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Kellzz
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Posted - 2008.03.07 05:05:00 -
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Which ship do you think is the worst/worthless/useless ship in EVE?
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Dimagus
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Posted - 2008.03.07 05:09:00 -
[2]
The Failboat, because of it's ever increasing crew size.
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Last Wolf
Templars of Space
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Posted - 2008.03.07 05:16:00 -
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Apoc, at least till the next patch.
Geddon and abaddon both outtank and out DPS it (geddon has 8 lows, abaddon has resist bonus)
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Jurgen Cartis
Caldari
Interstellar Corporation of Exploration
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Posted - 2008.03.07 05:25:00 -
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Originally by: Last Wolf
Apoc, at least till the next patch.
Geddon and abaddon both outtank and out DPS it (geddon has 8 lows, abaddon has resist bonus)
Apoc is a more cap-stable sniper than the other two, which is hardly useless.
No, most useless ship is the Procurer. By the time you can use it, your Mining Frigate with Frig III can outperform it. Most ships are at least useful when you first get the skill and cannot use the larger ones of the class (Haulers), but the Procurer is obsolete on arrival.
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PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik
Gallente
MASS
Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2008.03.07 05:25:00 -
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without people whining and putting in their gripes it would probably be the cargo bonused frigs like the tor and the Nav. Progression to cruiser and indy class ships is quite fast and the window where these ships are effective is very small. They also have no t2 equiv so there is no need for them in invention.
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Artheon
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Posted - 2008.03.07 05:30:00 -
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The little loved or used Procurer.
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ceyriot
Crimson Rebellion
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Posted - 2008.03.07 05:37:00 -
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Originally by: Artheon
The little loved or used Procurer.
This.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.03.07 05:39:00 -
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Hawk
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mothermoon2
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Posted - 2008.03.07 05:49:00 -
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this is far too easy, the eris, it's horrible.
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Biffidus Rex
Southern Cross Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.03.07 06:01:00 -
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Originally by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik
without people whining and putting in their gripes it would probably be the cargo bonused frigs like the tor and the Nav. Progression to cruiser and indy class ships is quite fast and the window where these ships are effective is very small. They also have no t2 equiv so there is no need for them in invention.
Are you serious? Nothing beats a cargo bonus'd frigate for moving 500m3 of cargo past highsec/lowsec gatecamps. I love my kestrel ;)
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Reem Fairchild
Minmatar
Military Industrial Research
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Posted - 2008.03.07 06:12:00 -
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Originally by: mothermoon2
this is far too easy, the eris, it's horrible.
Not for fleet. It's actually the fastest interdictor if you fit completely for speed, since it has 4 low slots and the Sabre only has 2. Sure, it has trouble fitting properly and does poor dps even when it does. But, if you resign yourself to the fact that you're just going to move fast, drop bubbles and try to stay alive, then it really is pretty good.
Speeds on tech 2 speed fit interdictors, without rigs, and with navigation and acceleration control trained to 5:
Eris: 3977 m/s
Sabre: 3685 m/s
Heretic: 3631 m/s
Flycatcher: 2662 m/s
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Maglorre
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Posted - 2008.03.07 06:14:00 -
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Originally by: Artheon
The little loved or used Procurer.
Definitely this. The difference in training time is minimal (mining barge I->III and astrogeology III->IV, couple of days max?) to go from this to the Retriever (which can also be outperformed by a battleship, albeit at the cost of RSI in your mouse finger). The only purpose for this ship is as a component in building a Skiff
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Lithalnas
Amarr
Headcrabs
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Posted - 2008.03.07 06:14:00 -
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auguror has to be up there, i use one just to sit around amarr because it has crome rims.
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Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.03.07 06:16:00 -
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Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 07/03/2008 06:19:10
Mining frigates. After that, shuttles, which can't carry anything, don't tank well, and are slower than interceptors and some OI'd frigates.
edit: and Procurer, like someone said. Procurer was a necessary early step for me in RmR because I was a total newb and the difference between four million isk for Procurer and SM was a world of difference from fourteen million isk for Retriever and two SMs (based on RmR prices.) I'd also say that the Coveter is useless because it only takes a few days to go from Coveter to Hulk, and it isn't like it's hard to get 150 million ISK nowadays.
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Reem Fairchild
Minmatar
Military Industrial Research
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Posted - 2008.03.07 06:18:00 -
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Originally by: Dirk Magnum
After that, shuttles, which can't carry anything, don't tank well,
Yeah, I hear they are really lacking in their tanking capabilities, but at least you can assign templars, Amarr fighter drones, to them.
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Vitrael
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.03.07 06:24:00 -
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It's the Amarrian astronautics frigate.
