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Doctor Green Boris Technica	Posted - 2008.03.10 11:09:00 - [301] Edited by: Doctor Green on 10/03/2008 11:09:24 Originally by: KIATolon I'm not crying to anyone about anything, however you would have thought that if "the most powerful alliance in the game" that are onmipotent and better than us, hasnt yet token the cynojammed system off "the most napped coalition never been". Personally I think if there's going to be a nerf, I'd rather take bob's space from them first. It will look ridiculous anyway but it will look more ridiculous if i have to wait for CCP to change the game again. edit: fixed for you
KIATolon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.10 11:11:00 - [302] Edited by: KIATolon on 10/03/2008 11:13:47 Originally by: TWD I prefer singing suas over bitter suas tbh! I'm not bitter TWD, far from it. edit: Originally by: Doctor Green edit: fixed for you CCP said jammers were broken long before anybody in goonswarm did (certainly long before I noticed anyone saying it), so what you're saying really makes no sense. Nice attempt though. They work better in our favour. We're pretty much immune to having our space taken while jammers are the way there are.
maralt Minmatar The seers of truth	Posted - 2008.03.10 11:16:00 - [303] Originally by: KIATolon Originally by: maralt Originally by: KIATolon Originally by: DRAREG how strange ,you coundn't take 2 territory that Bob was defending lol We've taken cynojammed systems from BOB, they've not been able to do it to us yet. Then perhaps you should continue to do so instead of crying to the mods for a nerf as per usual or are you unable to do anything to BOB without the rest of EVE holding your hand. You should see this as an opportunity to shut up all the ppl on caod who claim you guys are skill less hangers on who can do nothing alone but instead you seem to want to confirm it with another whine too CCP. BOB may have never taken a cyno jammed system off you but then when you have a player base of over 20,000 to support you thats hardly something to brag about in fact its something to be ashamed off. Personally I think if there's going to be a nerf, I'd rather take bob's space from them first. It's sweeter that way. PROVE IT OR STFU. Stop prattling on about it and do it, or will you sit around until the nerf does it for you and claim afterwards that you were gonna kill em but the nerf got there first?. This is the best opportunity GOONS will ever have had to step up to the plate and show that are a individual power to be reckoned with in EVE, to shut up all those who slag you off and call you a bunch of useless fools. But instead of kicking ass your bleating on about stupid statements made by that moron molle years ago and telling stories about how they cannot take your cynojammed systems when you and your coalition outnumber them by a ridiculous amount. Are you really so afraid to fail at taking the last of BOB's systems because if you are that is a very poor attitude for you leaders to have in a alliance with your membership numbers a very poor attitude and one that will never see the end of BOB.
Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.03.10 11:19:00 - [304] Nice work BoB and allies. Brick wall ftmfw!
KIATolon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.10 11:19:00 - [305] Originally by: maralt PROVE IT OR STFU. Make me
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. eXceed.	Posted - 2008.03.10 11:21:00 - [306] Originally by: maralt Originally by: KIATolon Originally by: DRAREG how strange ,you coundn't take 2 territory that Bob was defending lol We've taken cynojammed systems from BOB, they've not been able to do it to us yet. Then perhaps you should continue to do so instead of crying to the mods for a nerf as per usual or are you unable to do anything to BOB without the rest of EVE holding your hand. You should see this as an opportunity to shut up all the ppl on caod who claim you guys are skill less hangers on who can do nothing alone but instead you seem to want to confirm it with another whine too CCP. BOB may have never taken a cyno jammed system off you but then when you have a player base of over 20,000 to support you thats hardly something to brag about in fact its something to be ashamed off. Did Marakor get banned? I sure hope so.
maralt Minmatar The seers of truth	Posted - 2008.03.10 11:23:00 - [307] Edited by: maralt on 10/03/2008 11:26:38 Originally by: KIATolon Originally by: KIATolon Personally I think if there's going to be a nerf, I'd rather take bob's space from them first. It's sweeter that way. Originally by: maralt PROVE IT OR STFU. Make me And there lies the rub, i should not need to make you as you should actually want to but you seem to feel that without other alliances around to hold your hand you will fail so you are unwilling to try. That makes you a coward in a online game bud and thats really pathetic imho.
Nekumi Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.10 11:36:00 - [308] Originally by: bitters much We need more Nekumi in this thread cos he knows better then every other alliance how to kill cynojammers in lag. Sad he dont share with his Brosefs it seems what?
