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Angor
The JORG Corporation Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2008.03.10 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Yorda
Originally by: Angor Even if the war does end on tranquillity, the war on the forums will be going on for years to come. If CCP do nerf cyno jammers and the coalition (with or without goons doing it alone) defeat bob (by removing sov claims) then all you will here for the next 5 years is ôyou never beat bob, you got CCP to change the game mechanics to allow you to blob them to deathö and similar comments to that affect. You might as well quit now if this thread is anything to go on lol.
Did you miss the whole titan nerf that completely changed the direction of this war?
I meant titans too but i'll change it for you...
"you never beat bob, you got CCP to change the game mechanics (including titans) to allow you to blob them to deathö
[Tinfoil] moment here, stay with me... GOONDEV: Titans the main force behind the bob offensive... nerfed BOBDEV: Goons are steamrolling Bob... Cynojammer/sov changes implimented GOONDEV: Cynojammers to powerful slowing the Goons advance... nerfed. BOBDEV: Titan/MS boost incoming...? Its more of a war of devs i tell ya.[/tinfoil] _______________________________ [ 2007.06.07 21:07:22 ] FrankyWave > ransom me guys I am joining XElas !!! |

Yorda
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.10 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Angor
Originally by: Yorda
Originally by: Angor Even if the war does end on tranquillity, the war on the forums will be going on for years to come. If CCP do nerf cyno jammers and the coalition (with or without goons doing it alone) defeat bob (by removing sov claims) then all you will here for the next 5 years is “you never beat bob, you got CCP to change the game mechanics to allow you to blob them to death” and similar comments to that affect. You might as well quit now if this thread is anything to go on lol.
Did you miss the whole titan nerf that completely changed the direction of this war?
I meant titans too but i'll change it for you...
"you never beat bob, you got CCP to change the game mechanics (including titans) to allow you to blob them to death”
[Tinfoil] moment here, stay with me... GOONDEV: Titans the main force behind the bob offensive... nerfed BOBDEV: Goons are steamrolling Bob... Cynojammer/sov changes implimented GOONDEV: Cynojammers to powerful slowing the Goons advance... nerfed. BOBDEV: Titan/MS boost incoming...? Its more of a war of devs i tell ya.[/tinfoil]
Yes, it has nothing to do with imbalanced game mechanics. See, we where also mad that all those pirates where camping lowsec in motherships and complained so CCP invented the heavy interdictor. All us.
Originally by: nlewis jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were
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Angor
The JORG Corporation Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2008.03.10 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Yorda
Yes, it has nothing to do with imbalanced game mechanics. See, we where also mad that all those pirates where camping lowsec in motherships and complained so CCP invented the heavy interdictor. All us.
Yeah others work at ccp too  _______________________________ [ 2007.06.07 21:07:22 ] FrankyWave > ransom me guys I am joining XElas !!! |

Mr Mozzie
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.10 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Yorda Yes, it has nothing to do with imbalanced game mechanics. See, we where also mad that all those pirates where camping lowsec in motherships and complained so CCP invented the heavy interdictor. All us.
The difference is that there was a generally acknowledged need make motherships vulnerable in lowsec. With the cynojammer, goons are just belching out propoganda because you aren't getting your way.
It would be interesting to see where this issue stands in say six months time when your motive have changed.
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Iroku Mata
Amarr Nova Lusitania Trade and Commerce
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Posted - 2008.03.10 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Bonefish O'Hallahan alright this thread is **** now
Nope, you¦re!
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Iroku Mata
Amarr Nova Lusitania Trade and Commerce
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Posted - 2008.03.10 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Don Z0LA im sure coalition will be back for another go when cynojammers are sorted out. untill then bob can reinforce their fortress.
You hoppe the impossiblity!
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KIATolon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.10 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Mozzie The difference is that there was a generally acknowledged need make motherships vulnerable in lowsec. With the cynojammer, goons are just belching out propoganda because you aren't getting your way.
It would be interesting to see where this issue stands in say six months time when your motive have changed.
As I've said on numerous occasions, I think the jammer mechanics benefit us more than anyone else. We have the most space, we have (mostly) excellently fit towers, and we have an awesome jump bridge network. If things dont change, great... but I think we'd have an unfair advantage and that doesn't really sit well with me hence I'm giving my opinions.