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Siege
Minmatar
Siegecraft Bounty Hunting
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Posted - 2008.03.07 06:37:00 -
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Originally by: Dirk Magnum
Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 07/03/2008 06:19:10
Mining frigates. After that, shuttles, which can't carry anything, don't tank well, and are slower than interceptors and some OI'd frigates.
edit: and Procurer, like someone said. Procurer was a necessary early step for me in RmR because I was a total newb and the difference between four million isk for Procurer and SM was a world of difference from fourteen million isk for Retriever and two SMs (based on RmR prices.) I'd also say that the Coveter is useless because it only takes a few days to go from Coveter to Hulk, and it isn't like it's hard to get 150 million ISK nowadays.
They may not be great in combat or industry, but I'd say that shuttles are among the more useful ships out there. They have an actual purpose and do it very well, and it would be hard to find an established player out there who hasn't bought piles of them over the years.
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Posted - 2008.03.07 06:39:00 -
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Ferox
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Reem Fairchild
Minmatar
Military Industrial Research
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Posted - 2008.03.07 06:41:00 -
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Originally by: Siege
Originally by: Dirk Magnum
Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 07/03/2008 06:19:10
Mining frigates. After that, shuttles, which can't carry anything, don't tank well, and are slower than interceptors and some OI'd frigates.
edit: and Procurer, like someone said. Procurer was a necessary early step for me in RmR because I was a total newb and the difference between four million isk for Procurer and SM was a world of difference from fourteen million isk for Retriever and two SMs (based on RmR prices.) I'd also say that the Coveter is useless because it only takes a few days to go from Coveter to Hulk, and it isn't like it's hard to get 150 million ISK nowadays.
They may not be great in combat or industry, but I'd say that shuttles are among the more useful ships out there. They have an actual purpose and do it very well, and it would be hard to find an established player out there who hasn't bought piles of them over the years.
Their role is to keep veldspar prices from going above 3.4 ISK. 
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Keflin Geard
The Circle
STYX.
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Posted - 2008.03.07 06:42:00 -
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Rokh. Its a big, expensive, slow, bad tracking, bad dps version of a Megathron. It's drone bay stinks and its excellent range bonus is kinda killed by the Sensor Booster script nerf. Granted, its a good alternative to a Raven for fleet combat, but thats the best you can say for it.
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Thorek Ironbrow
Ironbrow Industries Co.
Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss
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Posted - 2008.03.07 06:51:00 -
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Moa or Ferox, but soon to change hopefully.
The Eagle is definetly the worst HAC at the moment so it'd be good to see what the patch does to all 3. Maybes gives us an extra turret hardpoint or two. That'd make all the difference.
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Posted - 2008.03.07 06:54:00 -
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Originally by: Artheon
The little loved or used Procurer.
Actually this. Definetly. My friend just went straight to Retriever when training for a barge.
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Repo Industries
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Posted - 2008.03.07 06:56:00 -
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Originally by: Thorek Ironbrow
Moa or Ferox
I was going to say these ships too, however I do know that there are people who disagree. These ships have their places, even though they seem to be completely garbage.
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timberwolf alpha
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Posted - 2008.03.07 06:59:00 -
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Firetail
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Gheeeed
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Posted - 2008.03.07 07:05:00 -
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I vote for the hawk, tied with procurer. Second place is ferox.
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.03.07 07:12:00 -
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Edited by: techzer0 on 07/03/2008 07:12:39
Originally by: Vitrael
It's the Amarrian astronautics frigate.
Proof?
Oh wait... there would have to be an Amarrian astronautics frigate first, wouldn't there. You win the thread 
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2008.03.07 07:14:00 -
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Hawk. At least the Procurer is useful as a stepping stone, much like the Wreath is to the Hoarder.
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Schalac
Caldari
Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2008.03.07 07:26:00 -
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Ferox is an awesome ship. I love mine and it is one of the more versatile ships in my collection. Chances are you don't know what it can really do if you dislike it. Then again I'm not an Achura/Drake fan boy like 99% of the Caldari race.
I agree with the Procurer being the most worthless piece of junk on the market though.
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Deadly Addiction
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.03.07 07:37:00 -
[29]
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
Ferox
whats a ferox?
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BlackHorizon
Caldari
Dark Knights of Deneb
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.03.07 07:51:00 -
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Augoror certainly if considering cruisers.
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Culmen
Caldari
HeartVenom Inc.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.03.07 07:53:00 -
[31]
Originally by: Keflin Geard
Edited by: Keflin Geard on 07/03/2008 06:46:16
Rokh. Its a big, expensive, slow, bad tracking, bad dps version of a Megathron. It's drone bay stinks and its excellent range bonus is kinda killed by the Sensor Booster script nerf.
The Rokh is hands down the best mining battleship in the game. Of all the BSs with 8 turret slots it has the most CPU
which means more mining upgrades. Add in a bonus to it's tank and you have a first class 0.0 miner
But i agree with the thread the procurer is the most useless ship
followed closely by the condor.
it's the slowest of all the tech I "fast" frigates.
it slot setup is pathetic
2 mids,1 low
basically, its got enough mids for an mwd and a scrambler
the grid strains to fit rocket launchers, and definitely cant go with standards, thus wasting one of it's bonuses
even if it had the grid it would have enough slots left to fit anything even resembling a tank
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Posted - 2008.03.07 07:53:00 -
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Originally by: Reem Fairchild
Originally by: mothermoon2
this is far too easy, the eris, it's horrible.