KIATolon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.10 11:37:00 - [309] Originally by: maralt And there lies the rub, i should not need to make you as you should actually want to but you seem to feel that without other alliances around to hold your hand you will fail so you are unwilling to try. That makes you a coward in a online game bud and thats really pathetic imho. Says the alt.
maralt Minmatar The seers of truth	Posted - 2008.03.10 11:40:00 - [310] Originally by: KIATolon Originally by: maralt And there lies the rub, i should not need to make you as you should actually want to but you seem to feel that without other alliances around to hold your hand you will fail so you are unwilling to try. That makes you a coward in a online game bud and thats really pathetic imho. Says the alt. We are all alts pal its part of the game, but hey if the standard "your a alt" comment helps you avoid the issue go for it.
KIATolon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.10 11:48:00 - [311] Originally by: maralt We are all alts pal its part of the game, but hey if the standard "your a alt" comment helps you avoid the issue go for it. No, this char is my main.
maralt Minmatar The seers of truth	Posted - 2008.03.10 11:52:00 - [312] Edited by: maralt on 10/03/2008 11:56:01 Originally by: KIATolon Originally by: maralt We are all alts pal its part of the game, but hey if the standard "your a alt" comment helps you avoid the issue go for it. No, this char is my main. But it is not you as a person it is an avatar created to play and post in a game and the fact is that how you play and what you say defines your personality, not who you post with or play ingame with. You claim you wish to kill BOB before a nerf changes things then put your money where your mouth (main or alts mouth it does not matter) is and do it.
KIATolon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.10 11:57:00 - [313] Edited by: KIATolon on 10/03/2008 11:58:08 Originally by: maralt But it is not you as a person it is an avatar created to play and post in a game and the fact is that how you play and what you say defines your personality, not who you post with or play ingame with. You claim you wish to kill BOB before a nerf changes things then put your money where your mouth (main or alts mouth it does not matter) is and do it. I am. I did put my money where my mouth was, and put down 30 GF pos's, which bob have just finished killing, then admitted I failed, all of which is in this thread already... so either your trolling or monumentally dumb. edit: after re-reading the "how you play the game defines who you are as a person" I'm going with monumentally dumb.
Sral TBear Viziam	Posted - 2008.03.10 12:05:00 - [314] Its werry simple. Seems to me BOB understand and use the fantastic work of Carl von Clausewitz. Carl von clausewitz have written the best book on war ever made. If the coalition leaders and FC`s would take a few days away from the computer and read something that have pages in they would deffently understand the mechanics that are giving BOB the succes they are having defending there home. Defending is a tool to win a war Learning from your mistakes wil only make you stronger have a clear goal for winning the war A war is not won by the destruction of the armed forces. A war is won when you control the politics that control the enemy armed forces <------- good luck coalition
maralt Minmatar The seers of truth	Posted - 2008.03.10 12:10:00 - [315] Edited by: maralt on 10/03/2008 12:12:18 Originally by: KIATolon Originally by: maralt But it is not you as a person it is an avatar created to play and post in a game and the fact is that how you play and what you say defines your personality, not who you post with or play ingame with. You claim you wish to kill BOB before a nerf changes things then put your money where your mouth (main or alts mouth it does not matter) is and do it. I am. I did put my money where my mouth was, and put down 30 GF pos's, which bob have just finished killing, then admitted I failed, all of which is in this thread already... so either your trolling or monumentally dumb. edit: after re-reading the "how you play the game defines who you are as a person" I'm going with monumentally dumb. I do not think you are monumentally dumb you are just used to having numbers on your side and those numbers being the deciding factor so you had no need to out think a problem, and now they are not the deciding factor you seem a little stuck as what to do. Monumentally dumb and sad is if you stop thinking about how to solve the problem and actually trying to solve it, or relying on a nerf or somebody else to sort it for you.
Desiderata Fabian GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.10 12:12:00 - [316] Originally by: Sral TBear Its werry simple. Seems to me BOB understand and use the fantastic work of Carl von Clausewitz. Carl von clausewitz have written the best book on war ever made. If the coalition leaders and FC`s would take a few days away from the computer and read something that have pages in they would deffently understand the mechanics that are giving BOB the succes they are having defending there home. Defending is a tool to win a war Learning from your mistakes wil only make you stronger have a clear goal for winning the war A war is not won by the destruction of the armed forces. A war is won when you control the politics that control the enemy armed forces <------- good luck coalition Oh dear god, CAOD you never fail to amuse.