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Iroku Mata
Amarr Nova Lusitania Trade and Commerce
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Posted - 2008.03.10 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Baxalusx Congratulations Molle, it seems you've finally found the equal in defense you lost in offense with the removal of invulnerability of Titans. Unfortunately, your cynojammers will eventually be balanced too. Delve isn't going anywhere, and neither are we. 
Too much blablabla... grow up!
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Iroku Mata
Amarr Nova Lusitania Trade and Commerce
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Posted - 2008.03.10 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: KIATolon Still, our offensive still lasted longer than your fabled 1d17hr offensive that saw Molle rage quit eve for almost a week.
Congratulations, you didn't lose space this time.
I remember spending weeks trying to take 0OY, we failed a lot there too. We still kept pushing and now we're in delve. We'll continue to keep pushing.
This is not OOY dumbass!
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Iasius
The Fated Odyssey.
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Posted - 2008.03.10 16:55:00 -
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Props to BOB for keeping their nerve and fighting back. Myself i will continue to fight BOB where the opportunities arise and hope to have many good battles. This is war, glory - EVE 
The nerd rage alts will carry on having their modules nerfed by their mental impotence  . Full Spectrum Mercenary |
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Iroku Mata
Amarr Nova Lusitania Trade and Commerce
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Posted - 2008.03.10 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: KIATolon
Originally by: DRAREG how strange ,you coundn't take 2 territory that Bob was defending lol
We've taken cynojammed systems from BOB, they've not been able to do it to us yet.
First winning than this setence? Strange or? WTF you guys wanna winne about? So the Cyno wasnt the problem.... what was it?
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KIATolon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.10 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Iroku Mata
Originally by: KIATolon
Originally by: DRAREG how strange ,you coundn't take 2 territory that Bob was defending lol
We've taken cynojammed systems from BOB, they've not been able to do it to us yet.
First winning than this setence? Strange or? WTF you guys wanna winne about? So the Cyno wasnt the problem.... what was it?
I'm not whining about anything, however the difference was bob were not sitting multiple titans at their Jammer POS before. Now they are it's pretty much impossible... a few people have offered some "I know how to take do it but wont tell you" alternatives, however there seems to be polarization into a "some things should be impossible" and "nothing should be impossible" camp.
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Angor
The JORG Corporation Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2008.03.10 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: KIATolon
Originally by: Iroku Mata
Originally by: KIATolon
Originally by: DRAREG how strange ,you coundn't take 2 territory that Bob was defending lol
We've taken cynojammed systems from BOB, they've not been able to do it to us yet.
First winning than this setence? Strange or? WTF you guys wanna winne about? So the Cyno wasnt the problem.... what was it?
I'm not whining about anything, however the difference was bob were not sitting multiple titans at their Jammer POS before. Now they are it's pretty much impossible... a few people have offered some "I know how to take do it but wont tell you" alternatives, however there seems to be polarization into a "some things should be impossible" and "nothing should be impossible" camp.
How did you guys get the cynojammer down in NOL again? Oh thats right, you made bob think you were going to attack J-L and then you attacked NOL. Why is it so hard to keep doing things like this? OR do you need the rest of the coalition to hold your hand? _______________________________ [ 2007.06.07 21:07:22 ] FrankyWave > ransom me guys I am joining XElas !!! |

maralt
Minmatar The seers of truth
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Posted - 2008.03.10 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Angor
How did you guys get the cynojammer down in NOL again? Oh thats right, you made bob think you were going to attack J-L and then you attacked NOL. Why is it so hard to keep doing things like this? OR do you need the rest of the coalition to hold your hand?
/signed
Its easier to get a nerf than actually out think a problem now all their allies have bailed buddy.
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thoth foc
Arcane Technologies The Five
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Posted - 2008.03.10 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: KIATolon I'm not whining about anything, however the difference was bob were not sitting multiple titans at their Jammer POS before. Now they are it's pretty much impossible... a few people have offered some "I know how to take do it but wont tell you" alternatives, however there seems to be polarization into a "some things should be impossible" and "nothing should be impossible" camp.