Not for fleet. It's actually the fastest interdictor if you fit completely for speed, since it has 4 low slots and the Sabre only has 2. Sure, it has trouble fitting properly and does poor dps even when it does. But, if you resign yourself to the fact that you're just going to move fast, drop bubbles and try to stay alive, then it really is pretty good.
Speeds on tech 2 speed fit interdictors, without rigs, and with navigation and acceleration control trained to 5:
Eris: 3977 m/s
Sabre: 3685 m/s
Heretic: 3631 m/s
Flycatcher: 2662 m/s
well now, I stand completely corrected :)
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Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.03.07 07:56:00 -
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Originally by: Drasked
my vote goes out to the Bellicose
Bellicose is a level 2 mission ***** for Minmatar newbs. Properly outfitted its a capable interceptor killer as well.
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Quelque Chose
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.03.07 08:01:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Artheon
Procurer
Ever seen one? It's actually kind of cute. :)
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mothermoon2
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Posted - 2008.03.07 08:08:00 -
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Originally by: Dirk Magnum
Originally by: Drasked
my vote goes out to the Bellicose
Bellicose is a level 2 mission ***** for Minmatar newbs. Properly outfitted its a capable interceptor killer as well.
agree, I used to love my belli, much better than a stabber for missions, I would even take it over a ruppy once you have your drone skills trained.
but a hurricane will do all of this much faster and better :P
but still :)
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Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.03.07 08:08:00 -
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Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 07/03/2008 08:09:32
Procurer is such a relic of older Eve expansions. It needs some serious specialty bonuses like the ability to fit a mining foreman link or something. It could get an expanded drone bay and the ability to launch extra mining drones per level too. Since nobody would ever use this ship to solo mine anymore in its current form, CCP may as well make it a mining gang support vessel. ORE Mk.II tbh.
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Wu Jiun
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Posted - 2008.03.07 08:16:00 -
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Maller and Prophecy are top-notch when it comes to useless ships. If they'd win the contest i am not sure. Ferox and Moa get boosted i think so maybe yes. But probably there are even more exotic and useless ships.
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Neddy Fox
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Posted - 2008.03.07 08:16:00 -
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The Itty 2.
1 and 3 are fine, both 2 highslots, perfect for salvaging.
4 has large enough cargo to be usefull at OPS, and since the 5 takes 22 more days of training, it's used quite much.
but the 2, with 1 turret is completely useless.
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WeightedCompanionCube
Aperture Science Enrichment Center
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Posted - 2008.03.07 08:44:00 -
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The Dramiel. Only ship with more bonuses for a weapon type then the maximum number of weapons of that type that ship can fit.
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mothermoon2
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Posted - 2008.03.07 08:46:00 -
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Originally by: WeightedCompanionCube
The Dramiel. Only ship with more bonuses for a weapon type then the maximum number of weapons of that type that ship can fit.
lol good point, I'll second this.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.03.07 08:55:00 -
[41]
Originally by: timberwolf alpha
Firetail
So my corpmate's Firetail with tech 2 fittings:
10.5km/s
189 DPS
You can't call that poor.
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Falcon Troy
Caldari
Awesome People Secret Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.07 09:07:00 -
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Edited by: Falcon Troy on 07/03/2008 09:09:14
I own a Procurer and can definitely vouch for it's uselessness. It was good for ice mining while I trained for the Retriever though. It's a cute ship and looks sexy on Trinity so I keep it for it's aesthetic points.
I think the Imicus is pretty damn useless as well as the Heron.
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Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.07 09:14:00 -
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Procurer.
Throughout the mining circles the Procurer is generally agreed to be an unnecessary ship, with most miners simply skipping it for the Retriever.
All the combat ships have a niche to fill, so none of them really seem useless. Some are just so rarely needed that they may give the impression of being useless.
Shuttles definitely have their uses.
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Stern Maxwell
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.07 12:05:00 -
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Shuttles don't have enough DPS.
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Cat Casidy
Wise Guys
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2008.03.07 12:18:00 -
[45]
Edited by: Cat Casidy on 07/03/2008 12:19:39
Originally by: mothermoon2
this is far too easy, the eris, it's horrible.
that
-edit newb ships fall in a close second but at least a swarm of those are good for laughs and tons of fun
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Cailais
Amarr
VITOC
Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2008.03.07 12:31:00 -
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The Pilgrim.
C.
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Polonium 210
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Posted - 2008.03.07 12:43:00 -
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Breacher
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Cyberman Mastermind
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Posted - 2008.03.07 12:44:00 -
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Procurer.
