baxalusx of the Goonswarm
Firstly, thank you for responding on this thread, I find your comments very revealing and useful launching points to a further discussion. You also seem to me to be a very useful example of that most elusive of beasts ôthe average goonö and IÆm going to afford you that status for the duration of our discussions.
So then to business!
You (like many goons) have a problem with roleplayers û or what you perceive to be ôspecial roleplayersö ie those roleplayers who donÆt want to interact with the rest of the server and prefer to ôroleplay like they are importantö without doing the really ôimportant thingsö (like joining the coalition and fighting bob for you) or (assembling vast laggy fleets and paying taxes to rich goon players and maintaining an SA subscription).
But you see, already you make a really huge leap of faith straight into a deep ravine of misapprehension and ignorance from the word go û you assume that because you (and the greater goon community) and your alliances and chums in 0.0 consider that 0.0 territorial warfare is the most important thing in Eve, it automatically IS the most important thing in eve. You consider that your preferences and ambitions are the universal preferences and ambitions. You believe that nothing you do not value is capable of worth. You have nothing but scorn for alternative ambitions, different codes of conduct and aspiration, you appear entirely incapable of appreciating there is any other way but ... ôthe goon wayö.
But thatÆs okay Baxalusx, and its actually a point of agreement between us, you see I believe you are roleplaying an indoctrinated cult member sacrificing your own individuality to some whacko nihilistic religion that a rich guy invented in crayon on the back of a beer mat. As far as IÆm concerned you are playing your role perfectly, and your inability to see any option beyond the ôsacred truth of a hallowed goon memeö is absolutely appropriate to your role in Eve.
So then, you laud CVA for ômeaning somethingö and achieving ômadpropsö for building a POS and cyno jammer network and joining your community of friends. Okay, but this surprises anyone ... how? As weÆve discussed you respect only what is like you. CVA has taken the same choices the swarm has taken, enlarged its member base, used 0.0 mechanics to make a defensive network virtually proof against attack, is capable of massively outblobbing any likely opposition and when that fails it has friends (like the Goons for example) to call in for extra numbers to erase the option of a conventional fight.
CVA and the Goons are very very close. Both have taken the option of using raw numbers to win wars, of liberalizing recruitment, of using ôbums on seatsö over inspiration in battle methodology. ItÆs no surprise you love these guys, they hold a vital flank to your territory, they know where their bread is buttered, and they arenÆt going to turn on you in a million years. Of course ôyou can work with thatö û they are a tool for you to use, thereÆs no harm in saying nice things about a well-trained pet is there?
So then we get to the rest of the poor ômisguidedö RP community you loathe. Roving pvpÆers (irrelevant) Empire nationalists (silly) Pirate RpÆers (laughable) û all small organisations, small alliances, small corporations, small people (in your eyes). But thatÆs where your Goon blinkers do you a disservice of course, but while your natural preference in assessing ôpower and competence and significanceö is stuck at ôability to blob and assault POSö other people have a completely different scale of external competence they judge people by:
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.03.05 12:46:00 -
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Thats right! IÆll come clean right now dear Baxalusx. I donÆt actually respect the accomplishments of the Goonswarm. I donÆt think it takes talent to blobwar and induct thousands of players directly from a 3rd party forum to form the backbone of a ôfleetö that still canÆt accomplish anything of note in 0.0 without organizing a ridiculously mismatched lynch mob of powers to harry a obscenely outnumbered target. I think you are portraying the extras in an epic historical drama at the moment falling under the swords of a band of professional soldiers and getting slaughtered in droves. Maybe thats your thing (it could be) but given the rabble-class ôalso-ranö nature of your participation in most ôsignificantö fights in the great war at the core of your iconic mythology itÆd be far more honest to re-name your alliance ômook-swarmö for something more appropriate because (like the cybermen vs daleks) you are superior to your foe in only one way at the moment ... dying.
But I digress,
I was about to explain what I do respect in the game of eve at this point, and really, there are no great surprises:
I like pvp excellence, I love people with the courage and confidence to fight duels, I love dangerous corporations with small unit tactics skills, I like innovation, I like colour and diversity, I like learning something new each time the Fraction goes a-raiding and I love the mystique and atmosphere of the game of eve online. At the moment the tournament coverage is excellent, great RP news pieces, exciting fights, super commentary and a genuine test of pvp skill and nerve. And I must admit, IÆm enjoying the good showing that the various RP alliances are making in the tournament too û hardly isolated from the non-RP community dear Baxalusx, I suspect youÆll discover how ôisolatedö those entities truly are the next time goonswarm alliance is drawn against them in future tournaments.
But I can sense your veins popping and irritated thrumming of fingertips on the desk as you read these words ... ôbut but but its not POS warfare and devoted to killing off BOB in the great Goon crusade!ö and I sadly smile "No dear chap, it really isnÆt."
And neither of course is the whole of Eve. This is a rich living universe with its own cast of heroes and villains and beautiful history, it existed before the Goonswarm and it will exist after the Goonswarm, empires rise and fall, things change, the political environment evolves and some entities crash and burn out while others survive and adapt.
Will Goonswarm survive a failure to eliminate Band of Brothers? Who can tell. But I suspect youÆll have about the same success in ôgriefingö enemy roleplayers as youÆve had fighting BoB without the backup of your lynch mob in recent weeks.
And shouldnÆt I be a little more scared of 4000 players with an agenda to ôgrief meö? Hardly dear chap. You see, IÆm roleplaying a character who doesnÆt respect any opponent without the courage to fight single combats and leave their home ground and actually commit to difficult warfare against cunning and elusive foes wherever they might be found. Goons IÆm afraid just make me laugh. No need to ôhideö from an alliance full of 3rd party internet meme posters whoÆs most terrifying attack mode is the node crash and the threadnaught. You chaps are no more relevant to me than a power-outage or internet routing glitch.
So you are going to ôgrief usö (repeatedly)?
To coin a phrase, ôbring itö
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The Mittani
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.05 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Now then, Baxalusx of the Goonswarm
Firstly, thank you for responding on this thread, I find your comments very revealing and useful launching points to a further discussion. You also seem to me to be a very useful example of that most elusive of beasts ôthe average goonö and IÆm going to afford you that status for the duration of our discussions.
So then to business!
You (like many goons) have a problem with roleplayers û or what you perceive to be ôspecial roleplayersö ie those roleplayers who donÆt want to interact with the rest of the server and prefer to ôroleplay like they are importantö without doing the really ôimportant thingsö (like joining the coalition and fighting bob for you) or (assembling vast laggy fleets and paying taxes to rich goon players and maintaining an SA subscription).
But you see, already you make a really huge leap of faith straight into a deep ravine of misapprehension and ignorance from the word go û you assume that because you (and the greater goon community) and your alliances and chums in 0.0 consider that 0.0 territorial warfare is the most important thing in Eve, it automatically IS the most important thing in eve. You consider that your preferences and ambitions are the universal preferences and ambitions. You believe that nothing you do not value is capable of worth. You have nothing but scorn for alternative ambitions, different codes of conduct and aspiration, you appear entirely incapable of appreciating there is any other way but ... ôthe goon wayö.
But thatÆs okay Baxalusx, and its actually a point of agreement between us, you see I believe you are roleplaying an indoctrinated cult member sacrificing your own individuality to some whacko nihilistic religion that a rich guy invented in crayon on the back of a beer mat. As far as IÆm concerned you are playing your role perfectly, and your inability to see any option beyond the ôsacred truth of a hallowed goon memeö is absolutely appropriate to your role in Eve.
So then, you laud CVA for ômeaning somethingö and achieving ômadpropsö for building a POS and cyno jammer network and joining your community of friends. Okay, but this surprises anyone ... how? As weÆve discussed you respect only what is like you. CVA has taken the same choices the swarm has taken, enlarged its member base, used 0.0 mechanics to make a defensive network virtually proof against attack, is capable of massively outblobbing any likely opposition and when that fails it has friends (like the Goons for example) to call in for extra numbers to erase the option of a conventional fight.
CVA and the Goons are very very close. Both have taken the option of using raw numbers to win wars, of liberalizing recruitment, of using ôbums on seatsö over inspiration in battle methodology. ItÆs no surprise you love these guys, they hold a vital flank to your territory, they know where their bread is buttered, and they arenÆt going to turn on you in a million years. Of course ôyou can work with thatö û they are a tool for you to use, thereÆs no harm in saying nice things about a well-trained pet is there?
So then we get to the rest of the poor ômisguidedö RP community you loathe. Roving pvpÆers (irrelevant) Empire nationalists (silly) Pirate RpÆers (laughable) û all small organisations, small alliances, small corporations, small people (in your eyes). But thatÆs where your Goon blinkers do you a disservice of course, but while your natural preference in assessing ôpower and competence and significanceö is stuck at ôability to blob and assault POSö other people have a completely different scale of external competence they judge people by:
good god icorion look what you inflicted on us imma kill you ugh
~*ugh*~
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The Mittani
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.05 12:49:00 -
[201]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
And shouldnÆt I be a little more scared of 4000 players with an agenda to ôgrief meö? Hardly dear chap. You see, IÆm roleplaying a character who doesnÆt respect any opponent without the courage to fight single combats and leave their home ground and actually commit to difficult warfare against cunning and elusive foes wherever they might be found. Goons IÆm afraid just make me laugh. No need to ôhideö from an alliance full of 3rd party internet meme posters whoÆs most terrifying attack mode is the node crash and the threadnaught. You chaps are no more relevant to me than a power-outage or internet routing glitch.
So you are going to ôgrief usö (repeatedly)?
To coin a phrase, ôbring itö
look what happened to your precious caod vOv
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Baxalusx
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.05 12:59:00 -
[202]
Edited by: Baxalusx on 05/03/2008 13:01:03 Jade, thank you for proving my point. Your entire wall of text rests on the less than subtle replacement of "refusal of acknowledgement" with "important", and of course, once you realize that, you also realize that you are simply reiterating what I said in the post you responded to. We refuse to acknowledge you because we find your way of playing the game completely without point or merit, yet as I explained, you continue to try to obtain that very thing by proxy through defending the OP, who like you plays the game in a way we find without point or merit, thus why Sesfan dismissed him as a nobody.
As for griefing, well, people like you are most easily griefed by ramming my member through the holes in your logic. ---------
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The Mittani
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.05 13:05:00 -
[203]
oh so sesfan called the op a nobody and jade is upset now i get it
yeah non-cva roleplayers are irrelevant to anything in this game except providing a source of comedy or grief also posting so many words about how you dont care about something isnt very effective since if you didn't care you wouldn't post like dat
(sesfan is right whoever the op's group is they're nobodies sozm8m8m8)
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Amerame
Section XIII
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Posted - 2008.03.05 13:09:00 -
[204]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
You see, IÆm roleplaying a character
If you were any good at roleplaying you wouldn't have to remind us in each and every post you make that you are roleplaying, and what you are trying to roleplay.
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Myadra
Amarr Cruoris Seraphim
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Posted - 2008.03.05 13:30:00 -
[205]
Jade, We've been enemy's in the past, but a word of advice.. you shouldn't waste your time reasoning with goon's. All they have is the flag they stand under, and excuses to justify their actions and attitude. which is no respect for any other community but their own...
Back to the topic of Goonswarm influence and politics in 0.0 & its threat to the very coalition its helped form & is trying to hold together, As I see Goons and RA and other bloc's of power trying to hold this together desperatly, all the while plotting against each other.. like TCF using its alt corps to kill friendly's.. to hold this Coalition together as long as they can, to gain more power and influence.. to get more alliances like VENOM and slowly turn its friends into slaves.
I see Goon's "trying" to be equals to RA right now & RA letting on they are. both have a sphere of influence, and pawns on their chess board, RA has UNL for instance & (many more I could list), Goons had VENOM & (many more I could list), and to keep their space occupied and the ones under their influence under lock and chain, they pit them against each other.. and play them like a chess game, such as is happening now. UNL/VENOM conflict. this should go to show how much this "Coalition" means..
I believe, as some other threads have spurred up, they have indeed forgotten the roots they came from, massive numbers fighting the same politics & attitudes they've now learned. and become what they once rallied against.
And I have seen many reminders they're just trying to become a 3rd rate Band of Brothers.. just by my interactions with their people (not just those provided logs), I mean what they did to Valainaloce should show what the future holds for those who they don't need on their "chess board" .. SamuraiJack called it out for what it is.
And I really like how Xirt/VOTF (Ex-CA) put it, in this post:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=718833
Lets hope, this coalition comes to its senses before they are "enslaved" and butchered by the chess board they are setting up in their favor.. such as their plans to take over the east.. starting with IAC space and Providence once Delve has fallen..
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The Mittani
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.05 13:33:00 -
[206]
Originally by: Myadra Jade, We've been enemy's in the past, but a word of advice.. you shouldn't waste your time reasoning with goon's. All they have is the flag they stand under, and excuses to justify their actions and attitude. which is no respect for any other community but their own...
Back to the topic of Goonswarm influence and politics in 0.0 & its threat to the very coalition its helped form & is trying to hold together, As I see Goons and RA and other bloc's of power trying to hold this together desperatly, all the while plotting against each other.. like TCF using its alt corps to kill friendly's.. to hold this Coalition together as long as they can, to gain more power and influence.. to get more alliances like VENOM and slowly turn its friends into slaves.
I see Goon's "trying" to be equals to RA right now & RA letting on they are. both have a sphere of influence, and pawns on their chess board, RA has UNL for instance & (many more I could list), Goons had VENOM & (many more I could list), and to keep their space occupied and the ones under their influence under lock and chain, they pit them against each other.. and play them like a chess game, such as is happening now. UNL/VENOM conflict. this should go to show how much this "Coalition" means..
I believe, as some other threads have spurred up, they have indeed forgotten the roots they came from, massive numbers fighting the same politics & attitudes they've now learned. and become what they once rallied against.
And I have seen many reminders they're just trying to become a 3rd rate Band of Brothers.. just by my interactions with their people (not just those provided logs), I mean what they did to Valainaloce should show what the future holds for those who they don't need on their "chess board" .. SamuraiJack called it out for what it is.
And I really like how Xirt/VOTF (Ex-CA) put it, in this post:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=718833
Lets hope, this coalition comes to its senses before they are "enslaved" and butchered by the chess board they are setting up in their favor.. such as their plans to take over the east.. starting with IAC space and Providence once Delve has fallen..
yeah we want to take iac space and providence ceo of a 28 man roleplaying corp its true
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The Mittani
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.05 13:34:00 -
[207]
just a second here go re-read that this roleplayer non-ironically suggested that someone actually wanted to take /providence/ wow just wow
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Dionisius
Gallente Critical Analysis R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.03.05 14:32:00 -
[208]
Originally by: The Mittani just a second here go re-read that this roleplayer non-ironically suggested that someone actually wanted to take /providence/ wow just wow
You could have spared the rest of the readers from those thoughts aswell. _____________________________________ I pay beer for new sig.
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Hardin
Amarr Beets and Gravy Syndicate The InterBus Initiative
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Posted - 2008.03.05 14:39:00 -
[209]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
CVA has taken the same choices the swarm has taken, enlarged its member base, used 0.0 mechanics to make a defensive network virtually proof against attack, is capable of massively outblobbing any likely opposition and when that fails it has friends (like the Goons for example) to call in for extra numbers to erase the option of a conventional fight.
CVA and the Goons are very very close. Both have taken the option of using raw numbers to win wars, of liberalizing recruitment, of using ôbums on seatsö over inspiration in battle methodology. Of course ôyou can work with thatö û they are a tool for you to use, thereÆs no harm in saying nice things about a well-trained pet is there?
While I know you have no love for CVA and as such should know better than to respond to your slander but I cannot let such inaccuracies and lies go past unchallenged.