Ethen Bejorn Pestilent Industries Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.03.10 12:13:00 - [317] Goon tears are so sweet.
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.10 12:16:00 - [318] Feel free to make a new thread with something worthy of your size and expectations. Succeding in defending from dead alliances in cynojammed systems with 4 titans on grid is still pitiful no matter how you write it. We tried taking your capital (NOL) from you, but we failed, what did you try to take from us and didn't fail? Yes, we have numbers and yes, you lost them. Try another argument.
Nekumi Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.10 12:18:00 - [319] Originally by: Ethen Bejorn Goon tears are so sweet. I just got fired for crying so hard. Please send help.
Baxalusx GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.10 12:22:00 - [320] Edited by: Baxalusx on 10/03/2008 12:23:57 Originally by: Mr Mozzie Originally by: Baxalusx Congratulations Molle, it seems you've finally found the equal in defense you lost in offense with the removal of invulnerability of Titans. Unfortunately, your cynojammers will eventually be balanced too. Delve isn't going anywhere, and neither are we. That's the goon spirit! If you can't beat them, write a detailed manifesto to convince ccp that they need to rebalance the game mechanics in your favour. If that doesn't work you can always threadnaught up some scandal. Yes, that's exactly what we're going to do - argue in a rational manner why the current game mechanics don't produce fdeal competitive conditions (balance) so CCP can more easily see these imbalances and correct them. The fact that your alliance's entire military doctrine seems to revolve around the "abuse" of these imbalances and consider them central to the game (note I am not calling BoB exploiters here), instead of working to correct them to produce ideal competitive conditions that involve as many aspects of EVE as possible to achieve victory, is what makes us fight you. You know cynojammers/JBs make system defense too easy for the defender, we know it, CCP knows it, all that's left is someone getting fed up and explaining in painful detail how exactly they produce terrible competitive conditions so the problem and solution become apparent and it's fixed. Like I always say, BoB's problem is that they are competent on only one aspect of EVE, the tactical aspect. BoB is little but a one-trick pony that picked up an additional trick by accident, and sooner or later that, like Titans, will too grow tired. --------- ~THE ARTIST FORMERLY KNOWN AS ICORION~
maralt Minmatar The seers of truth	Posted - 2008.03.10 12:23:00 - [321] Originally by: Nekumi Originally by: Ethen Bejorn Goon tears are so sweet. I just got fired for crying so hard. Please send help. Howdy Dr nekums guess who?. Now i've been reading through a lot of this thread and aside from the BOB ego posts the attitude of your chappies (apart from the nutty razor chappy above) seem to be one of retreat and disarray/confusion at the moment can you confirm this or is it a pull back and regroup kinda deal?.
Kriger x13	Posted - 2008.03.10 12:25:00 - [322] lol@moan posts galore .: Kriger's gfx Factory :: x13 :.
maralt Minmatar The seers of truth	Posted - 2008.03.10 12:28:00 - [323] Originally by: Baxalusx Edited by: Baxalusx on 10/03/2008 12:23:57 Originally by: Mr Mozzie Originally by: Baxalusx Congratulations Molle, it seems you've finally found the equal in defense you lost in offense with the removal of invulnerability of Titans. Unfortunately, your cynojammers will eventually be balanced too. Delve isn't going anywhere, and neither are we. That's the goon spirit! If you can't beat them, write a detailed manifesto to convince ccp that they need to rebalance the game mechanics in your favour. If that doesn't work you can always threadnaught up some scandal. Yes, that's exactly what we're going to do - argue in a rational manner why the current game mechanics don't produce fdeal competitive conditions (balance) so CCP can more easily see these imbalances and correct them. The fact that your alliance's entire military doctrine seems to revolve around the "abuse" of these imbalances and consider them central to the game (note I am not calling BoB exploiters here), instead of working to correct them to produce ideal competitive conditions that involve as many aspects of EVE as possible to achieve victory, is what makes us fight you. You know cynojammers/JBs make system defense too easy for the defender, we know it, CCP knows it, all that's left is someone getting fed up and explaining in painful detail how exactly they produce terrible competitive conditions so the problem and solution become apparent and it's fixed. Like I always say, BoB's problem is that they are competent on only one aspect of EVE, the tactical aspect. BoB is little but a one-trick pony that picked up an additional trick by accident, and sooner or later that, like Titans, will too grow tired. Your argument would hold water if not for one tiny fact you seem to wish to avoid. The fact that you have already taken plenty of cyno jammed systems of BOB and their allies and its only since a lot of your allies have bailed on you that you now fail to take more. BOB has the same amount of TITANS, cap ships and in fact less allies than it had when you took those other jammed systems and yet as soon as your allies go home is sobs at dawn for a nerf cos the game is broken again. Go away.