The mining frigates actually can be used even with max skills - with skills, a single cycle of the strip miner will overflow the cargohold of the procurer.
Like all barges, it can't tank. It can't mine, and it doesn't have a cargohold worth speaking of.
It's cute, I'll grant that. I bought and used one. But I'm not denying it was crazy.
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Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.07 13:08:00 -
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It's got to be the Hawk.
It's outdamaged by the Kestrel.
It's horribly short of PG and CPU.
It has a horrible active-tank bonus.
It's big, fat and slow.
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Great Artista
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.07 13:25:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Dimagus
The Failboat, because of it's ever increasing crew size.
Seriously, LOL. 
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ry ry
StateCorp
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.03.07 13:28:00 -
[51]
Edited by: ry ry on 07/03/2008 13:30:10
the claw.
unless going really fast in a straight line has become useful since i last bothered waving my epeen.
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Urban Mongral
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.03.07 13:32:00 -
[52]
The Nightmare!
Although it does look pretty cool
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Xade
Caldari
K.T.P
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Posted - 2008.03.07 13:47:00 -
[53]
Rohk, designed for long range fleet battles but couldn't shoot its way out of a wet paper bag.
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Ovno ConSyquence
Amarr
Free Mercenaries Union
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Posted - 2008.03.07 14:07:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Wu Jiun
Maller and Prophecy are top-notch when it comes to useless ships. If they'd win the contest i am not sure. Ferox and Moa get boosted i think so maybe yes. But probably there are even more exotic and useless ships.
Rubbish, I fly the prophecy extensively in lvl3 missions, and its not bad for pvp either, fat tank big guns 4tw.
And as for the maller my one came second in my corps t1 cruiser contest and that was only because my cap booster 800's ran out before his did. 
You want a really useless ship its the inquistor, the amarr missile frigate 
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Salliene
Gallente
RennTech
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.07 14:25:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Kellzz
Which ship do you think is the worst/worthless/useless ship in EVE?
Whatever ship I am flying in at the moment, to be perfectly honest.
I shield tank in my myrmidon cause I was too lazy to fly 3 jumps to get armor tanking modules.
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Ethidium Bromide
ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.07 14:32:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Urban Mongral
The Nightmare!
Although it does look pretty cool
if you have one you don't want just send it my way
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Gheeeed
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Posted - 2008.03.07 14:33:00 -
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Is anyone counting these votes?
CCP please buff hawks and procurers. Thanks.
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Alz Shado
Ever Flow
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Posted - 2008.03.07 15:46:00 -
[58]
How many versions of the Iteron are there?!
Seriously though, the worst bonused ship in Eve goes to the Bellicose. Does anyone use this ship at all?
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Bardi MecAuldnis
Amarr
Sp00t
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Posted - 2008.03.07 15:52:00 -
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/pulls the pin and throws
Pilgrim!
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Hamfast
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.03.07 16:07:00 -
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Procurer is #1, it can be out-mined by the first cruiser (like the Exqurer)... all the Barge Drawbacks and none of the bonuses...
Iteron II and Iteron IV - both cost more then the next lower model but will not carry all that much more (not worth the extra cost)
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Forsaken Resistance
The Last Stand
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Posted - 2008.03.07 16:15:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Urban Mongral
The Nightmare!
Although it does look pretty cool
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Posted - 2008.03.07 16:18:00 -
[62]
Totals so far, in order of appearance:
Apocalypse: 1
Procurer: 13
Tormentor: 1
Navitas: 1
Hawk: 5
Eris: 1
Auguror: 2
Ferox (pre trinity?): 4
Rokh: 2
Moa: 2
Republic Fleet Firetail: 1
Bellicose: 3
Maller: 1
Propecy: 1
Iteron Mark II: 2
Iteron Mark IV: 1
Dramiel: 2
Pilgrim: 2
Breacher: 1
Claw: 1
Nightmare: 1
Inquisitor: 1
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Mikal Drey
ORIGIN SYSTEMS
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.07 16:22:00 -
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Matari
Burst - I mean WTF is ugly and has little to no value in its production or use.
Bellicose - Mainly because the others are much more superior. The bellie suffers cause its jsut to odd to fit/fly but totally agreed that it makes a nice anti inty.
Muninn -  i lied . . I love mine. . . **** eagles !
Panther - The whole black ops class is up **** creek tbh.
Mastodons - is a bit meh but i still want a mini freighter and transports were kinda touted as being the haullers to end all haullers not sure on the transport class either but they do make a decent more secure method of haulling.
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Alora Venoda
Caldari
GalTech
Giant Space Amoeba
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Posted - 2008.03.07 16:27:00 -
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my vote is for procurer as well.
but i don't get all these complaints about the hawk. for the 2/10 static plexes it pwns and has a great tank. you cant bring cruisers into those plexes, so what other caldari ship would be better? not everyone cross trains multiple races for every ship. just cuz it's not teh min/max best doesn't mean its useless.
heron has a lot of use in exploration until you can fly buzzard.
bantam, which has a mining and cargo bonus, is a great mining frigate for newer players who might not have enough ISK for an osprey.