1) CVA has not enlarged its member base to any gigantic extent indeed a quick look at Outpost Ranking will quite clearly demonstrate that fact:
http://www.eve-maps.com/outpostalert/alliancechart.asp?FilterType=Alliance&FilterBy=CVA
Indeed with the exception of Mercenary Coalition we are the smallest alliance in the Top 20 Sov Holders and are less than half the size of the majority of the Top 10. As evidenced here:
http://www.eve-maps.com/outpostalert/alliancerank.asp?Sov=OFF
The CVA has never mass recruited nor have we let standards slip. It is still a damn hard job (sometimes over a year proving themselves) for a corp to get accepted into the CVA) and if you have failed to keep up with our growth then that is your problem not ours...
Regarding our defensive network being impregnable from attack well you can believe that if you want to (indeed please go on telling yourself that - it makes our life so much easier )
The fact is that no one's space is invincible simply because of POS mechanics and the ebb and flow of the Coalition vs GBC is one self evident manifestation of that as is MC's charge through the North last year or the current Tri vs Smashkill conflict.
Is it difficult to challenge an existing entrenched alliance? Yes it bloody well is. Is it impossible to remove them? No its not. The fact is that CVA has been in Providence for four years now, from a time before POS mechanics even came into play, so please look elsewhere for your excuses. Mittani's 'no one wants Providence anyway' seems like a good one!
Moving on to your claim that CVA and the Goons are very close!
Clearly your intelligence network has let you down. The simple fact that some individual Goon members seem to like us and give us mad props on the forums is not in my book a definition of being 'close'.
The fact is that Goons are RED to us. They generally get shot when they come to our space. Yes we have a mutual friend in the form of IAC (and yes without any prompting some 30 of their pilots turned up with IAC to help us out against Tri) but they are still KOS to us and they shoot us and we shoot them.
We certainly aren't holding a VITAL flank for them simply because we don't actively poke them outside Providence! Anyway who exactly are we holding this VITAL flank for or against? You could just as well argue that we are holding a VITAL flank for BoB as we don't take any proactive action against them outside Providence either! And then your final arguement: "Both have taken the option of using raw numbers to win wars, of liberalizing recruitment, of using ôbums on seatsö over inspiration in battle methodology." which in basic summation is:
"Lol you nubs can't fight, you just blob"
Poor old Jade. Diminished to the point where you have to smack your enemies on the forums because you can't beat them in game!
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.05 15:36:00 -
[210]
There can be little doubt CVA got to where it is today by outnumbering and outblobbing its contemporaries and any organization who became an obstacle.
Oh, wait...
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Desiderata Fabian
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.05 16:18:00 -
[211]
It takes skill to type that many words and never come close to hitting a rational point. I guess you just keep going until your circumlocution eventually causes people to assume you are being astute and insightful.
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Pastora
Russian SOBR Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.05 16:39:00 -
[212]
All right, Jade Constantine. I might have been too harsh calling names and such, but by calling OP 'nobody' I was talking absolutely just from my ingame point of view.
If it was a "roleplaying", then she got the correct ingame response (partially mirrored here), which she would logically get under normal circumstances in any diplomatic discussions.
It doesn't matter if a person comes from large corporation/alliance/whataver, but it definetly matters how the person is approaching 'locals', and so on... instead of coming to people that never (!) heard about the person in question and being enough arrogant to demand something. That's like if I would pack my things, go to US to bang on the gate of the White House and demand permanent residence permit with the only reason for them to answer my request being my wish to have it. _______________________________________________ If ifs and ands were pots and pans, I would grow mushrooms in my pants. |
Montague Zooma
Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.05 17:20:00 -
[213]
Originally by: Baxalusx That's why CVA gets lots of madprops, even from goons, though they're a bunch of ***wad roleplaying momos: CVA is willing and able to make the effort it takes to kick ass and defend themselves.
I prefer to be called a "fruity roleplayer".
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Dracolich
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.03.05 17:26:00 -
[214]
Is it me, or has Jade been missing for 2 years in Eve? Nonetheless - it feels good to read good(entertaining) COAD threads once again.
btw, would Hardin, Digital Communist, Jade Constantine, DB Preacher and sirMolle make a fine ensemble of free thinkers? _____________________________________
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Zorlag
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.05 17:33:00 -
[215]
Yes, preferably in a sealed box without any way for sound to escape to the outside world
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Spoon Thumb
Caldari Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.05 17:42:00 -
[216]
Edited by: Spoon Thumb on 05/03/2008 17:43:40
Originally by: Jade Constantine
stuff...
0.0 is as good an end game as any in Eve, and 1 vs 1 isn't nearly as hard as organising a fleet motivating people and setting up massive logistics.
Have you ever done that stuff? It is amazing how people will go to tremendous effort to save a little time and effort later. Similarly with goons, there is a huge amount of work going in to producing "lolz"
Also those that identify themselves as roleplayers can be incredibly elitist. Not all but a lot.
Khaldari khanidpublic: RP channel for Kingdom loyalists
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Tearavygh Quillam
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.05 18:06:00 -
[217]
Originally by: Hungo Logically he has already beaten you with perdantic statements based on well you, and the more angry you become and reply the more he wins
You need get a life
Logically he hasn't done ****! He bases his theories on thin ice, just like he did with this one. Throw an argument at him and he'll use it in no matter way to proove his point, even if the argument is flawed. It's the case.
And yes, Google is the new dictionary to use on how to correctly derivate words from non existing words, right Muppet? Right?
I choose the life I want. Keep the advice to yourself.
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Papa Ina
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.05 18:10:00 -
[218]
Derive.
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Tearavygh Quillam
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.05 18:27:00 -
[219]
Originally by: Papa Ina Derive.
Thank you. English is not my native language and I do know I make mistakes. Hence, I didn't give any English lessons on these forums, I just pointed the irony.
If you think otherwise, point me to the post where I claimed I teach English or that my English is flawless.
Chest beating about knowing facts, having perfect argumented theories and in the same time ignoring your own mistakes, but giving lessons to the others is just pitiful.
I'm just the ***** around the corner. I don't chest beat, but I will have a go at anyone who likes it, but doesn't keep up to it.
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Exioce
Gallente Trisomy 21
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Posted - 2008.03.05 19:03:00 -
[220]
That's an awful lots of words for saying you think Goonswarm is the new BoB.
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Dangerously Cheesey
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.05 19:06:00 -
[221]
tl;dr Jade is the new mayor of Wrongville.
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Scatim Helicon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.05 21:20:00 -
[222]
Originally by: Amerame
Originally by: Jade Constantine
You see, IÆm roleplaying a character
If you were any good at roleplaying you wouldn't have to remind us in each and every post you make that you are roleplaying, and what you are trying to roleplay.
kablammo
TCF OUT OF ****ING NOWHERE
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.03.05 22:33:00 -
[223]
Hardin, I'm not interested as a player in getting into your and Jade's battle of opinions, supportable to one degree or another by subjective argumentation. I hesitate to say anything really but I will comment on something that is a fact.
Originally by: Hardin
Originally by: Jade Constantine
CVA has taken the same choices the swarm has taken, enlarged its member base, used 0.0 mechanics to make a defensive network virtually proof against attack, is capable of massively outblobbing any likely opposition and when that fails it has friends (like the Goons for example) to call in for extra numbers to erase the option of a conventional fight.
While I know you have no love for CVA (and as such should know better than to respond to your slander) I cannot let such inaccuracies and lies go unchallenged.
1) CVA has not enlarged its member base to any gigantic extent indeed a quick look at Outpost Ranking will quite clearly demonstrate that fact:
http://www.eve-maps.com/outpostalert/alliancechart.asp?FilterType=Alliance&FilterBy=CVA
Indeed with the exception of Mercenary Coalition we are the smallest alliance in the Top 20 Sov Holders and are less than half the size of the majority of the Top 10. As evidenced here:
http://www.eve-maps.com/outpostalert/alliancerank.asp?Sov=OFF
The CVA has never mass recruited nor have we let standards slip. It is still a damn hard job (sometimes over a year proving themselves) for a corp to get accepted into the CVA) and if you have failed to keep up with our growth then that is your problem not ours...
First, Hardin, you choose to exaggerate what your opponent has said and then reply to something entirely different that they haven't so much as said, claimed or suggested.
The CVA size ranking at present is not relevant to anything Jade has said. It says absolutely nothing about growth, as I think you well realise.
Second, let's just look at what Jade said that seems to have exercised you so much: "CVA has taken the same choices the swarm has taken, enlarged its member base [...]"
That you have enlarged, and significantly, is manifestly true.
In July 2006, the CVA member base stood at 230.
In February 2007, the CVA member base stood at 470.
Today, it stands at 700.
I don't know if tripling the member base in under two years is enlarging it to 'any gigantic extent' but that's your phrase, Hardin, not what Jade said. I do think to deny that is significant growth by anyone's standards would be a bit... well, odd. We both know what one of the major reasons for that growth rate is. I will say right away that I don't at all think that change was a 'slip' in CVA standards. (Not least because I have a higher regard for the first beneficiary of it than I honestly have for some who were always eligible for membership.) Yet, again, to deny that there was a change is... plain foolishness.
Once more, I'm really not interested in this argument that much û and I don't personally seek to make any points based on that growth rate û but when Jade is on solid factual ground on a point, you have no real call to say she is a liar on that point. In fact, it's a bit shabby. Just be in no doubt, we've kept up on CVA growth and accurately so.
The rest, you two can bash on about as it's all perspective anyway. The above, however, is simple, solid fact.
My own opinions on the issues are a little bit different to some aired here, and I suspect I could have a civilised discussion with Garreck on the topic, but it's probably not something worth doing, when all is said and done.
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Flow Befort
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.03.05 22:41:00 -
[224]
Edited by: Flow Befort on 05/03/2008 22:42:43 Edited by: Flow Befort on 05/03/2008 22:42:01 Edited by: Flow Befort on 05/03/2008 22:41:34
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
In July 2006, the CVA member base stood at 230.
In February 2007, the CVA member base stood at 470.
Today, it stands at 700.
Now go check the total subscription numbers for TQ for those dates, and realize how stupid you look
AND IT ONLY TOOK ME A LINE! (well (edit3: three, ****) including this one)
burn delivered with (edit4: 3489) characters to spare
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Rudi Storm
SGL
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Posted - 2008.03.05 22:45:00 -
[225]
Originally by: Flow Befort
Now go check the total subscription numbers for TQ for those dates, and realize how stupid you look
AND IT ONLY TOOK ME A LINE! (well (edit3: three, ****) including this one)
burn delivered with (edit4: 3489) characters to spare
Did the subscription mubers triple in the last year?
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Flow Befort
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.03.05 22:46:00 -
[226]
Originally by: Rudi Storm
Originally by: Flow Befort
Now go check the total subscription numbers for TQ for those dates, and realize how stupid you look
AND IT ONLY TOOK ME A LINE! (well (edit3: three, ****) including this one)
burn delivered with (edit4: 3489) characters to spare
Did the subscription mubers triple in the last year?
they have ~doubled over the last year and a half
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Sinia
Shadow Council
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Posted - 2008.03.05 22:48:00 -
[227]
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
First, Hardin, you choose to exaggerate what your opponent has said and then reply to something entirely different that they haven't so much as said, claimed or suggested.
The CVA size ranking at present is not relevant to anything Jade has said. It says absolutely nothing about growth, as I think you well realise.
Second, let's just look at what Jade said that seems to have exercised you so much: "CVA has taken the same choices the swarm has taken, enlarged its member base [...]"
That you have enlarged, and significantly, is manifestly true.
In July 2006, the CVA member base stood at 230.
In February 2007, the CVA member base stood at 470.
Today, it stands at 700.
So basically you are saying that CVA has grown at about the same rate as the population of TQ has increased?
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Rudi Storm
SGL
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Posted - 2008.03.05 22:51:00 -
[228]
Originally by: Flow Befort
they have ~doubled over the last year and a half
So acording to you they have taken on new players to fill/boost their ranks... Jade made the same point.
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Gloomy Gus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.05 22:53:00 -
[229]
Originally by: Jade Constantine her in-game persona
What's kind of silly about this is that you seem to have found all the TL;DR responses obnoxious yet you didn't seem to have read it yourself. This "roleplaying" isn't just roleplaying, as far as I can tell they're roleplaying a puffed up idiot who knows nothing about the largest alliance in space. If Sesfan had actually been roleplaying as well he'd have been harsher, not nicer.
Originally by: JakeNoble well id just like to say kilz is an epic****got
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.03.05 22:55:00 -
[230]
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
In July 2006, the CVA member base stood at 230.
In February 2007, the CVA member base stood at 470.
Today, it stands at 700.
Do your figures include how many allies CVA have now using and willing to defend their space like sylph and others. Having a relatively small membership in your prime alliance to stay below the radar of the big EVE alliances while all the time either creating other medium sized alliances around you or gaining them as allies in and around the same space is a good idea i think.
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Flow Befort
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.03.05 23:07:00 -
[231]
Edited by: Flow Befort on 05/03/2008 23:07:24
Originally by: marakor Edited by: marakor on 05/03/2008 22:59:53
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
In July 2006, the CVA member base stood at 230.
In February 2007, the CVA member base stood at 470.
Today, it stands at 700.
Do your figures include how many allies CVA have now using and willing to defend their space like sylph and others.
Having a relatively small membership in your prime alliance to stay below the radar of the big EVE alliances while all the time either creating other medium sized alliances around you or gaining them as allies in and around the same space is a good idea i think.
They're staying below the radar not because of numbers, but because Providence is a crappy region and worth way less than what you'll spend trying to take it. And no one competent hates CVA enough to do it if they don't want the region.
edit: mindblown that crappy passed the wordfilter...
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Shin Ra
Shinra Shinra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.05 23:12:00 -
[232]
I decided to Balance things out by switching sides.
Love, Shin Ra Shinra Shinra ,,,,,, ,,,, ,,, ,
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Garregus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.05 23:20:00 -
[233]
posting in a peoke thread
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Chowdown
Gallente Shinra Shinra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.05 23:23:00 -
[234]
Originally by: Shin Ra I decided to Balance things out by switching sides.
Love, Shin Ra Shinra Shinra ,,,,,, ,,,, ,,, ,
We need more denominations tbh
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Ghost Reaper
Shinra Shinra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.05 23:25:00 -
[235]
Originally by: Shin Ra I decided to Balance things out by switching sides.
Love, Shin Ra Shinra Shinra ,,,,,, ,,,, ,,, ,
WTB raven with damps on it
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Reash
Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.05 23:31:00 -
[236]
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
First, Hardin, you choose to exaggerate what your opponent has said and then reply to something entirely different that they haven't so much as said, claimed or suggested.
The CVA size ranking at present is not relevant to anything Jade has said. It says absolutely nothing about growth, as I think you well realise.
Second, let's just look at what Jade said that seems to have exercised you so much: "CVA has taken the same choices the swarm has taken, enlarged its member base [...]"
That you have enlarged, and significantly, is manifestly true.
In July 2006, the CVA member base stood at 230.
In February 2007, the CVA member base stood at 470.
Today, it stands at 700.
I don't know if tripling the member base in under two years is enlarging it to 'any gigantic extent' but that's your phrase, Hardin, not what Jade said. I do think to deny that is significant growth by anyone's standards would be a bit... well, odd. We both know what one of the major reasons for that growth rate is. I will say right away that I don't at all think that change was a 'slip' in CVA standards. (Not least because I have a higher regard for the first beneficiary of it than I honestly have for some who were always eligible for membership.) Yet, again, to deny that there was a change is... plain foolishness.
Once more, I'm really not interested in this argument that much û and I don't personally seek to make any points based on that growth rate û but when Jade is on solid factual ground on a point, you have no real call to say she is a liar on that point. In fact, it's a bit shabby. Just be in no doubt, we've kept up on CVA growth and accurately so.
The rest, you two can bash on about as it's all perspective anyway. The above, however, is simple, solid fact.
My own opinions on the issues are a little bit different to some aired here, and I suspect I could have a civilised discussion with Garreck on the topic, but it's probably not something worth doing, when all is said and done.