Jebidus Skari Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.10 12:29:00 - [324] Edited by: Jebidus Skari on 10/03/2008 12:29:53 like them or hate them, Bob have shown why they have been around so long and defeated many large alliances and with losing some major allies. IMHO a job well done and much respect.
Fire Hawk Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.10 12:31:00 - [325] Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Feel free to make a new thread with something worthy of your size and expectations. Succeding in defending from dead alliances in cynojammed systems with 4 titans on grid is still pitiful no matter how you write it. We tried taking your capital (NOL) from you, but we failed, what did you try to take from us and didn't fail? Yes, we have numbers and yes, you lost them. Try another argument. NOL is our capital ? Good to know... DICE French Wing ___ Fear the french touch.
Mr Mozzie Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.10 12:31:00 - [326] Originally by: Baxalusx Yes, that's exactly what we're going to do - argue in a rational manner why the current game mechanics don't produce fdeal competitive conditions (balance) so CCP can more easily see these imbalances and correct them. Sure, that is what you will do, but that does not change the fact that you are doing it because you want the game to be changed in your favour.
Fire Hawk Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.10 12:35:00 - [327] Edited by: Fire Hawk on 10/03/2008 12:35:25 Originally by: Baxalusx Edited by: Baxalusx on 10/03/2008 12:23:57 Originally by: Mr Mozzie Originally by: Baxalusx Congratulations Molle, it seems you've finally found the equal in defense you lost in offense with the removal of invulnerability of Titans. Unfortunately, your cynojammers will eventually be balanced too. Delve isn't going anywhere, and neither are we. That's the goon spirit! If you can't beat them, write a detailed manifesto to convince ccp that they need to rebalance the game mechanics in your favour. If that doesn't work you can always threadnaught up some scandal. Yes, that's exactly what we're going to do - argue in a rational manner why the current game mechanics don't produce fdeal competitive conditions (balance) so CCP can more easily see these imbalances and correct them. The fact that your alliance's entire military doctrine seems to revolve around the "abuse" of these imbalances and consider them central to the game (note I am not calling BoB exploiters here), instead of working to correct them to produce ideal competitive conditions that involve as many aspects of EVE as possible to achieve victory, is what makes us fight you. You know cynojammers/JBs make system defense too easy for the defender, we know it, CCP knows it, all that's left is someone getting fed up and explaining in painful detail how exactly they produce terrible competitive conditions so the problem and solution become apparent and it's fixed. Like I always say, BoB's problem is that they are competent on only one aspect of EVE, the tactical aspect. BoB is little but a one-trick pony that picked up an additional trick by accident, and sooner or later that, like Titans, will too grow tired. So you never were able to take a cynojammed system. Is that what you mean ? Or you can't have 550 men fleet anymore ? Oh wait, there you go local is 780 now... MC hired COVEN to add 100. Talk more about challenge and balance. DICE French Wing ___ Fear the french touch.
Yorda Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.10 12:37:00 - [328] Originally by: KIATolon I'm not crying to anyone about anything, however you would have thought that if "the most powerful alliance in the game" that are onmipotent and better than us, cant even take a cynojammed system off an alliance that, according to them doesn't even exist... things might need re-addressing. Personally I think if there's going to be a nerf, I'd rather take bob's space from them first. It's sweeter that way. Best post in here. Suas is #(top 5)! Oh hey was marakor temp banned? I've been reporting his posts for a week now. Originally by: nlewis jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were
Nekumi Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.10 12:37:00 - [329] Originally by: maralt Originally by: Nekumi Originally by: Ethen Bejorn Goon tears are so sweet. I just got fired for crying so hard. Please send help. Howdy Dr nekums guess who?. Now i've been reading through a lot of this thread and aside from the BOB ego posts the attitude of your chappies (apart from the nutty razor chappy above) seem to be one of retreat and disarray/confusion at the moment can you confirm this or is it a pull back and regroup kinda deal?. definitely both
KIATolon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.10 12:44:00 - [330] Originally by: Nekumi definitely both QFT, we're pulling back to our delve station, but we're confused because we dont exist.

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