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Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.03.07 16:31:00 -
[65]
Cormorant TBQFH!
Originally by: CCP Oveur
...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
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Raynar Alcohol
Omega Fleet Enterprises
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.03.07 16:42:00 -
[66]
the new eos
not the most useless ship, but the most expensive useless ship 
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Caldari
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Posted - 2008.03.07 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Haradgrim
Cormorant TBQFH!
Whats with the Cormorant hate? Its got great DPS for a cheap ship, perfect for popping frigates (Everything but assault frigates)... sure a mean look will break its tank, and a stiff breeze will insta pop it, but thats what you pay for the frigate owning goodness...
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Thorek Ironbrow
Ironbrow Industries Co.
Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss
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Posted - 2008.03.07 17:25:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Keflin Geard
Edited by: Keflin Geard on 07/03/2008 06:46:16
Rokh. Its a big, expensive, slow, bad tracking, bad dps version of a Megathron. It's drone bay stinks and its excellent range bonus is kinda killed by the Sensor Booster script nerf.
The Rokh is easily the best Sniper in the game, along with the Hyperion coming close. It can easily have a range of 250KM (apparently more, but there's no point because you go off grid).
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Thorek Ironbrow
Ironbrow Industries Co.
Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss
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Posted - 2008.03.07 17:30:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Xade
Rohk, designed for long range fleet battles but couldn't shoot its way out of a wet paper bag.
This is true, it's too bloody weak.
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qofe
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Posted - 2008.03.07 17:31:00 -
[70]
Jump freighters.
Never has a new ship class been built so little.
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Thorek Ironbrow
Ironbrow Industries Co.
Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss
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Posted - 2008.03.07 17:32:00 -
[71]
Does anyone know what the patch is actually going to do to the Eagle, Moa and Ferox?
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Trojanman190
Yultani Advanced Research and Reproduction
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Posted - 2008.03.07 18:03:00 -
[72]
I don't understand the Rohk hating, the 10% to optimal bonus is obscenely good.
Can be fit for a 230km+ optimal, that means inside of that you hit 100% of the time... How is that useless? And for missions antimatter in rails has an optimal of 70km, your high damage t1 ammo has an OPTIMAL of over 70km... With neutrons and null you optimal is over 20km with 15 fall off... how is this ship useless? Inside of optimal you hit 100% of the time if you are tracking. Its definitely one of the best snipers in the game.
There are so many ships in the game that more fit the category of 'useless' than the Rohk. Seeing it on this list is just disgusting.
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Alora Venoda
Caldari
GalTech
Giant Space Amoeba
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Posted - 2008.03.07 18:46:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Haradgrim
Cormorant TBQFH!
they make wonderful salvager ships for missions in hi-sec... they also sell like hot cakes
Originally by: qofe
Jump freighters.
Never has a new ship class been built so little.
well i have seen a few of them, but i have yet to see a titan...
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Letrange
Minmatar
Chaosstorm Corporation
Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium
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Posted - 2008.03.07 18:48:00 -
[74]
um... Scythe? I mean who uses remote tracking?
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Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Spaceways
Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2008.03.07 18:48:00 -
[75]
I'm going to go with the astrometrics frigates, because how many new players have even heard about exploration before they're too powerful to care about the little complexes you might find in high-sec? By the time you even know there's a scanning profession, and have the skills to fit scan probes, you'll be ready for your covert ops.
On the other hand, the imicus may be an exception, because what other T1 frigate can fit blasters and three drones? I haven't tried can flipping with a PVP imicus yet, but I intend to try it.
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Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Spaceways
Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2008.03.07 18:50:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Alora Venoda
Originally by: Haradgrim
Cormorant TBQFH!
they make wonderful salvager ships for missions in hi-sec... they also sell like hot cakes
Cormorant is the worst salvaging destroyer of them all. No low slots and horrible cap = low cargo and few salvage cycles before fail.
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Massillon
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Posted - 2008.03.07 18:56:00 -
[77]
Procurer, definitely.
I think there is an existing role for the Procurer though: it's the cheapest route into the ice market.
With a strictly T1 setup, how much would it cost to lose one? I'm betting far less than 5m, and guaranteed less than 10m.
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Falcon Troy
Caldari
Awesome People Secret Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.07 19:11:00 -
[78]
Edited by: Falcon Troy on 07/03/2008 19:12:39
Originally by: Massillon
Procurer, definitely.
I think there is an existing role for the Procurer though: it's the cheapest route into the ice market.
With a strictly T1 setup, how much would it cost to lose one? I'm betting far less than 5m, and guaranteed less than 10m.
In a game where getting killed is just another cost of doing business, it'd be lunacy to ignore cheap alternatives.