Cosmo
What hardin said was opposing Jade, your using 1 quote out the 2 hardin quoted for his response, missing, what i consider the quote containing the majority of the point he was arguing against.
"is capable of massively outblobbing any likely opposition and when that fails it has friends (like the Goons for example) to call in for extra numbers to erase the option of a conventional fight. "
Was the quote Hardin was arguing against, as well as the partial quote you provided.
Jade stated that CVA relies on numbers to overcome any enemy we would likely face.
Hardins reply clearly shows that out of alliances currently living in 0.0 we are actually 1 of the smaller alliances, how is that using numbers to overcome any enemy?
Jade states that should CVA need more numbers the goons would come to our assistance, while its true some goons did come to assist us against Tri of their own free will (it certainly wasnt a large fleet, likely just a gang they had flying around and decided to tag along with IAC but goons will have to speak on that one as if you believe it or not) goons are still KOS to CVA.
I'm not sure how shooting goons is helping to protect their flanks.
Your free to have you own opinions of course but at the end of the day the evidence does not back you up. -----------------------
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Cephias Caine
Steel Battalion Phalanx Alliance
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Typical bloody Goons and Red's taking internet space ships too seriously. honstly this coalition/BoB **** has gone on long enough you are all as bad as each other. Seeking to abuse others to curry influence and dominate space. It ain't yours boys and one day CCP will shut down EVE and you will be left with exactly what you started with; Nada, bubkiss, nothing. Get over it boys and girls, its a game, just have fun. Bloody stupid posturing as usual. this whole thread is officially a FAIL.
CC Captain/Director Caine
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Hardin
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2008.03.06 00:25:00 -
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Edited by: Hardin on 06/03/2008 00:28:34
Cosmopolite:
Has CVA grown yes it has, but has it grown to the point where its size prevents it from being attacked as Jade implies? I think not!
Originally by: The Cosmopolite ...We both know what one of the major reasons for that growth rate is. I will say right away that I don't at all think that change was a 'slip' in CVA standards. (Not least because I have a higher regard for the first beneficiary of it than I honestly have for some who were always eligible for membership.) Yet, again, to deny that there was a change is... plain foolishness.
Yes, CVA changed its recruitment policy - over 24 months ago : http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=293433. I really cannot believe that you are dragging this up as some evidence of 'changing' CVA standards...
To complain, as Jade seems to be doing, that CVA are emulating 'The Swarm' on the basis of a policy change instituted over two years ago seems desperately close to scraping the barrel. The fact is that all our enemies have always had more open recruitment policies than the CVA and the change instituted at the start of 2006 merely brought us into line with them. Indeed probably not even in line as at least one of the leading CVA corps still maintains a strictly Amarr-only policy.
To imply, as Jade does, that CVA have relaxed recruitment standards simply to play a 'numbers game' is factually incorrect.The CVA has not expanded exponentially since our change in policy two years ago and as other have pointed out we have hardly even kept pace with the general growth in server population. We have grown slowly and steadily reflecting our slow and steady progression in Providence. If we had wanted CVA could have grown gigantically, we have had plenty of people wanting to join after all!
However, as I stated in a previous post corporations wishing to join CVA have to go through a long period 'proving' themsleves through their in game actions and and those standards haven't relaxed at all. Joining CVA is something that takes a long time and requires the joining corp to have an understanding of our history, our code of conduct and our long term roleplay vision - which is probably why we have such a low turnover of member corps!
At the end of the day Jade's post was a cheap blow. I know he has probably been wound up by the various Goon posters but in essence what it came down to was him saying "CVA cannot fight and just blob" which in my view comes across as bitter and more than a little disrespectful. Shabby if you will! Of course I dont really expect anything better from Jade these days
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.03.06 00:36:00 -
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Originally by: Hardin Edited by: Hardin on 06/03/2008 00:26:11
Cosmopolite:
Has CVA grown yes it has, but has it grown to the point where its size prevents it from being attacked as Jade implies? I think not!
Originally by: The Cosmopolite ...We both know what one of the major reasons for that growth rate is. I will say right away that I don't at all think that change was a 'slip' in CVA standards. (Not least because I have a higher regard for the first beneficiary of it than I honestly have for some who were always eligible for membership.) Yet, again, to deny that there was a change is... plain foolishness.
Yes, CVA changed its recruitment policy - over 24 months ago : http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=293433. I really cannot believe that you are dragging this up as some evidence of falling CVA standards...
Hardin, you have quoted me saying that I don't consider it evidence of falling CVA standards. So... well, it's lucky for us both that you cannot believe I am dragging it up as evidence of falling CVA standards. Because I don't think it shows that and I've said I don't think it. It's all in that quote you helpfully referenced.
To you and Reash, I purposely have only addressed one bit of your post because that's all I particularly wanted to talk about: the factual bit which Jade, whatever conclusions she may have wished to later draw from it, was quite right about. I wasn't at all trying to misquote you or cover up some other bit of your argument. It's all there up the page and other people can get down with it, if they wish. I don't.
I simply wanted to point out that it's not a lie to say that the CVA has significantly enlarged its member base and Jade can't be accused of distorting the facts on that point.
You argue with Jade to your heart's content on the other points, Hardin. As I've indicated, my personal views as a player may very well not be quite the same as Jade's. (Shocking, I know, for people to hear that we don't all bow at Jade's altar in SF but it is true.)
Cosmo
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Spoon Thumb
Caldari Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.06 00:47:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
I like pvp excellence, I love people with the courage and confidence to fight duels, I love dangerous corporations with small unit tactics skills, I like innovation, I like colour and diversity, I like learning something new each time the Fraction goes a-raiding and I love the mystique and atmosphere of the game of eve online.
Originally by: Jade Constantine
CVA has taken the same choices the swarm has taken, enlarged its member base, used 0.0 mechanics to make a defensive network virtually proof against attack, is capable of massively outblobbing any likely opposition and when that fails it has friends (like the Goons for example) to call in for extra numbers to erase the option of a conventional fight.
So we have different play styles
Originally by: Jade Constantine
You see, IÆm roleplaying a character who doesnÆt respect any opponent without the courage to fight single combats and leave their home ground and actually commit to difficult warfare against cunning and elusive foes wherever they might be found.
Running an organisation of several hundred or thousand people is far harder than nano-cloaking. But you don't respect the play style of others. So don't be surprised by the responses here.
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Equinox Daedalus
Caldari The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.06 01:32:00 -
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Spoon stay civil plz. No need to sink to name calling and cloak waving.
Cva's Growth is mostly in reposnse to the increased areas it has to maintain. Thats really the simple matter to it. No UK, Imperal Order, or anyone else in northern prov meant that more CVA ppl are needed to maintain systems areas for Prov.
Goons are goons. I don't haveta defend or speak for them they I'm sure do it quite well themselves.
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Value Added
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.06 01:35:00 -
[242]
CVA, you shouldn't feel compelled to defend yourselves against a self-important blowhard who wrote a 10-page dissertation on stealth bombers.
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Dashboard
Hard Rock Cafe
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Posted - 2008.03.06 02:26:00 -
[243]
The second chatlog is priceless. You've got a pompous fool, a powerless flunky, and a total *******. No-one comes off well here!
thanks for posting.
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Montague Zooma
Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.06 02:28:00 -
[244]
Originally by: Equinox Daedalus Cva's Growth is mostly in reposnse to the increased areas it has to maintain.
I'd say our growth is due more to our playstyle, not because we wanted more bodies to fill up Providence. Healthy, successful organizations tend to grow, while others stagnate or die off.
CVA has shown a consistent pattern of slow, stable growth over the years.
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Hardin
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.06 08:08:00 -
[245]
Edited by: Hardin on 06/03/2008 08:09:18
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Hardin, you have quoted me saying that I don't consider it evidence of falling CVA standards. So... well, it's lucky for us both that you cannot believe I am dragging it up as evidence of falling CVA standards. Because I don't think it shows that and I've said I don't think it. It's all in that quote you helpfully referenced.
You are right - which is why I had already edited the 'fallen' to 'changed' before you even posted your reply. I saw it was wrong after I had reread my post and corrected it.
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
You argue with Jade to your heart's content on the other points, Hardin. As I've indicated, my personal views as a player may very well not be quite the same as Jade's. (Shocking, I know, for people to hear that we don't all bow at Jade's altar in SF but it is true.)
Cosmo
I know that also Cosmo, which is why until this point I have not mentioned Star Fraction at all in this thread...
As I have said on many other occasions I do actually admire and respect the qualities and capabilities of the majority of Star Fraction pilots.
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WowZilla
The Leeroy Jenkins Project
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Posted - 2008.03.06 09:05:00 -
[246]
Why the wall of text posts?
It takes greater skill and intelligence to make a point in a 100 words than it does to make the same point in a 1000 words. I was tempted to write TL;DR on some recent rambling reports I got issued to me at work.
Jade - Please provide an executive summary for your issues and you may get a better response. Some of us are busy bees y'know!
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Baxalusx
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.06 09:21:00 -
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The reason people without numbers ***** about people with numbers is that they aren't good or charismatic enough leaders to gather and maintain that many people as a cohesive entity. ---------
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Berrik Radhok
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.06 09:24:00 -
[248]
cva why do you pay attention to jade constantine in any way shape or form
I thought everyone had him added to their caod blocker
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Locke Deathroe
Clan 86 Antesignani Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.06 10:31:00 -
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The thing I find most interesting after reading the "interview" about Goons actions in empire is that they are doing this to promote people into moving to 0.0. I about died laughing at this comment. You see ATA had found a quiet spot in Detorid, NOT ONE TOWER IN THE WHOLE 6 SYSTEM constellation. We are blue to Goon, RA, TCF, UNL... so we dropped towers. Not that week, not the next...but TWO mths into getting sov 3 and having a good time out in 0.0 chasing ISK farmers and reds.... Goon comes along and tells us to leave to face obliteration. So tell me Goon, how in the hell is it you want to get people into 0.0?? Oh wait is it so you can extort ISK from them? Let them spend thier ISK to build a station then YOU come along and take it? Please elaborate on how your actions in empire are a "helpful way to get people into 0.0"
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Nekumi
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.06 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Locke Deathroe The thing I find most interesting after reading the "interview" about Goons actions in empire is that they are doing this to promote people into moving to 0.0. I about died laughing at this comment. You see ATA had found a quiet spot in Detorid, NOT ONE TOWER IN THE WHOLE 6 SYSTEM constellation. We are blue to Goon, RA, TCF, UNL... so we dropped towers. Not that week, not the next...but TWO mths into getting sov 3 and having a good time out in 0.0 chasing ISK farmers and reds.... Goon comes along and tells us to leave to face obliteration. So tell me Goon, how in the hell is it you want to get people into 0.0?? Oh wait is it so you can extort ISK from them? Let them spend thier ISK to build a station then YOU come along and take it? Please elaborate on how your actions in empire are a "helpful way to get people into 0.0"
How can anyone be this naive? Blue standings doesn't equal squatting rights.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.03.06 11:38:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 06/03/2008 11:40:06 (bah ninja'ed)
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.03.06 11:38:00 -
[252]
Edited by: marakor on 06/03/2008 11:39:14
Originally by: Nekumi
Originally by: Locke Deathroe The thing I find most interesting after reading the "interview" about Goons actions in empire is that they are doing this to promote people into moving to 0.0. I about died laughing at this comment. You see ATA had found a quiet spot in Detorid, NOT ONE TOWER IN THE WHOLE 6 SYSTEM constellation. We are blue to Goon, RA, TCF, UNL... so we dropped towers. Not that week, not the next...but TWO mths into getting sov 3 and having a good time out in 0.0 chasing ISK farmers and reds.... Goon comes along and tells us to leave to face obliteration. So tell me Goon, how in the hell is it you want to get people into 0.0?? Oh wait is it so you can extort ISK from them? Let them spend thier ISK to build a station then YOU come along and take it? Please elaborate on how your actions in empire are a "helpful way to get people into 0.0"
How can anyone be this naive? Blue standings doesn't equal squatting rights.
Yea what were you thinking ffs it was BOB who had pets in their space, ragoon require and insist on slaves.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.03.06 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: Baxalusx The reason people without numbers ***** about people with numbers is that they aren't good or charismatic enough leaders to gather and maintain that many people as a cohesive entity.
I do understand why you produce a statement like that Baxalusx. You are after all, the product of a crusading external mono culture with an agenda to erase all competing ideology and values in your target ecosystem after all.
What you mean of course, is that to "the goon" the sole element of "leadership" that is acknowledged is the assembly of numbers of drones to be directed at a common target.
I will grant you that great sacrifices are made by famous goon leaders in their time and focus (well kinda) since it cannot be easy living within the prime culture of the swarm 24/7, but while it is certainly one form of "leadership" it is not "all forms" of leadership and only a zealous day-one nihilistic ideology could possibly see it thus.
But it is important for YOU to keep spieling this memetic wisdom dear Baxalusx. For many reasons actually, since as a dramatically loyalist member of the swarm you have quite the investment of pride and personal prestige invested in proving that you were right to submit your personal authority and freedom to the "leadership" of other stronger men.
I see such an evidently vital quest for self-justification on this matter proof positive that while the Swarm has been successful (massively so) in recruiting raw drones for the slaughter, it has not yet achieved the complete miracle of mass castration of the personal consciousness of its member base and as such chaps like you still feel a little tingling itch of "damaged pride" when people like me point out that existing in the scantily-shadowed reflected glory of a 4000 man organization is not after all, much of an accomplishment for a posthuman starship captain with immortality and the wealth of the stars at your beck and call. There is a reason that fanatical devotees of a mass-movement herd-mentality-inspired pyramid scheme come to resent and loathe that representatives of free unbowed humanity point out how inimical that demeaning collectivist process truly is on public forums. It reminds people like you of what you've lost somewhere along the way dear Baxalusx. Maybe it didn't feel much at the time? Just a little free-will, just a touch of individual accomplishment, a smidgen of fame, a touch of potential, a little cut here and there and sooner than you know it you were a fully paid up little swarmster with a uniform and pocket-book full of somebody else's witticisms and a healthy disdain for anybody and anything that didn't look just like you in the mirror of your soul. I sympathize I really do, it can't be easy to give up everything in the pursuit of somebody else's twisted conception of glory and discover after months of shaving your head and posting perfect catechisms and meme-jokes that your mass-movement isn't really the all-powerful crusading doom of all that stands against it that the SA recruiting ads painted it was going to.
A little humiliating to march lockstep in ranks with the other little drones on CAOD only to discover that rather than terrifying a cringing subject population, you most often find yourselves heckled by free-thinkers, laughed at by children, and generally despised by anyone who has actually seen combat in the great battlefields of the eve star cluster. There are no great victory parades and public spectacles and arches of triumph for you Baxalusx. There are no accolades but those you afford yourself, no kind words but those dictated in your goon-phrase book, no real satisfaction or accomplishment and that is the real flaw in your heart. Its hard I know, and where does it leave us? Me laughing at the faux-conquering ranks of goon drones marching endlessly in circles on their way from one failure to another? You declaring how irrelevant my individualism truly is. But can we effect each other?
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.03.06 11:44:00 -
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That really is the question isnÆt it Baxalusx?
I mean, I strongly suspect I (and all like me) are ôbeneath the noticeö of the Swarm since we donÆt play the POS spam/settlement/indestructible outpost game in 0.0 space. That of course means weÆll never lose a system full of POS due to you crashing a node or loading up bookmarks in shuttles or attacking with 10,000 starter frigates. All weÆll ever do is fly around in warships avoiding the lagfests and preying on your civilians and weaker members and shooting them in the head when we get the chance while fading away and hiding from any organized army many times our number.
Must be frustrating right? And a real nightmare to fight of course since if you actually wanted to ôfiscally annihilateö us youÆd have to learn how to fight properly and construct decent skirmish gangs, learn to track targets, develop some decent empire reach, use wardecs, suppression, dirty tricks, basically û fight a war quite differently from the spoonfed roll into a system, lag the whole place and replace some dead pos with your own and wave a flag before declaring ôvictoryö pattern you are accustomed too.