Yeah it's good for ice mining...while you train for the Retriever. So it's role is limited use to about a week. Then the Retriever pwns it.
I think each one of the Barges needs some sort of unique bonus. Atm there's nothing they really offer except as stepping stones for Exhumers, which have unique bonuses.
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.03.07 19:31:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Letrange
um... Scythe? I mean who uses remote tracking?
Scythe will out-mine a Procurer....
Isn't that sad?
Originally by: Audri Fisher
On the other, the emo tears being cryed in this thread tell me that just because you shoot somebody for a living, does not mean you aren't a carebear
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Atropos Kahn
Caldari
Solarflare Heavy Industries
Pure.
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Posted - 2008.03.07 19:40:00 -
[80]
Edited by: Atropos Kahn on 07/03/2008 19:40:28
Ibis (no need waste more text on it)
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. |
Alora Venoda
Caldari
GalTech
Giant Space Amoeba
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Posted - 2008.03.07 19:43:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
Originally by: Alora Venoda
they make wonderful salvager ships for missions in hi-sec... they also sell like hot cakes
Cormorant is the worst salvaging destroyer of them all. No low slots and horrible cap = low cargo and few salvage cycles before fail.
well 530 m3 is enough for most lvl 3 missions, and was doable for lvl 4 missions until they made all those modules bigger... now the loots take up over 2000 m3, which no destroyer will be able to hold.
with skills and cap modules in med slots i never run out of cap while salvaging.
so the only benefit i can see by switching to a catalyst would be the 2 more low slots for cargo expanders. but it still wouldn't hold the 2000+ m3 that would make it ideal so i may as well stick with cormorant... plus i can always tug along a jetcan and fetch it with a hauler anyway.
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Slade Hoo
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.03.07 19:50:00 -
[82]
Procurer, Augoror, Ashimmu, Navy Apoc (after 1.1)
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Massillon
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Posted - 2008.03.07 20:05:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Falcon Troy
Edited by: Falcon Troy on 07/03/2008 19:12:39
Yeah it's good for ice mining...while you train for the Retriever. So it's role is limited use to about a week. Then the Retriever pwns it.
How much more than a Procurer does a Retriever cost? Last time I checked a Procurer was something like 1.4m and a Retriever was about 8m.
I've been out a while though...
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Gort
Storm Guard Elite
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Posted - 2008.03.07 20:05:00 -
[84]
Burst
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Niko medes
Gallente
bad production llc
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Posted - 2008.03.07 20:19:00 -
[85]
i say shuttle
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Kashre
Minmatar
Imperium Technologies
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Posted - 2008.03.07 21:40:00 -
[86]
Breacher: it's nowhere near fast enough to make it comparable to a kestrel.
Wreath. The minmatar "space choo choo" indy. Forget what it's called, but it cost practically the same as a Hoarder and yet is so pathetic I can't imagine a reason for anyone to fly it. Unless they just like flying space choo-choos.
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Annaphera
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Posted - 2008.03.07 21:44:00 -
[87]
Procurer and Covetor.
Procurer is mostly a waste of money you could be saving to get a Retriever, and can be out-mined by most cruisers. Covetor uses almost the exact same skills as a Hulk (sans Exhumers, obviously); the only use I see for it is the lower cost if you're wandering into a hostile area and worry about losing the more expensive Hulk.
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.03.07 21:46:00 -
[88]
Ok,this is awesome because I cant think of any COMPLETELY useless ships...The closest to being useless?Bellicose maybe..?
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Jinx Barker
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2008.03.07 21:52:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Raynar Alcohol
the new eos
not the most useless ship, but the most expensive useless ship
You win the thread..... Its like flying a 90 Mill ISK shuttle!
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Parsival
Minmatar
The Avalon Foundation
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Posted - 2008.03.07 21:56:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Raynar Alcohol
the new eos
not the most useless ship, but the most expensive useless ship
Personally I think the Vargur takes that award
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Maltitol
Gallente
Tides of Silence
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.07 22:01:00 -
[91]
Procurer, absolutely!
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
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Cypherous
Minmatar
Liberty Rogues
Rally Against Evil
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Posted - 2008.03.07 22:29:00 -
[92]
Originally by: mothermoon2
this is far too easy, the eris, it's horrible.
Makes an awesome salvage boat ^^
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Siege
Minmatar
Siegecraft Bounty Hunting
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Posted - 2008.03.08 07:54:00 -
[93]
Oh god, I had forgotten how bad the Wreath is. Don't think I've ever flown one, a Hoarde takes only a couple more hours to get to.
The bellicose actually I actually used to fly quite a lot. If you've got good drone skills, it makes a decent heavy tackler and anti-interceptor ship. It's definitely more of a support ship than something you would want to fly solo, but with the right fitting it can be pretty useful.
The burst is pretty bad too. Even as a noob I recognized that I should skip it, and went straight for the Probe.
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Krxon Blade
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Posted - 2008.03.08 09:14:00 -
[94]
Goru's Shuttle
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Del Narveux
Dukes of Hazard
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Posted - 2008.03.08 10:09:00 -
[95]
Edited by: Del Narveux on 08/03/2008 10:09:59
Del's Top 5 List of Useless Ships (post 1.1 patch):
1. Heron. It simply doesn't do anything that other similar ships can't do better. Griffin has more firepower, bantam has more cargo space, condor is faster, yes it has an astrometrics bonus but not much of one and anyone who takes probes seriously will be in a covert ops. Seriously, when's the last time you saw someone flying a heron for anything other than style points?
2. Procurer. It sucks, most cruisers can outmine it for way less skills and similar cost when taking the laser into account.
3. Covetor. Since hulks have gotten affordable, and it requires essentially the same skills as a hulk, there's no reason to not fly a hulk.
4. Bellicose. It isn't fast enough or has enough slots to have a real role in a fleet, and target painters aren't as useful out of npcing as they sound. This ship desperately needs a webifier bonus like the recons get, then it'd be useful for something.
5. Breacher/Inquisitor. They're basically inferior Kestrels, with fewer launchers and weak slot layouts.
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Pilk
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.08 10:35:00 -
[96]
Procurer, Worm, Caldari Navy Hookbill, Augoror (+fleet issue), pre-Sansha-rework Succubus, Heron, Stabber Fleet Issue, in increasing order of usefulness.
List limited to ships I've ever owned.  (Except the Procurer, as even I know a dead duck when I see one.)
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Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Spaceways
Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2008.03.09 04:40:00 -
[97]
I was talking with some ppl and we agreed that the Navy Augoror may be the best "bait" ship... slap on a mining laser and a phat tank and warp scramblers and set it to work.
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DroneBay Diva
Hogosha Ronin
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Posted - 2008.03.09 04:43:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Artheon
The little loved or used Procurer.
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Brun Thorvald
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Posted - 2008.03.09 05:30:00 -
[99]
Any ship being autopiloted thru losec
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Franga
NQX Innovations
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Posted - 2008.03.09 06:05:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Artheon
The little loved or used Procurer.
You sir, are correct.
Originally by: Rachel Vend
... with 100% reliability in most cases ...
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Florio
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.09 06:34:00 -
[101]
the Burst, the only mining frigate that can't do its job properly.
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Spenz
Gallente
Dark Knights of Deneb
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.03.09 06:53:00 -
[102]
Edited by: Spenz on 09/03/2008 06:53:47
Procurer. Besides my vote, look what CCP has to say about the little barge:
Originally by: CCP Chronotis
I agree the procurer is a fairly useless ship besides someone who is very strapped for isk or lacks the right skill level...
See the vote for the procurer being the most useless ship in eve is CCP Approved.
Edit: Who can be so strapped for cash they need to use the procurer anyhow?
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Rabbitgod
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.03.09 06:54:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Kellzz
Which ship do you think is the worst/worthless/useless ship in EVE?
What ever ship your pod is jacked into!
zing!
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Kane Darkstar
Caldari
Fukumaden
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Posted - 2008.03.09 07:12:00 -
[104]
I vote for the procurer being the most useless ship in all of eve. Osprey does a better job nad is easyer to get into.
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Seine
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.09 07:23:00 -
[105]
Vargur
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Johanes Sajer
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.03.09 07:33:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
Ferox
whats a ferox?
You can get some nice dps outta a blaster ferox. People always putting it down, but for small gang warfare, it does very good dps, when you dont need to tank...
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Horatio Nately
Caldari
808 Enterprises
The Red Skull
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Posted - 2008.03.09 09:37:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Artheon
The little loved or used Procurer.
qft
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Culmen
Caldari
HeartVenom Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.09 10:18:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Johanes Sajer
Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
Ferox
whats a ferox?
You can get some nice dps outta a blaster ferox. People always putting it down, but for small gang warfare, it does very good dps, when you dont need to tank...
agreed
Plus i still have fond memories of my heavy missile ferox
but this was before the drake of course
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Maaku
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Posted - 2008.03.09 10:28:00 -
[109]
Who flies a Breacher?
Seriously, outside of comedy purposes, who flies a Breacher?
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Alexei Morgenstern
Minmatar
Darkdust Industries Empire
Black Scope Project
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Posted - 2008.03.09 11:42:00 -
[110]
Bah Bellicose does have a stupid bonus but I've used one to great success as a solo pseudo nano ship. With good drone skills I found it to be a lot more effective than a stabber, fits a way better passive tank too. There are definitely worse ships around.
Scythe is pretty much a waste of minerals, and while the typhoon isn't a worthless ship its one of (or is) the most annoying ship in the game to skill for.. Woot only need t2 missiles, guns, AND drones to be effective.