Or you could pretend that we ôdonÆt matterö that the war has already been ôwonö against such marginal threats and incidental hostiles. Maybe you should ignore all such posts on CAOD because they come from an ôirrelevantö source? (Admittedly ôignoringö doesnÆt have the same ring to it as ôround up all the anarchists and free-thinkers and intellectuals and performance artists and execute them tomorrow morningö and I can see how the chief goon passing the orders back through the ranks for a mass ôturn the other cheekö from the laughing crowd is going to lack a certain element of ... well gravitas really, but those are the breaks.)
So where does that leave us? Now I could be wrong (itÆs possible) but running the numbers and a very quick analysis shows that while itÆs true, my organisation (and likely another 20 like it) couldnÆt possibly threaten your towers and 0.0 dominion, neither could you with your huge numerical advantage (summoned by the lauded goon charismatic leadership and SA levies) actually achieve anything against us.
Damn, thatÆs something of a stalemate then, means that while militarily weÆre irrelevant to you its just the same in reverse. Military confrontation then isnÆt really the battleground of use to us here. I wonder if your vaunted ômass-subscription charismatic leadershipö can achieve anything where direct numerical confrontation doesnÆt decide the issue? You know, in something like a conflict of ideas, of dreams, of ideals, of ambitions, you know û all the finer things of life?
IÆll leave you a while to ponder this Baxalusx (and IÆve finished my morning coffee now in any case), but makes you think, no? Perhaps the great confrontation of our time is not going to be in space since the massively asymmetrical nature of the confrontation makes decisive engagement impossible. Perhaps it is about ideas and debate, about rhetoric and persuasion, about imagination and intellect and sparkling prose? Maybe the true test of your ôgreat charismatic mass movement leadershipö is not in assembling vast node-crashing fleets but in vanquishing ideological challenges to the goon mono culture in visceral verbal combat in the sphere of public opinion.
Terrifying of course for a ôleaderö accustomed only in persuading obedience from brain-wired-from-birth goon legions to engage a wider audience of individuals and free thinkers, but honestly, maybe thatÆs what it takes to stop the crowds throwing rotten fruit and laughing uproariously every time the goons come to town?
Just a thought for you to begin your day old chap, enjoy.
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Nekumi
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.06 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: marakor Yea what were you thinking ffs it was BOB who had pets in their space, ragoon require and insist on slaves.
Pretty much.
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Nekumi
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.06 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine That of course means weÆll never lose a system full of POS due to you crashing a node or loading up bookmarks in shuttles or attacking with 10,000 starter frigates.
Utterly pathetic.
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Desiderata Fabian
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.06 12:03:00 -
[257]
I pompous blowhard rolling in a sea of smug superiority telling everyone who cares to listen that he is a free-thinker and that anyone else acting differently is merely a drone.
Are you sure this isn't a libertarian thread in D&D?
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Papa Ina
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.06 12:05:00 -
[258]
And people wonder why we think roleplayers are out of touch.
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Caer Isen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.06 12:37:00 -
[259]
Jade are you seriously trying to market yourself as a free thinker by behaving like a bigot and a dumbass on the forums? Have you considered that the diarrhea of words you self-aggrandizingly describe as "sparkling poetry" might be part of the reason your alliance has been a non-entity in 0.0 politics for years?
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Zyz'yx
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.06 13:02:00 -
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Jade constantine posts need to come with a tl;dr version. All of them.
Anyway, CVA are chill.
In regards to the OP, he is only the leader of the respective largest alliance and corporations in the game. Why bother knowing who he is amirite?
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The Mittani
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.06 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Baxalusx The reason people without numbers ***** about people with numbers is that they aren't good or charismatic enough leaders to gather and maintain that many people as a cohesive entity.
I do understand why you produce a statement like that Baxalusx. You are after all, the product of a crusading external mono culture with an agenda to erase all competing ideology and values in your target ecosystem after all.
What you mean of course, is that to "the goon" the sole element of "leadership" that is acknowledged is the assembly of numbers of drones to be directed at a common target.
I will grant you that great sacrifices are made by famous goon leaders in their time and focus (well kinda) since it cannot be easy living within the prime culture of the swarm 24/7, but while it is certainly one form of "leadership" it is not "all forms" of leadership and only a zealous day-one nihilistic ideology could possibly see it thus.
But it is important for YOU to keep spieling this memetic wisdom dear Baxalusx. For many reasons actually, since as a dramatically loyalist member of the swarm you have quite the investment of pride and personal prestige invested in proving that you were right to submit your personal authority and freedom to the "leadership" of other stronger men.
I see such an evidently vital quest for self-justification on this matter proof positive that while the Swarm has been successful (massively so) in recruiting raw drones for the slaughter, it has not yet achieved the complete miracle of mass castration of the personal consciousness of its member base and as such chaps like you still feel a little tingling itch of "damaged pride" when people like me point out that existing in the scantily-shadowed reflected glory of a 4000 man organization is not after all, much of an accomplishment for a posthuman starship captain with immortality and the wealth of the stars at your beck and call. There is a reason that fanatical devotees of a mass-movement herd-mentality-inspired pyramid scheme come to resent and loathe that representatives of free unbowed humanity point out how inimical that demeaning collectivist process truly is on public forums. It reminds people like you of what you've lost somewhere along the way dear Baxalusx. Maybe it didn't feel much at the time? Just a little free-will, just a touch of individual accomplishment, a smidgen of fame, a touch of potential, a little cut here and there and sooner than you know it you were a fully paid up little swarmster with a uniform and pocket-book full of somebody else's witticisms and a healthy disdain for anybody and anything that didn't look just like you in the mirror of your soul. I sympathize I really do, it can't be easy to give up everything in the pursuit of somebody else's twisted conception of glory and discover after months of shaving your head and posting perfect catechisms and meme-jokes that your mass-movement isn't really the all-powerful crusading doom of all that stands against it that the SA recruiting ads painted it was going to.
A little humiliating to march lockstep in ranks with the other little drones on CAOD only to discover that rather than terrifying a cringing subject population, you most often find yourselves heckled by free-thinkers, laughed at by children, and generally despised by anyone who has actually seen combat in the great battlefields of the eve star cluster. There are no great victory parades and public spectacles and arches of triumph for you Baxalusx. There are no accolades but those you afford yourself, no kind words but those dictated in your goon-phrase book, no real satisfaction or accomplishment and that is the real flaw in your heart.
you replied to a single sentence with two full posts and yet you seem to think this is a more effective method of communication than a solid oneliner
brevity, soul of wit, etc.
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Hegemon Rast
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2008.03.06 13:41:00 -
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As much as, long ago I didnt like Jade and probably still do not, and as there is admittedly some smart reply to anything as is demonstrated hundreds of times every day by the Goon post it squad, it still must be said that bottom line is he or she is right. Goons do not stand for being good at anything. If the goal of Goons was to win by being better at anything be it combat logistics tactics ... this could be respected in some way. What is interesting is the Russians with probably alot of experiance at collectivism or communism are individuals and the goons (mostly americans) with some experiance in individualism are collectivists, makes you wonder what happend to US culture these past few decades, almost Roman empiric decay. Though I hope eve survives this it is really a shame.
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Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation Abyss Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.06 13:48:00 -
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Same old Jade, same old windbag.
If attention grew on trees, Jade would be a Fujita 5 Twister sucking all those trees up.
Hardin would be Bill Paxton (congrats), and CVA would be the Van Halen "Ride the Wind" soundtrack.
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Desiderata Fabian
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.06 14:12:00 -
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Collective action, in an MMO? This is a shocking insight, what next!
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Popperr
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.06 14:37:00 -
[265]
I'd like to congratulate Jade on that masterful summary of why posting on caod is more important than playing eve.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.03.06 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: The Mittani
you replied to a single sentence with two full posts and yet you seem to think this is a more effective method of communication than a solid oneliner, brevity, soul of wit, etc.
Yes Mittani, yes I did, and I imagine that means I'd make a damned poor goon I suspect. What a shame but I believe the disappointment will pass in time.
The "one-liner" / meme-joke / perl letter script / throwaway pop-culture-theft-mechanics endlessly propagated down the goon hierarchy from the leaders to the drones and practiced as mono-cultural "passports" to goon e-respect and virtual esteem really have no compelling attraction to me beyond pure anthropomorphic curiosity Mittani. I'm sure you can understand that dear chap, but thank you for quoting the whole of my posts so reliably, it really does make me feel very special.
For the rest however, allow me to explain:
The TL:DR meme is something I consider as a hostile thought-virus resident as a parasite in the goon body politic and I take great pleasure flying in the face of your conventional "wisdom" on these matters. You chaps bring your memes and faux witticisms as the ancient conquistadors brought ailments and plague to isolated civilizations to kill them as surely as their swords and guns. (And all the while you hand out glittering but worthless trinkets of "e-praise" and "madprops" to those natives that greet you with welcome arms and happy animal faces even as they dig their own graves in witless mimicry of invader fashions)
"TL:DR" is the most common of trinkets - thoughtlessly repeated by those hoping to get "in" with the perceived "in crowd" and yet a fully obvious element in the process of cross-cultural suicide in all its gory slasher slow motion action. To accept the TL:DR trinket is to lobotomize yourself so you can better "fit in" to a dumbed down society lacking in wit and attention-span itself. Its fascinating to see which characters realize the dangers of this contamination in time to arrest its spread and which simply surrender to the inevitability of mono-cultural assimilation.
I trust that makes my thoughts clear on the matter
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.06 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
"TL:DR" is the most common of trinkets - thoughtlessly repeated by those hoping to get "in" with the perceived "in crowd"
Not to put too fine a point on it, but running around in cloaking nanoships and claiming small-gang combat excellence and innovation could be interpreted much the same way.
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Nekumi
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.06 15:30:00 -
[268]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: The Mittani
you replied to a single sentence with two full posts and yet you seem to think this is a more effective method of communication than a solid oneliner, brevity, soul of wit, etc.
Yes Mittani, yes I did, and I imagine that means I'd make a damned poor goon I suspect. What a shame but I believe the disappointment will pass in time.
The "one-liner" / meme-joke / perl letter script / throwaway pop-culture-theft-mechanics endlessly propagated down the goon hierarchy from the leaders to the drones and practiced as mono-cultural "passports" to goon e-respect and virtual esteem really have no compelling attraction to me beyond pure anthropomorphic curiosity Mittani. I'm sure you can understand that dear chap, but thank you for quoting the whole of my posts so reliably, it really does make me feel very special.
For the rest however, allow me to explain:
The TL:DR meme is something I consider as a hostile thought-virus resident as a parasite in the goon body politic and I take great pleasure flying in the face of your conventional "wisdom" on these matters. You chaps bring your memes and faux witticisms as the ancient conquistadors brought ailments and plague to isolated civilizations to kill them as surely as their swords and guns. (And all the while you hand out glittering but worthless trinkets of "e-praise" and "madprops" to those natives that greet you with welcome arms and happy animal faces even as they dig their own graves in witless mimicry of invader fashions)
"TL:DR" is the most common of trinkets - thoughtlessly repeated by those hoping to get "in" with the perceived "in crowd" and yet a fully obvious element in the process of cross-cultural suicide in all its gory slasher slow motion action. To accept the TL:DR trinket is to lobotomize yourself so you can better "fit in" to a dumbed down society lacking in wit and attention-span itself. Its fascinating to see which characters realize the dangers of this contamination in time to arrest its spread and which simply surrender to the inevitability of mono-cultural assimilation.
I trust that makes my thoughts clear on the matter
tl;dr
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Desiderata Fabian
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.06 15:37:00 -
[269]
Oh god. I don't think Jade is being ironic.
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Reem Fairchild
Minmatar Military Industrial Research
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Posted - 2008.03.06 15:40:00 -
[270]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: The Mittani
you replied to a single sentence with two full posts and yet you seem to think this is a more effective method of communication than a solid oneliner, brevity, soul of wit, etc.
Yes Mittani, yes I did, and I imagine that means I'd make a damned poor goon I suspect. What a shame but I believe the disappointment will pass in time.
The "one-liner" / meme-joke / perl letter script / throwaway pop-culture-theft-mechanics endlessly propagated down the goon hierarchy from the leaders to the drones and practiced as mono-cultural "passports" to goon e-respect and virtual esteem really have no compelling attraction to me beyond pure anthropomorphic curiosity Mittani. I'm sure you can understand that dear chap, but thank you for quoting the whole of my posts so reliably, it really does make me feel very special.
For the rest however, allow me to explain:
The TL:DR meme is something I consider as a hostile thought-virus resident as a parasite in the goon body politic and I take great pleasure flying in the face of your conventional "wisdom" on these matters. You chaps bring your memes and faux witticisms as the ancient conquistadors brought ailments and plague to isolated civilizations to kill them as surely as their swords and guns. (And all the while you hand out glittering but worthless trinkets of "e-praise" and "madprops" to those natives that greet you with welcome arms and happy animal faces even as they dig their own graves in witless mimicry of invader fashions)
"TL:DR" is the most common of trinkets - thoughtlessly repeated by those hoping to get "in" with the perceived "in crowd" and yet a fully obvious element in the process of cross-cultural suicide in all its gory slasher slow motion action. To accept the TL:DR trinket is to lobotomize yourself so you can better "fit in" to a dumbed down society lacking in wit and attention-span itself. Its fascinating to see which characters realize the dangers of this contamination in time to arrest its spread and which simply surrender to the inevitability of mono-cultural assimilation.
I trust that makes my thoughts clear on the matter
In the immortal words of Dr. Perry Cox:
"Too much talking, too much talking, too much talking, too much talking, too much... talking."
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Taurequis
Waylander 01
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Posted - 2008.03.06 15:59:00 -
[271]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: The Mittani
you replied to a single sentence with two full posts and yet you seem to think this is a more effective method of communication than a solid oneliner, brevity, soul of wit, etc.
Yes Mittani, yes I did, and I imagine that means I'd make a damned poor goon I suspect. What a shame but I believe the disappointment will pass in time.
The "one-liner" / meme-joke / perl letter script / throwaway pop-culture-theft-mechanics endlessly propagated down the goon hierarchy from the leaders to the drones and practiced as mono-cultural "passports" to goon e-respect and virtual esteem really have no compelling attraction to me beyond pure anthropomorphic curiosity Mittani. I'm sure you can understand that dear chap, but thank you for quoting the whole of my posts so reliably, it really does make me feel very special.
For the rest however, allow me to explain:
The TL:DR meme is something I consider as a hostile thought-virus resident as a parasite in the goon body politic and I take great pleasure flying in the face of your conventional "wisdom" on these matters. You chaps bring your memes and faux witticisms as the ancient conquistadors brought ailments and plague to isolated civilizations to kill them as surely as their swords and guns. (And all the while you hand out glittering but worthless trinkets of "e-praise" and "madprops" to those natives that greet you with welcome arms and happy animal faces even as they dig their own graves in witless mimicry of invader fashions)
"TL:DR" is the most common of trinkets - thoughtlessly repeated by those hoping to get "in" with the perceived "in crowd" and yet a fully obvious element in the process of cross-cultural suicide in all its gory slasher slow motion action. To accept the TL:DR trinket is to lobotomize yourself so you can better "fit in" to a dumbed down society lacking in wit and attention-span itself. Its fascinating to see which characters realize the dangers of this contamination in time to arrest its spread and which simply surrender to the inevitability of mono-cultural assimilation.
I trust that makes my thoughts clear on the matter
Brilliant.