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Kolmogorow
Freedom Resources
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Posted - 2008.03.09 11:58:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Artheon
The little loved or used Procurer.
Although I agree I nevertheless build and sell the Procurer with a much bigger percentage margin than Covetor and Retriever ... and it sells well. I don't know what people are doing with the ship, maybe recycling to retrieve very expensive minerals.
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Ulric Denrai
Amarr
Hippie Haters
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.09 12:03:00 -
[112]
Amarr ships,because no 1 sells puls and lasers ,in 0.0.
Atleast where i am .
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Brainless Bimbo
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Posted - 2008.03.09 12:30:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Kellzz
Which ship do you think is the worst/worthless/useless ship in EVE?
The ship that i'm in and flying regardless of make or size.
a pilot can reduce the best ship to crap or improve a crap one to mediocre
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Suitonia
Gallente
interimo
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Posted - 2008.03.09 13:01:00 -
[114]
I'd say the missle-based frigates other than the Kestrel. Tristan - 2 bonuses to turrets and only 2 turret hardpoints. Breacher/Inquisitor - they fail also. all outperformed by their faster, more agile turret cousins. Incursus/Rifter/Punisher.
Faction Frigates & Cruisers need a bit of work too. I only fly Gallente so can't speak for the other faction frigs really, but Navy comet fails for the same reason as the tristan. Navy Vexor isn't a bad ship in itself, but if you can fly an Ishtar it is just completely better in everyway. A 25% drone speed role bonus or something would make it a bit more cooler .
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Willington
Gallente
Asgard Schiffswerften
Ev0ke
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Posted - 2008.03.09 15:03:00 -
[115]
When it comes to pvp, its definitely the drake.
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zacuis
Great Big Research
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Posted - 2008.03.09 15:57:00 -
[116]
Procurer
my vote counts x4 for all my accounts btw
these ships are a complete waste of time ive got 3 maxed out mining toons and ive never even owned one of these ships.
second most useless ships are probably the assault frigs. there ok for 0.0 ratting if your a total noob. but frankly need a big revamp
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foxische
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Posted - 2008.03.11 11:57:00 -
[117]
my least loved ship is augoror
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MACCHES
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.03.11 12:31:00 -
[118]
There are 2 ships I have a nurtured dislike of;
BURST - Minmi.Frig.II, whilst I understand the reasons behind having a super-crap entry level frigate miner, for those characters that wanted to be a Miner but roled a combat character instead.. If the players involved are that desperate to warp out to an asteroid belt and circle veldspar endlessly, that they cant wait for a bigger ship, did they want to re-evaluate being a Miner in the first place?
OSPREY - Cald.Cruiser.I, this ship I hate.. irrationally. I can see that it has a purpose as entry-level 'everymans' cruiser, it does abit of mining, fits a couple of launchers, has a nice benefit to shield transfers making it a disposable fleet assistant. But I detest it, for its muddled unfocused-ness, and for its glaring lack of symmetry. Stupid ship.
p.s.
Shout out to the Rifter, Caracel, and Geddon for never letting me down Yeeargh!
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Jack Jombardo
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.03.11 13:08:00 -
[119]
Some of the mining Bargs and Exhumers as BS is much easier to train and can outmine many of the mining-ships (pimpt mining Apoc = ~1200 m3/min (3600 m3/3min) without gangbonus). Just the two biggest Exhumer can outmine it.
Even the Ospray can outmine the smalest Barg.
Some Itarons (2 to 4) as it takes less time to get a Bestower wich is just toped by a Itaron 5.
Destroyers for fights :(. So dam nice ships but hardly worth to train except for salvagers (even there are better resulutions) or Dictos.
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Luh Windan
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Posted - 2008.03.11 13:15:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Alexei Morgenstern
Bah Bellicose does have a stupid bonus but I've used one to great success as a solo pseudo nano ship. With good drone skills I found it to be a lot more effective than a stabber, fits a way better passive tank too. There are definitely worse ships around.
Scythe is pretty much a waste of minerals, and while the typhoon isn't a worthless ship its one of (or is) the most annoying ship in the game to skill for.. Woot only need t2 missiles, guns, AND drones to be effective.
I have a Bellicose that I bought while waiting for a Rupture - it's ok for ratting - not the best but not that bad either.
I have a Scythe which is a salvage ship - three tractor beams , 2 salvagers - AB and cargo expanders all along the bottom - just the ticket. Although obviously would insta-pop if a pirate so much as glanced in the wrong direction.
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Z'Doc
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Posted - 2008.03.11 13:39:00 -
[121]
Hyperion, designated as blastership but worse at the job then a mega due to it lacking tracking bonus, lacking the cap recharge to sustain the dual reps, lacking a lowslot to effectively put a tank on that is worth active tanking. Even as a sniper the mega is better due to higher base targetting range and tracking bonusses especially considering the higher cost the Hype has.
The Hyperion feels like a faction mega that doesn't have a role to excell in.
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