More pls,
Taurequis
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Locke Deathroe
Clan 86 Antesignani Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.06 17:08:00 -
[272]
Originally by: marakor Edited by: marakor on 06/03/2008 11:39:14
Originally by: Nekumi
Originally by: Locke Deathroe The thing I find most interesting after reading the "interview" about Goons actions in empire is that they are doing this to promote people into moving to 0.0. I about died laughing at this comment. You see ATA had found a quiet spot in Detorid, NOT ONE TOWER IN THE WHOLE 6 SYSTEM constellation. We are blue to Goon, RA, TCF, UNL... so we dropped towers. Not that week, not the next...but TWO mths into getting sov 3 and having a good time out in 0.0 chasing ISK farmers and reds.... Goon comes along and tells us to leave to face obliteration. So tell me Goon, how in the hell is it you want to get people into 0.0?? Oh wait is it so you can extort ISK from them? Let them spend thier ISK to build a station then YOU come along and take it? Please elaborate on how your actions in empire are a "helpful way to get people into 0.0"
How can anyone be this naive? Blue standings doesn't equal squatting rights.
Yea what were you thinking ffs it was BOB who had pets in their space, ragoon require and insist on slaves.
DOH! Thats a grand point and I guess one I failed to think about. I guess I should have clicked my heals together and saluted.
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Nekumi
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.06 17:16:00 -
[273]
Originally by: Locke Deathroe DOH! Thats a grand point and I guess one I failed to think about. I guess I should have clicked my heals together and saluted.
He said slaves not soldiers. Which part about blues don't just get the right to dump POS where ever they like without even asking? I know people think goons are stupid and all but do you really think that is a good model for cooperation on any level? The fact that you don't even respect an ally enough to talk to them about dropping sov claiming POS in a part of space they fought like hell to claim is a pretty good indictment of your hubris and lack of character.
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Bruce Ironstaunch
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.06 18:49:00 -
[274]
Originally by: Jade Constantine That really is the question isnÆt it Baxalusx?
I mean, I strongly suspect I (and all like me) are ôbeneath the noticeö of the Swarm since we donÆt play the POS spam/settlement/indestructible outpost game in 0.0 space. That of course means weÆll never lose a system full of POS due to you crashing a node or loading up bookmarks in shuttles or attacking with 10,000 starter frigates. All weÆll ever do is fly around in warships avoiding the lagfests and preying on your civilians and weaker members and shooting them in the head when we get the chance while fading away and hiding from any organized army many times our number.
Must be frustrating right? And a real nightmare to fight of course since if you actually wanted to ôfiscally annihilateö us youÆd have to learn how to fight properly and construct decent skirmish gangs, learn to track targets, develop some decent empire reach, use wardecs, suppression, dirty tricks, basically û fight a war quite differently from the spoonfed roll into a system, lag the whole place and replace some dead pos with your own and wave a flag before declaring ôvictoryö pattern you are accustomed too.
Or you could pretend that we ôdonÆt matterö that the war has already been ôwonö against such marginal threats and incidental hostiles. Maybe you should ignore all such posts on CAOD because they come from an ôirrelevantö source? (Admittedly ôignoringö doesnÆt have the same ring to it as ôround up all the anarchists and free-thinkers and intellectuals and performance artists and execute them tomorrow morningö and I can see how the chief goon passing the orders back through the ranks for a mass ôturn the other cheekö from the laughing crowd is going to lack a certain element of ... well gravitas really, but those are the breaks.)
So where does that leave us? Now I could be wrong (itÆs possible) but running the numbers and a very quick analysis shows that while itÆs true, my organisation (and likely another 20 like it) couldnÆt possibly threaten your towers and 0.0 dominion, neither could you with your huge numerical advantage (summoned by the lauded goon charismatic leadership and SA levies) actually achieve anything against us.
Damn, thatÆs something of a stalemate then, means that while militarily weÆre irrelevant to you its just the same in reverse. Military confrontation then isnÆt really the battleground of use to us here. I wonder if your vaunted ômass-subscription charismatic leadershipö can achieve anything where direct numerical confrontation doesnÆt decide the issue? You know, in something like a conflict of ideas, of dreams, of ideals, of ambitions, you know û all the finer things of life?
IÆll leave you a while to ponder this Baxalusx (and IÆve finished my morning coffee now in any case), but makes you think, no? Perhaps the great confrontation of our time is not going to be in space since the massively asymmetrical nature of the confrontation makes decisive engagement impossible. Perhaps it is about ideas and debate, about rhetoric and persuasion, about imagination and intellect and sparkling prose? Maybe the true test of your ôgreat charismatic mass movement leadershipö is not in assembling vast node-crashing fleets but in vanquishing ideological challenges to the goon mono culture in visceral verbal combat in the sphere of public opinion.
Terrifying of course for a ôleaderö accustomed only in persuading obedience from brain-wired-from-birth goon legions to engage a wider audience of individuals and free thinkers, but honestly, maybe thatÆs what it takes to stop the crowds throwing rotten fruit and laughing uproariously every time the goons come to town?
Just a thought for you to begin your day old chap, enjoy.
furthemore
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Marko Zhang
Destructive Flatulence
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Posted - 2008.03.06 19:06:00 -
[275]
i'd like to take this opportunity to endorse fartbubbles for ceo
--- THE WOUNDED TIGER IS DE TIGER BEFORE IT IS WOUNDED
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Kyrie Elaison
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.03.06 19:48:00 -
[276]
Dear Jade Constantine,
In virtually every post you make about us, you comment about our lack of originality. I've noticed that you have difficulties in this area yourself, so I have a couple of suggestions.
1. Stop writing like a stereotypical roleplayer. I've never understood why it's common for rpers to make every statement a soliloquy. You take this common trait to a higher level and beat it to death. My suggestion? Be original, try something new instead of following the herd.
2. You love to claim that we're a bunch of meme-spouting morons (and it's quite ironic how accusing your opponents of such a thing has become a meme in itself), yet you're hopelessly addicted to shouting that we use bookmark bombs, crash nodes, t1 frig nubs, etc. Again, this is unoriginal. You'd think you could find something more interesting than the tired old saws.
3. Quit whining about the "level of discourse" on COAD. COAD is exactly like any real-world summit event except that it's a bit coarser and occasionally funny. COAD is another part of the power game. You can accept that and adapt or you can whine, as you do, and look foolish. Hell, whining about COAD definitely isn't original. Scrapheap has a cult of "not being COAD" which usually translates into passive-aggressive flaming as opposed to open flaming, but that's a bit irrelevant. Remind me how you're oh so original when you do the same things as a website whose unofficial motto is "We're not COAD!"?
Wow, this is long. Buttes, donges, etc. Get a new routine because you're a laughingstock.
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candidx
Caldari Core Complexion Applied Technology
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Posted - 2008.03.06 23:06:00 -
[277]
Originally by: Hardin ...Goons (as one of EVE's most powerful 0.0 entities)
lul, lets see how they fare on their own 4(?) wings, i imagine windscreen faceplant
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Orangir
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.06 23:24:00 -
[278]
Originally by: candidx lul, lets see how they fare on their own 4(?) wings, i imagine windscreen faceplant
yeah we'd probably suck without our allies
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Reem Fairchild
Minmatar Military Industrial Research
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Posted - 2008.03.06 23:26:00 -
[279]
Originally by: candidx
Originally by: Hardin ...Goons (as one of EVE's most powerful 0.0 entities)
lul, lets see how they fare on their own 4(?) wings, i imagine windscreen faceplant
It's great having good friends. You should try it.
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candidx
Caldari Core Complexion Applied Technology
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Posted - 2008.03.06 23:38:00 -
[280]
Originally by: Reem Fairchild
Originally by: candidx
Originally by: Hardin ...Goons (as one of EVE's most powerful 0.0 entities)
lul, lets see how they fare on their own 4(?) wings, i imagine windscreen faceplant
It's great having good friends. You should try it.
yes
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Spoon Thumb
Caldari Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.06 23:38:00 -
[281]
You too can be Jade Constantine with Postmodern Generator !!
Khaldari khanidpublic: RP channel for Kingdom loyalists
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candidx
Caldari Core Complexion Applied Technology
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Posted - 2008.03.06 23:38:00 -
[282]
Edited by: candidx on 06/03/2008 23:38:57
Originally by: Orangir
Originally by: candidx lul, lets see how they fare on their own 4(?) wings, i imagine windscreen faceplant
yeah we'd probably suck without our allies
yes
edit: oh wait, you already do
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Yorda
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.06 23:57:00 -
[283]
Originally by: candidx Edited by: candidx on 06/03/2008 23:38:57
Originally by: Orangir
Originally by: candidx lul, lets see how they fare on their own 4(?) wings, i imagine windscreen faceplant
yeah we'd probably suck without our allies
yes
edit: oh wait, you already do
yes
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Scatim Helicon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.07 00:09:00 -
[284]
Originally by: Desiderata Fabian Oh god. I don't think Jade is being ironic.
Its incredible that Jade can regurgitate the same old clueless 'hurpdurp lagswarm blobsploitz' whining we've seen from every CAOD altcorp nobody for the past 12 months, somehow stretch it out to 6 or 7 redundant paragraphs, and still be regarded as a poster of any note whatsoever.
Good grief, even Marakor and Windypops at least have the decency to keep their trollery down to a couple of sentences at a time.
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Cursive
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.07 00:32:00 -
[285]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: The Mittani
you replied to a single sentence with two full posts and yet you seem to think this is a more effective method of communication than a solid oneliner, brevity, soul of wit, etc.
Yes Mittani, yes I did, and I imagine that means I'd make a damned poor goon I suspect. What a shame but I believe the disappointment will pass in time.
The "one-liner" / meme-joke / perl letter script / throwaway pop-culture-theft-mechanics endlessly propagated down the goon hierarchy from the leaders to the drones and practiced as mono-cultural "passports" to goon e-respect and virtual esteem really have no compelling attraction to me beyond pure anthropomorphic curiosity Mittani. I'm sure you can understand that dear chap, but thank you for quoting the whole of my posts so reliably, it really does make me feel very special.
For the rest however, allow me to explain:
The TL:DR meme is something I consider as a hostile thought-virus resident as a parasite in the goon body politic and I take great pleasure flying in the face of your conventional "wisdom" on these matters. You chaps bring your memes and faux witticisms as the ancient conquistadors brought ailments and plague to isolated civilizations to kill them as surely as their swords and guns. (And all the while you hand out glittering but worthless trinkets of "e-praise" and "madprops" to those natives that greet you with welcome arms and happy animal faces even as they dig their own graves in witless mimicry of invader fashions)
"TL:DR" is the most common of trinkets - thoughtlessly repeated by those hoping to get "in" with the perceived "in crowd" and yet a fully obvious element in the process of cross-cultural suicide in all its gory slasher slow motion action. To accept the TL:DR trinket is to lobotomize yourself so you can better "fit in" to a dumbed down society lacking in wit and attention-span itself. Its fascinating to see which characters realize the dangers of this contamination in time to arrest its spread and which simply surrender to the inevitability of mono-cultural assimilation.
I trust that makes my thoughts clear on the matter
You would make a really poor marketing rep. Lots o' words; little content.
You do realize, though, that people assimilate to stereotypical groups in all aspects of life, be it internet spaceships, jobs, sports, what-have-you... Yet you use this very human and nearly humanly universal characteristic as an insult to the Goons as if the way in which we are stereotyped is in some way more real and more horrible than any other stereotypical group of people or personality types.
The fact is we are all pretty like-minded individuals, be it in what we find humorous, how we want to play internet spaceships and how we want to behave around each other to achieve those desires. We enjoy each other, we enjoy the memes. Sorry you do not, but we are not here to make you and your stereotypical group happy, we are here for ourselves. We happen to have Goon-specific memes and jokes that the a lot of people in the game use as an attempt to insult us, yet without we would just be in some other stereotypical group; perhaps one you find less annoying or insulting, but one none-the-less. You can point out how above us you believe you are because of our very apparent cultural differences, but we really don't care. It isn't insulting to us, it defines us.
All I can say is if you don't have such a cultural bond with the people you play this internet spaceship game with, I'm sorry. Maybe your stereotypical group gets off on making psychological assessments on CAOD, and that's cool. But we LOL at you as you do us, so if you are truly concerned with our culture and really want to make your point the best way to do that is to shove off because all you're doing with your posts is feeding our hunger to use "throwaway pop-culture-theft-mechanics." Lawlz.
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MC McMic
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.07 00:46:00 -
[286]
Originally by: Aodha Khan Edited by: Aodha Khan on 05/03/2008 09:35:48
Baxalusx, your actually roleplaying yourself every time to step into Eve. Roleplaying a large alliance trying to obtain power over virtual space, roleplaying politics, roleplaying spaceship combat.
You are obviously ignorant of the subject matter, so best keep it shut.
I often times make "motorboat-esque" noises while piloting MY INCURSUS. I'm fairly confident this is what my internet spaceship sounds like from within the*****pit, having already trained Engineering to 2! Anyway, it really helps me get into the game and experience it on a whole new level. Is this what you mean by "roleplaying spaceship combat"? If not, how may I improve upon it? tia.
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Tabouli
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.07 00:51:00 -
[287]
Originally by: Jade Constantine Yes Mittani, yes I did, and I imagine that means I'd make a damned poor goon I suspect. What a shame but I believe the disappointment will pass in time.
The "one-liner" / meme-joke / perl letter script / throwaway pop-culture-theft-mechanics endlessly propagated down the goon hierarchy from the leaders to the drones and practiced as mono-cultural "passports" to goon e-respect and virtual esteem really have no compelling attraction to me beyond pure anthropomorphic curiosity Mittani. I'm sure you can understand that dear chap, but thank you for quoting the whole of my posts so reliably, it really does make me feel very special.
For the rest however, allow me to explain:
The TL:DR meme is something I consider as a hostile thought-virus resident as a parasite in the goon body politic and I take great pleasure flying in the face of your conventional "wisdom" on these matters. You chaps bring your memes and faux witticisms as the ancient conquistadors brought ailments and plague to isolated civilizations to kill them as surely as their swords and guns. (And all the while you hand out glittering but worthless trinkets of "e-praise" and "madprops" to those natives that greet you with welcome arms and happy animal faces even as they dig their own graves in witless mimicry of invader fashions)
"TL:DR" is the most common of trinkets - thoughtlessly repeated by those hoping to get "in" with the perceived "in crowd" and yet a fully obvious element in the process of cross-cultural suicide in all its gory slasher slow motion action. To accept the TL:DR trinket is to lobotomize yourself so you can better "fit in" to a dumbed down society lacking in wit and attention-span itself. Its fascinating to see which characters realize the dangers of this contamination in time to arrest its spread and which simply surrender to the inevitability of mono-cultural assimilation.
I trust that makes my thoughts clear on the matter
Because more words obviously automatically becomes some kind of amazing jeu d'esprit and who could argue with so many words? "yes, yes, all these words are excellently placed and in such fashion I cannot disagree!" Go and read the comments for some of VenomFangX's youtube videos; you don't even need a good argument to impress an idiot. Do you prefer people not demean your posts with 'qft' equivalents or do you enjoy the self-gratuity? Yes! Yes! Give me your quotes I say I love them!
I agree, you probably should disregard the old writing golden rule of 'good writing is easy reading' when you need to disguise your worthless vapidity with verbosity.
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Jemmy Bloocher
Starship Direct
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Posted - 2008.03.07 02:17:00 -
[288]
Edited by: Jemmy Bloocher on 07/03/2008 02:21:10
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: The Mittani
you replied to a single sentence with two full posts and yet you seem to think this is a more effective method of communication than a solid oneliner, brevity, soul of wit, etc.
Yes Mittani, yes I did, and I imagine that means I'd make a damned poor goon I suspect. What a shame but I believe the disappointment will pass in time.
The "one-liner" / meme-joke / perl letter script / throwaway pop-culture-theft-mechanics endlessly propagated down the goon hierarchy from the leaders to the drones and practiced as mono-cultural "passports" to goon e-respect and virtual esteem really have no compelling attraction to me beyond pure anthropomorphic curiosity Mittani. I'm sure you can understand that dear chap, but thank you for quoting the whole of my posts so reliably, it really does make me feel very special.
For the rest however, allow me to explain:
The TL:DR meme is something I consider as a hostile thought-virus resident as a parasite in the goon body politic and I take great pleasure flying in the face of your conventional "wisdom" on these matters. You chaps bring your memes and faux witticisms as the ancient conquistadors brought ailments and plague to isolated civilizations to kill them as surely as their swords and guns. (And all the while you hand out glittering but worthless trinkets of "e-praise" and "madprops" to those natives that greet you with welcome arms and happy animal faces even as they dig their own graves in witless mimicry of invader fashions)
"TL:DR" is the most common of trinkets - thoughtlessly repeated by those hoping to get "in" with the perceived "in crowd" and yet a fully obvious element in the process of cross-cultural suicide in all its gory slasher slow motion action. To accept the TL:DR trinket is to lobotomize yourself so you can better "fit in" to a dumbed down society lacking in wit and attention-span itself. Its fascinating to see which characters realize the dangers of this contamination in time to arrest its spread and which simply surrender to the inevitability of mono-cultural assimilation.
I trust that makes my thoughts clear on the matter
There's more wit in one goon who can deploy a catchphrase well than in ten Jade Constantines heaving their lexical vomit all over CAOD.
Or are you just roleplaying a pseudointellectual windbag?
Edit - Oops, seems like you don't recognise the soul of wit even after Mittani has beaten you over the head with it.
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Mike Huckabee
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.03.07 02:36:00 -
[289]
Please try to be concise. All of us have limited time to be alive.
Quote: Vigorous writing is concise. A sentence should contain no unnecessary words, a paragraph no unnecessary sentences, for the same reason that a drawing should have no unnecessary lines and a machine no unnecessary parts.
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Zorlag
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.07 03:56:00 -
[290]
"The "one-liner" / meme-joke / perl letter script / throwaway pop-culture-theft-mechanics endlessly propagated down the goon hierarchy from the leaders to the drones and practiced as mono-cultural "passports" to goon e-respect and virtual esteem"
I wonder which one of these categories the phrase "brevity is the soul of wit" falls into
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Zorland
Minmatar Detinus Republic
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Posted - 2008.03.07 05:40:00 -
[291]
Oh, the Drones....
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Sarwaka Foehammer
The Same 20 Guys
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Posted - 2008.03.07 06:04:00 -
[292]
Originally by: Baxalusx The reason people without numbers ***** about people with numbers is that they aren't good or charismatic enough leaders to gather and maintain that many people as a cohesive entity.
Oh please....
One of the worst types of people in EVE are the Joiners, people who go where the numbers are no matter what.Who chose the statiscally safer option. "Charismatic" leadership? My eye...
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Thomina Yorke
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.07 06:28:00 -
[293]
we built this empire on butts and dongs
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.07 07:02:00 -
[294]
Originally by: Sarwaka Foehammer
Oh please....
One of the worst types of people in EVE are the Joiners, people who go where the numbers are no matter what.Who chose the statiscally safer option.
Statistically safer? You know how many times we get podded? And the worst type of players are the ISK farmers
Originally by: Avaricia look a goon lol
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Dangerously Cheesey
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.07 07:20:00 -
[295]
Originally by: Sarwaka Foehammer
Originally by: Baxalusx The reason people without numbers ***** about people with numbers is that they aren't good or charismatic enough leaders to gather and maintain that many people as a cohesive entity.
Oh please....
One of the worst types of people in EVE are the Joiners, people who go where the numbers are no matter what.Who chose the statiscally safer option. "Charismatic" leadership? My eye...
Ya we only got doomsdayed 4 times in J-L tonight - joining the coalition is definitely the safe way :D
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Tilta
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.07 07:45:00 -
[296]
Dearest Jade, brevity is the soul of wit. What does this say about you?
My honest suggestion to you, if you wish those of us less inclined toward pointless ****ery to collect the general gist of your messages, is to begin preceding your posts with a general outline.
For Example: I. Jade sucks II. a) tl;dr II. b) Emulate this
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Pokcha
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.03.07 07:57:00 -
[297]
if our
Quote: one-liner" / meme-joke / perl letter script / throwaway pop-culture-theft-mechanics
are so bad, then why is almost every venue for discussion of EVE littered with them, written by everyone, not just goons? We planned to infect the rest of EVE with our culture at the 1066 GoonFleetMeet. The drunken battle that ensued would forever be known as Hastings.
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Tilta
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.07 08:06:00 -
[298]
Originally by: Pokcha if our
Quote: one-liner" / meme-joke / perl letter script / throwaway pop-culture-theft-mechanics
are so bad, then why is almost every venue for discussion of EVE littered with them, written by everyone, not just goons? We planned to infect the rest of EVE with our culture at the 1066 GoonFleetMeet. The drunken battle that ensued would forever be known as Hastings.
I just found your quote's source... If you're reading Jade's textual diarrhea, you're doing this wrong. (In response to Zorlag above, I think the troll patrol corrupted Mittani rather than vice versa.)
The reason everyone is emulating is us is the same pathetic and obsequious fawning that filled this forum with paeans to BoB in years gone by.
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Baxalusx
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.07 08:27:00 -
[299]
Originally by: Sarwaka Foehammer Oh please....
One of the worst types of people in EVE are the Joiners, people who go where the numbers are no matter what.Who chose the statiscally safer option. "Charismatic" leadership? My eye...
Nobody cares who you think are the "worst type of people in EVE". Nobody even knows what being the worst type of people in EVE constitutes - worst at what, or in relation to what? Aside from that, calling GS the "statistically safest option" is just a blatant display of stupidity as it should be quite obvious to anyone that GS is not the statistically safest option. ---------
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Brmble
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.07 08:38:00 -
[300]
Originally by: Tilta (In response to Zorlag above, I think the troll patrol corrupted Mittani rather than vice versa.)
but Jade doesn't know that
isn't it awesome how she reveals her ignorance and in so many words?
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General Windypops
Skullduggery Inc
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Posted - 2008.03.07 08:42:00 -
[301]
Originally by: Baxalusx
Originally by: Sarwaka Foehammer Oh please....
One of the worst types of people in EVE are the Joiners, people who go where the numbers are no matter what.Who chose the statiscally safer option. "Charismatic" leadership? My eye...
Nobody cares who you think are the "worst type of people in EVE". Nobody even knows what being the worst type of people in EVE constitutes - worst at what, or in relation to what? Aside from that, calling GS the "statistically safest option" is just a blatant display of stupidity as it should be quite obvious to anyone that GS is not the statistically safest option.
Well, actually quite a few people care. I think his views are spot on, and so do most of the Eve community. In my view, Goons are 'the worst type of people in Eve' for very obvious reasons. They have clearly stated themselves that their aim in Eve is to destroy the game for all non-Goons as much as possible. Hence:
- the threadnoughts - the posts and sigs mocking the deceased - the frequent racist outbursts and ****ographic image posting - the deliberate use of tactics to maximise lag in system, such as lagging out systems with noob ships. - the metagaming and r/l bullying of people from opposing alliances.
So yeah, I'd say that's the worst kid of player in Eve.
~-= Winner of the COAD Buns of Steel award, 2006 and 2007 =-~
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Tilta
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.07 08:43:00 -
[302]
Originally by: Brmble
Originally by: Tilta (In response to Zorlag above, I think the troll patrol corrupted Mittani rather than vice versa.)
but Jade doesn't know that
isn't it awesome how she reveals her ignorance and in so many words?
Couldn't tell you, I don't read posts I suspect of being machine generated. (You can tell by the pixels)
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Baxalusx
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.07 08:49:00 -
[303]
Edited by: Baxalusx on 07/03/2008 08:50:40
Originally by: General Windypops Well, actually quite a few people care. I think his views are spot on, and so do most of the Eve community. In my view, Goons are 'the worst type of people in Eve' for very obvious reasons. They have clearly stated themselves that their aim in Eve is to destroy the game for all non-Goons as much as possible. Hence:
- the threadnoughts - the posts and sigs mocking the deceased - the frequent racist outbursts and ****ographic image posting - the deliberate use of tactics to maximise lag in system, such as lagging out systems with noob ships. - the metagaming and r/l bullying of people from opposing alliances.
So yeah, I'd say that's the worst kid of player in Eve.
What makes you think you can speak for "most of the EVE community"? Sure, you and your four-five space pals don't like goons and maybe some people agree with you, but nobody cares about that any more than the other douche I quoted. We define ourselves through being disliked by idiots, because if people like you hate us, we must be doing something right. ---------
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Thomina Yorke
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.07 09:01:00 -
[304]
Edited by: Thomina Yorke on 07/03/2008 09:00:47
Originally by: General Windypops Well, actually quite a few people care. I think his views are spot on, and so do most of the Eve community. In my view, Goons are 'the worst type of people in Eve' for very obvious reasons. They have clearly stated themselves that their aim in Eve is to destroy the game for all non-Goons as much as possible. Hence:
- the threadnoughts - the posts and sigs mocking the deceased - the frequent racist outbursts and ****ographic image posting - the deliberate use of tactics to maximise lag in system, such as lagging out systems with noob ships. - the metagaming and r/l bullying of people from opposing alliances.
So yeah, I'd say that's the worst kid of player in Eve.
Nice troll, but we were hated long before we did (most of) that stuff. We just sort of ran with the whole pariah complex BoB had imposed on us.
By the way the whole JihadSwarm thing is a clever system we've developed to manipulate Jita and make trillions of ISK. True story.
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.03.07 09:03:00 -
[305]
Edited by: marakor on 07/03/2008 09:05:23
Originally by: General Windypops
Well, actually quite a few people care. I think his views are spot on, and so do most of the Eve community. In my view, Goons are 'the worst type of people in Eve' for very obvious reasons. They have clearly stated themselves that their aim in Eve is to destroy the game for all non-Goons as much as possible. Hence:
- the threadnoughts - the posts and sigs mocking the deceased - the frequent racist outbursts and ****ographic image posting - the deliberate use of tactics to maximize lag in system, such as lagging out systems with noob ships. - the metagaming and r/l bullying of people from opposing alliances.
So yeah, I'd say that's the worst kid of player in Eve.
/signed
Some of the above i find a bit distasteful and others i find down right sick on a personal level but as far as in game is concerned the thing i found unforgivable as i have said before was threatening the game itself for the sole reason to hurt an alliance that was beating them.
Nobody ever really liked GOONS cos of their childish attitude towards every aspect of the game they were bad at (and thats a lot of stuff) but threatening the game showed them to be more than just noisy pathetic children it showed them to be a group of the most disgusting metagamers in the history of mmo's imho.
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General Windypops
Skullduggery Inc
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Posted - 2008.03.07 09:04:00 -
[306]
Originally by: Baxalusx Edited by: Baxalusx on 07/03/2008 08:50:40
Originally by: General Windypops Well, actually quite a few people care. I think his views are spot on, and so do most of the Eve community. In my view, Goons are 'the worst type of people in Eve' for very obvious reasons. They have clearly stated themselves that their aim in Eve is to destroy the game for all non-Goons as much as possible. Hence:
- the threadnoughts - the posts and sigs mocking the deceased - the frequent racist outbursts and ****ographic image posting - the deliberate use of tactics to maximise lag in system, such as lagging out systems with noob ships. - the metagaming and r/l bullying of people from opposing alliances.
So yeah, I'd say that's the worst kid of player in Eve.
What makes you think you can speak for "most of the EVE community"?
Intelligence.
~-= Winner of the COAD Buns of Steel award, 2006 and 2007 =-~
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Ridley Scot
Caldari Wyland-Yutani Corporation
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Posted - 2008.03.07 09:06:00 -
[307]
Originally by: Baxalusx We define ourselves through being disliked by idiots, because if people like you hate us, we must be doing something right.
How can idiots be disliked by idiots? You just don't make any sense.
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Baxalusx
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.07 09:16:00 -
[308]
Originally by: General Windypops Intelligence.
Well way to hammer my point home, Pops. :V ---------
~THE ARTIST FORMERLY KNOWN AS ICORION~ |
arghy steelwill
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.07 09:56:00 -
[309]
This thread was like a drug trip for me, awesome and happy then it got better when CVA started blasting these awesome posts. Then jade came along posted his :words: and now the garbage can has teeth and its comeing for me thanks jade thank you for ruining the best thread in CAOD.
As one of them drone goons i can tell you this, i play for pew pew and i literally dont give a damn whats under my pew pew, sessyfan says go to A and shoot B YAY! PEW PEW PEW thats pretty much how the swarm works. So when you say who is this QU'LAH?(RP name prolly helped him here), he is the one who tells me where A is and who B is and theres a whole swarm listening in. We are alot like BoB and like BoBs current situation it requires one of us to destroy the other. So even if we dident have all our allies you'd end up burning out while we riddle your alliance with spys then slowly devour you laughing.
If GS and BoB were to ally... hahaha eve would be ours in months and we would build up all your little anthills to kick over but then we would all leave EVE so NO MOLLE NO I WILL NOT BE YOUR FRIEND.
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General Windypops
Skullduggery Inc
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Posted - 2008.03.07 10:24:00 -
[310]
Edited by: General Windypops on 07/03/2008 10:25:15
Originally by: arghy steelwill
As one of them drone goons i can tell you this, i play for pew pew and i literally dont give a damn whats under my pew pew, sessyfan says go to A and shoot B YAY! PEW PEW PEW thats pretty much how the swarm works.
I guess that explains why you guys are so utterly ineffective in combat.
~-= Winner of the COAD Buns of Steel award, 2006 and 2007 =-~
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Local Her0
Minmatar La Mancha Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.07 11:01:00 -
[311]
Edited by: Local Her0 on 07/03/2008 11:15:10
Originally by: General Windypops Edited by: General Windypops on 07/03/2008 10:25:15
Originally by: arghy steelwill
As one of them drone goons i can tell you this, i play for pew pew and i literally dont give a damn whats under my pew pew, sessyfan says go to A and shoot B YAY! PEW PEW PEW thats pretty much how the swarm works.
I guess that explains why you guys are so utterly ineffective in combat.
now imagine windy you lose a big junk of your terretory to an utterly ineffective bunch of people. what does that say about you?
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.03.07 11:13:00 -
[312]
Originally by: Zorlag "The "one-liner" / meme-joke / perl letter script / throwaway pop-culture-theft-mechanics endlessly propagated down the goon hierarchy from the leaders to the drones and practiced as mono-cultural "passports" to goon e-respect and virtual esteem"
I wonder which one of these categories the phrase "brevity is the soul of wit" falls into
In truth I think I'll have to invent a new one especially for a "misunderstood Shakespeare quote" to adequately encompass this particular lemming drone rush. Allow me to explain:
The phrase "brevity is the soul of wit" comes from an ancient play called Hamlet. Its context is that a particularly long-winded courtier (who previously in the play has greatly frustrated the royals by a seeming medical incapacity to come to any sort of a point, spiels out this maxim in the process of using eleven lines to tell them their son "is mad".
This business is well ended. My liege, and madam, to expostulate What majesty should be, what duty is, Why day is day, night night, and time is time, Were nothing but to waste night, day and time. Therefore, since brevity is the soul of wit, And tediousness the limbs and outward flourishes, I will be brief: your noble son is mad: Mad call I it; for, to define true madness, What is't but to be nothing else but mad? But let that go. - Lord Polonius
So what does that tell us Zorlag? Well the playwright is not himself a man over known for brevity of course, his crafting of the language quite notorious for verbal flourishes and beautiful theatrics of rhetoric and poise. And of course he is the most quoted (and misquoted) writer in our language.
But in the context of the play whence the quote you flourish so proudly comes the phrase "brevity is the soul of wit" issues from the mouth of a hypocritical buffoon who believes no such thing and is incapable of saying anything pointed, brief or scant in words whatsoever. Its a foolish thing said by a foolish man in a very clever man's play Zorlag. I'll grant you that common usage has largely forgotten the context of the phrase in its setting, but amusing is it not to find the Swarm championing the words of Polonius himself ranked high amongst the foremost hilariously inept public speakers in Shakespeare's wider body of work?
But did Shakespeare himself believe that "brevity is the soul of wit" I hear you ask!
Hmmm, I have my doubts I must admit. He was certainly not a writer given to saying in one line what could be expressed in every glorious rhetorical aspect in a hundred. And why would a playwright wish to "be brief" I wonder? I imagine the crowds at the globe and the provincial sites of those plays would have been horrified to see the famous st crispin's day monologue reduced to:
"Damn those lazy buggers back in England, we're going to win anyway and then they'll be sorry!" -HenryV
No dear Zorlag, I think you make a mistake to hold up Shakespeare and his "brevity is the soul of wit" (mis-quote) from Polonius to assault me with. Clearly the author felt otherwise and his character mouthing the advise was laughably incapable of meaning it.
But since we're on the subject now of "wit" let me advise you some further research and entertainment on the subject. There is a fantastic French language film entitled Ridicule you really should see. Its about the cult of wit amongst the courtiers of Versailles in the period immediately before the French revolution. It will certainly open your eyes on the subject.
My favorite part includes a scene where a Frenchman newly returned from England explains to a sumptuous court party that the English have a thing called "hew-mor", "is it like Wit?" "not really."
The problem with wit dear chap, it cannot exist on an internet forum. It is a thing for face to face confrontation and rapid-fire exchange in social combat. Its poise and timing, it is not text posting and repetition.
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duckmonster
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.07 11:19:00 -
[313]
thats a lot of words -----------
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General Windypops
Skullduggery Inc
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Posted - 2008.03.07 11:19:00 -
[314]
Originally by: Local Her0 Edited by: Local Her0 on 07/03/2008 11:15:10
Originally by: General Windypops Edited by: General Windypops on 07/03/2008 10:25:15
Originally by: arghy steelwill
As one of them drone goons i can tell you this, i play for pew pew and i literally dont give a damn whats under my pew pew, sessyfan says go to A and shoot B YAY! PEW PEW PEW thats pretty much how the swarm works.
I guess that explains why you guys are so utterly ineffective in combat.
now imagine windy you lose a big junk of your terretory to an utterly ineffective bunch of people. what does that say about you?
Well TBH Skullduggery Inc haven't lost a single fleet battle yet, so I don't know what you're talking about.
If you're talking about BoB, I thought they lost sytems to the whole Coalition? Or are you claiming that it was just Goonswarm? PS - it's territory, not terretory.
~-= Winner of the COAD Buns of Steel award, 2006 and 2007 =-~
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Yorda
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.07 11:42:00 -
[315]
Originally by: General Windypops
Well TBH Skullduggery Inc haven't lost a single fleet battle yet, so I don't know what you're talking about.
If you're talking about BoB, I thought they lost sytems to the whole Coalition? Or are you claiming that it was just Goonswarm? PS - it's territory, not terretory.
Well that means someone in the coalition must be more effective than BoB to make up for our total ineffectiveness, right?
So tell us Mr. Windy, who in the coalition is effective?
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AIchemist
Gallente O.W.N. Corp United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.07 11:45:00 -
[316]
Originally by: General Windypops
Originally by: Local Her0 Edited by: Local Her0 on 07/03/2008 11:15:10
Originally by: General Windypops Edited by: General Windypops on 07/03/2008 10:25:15
Originally by: arghy steelwill
As one of them drone goons i can tell you this, i play for pew pew and i literally dont give a damn whats under my pew pew, sessyfan says go to A and shoot B YAY! PEW PEW PEW thats pretty much how the swarm works.
I guess that explains why you guys are so utterly ineffective in combat.
now imagine windy you lose a big junk of your terretory to an utterly ineffective bunch of people. what does that say about you?
Well TBH Skullduggery Inc haven't lost a single fleet battle yet, so I don't know what you're talking about.
If you're talking about BoB, I thought they lost sytems to the whole Coalition? Or are you claiming that it was just Goonswarm? PS - it's territory, not terretory.
Burn Eden 4tw?no not really.
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Snakester
Caldari Blood and Money Sev3rance
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Posted - 2008.03.07 11:46:00 -
[317]
Originally by: Jade Constantine The problem with wit dear chap, it cannot exist on an internet forum. It is a thing for face to face confrontation and rapid-fire exchange in social combat. Its poise and timing, it is not text posting and repetition.
Well, it can on some level, but it is best face to face.
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Local Her0
Minmatar La Mancha Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.07 11:55:00 -
[318]
Originally by: General Windypops
Well TBH Skullduggery Inc haven't lost a single fleet battle yet, so I don't know what you're talking about.
If you're talking about BoB, I thought they lost sytems to the whole Coalition? Or are you claiming that it was just Goonswarm? PS - it's territory, not terretory.
no windy, imagine you lose a big junk of your terretory to an utterly ineffective bunch of people. what does that say about you?
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Cipher7
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Posted - 2008.03.07 12:00:00 -
[319]
"I r better than u" "nuh uhh" "yes" "noooo" Jade Constantine posts 3 page essay on Hamlet "What she say?" "Duh I dunno."
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General Windypops
Skullduggery Inc
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Posted - 2008.03.07 12:03:00 -
[320]
Originally by: Local Her0
Originally by: General Windypops
Well TBH Skullduggery Inc haven't lost a single fleet battle yet, so I don't know what you're talking about.
If you're talking about BoB, I thought they lost sytems to the whole Coalition? Or are you claiming that it was just Goonswarm? PS - it's territory, not terretory.
no windy, imagine you lose a big junk of your terretory to an utterly ineffective bunch of people. what does that say about you?
What about if you just keep repeating questions when you don't like the original answer? What does that say about you?
PS - it's "chunk" not "junk" PPS - it's "territory" not "terretory"
~-= Winner of the COAD Buns of Steel award, 2006 and 2007 =-~
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General Windypops
Skullduggery Inc
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Posted - 2008.03.07 12:04:00 -
[321]
Originally by: Cipher7
"I r better than u" "nuh uhh" "yes" "noooo" Jade Constantine posts 3 page essay on Hamlet "What she say?" "Duh I dunno."
This made me chuckle!
~-= Winner of the COAD Buns of Steel award, 2006 and 2007 =-~
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Rudi Storm
SGL
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Posted - 2008.03.07 12:06:00 -
[322]
Originally by: Yorda
Well that means someone in the coalition must be more effective than BoB to make up for our total ineffectiveness, right?
So tell us Mr. Windy, who in the coalition is effective?
So to go along your logic... you vs a single fire ant will mostly result in a dead ant. You versus 10000000 fire ants will result in you being dead. So does that mean (following your logic) there was an ant among milions that was stronger then me and would of killed me off with one sting???
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AIchemist
Gallente O.W.N. Corp United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.07 12:06:00 -
[323]
Originally by: General Windypops
Originally by: Cipher7
"I r better than u" "nuh uhh" "yes" "noooo" Jade Constantine posts 3 page essay on Hamlet "What she say?" "Duh I dunno."
This made me chuckle!
* he he
/emote camps in cloaked raven off a gate ( looking for good fights)
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Local Her0
Minmatar La Mancha Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.07 12:06:00 -
[324]
Originally by: General Windypops
Originally by: Local Her0
Originally by: General Windypops
Well TBH Skullduggery Inc haven't lost a single fleet battle yet, so I don't know what you're talking about.
If you're talking about BoB, I thought they lost sytems to the whole Coalition? Or are you claiming that it was just Goonswarm? PS - it's territory, not terretory.
no windy, imagine you lose a big junk of your terretory to an utterly ineffective bunch of people. what does that say about you?
What about if you just keep repeating questions when you don't like the original answer? What does that say about you?
PS - it's "chunk" not "junk" PPS - it's "territory" not "terretory"
i says that i want to stay on topic, the topic you choose btw. you don't want to stay on topic :( not even the one you choose your self :( oh and thankse youz for the granma tipepps
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General Windypops
Skullduggery Inc
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Posted - 2008.03.07 12:12:00 -
[325]
Originally by: Local Her0
Originally by: General Windypops
Originally by: Local Her0
Originally by: General Windypops
Well TBH Skullduggery Inc haven't lost a single fleet battle yet, so I don't know what you're talking about.
If you're talking about BoB, I thought they lost sytems to the whole Coalition? Or are you claiming that it was just Goonswarm? PS - it's territory, not terretory.
no windy, imagine you lose a big junk of your terretory to an utterly ineffective bunch of people. what does that say about you?
What about if you just keep repeating questions when you don't like the original answer? What does that say about you?
PS - it's "chunk" not "junk" PPS - it's "territory" not "terretory"
i says that i want to stay on topic, the topic you choose btw. you don't want to stay on topic :( not even the one you choose your self :( oh and thankse youz for the granma tipepps
Let me spell it out for you, since you're clearly struggling to keep up.
- Goons are famously bad at PVP - Goons are a member of a larger group called 'The Coalition' which has sworn to bring destruction to BoB - 'The Coalition' contains some alliances that are famously good at PVP - To repeat point 1, Goons are still famously bad at PVP
~-= Winner of the COAD Buns of Steel award, 2006 and 2007 =-~
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Breetai Tull
Little Blue Bugs
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Posted - 2008.03.07 12:15:00 -
[326]
Originally by: Jade Constantine Spewed forth ...
I used to find your posts mildly interesting, but somewhere along the line, you seem to have lost it and have started believing your own propaganda.
WHATAREYA?
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General Windypops
Skullduggery Inc
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Posted - 2008.03.07 12:19:00 -
[327]
Originally by: Breetai Tull
Originally by: Jade Constantine Spewed forth ...
I used to find your posts mildly interesting, but somewhere along the line, you seem to have lost it and have started believing your own propaganda.
WHATAREYA?
I bet she's gutted that you don't read her posts anymore :(
~-= Winner of the COAD Buns of Steel award, 2006 and 2007 =-~
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Local Her0
Minmatar La Mancha Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.07 12:21:00 -
[328]
Edited by: Local Her0 on 07/03/2008 12:22:59
Originally by: General Windypops
Let me spell it out for you, since you're clearly struggling to keep up.
- Goons are famously bad at PVP - Goons are a member of a larger group called 'The Coalition' which has sworn to bring destruction to BoB - 'The Coalition' contains some alliances that are famously good at PVP - To repeat point 1, Goons are still famously bad at PVP
oO awesome, we are back on topic, well done windy, now if you yould be so kind and aswer my question, that would be great. yours truly.
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Desiderata Fabian
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.07 12:30:00 -
[329]
Originally by: General Windypops
- Goons are famously bad at PVP
S' true.
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Desiderata Fabian
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.07 12:32:00 -
[330]
Originally by: General Windypops
Intelligence.
Not true.
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General Windypops
Skullduggery Inc
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Posted - 2008.03.07 12:37:00 -
[331]
Originally by: Local Her0 Edited by: Local Her0 on 07/03/2008 12:22:59
Originally by: General Windypops
Let me spell it out for you, since you're clearly struggling to keep up.
- Goons are famously bad at PVP - Goons are a member of a larger group called 'The Coalition' which has sworn to bring destruction to BoB - 'The Coalition' contains some alliances that are famously good at PVP - To repeat point 1, Goons are still famously bad at PVP
oO awesome, we are back on topic, well done windy, now if you yould be so kind and aswer my question, that would be great. yours truly.
Find a grown up, get them to explain it to you, and stop spamming this thread with nonsense.
PS - it's "answer" not "aswer".
~-= Winner of the COAD Buns of Steel award, 2006 and 2007 =-~
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Local Her0
Minmatar La Mancha Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.07 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: General Windypops
Originally by: Local Her0 Edited by: Local Her0 on 07/03/2008 12:22:59
Originally by: General Windypops
Let me spell it out for you, since you're clearly struggling to keep up.
- Goons are famously bad at PVP - Goons are a member of a larger group called 'The Coalition' which has sworn to bring destruction to BoB - 'The Coalition' contains some alliances that are famously good at PVP - To repeat point 1, Goons are still famously bad at PVP
oO awesome, we are back on topic, well done windy, now if you yould be so kind and aswer my question, that would be great. yours truly.
Find a grown up, get them to explain it to you, and stop spamming this thread with nonsense.
PS - it's "answer" not "aswer".
how does it matter if its aswer or answer if you don't giveth to me anyway?
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Rudi Storm
SGL
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Posted - 2008.03.07 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: Nekumi
It's more a question of how many ants can you safely fend off. One hardly seems like a challenge and 10000000 certainly might be overkill but can you still deal with 50000 safely. I guess if you hide in your attic with as many cans of RAID as you can find you might be able to hold them off until they forget about you and go ride bikes while you turn into a tiger who might be wounded but was still a tiger and I think that might have been a reference to wanting to dress up in a fursuit but I don't think that would help fighting ants. I don't really like the ants reference either and would recommend you go with bees from now on because it is an analogy people can get behind oh and bears because we like bears especially when the bears can fire bees out of their mouth.
A bear dressed in red spewing small annoying bees goes after a wounded tiger, when all of a sudden from up above an eagle with a +NANO½ sign under his wings comes flying towards the bear.
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Keerie Jeanmot
Gallente Bloodveil
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Posted - 2008.03.07 14:06:00 -
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Edited by: Keerie Jeanmot on 07/03/2008 14:07:03
Originally by: WowZilla Why the wall of text posts?
It takes greater skill and intelligence to make a point in a 100 words than it does to make the same point in a 1000 words. I was tempted to write TL;DR on some recent rambling reports I got issued to me at work.
Jade - Please provide an executive summary for your issues and you may get a better response. Some of us are busy bees y'know!
kthxbye
Good answer. I think that what Jade can't understand is that some people have to work, and tl;dr shows that we have more to do with our time. But Jade can afford the wall of texts, what does he know about real life after all?
tl;dr is what you deserve Jade. You impress no one, you're irrelevant. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Kreul Intentions ([email protected]) |
General Windypops
Skullduggery Inc
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Posted - 2008.03.07 14:09:00 -
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Edited by: General Windypops on 07/03/2008 14:09:48
Originally by: Keerie Jeanmot tl;dr is what you deserve Jade. You impress no one, you're irrelevant.
So how come you're all replying to her non stop? You're too busy and important to read a post, yet you somehow miraculously have time to make a post about the fact that you're too busy to read the post that you didn't read (because you were too busy).
Basically, you just couldn't think of an intelligent answer, and it's easy to attack someone's person than their argument.
~-= Winner of the COAD Buns of Steel award, 2006 and 2007 =-~
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Marko Zhang
Destructive Flatulence
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Posted - 2008.03.07 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: General Windypops Well TBH Skullduggery Inc haven't lost a single fleet battle yet
Technically, being a one man alt corp, Skullduggery Inc doesn't have any fleets to lose.
--- THE WOUNDED TIGER IS DE TIGER BEFORE IT IS WOUNDED
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General Windypops
Skullduggery Inc
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Posted - 2008.03.07 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Marko Zhang
Originally by: General Windypops Well TBH Skullduggery Inc haven't lost a single fleet battle yet
Technically, being a one man alt corp, Skullduggery Inc doesn't have any fleets to lose.
Wow, you're quick... I love it when people feel the need to spell out ironic posts.
~-= Winner of the COAD Buns of Steel award, 2006 and 2007 =-~
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Keerie Jeanmot
Gallente Bloodveil
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Posted - 2008.03.07 14:26:00 -
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Edited by: Keerie Jeanmot on 07/03/2008 14:26:22
Originally by: General Windypops
So how come you're all replying to her non stop?
First of all, it's him not her. Second of all, it's not a reply to his non-sense it's a perpetuation of a culture tl;dr when we expect something more from a game forum instead of his generated walls of text without arguments.
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Rudi Storm
SGL
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Posted - 2008.03.07 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Keerie Jeanmot when we expect something more from a game forum instead of his generated walls of text without arguments.
Guess one liners from Goons fit your taste. Thank god not all of us have the same taste.
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General Windypops
Skullduggery Inc
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Posted - 2008.03.07 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Keerie Jeanmot It's not a reply to his non-sense it's a perpetuation of a culture tl;dr when we expect something more from a game forum.
If you're only capable of reading one sentence posts then why not stick to the goonfleet forums?
~-= Winner of the COAD Buns of Steel award, 2006 and 2007 =-~
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Nekumi
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.07 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: General Windypops Edited by: General Windypops on 07/03/2008 14:09:48
Originally by: Keerie Jeanmot tl;dr is what you deserve Jade. You impress no one, you're irrelevant.
So how come you're all replying to her non stop? You're too busy and important to read a post, yet you somehow miraculously have time to make a post about the fact that you're too busy to read the post that you didn't read (because you were too busy).
Basically, you just couldn't think of an intelligent answer, and it's easy to attack someone's person than their argument.
Probably the same reason people reply to you.
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Nekumi
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.07 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: General Windypops
Originally by: Keerie Jeanmot It's not a reply to his non-sense it's a perpetuation of a culture tl;dr when we expect something more from a game forum.
If you're only capable of reading one sentence posts then why not stick to the goonfleet forums?
It's terrible there though, trust me.
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Keerie Jeanmot
Gallente Bloodveil
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Posted - 2008.03.07 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: Nekumi
Originally by: General Windypops
Originally by: Keerie Jeanmot It's not a reply to his non-sense it's a perpetuation of a culture tl;dr when we expect something more from a game forum.
If you're only capable of reading one sentence posts then why not stick to the goonfleet forums?
It's terrible there though, trust me.
More entertaining! Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Kreul Intentions ([email protected]) |
Miss Anthropy
The Greater Goon GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.07 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: General Windypops
If you're only capable of reading one sentence posts then why not stick to the goonfleet forums?
Viscous lies. I've seen paragraphs there! Sometimes with text too.
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Marko Zhang
Destructive Flatulence
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Posted - 2008.03.07 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Anthropy
Originally by: General Windypops
If you're only capable of reading one sentence posts then why not stick to the goonfleet forums?
Viscous lies. I've seen paragraphs there! Sometimes with text too.
I just look at the pictures
--- THE WOUNDED TIGER IS DE TIGER BEFORE IT IS WOUNDED
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Yggdrassill Yeltsin
The Greater Goon GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.07 18:11:00 -
[346]
And now the time has come for Goatse
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Reem Fairchild
Minmatar Military Industrial Research
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Posted - 2008.03.07 18:53:00 -
[347]
Originally by: Yggdrassill Yeltsin And now the time has come for Goatse
No, 2 girls 1 cup.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr Bloodveil
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Posted - 2008.03.07 19:15:00 -
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As Gen M. Gray said: "Communications without intelligence is noise; intelligence without communications is irrelevant."
Taking all replies here, including tl;dr ; walls of text ; spams; arguments of arguments that were never arguments to start with... well, it resumes.
Originally by: ISD BH Eshtir Ps.: I also know its hard to RP whith a Cyno Jammer.
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Dangerously Cheesey
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.07 19:43:00 -
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tl;dr the meatgrinder is grinding.
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Miss Anthropy
The Greater Goon GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.07 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: Reem Fairchild
Originally by: Yggdrassill Yeltsin And now the time has come for Goatse
No, 2 girls 1 cup.
No, 2 girls 1 goatse.
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Cursive
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.07 21:19:00 -
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This thread sucks.
Thread tl;dr: 1) Non-Goons say Goons suck at everything and are annoying. 2) Goons agree. 3) Non-Goons counter with Goons suck at everything and are annoying. 4) Goons agree and call Non-Goons pant-on-head-wearing seal clubbers. 5) Repeat.
Lock this thread already.
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TMaxximus
Vindaloo Ring Burners Antesignani Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.10 19:51:00 -
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looks like it may be time to get out of Eve and get a real life back!
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Princess Jodi
Vendetta Underground Rule of Three
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Posted - 2008.03.10 21:42:00 -
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In John Stienbeck's The Grapes of Wrath, an entire chapter is devoted to a turtle crossing the road.
Now, you can argue over whether this copious use of text was literary genius or a waste of paper, but the consensus among the literate of the world is that it was literary genius.
So while I may occasionally be dissapointed about reading a long post, I'm usually happy that I did. At least I can get the proper gist if the argument and make up my own mind.
From that perspective, the reply of 'TL;DR' conjures up an image of a spoiled six-year old screaming 'Instant Gratification Takes Too Much Time!'
Note: General Windypants, correct my spelling and run me off 3 copies of this, m'kay? Oh, and shave your legs.
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Mr Reeth
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2008.03.11 02:52:00 -
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Originally by: Princess Jodi In John Stienbeck's The Grapes of Wrath, an entire chapter is devoted to a turtle crossing the road.
Now, you can argue over whether this copious use of text was literary genius or a waste of paper, but the consensus among the literate of the world is that it was literary genius.
So while I may occasionally be dissapointed about reading a long post, I'm usually happy that I did. At least I can get the proper gist if the argument and make up my own mind.
From that perspective, the reply of 'TL;DR' conjures up an image of a spoiled six-year old screaming 'Instant Gratification Takes Too Much Time!'
Note: General Windypants, correct my spelling and run me off 3 copies of this, m'kay? Oh, and shave your legs.
You make a good case for long posts.
But by your logic I could reply to a thread about Harbinger fittings like so.
h e a t s i n k
Would you applaud this post? e. e. cummings is considered a genius as well is he not? What you seem to be missing is this forum is not a novel, poem or and other such work of literary art. These forums, with the exception of eve library, are not for art. They are for discussion and debate. That is their purpose. In conversation that is meant to communicate an idea it is important to be succinct. Using obscure, oversized words, writing at such length that the reader becomes bored or writing over the heads of your readersà IS A FAILURE TO COMMUNICATE. It is an ôepic failö if youÆll forgive my use of ôinternets speak.ö
I am much smarter than my older brother. HeÆs dumb as a post. When I was in elementary school I used to use words he didnÆt know and he would get frustrated and ask, ôWhy canÆt you talk like a normal person?ö To which I would say, ôItÆs not my fault youÆre stupid.ö This went on for a few years until one day my mother asked me a question, ôIf youÆre so smart why are you the one unable to make yourself understood? The only reason to use those big words when talking to your bother is to make yourself feel good at his expense.ö After that I stopped talking in ways that I knew people wouldnÆt understand.
So I ask Jadeà If youÆre so smart why is it you are the one having so much trouble being understood?
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Zorlag
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.11 05:54:00 -
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Originally by: General Windypops
Originally by: Keerie Jeanmot It's not a reply to his non-sense it's a perpetuation of a culture tl;dr when we expect something more from a game forum.
If you're only capable of reading one sentence posts then why not stick to the goonfleet forums?
this is a
threeeeead
this is the
besst threeeeead
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.03.11 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Reeth
So I ask Jadeà If youÆre so smart why is it you are the one having so much trouble being understood?
What makes you think I'm having trouble being understood? As far as I'm aware I'm understood perfectly by the target audience I care about. Seriously, if I wanted to talk to people that communicate only in throwaway one-liners I'd speak in throwaway one-liners. Since I'm using full sentences and detailed paragraphs you can draw you own conclusions as to whom I'm addressing.
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Yorda
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.11 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Mr Reeth
So I ask Jade… If you’re so smart why is it you are the one having so much trouble being understood?
What makes you think I'm having trouble being understood? As far as I'm aware I'm understood perfectly by the target audience I care about. Seriously, if I wanted to talk to people that communicate only in throwaway one-liners I'd speak in throwaway one-liners. Since I'm using full sentences and detailed paragraphs you can draw you own conclusions as to whom I'm addressing.
No one that reads CAOD?
Originally by: nlewis jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were
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Lionel Richie
The Commodores
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Posted - 2008.03.11 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Mr Reeth
So I ask Jadeà If youÆre so smart why is it you are the one having so much trouble being understood?
What makes you think I'm having trouble being understood? As far as I'm aware I'm understood perfectly by the target audience I care about. Seriously, if I wanted to talk to people that communicate only in throwaway one-liners I'd speak in throwaway one-liners. Since I'm using full sentences and detailed paragraphs you can draw you own conclusions as to whom I'm addressing.
One wall of text deserves another....
You think you so slick you punkass, blasphemous, dope fiend *****! I had my jimmy whacked seven times last week! I bust a cap in your n*gga ass, ****head!
Yeah, *****, school in summertime! Open your ******* ears mother******* ***** I'll pop your ***** ass!
Yeah, *****! Snatch his ass in a bear trap! Leave that ****** swinging from a tree so high, nobody finds him for days! Glack, glack, you know what I'm sayin'? Dumbass n*gga ***** **** damn!
Well, Fat Abbot and the gang sure did learn something today. If you got a stepdad ridin' your ass, just snatch his ass in a bear trap! *****! No more stepdad. See you next time eatin' the pudding.
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Cursive
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.11 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Mr Reeth
So I ask Jadeà If youÆre so smart why is it you are the one having so much trouble being understood?
What makes you think I'm having trouble being understood? As far as I'm aware I'm understood perfectly by the target audience I care about. Seriously, if I wanted to talk to people that communicate only in throwaway one-liners I'd speak in throwaway one-liners. Since I'm using full sentences and detailed paragraphs you can draw you own conclusions as to whom I'm addressing.
You know what's funny about this statement? The fact that you primarily "talk to" the very people you say you are not talking to. Get some new content, nobody believes you when you use the "Goons are pop-culture plagiarizing morons and I refuse to communicate with such people" line. The only thing you do on CAOD is write epically long trolls to Goons. Like it or not, you are in fact "talking to such people."
If you were really above it you would shove off of CAOD, but you haven't yet and give no indication that you will so troll on, just use something new already.
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Platinum Sapphire
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Posted - 2008.03.13 08:34:00 -
[360]
Is it just me, or do others think that whenever Jade posts ISD should insert subtitles for the rest of us...
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.03.13 08:50:00 -
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Originally by: Cursive You know what's funny about this statement? The fact that you primarily "talk to" the very people you say you are not talking to.
Not at all old chap, you simply choose to "overhear" what I'm saying to somebody else. Its not my fault you like to intrude upon a conversation you (apparently) aren't interested in but feel the need to declare your existence by posting "TL:DR" nonetheless is it?
Quote: Get some new content, nobody believes you when you use the "Goons are pop-culture plagiarizing morons and I refuse to communicate with such people" line.
Somehow I don't really believe you are qualified to speak for "everybody" ... just yet
Quote: The only thing you do on CAOD is write epically long trolls to Goons. Like it or not, you are in fact "talking to such people."
I do find it very amusing indeed that you consider Goons get "trolled" by literate posts that go out of their way to be cheerful, friendly and as non-offensive as possible. Unless you're saying that the mere length of these posts IS the offensive thing? Is that right Cursive, do Goons actually get annoyed and upset by too many words on an internet forum? Thats a little bit alarming to be honest, its really not that serious.
Quote: If you were really above it you would shove off of CAOD, but you haven't yet and give no indication that you will so troll on, just use something new already.
You see old chap, simply "shoving-off" from a bankrupt culture is surrendering the middle ground to dumbing-down and intellectual cowardice. While staying to fight the good fight and educate the masses is so much more ... rewarding shall we say.
CAOD is the heart of Eve, its the lifeblood of conflict and happenstance and incident and intrigue. You can't leave CAOD to silly one-liners and people posting "TL:DR" for anything longer than a advertising jingle now can you?
That really would be silly.
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maralt
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Posted - 2008.03.13 08:55:00 -
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Jade is like the anti-yorda as her posts tend to be long and actually have content instead of being short and pointless.
I sometimes do not agree totaly with some of jades points or comment but they are considerably better than some of the one line insults and junk others post on here.
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KIATolon
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Posted - 2008.03.13 09:33:00 -
[363]
Originally by: maralt Jade is like the anti-yorda as her posts tend to be long and actually have content instead of being short and pointless.
I sometimes do not agree totaly with some of jades points or comment but they are considerably better than some of the one line insults and junk others post on here.
QFT
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Brmble
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Posted - 2008.03.13 10:32:00 -
[364]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Not at all old chap, you simply choose to "overhear" what I'm saying to somebody else. Its not my fault you like to intrude upon a conversation you (apparently) aren't interested in but feel the need to declare your existence by posting "TL:DR" nonetheless is it?
haha
*posts in a widely read forum*
*pretends it is for a select few only*
*gets huffy when everybody else posts*
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omesohornymeluvulongtime
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Posted - 2008.03.13 12:27:00 -
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i personaly think that goons add that comedy to the game that some of us lack.There are always bad apples in every group, but i like what they have done.Just think when they got started in eve and what they have done so far.just give them more time and then let us see.
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Zorlag
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Posted - 2008.03.13 12:38:00 -
[366]
man i love how most of you caod monkeys think that being overly long-winded is a virtue
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Arthur Miller
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Posted - 2008.03.13 13:12:00 -
[367]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Cursive You know what's funny about this statement? The fact that you primarily "talk to" the very people you say you are not talking to.
Not at all old chap, you simply choose to "overhear" what I'm saying to somebody else. Its not my fault you like to intrude upon a conversation you (apparently) aren't interested in but feel the need to declare your existence by posting "TL:DR" nonetheless is it?
Quote: Get some new content, nobody believes you when you use the "Goons are pop-culture plagiarizing morons and I refuse to communicate with such people" line.
Somehow I don't really believe you are qualified to speak for "everybody" ... just yet
Quote: The only thing you do on CAOD is write epically long trolls to Goons. Like it or not, you are in fact "talking to such people."
I do find it very amusing indeed that you consider Goons get "trolled" by literate posts that go out of their way to be cheerful, friendly and as non-offensive as possible. Unless you're saying that the mere length of these posts IS the offensive thing? Is that right Cursive, do Goons actually get annoyed and upset by too many words on an internet forum? Thats a little bit alarming to be honest, its really not that serious.
Quote: If you were really above it you would shove off of CAOD, but you haven't yet and give no indication that you will so troll on, just use something new already.
You see old chap, simply "shoving-off" from a bankrupt culture is surrendering the middle ground to dumbing-down and intellectual cowardice. While staying to fight the good fight and educate the masses is so much more ... rewarding shall we say.
CAOD is the heart of Eve, its the lifeblood of conflict and happenstance and incident and intrigue. You can't leave CAOD to silly one-liners and people posting "TL:DR" for anything longer than a advertising jingle now can you?
That really would be silly.
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Yorda
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Posted - 2008.03.13 15:27:00 -
[368]
Originally by: maralt Jade is like the anti-yorda as her posts tend to be long and actually have content instead of being short and pointless.
I sometimes do not agree totaly with some of jades points or comment but they are considerably better than some of the one line insults and junk others post on here.
I actually read this as the anti-yoda and was wondering were you where going to go with it.
I bet even if I wrote a long winded reply you wouldn't read or agree with any part of it anyway, why bother typing out a couple pages when I can say what needs to be said in a few sentances?
Originally by: nlewis jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were
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General Windypops
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Posted - 2008.03.13 15:42:00 -
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Edited by: General Windypops on 13/03/2008 15:46:53
Originally by: Yorda Why bother typing out a couple pages when I can say what needs to be said in a few sentances?
Yeah, churning out repetitive memes isn't too intellectually taxing, is it?
~-= Winner of the COAD Buns of Steel award, 2006 and 2007 =-~
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SamuraiJack
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Posted - 2008.03.13 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
CAOD is the heart of Eve, its the lifeblood of conflict and happenstance and incident and intrigue. You can't leave CAOD to silly one-liners and people posting "TL:DR" for anything longer than a advertising jingle now can you?
That really would be silly.
/me blinks...
Goons are an advertising jingle? No wonder they annoy ppl.
Thanks jade for the grins.
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