I would suggest that it's fine for some things to be improbable.. and i would suggest that alot of the differences in opinion are largely just perception.. Some ppl will describe taking a cyno jammer as impossible if they can directly take a fleet in and kill it.. This is the simple direct method.. there are always other methods from spamming to metagaming.. Dian has already mentioned the mobility factor.. but not everyone can understand beyond the simple "hammer" approach.. _________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) ATUK (.5.) DICE (BOB) xElcyion Lacar
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Serret
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.10 17:30:00 -
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Edited by: Serret on 10/03/2008 17:31:53 P. S. Hi Suas, thanks for admitting you failed, bring more good jihad tactics eh? --
<Coupo`Work> if i die illl gum you to death |

Nekumi
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.10 17:32:00 -
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My mom told me I'm clever.
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smitor
Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.10 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: KIATolon however there seems to be polarization into a "some things should be impossible" and "nothing should be impossible" camp.
This basically is the point of this discussion. People quickly feel you want things handed on a silverplate, especially since the remember the threadnought before the last titan nerf. Since then Goons didnt invest as heavily into Supercaps as i.e. BoB did and we are in the defensive.
As far as the "impossible" discussion goes, i didnt see a threadnought of yours when you were able to focus your whole coalition wide pos reinforcement defence around the russian tz advantage or when you were able to use gangs of afk cloakers to terrorize Rise in their homesystems while maintaining the pressure elsewhere. Back then it was also a discussion where ppl asked for changes so it was not impossible to play the game but the official goon company line was "deal with it".
Regardless of any ship or pos discussion you have reached "the endgame" of this war. You are attacking one of the strongest alliances in this game on their hometurf after years of preparation and the ability to bolster and build up and you exspect it to be a cakewalk. Anyone knowing bobs rich history would have exspected that they would fight with teeth and claws for delve and you knew what was inplace there. So im quiet surprised that you realize just now that it will take prolly 100 failed attempts and many more bloody noses till you get us digged out if that is even possible staminawise. You had your try with 40k ppl and the results are just not rosy instead of complaining its more likely youll have to try a few more months unless you can get our toys and our defence weakened by the powers to be. This worked with the first titan nerf, i personally hope it wont work again, especially seeing stofflers hillarious threadnoughting for it on eve-tv.
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Nlewis
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.10 17:38:00 -
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Lots of BoB posts here. Aren't you guys supposed to be posting on SHC now?
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Thomina Yorke
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.10 17:39:00 -
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CCP talked about nerfing cyno jammers long before any GoonSwarm member noticably whined about it. And on top of that, they discussed it before BoB started using the 4 titans+cynojammer tactic to completely nullify support fleets.
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Local Her0
Minmatar La Mancha Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.10 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: Thomina Yorke CCP talked about nerfing cyno jammers long before any GoonSwarm member noticably whined about it. And on top of that, they discussed it before BoB started using the 4 titans+cynojammer tactic to completely nullify support fleets.
wtf this is CAOD and you know it
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Sir JoJo
Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.10 17:53:00 -
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i thought i was common knowlegde that when u get closer and closer to the end zone the defender gets it a bit easier all the way cause thet have less space to defend? in this case it means all our titans are rly close to eachother and makes it alot harder to take Delve then Feythabolis, Omist and all those outer regions.
it will always be harder to take the last space if the defender keeps its numbers and morale high then take the outer space cause they all squished in one little place.
i am sure the coallition will try and push on and i am sure bob will not give up anytime soon,
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Moonlight Express
Amarr Moonlight Express Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.10 17:55:00 -
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How many capitals coalition needs to lose after the now inevitable cyno-jammer nurf (no spine CCP) before goons start another whine that capitals and battleships are overpowered and imbalanced in the game?
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Nlewis
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.10 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Moonlight Express How many capitals coalition needs to lose after the now inevitable cyno-jammer nurf (no spine CCP) before goons start another whine that capitals and battleships are overpowered and imbalanced in the game?
are you people even putting any effort in your trolls anymore
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Khorian
Gallente Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.03.10 17:58:00 -
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Can soneone please give the goons 4 Titans so they shut up, please?
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Local Her0
Minmatar La Mancha Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.10 18:03:00 -
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Edited by: Local Her0 on 10/03/2008 18:03:44
Originally by: Khorian Can soneone please give the goons 4 Titans so they shut up, please?
like you would shut up then too? sounds like a deal, here's the titans
/emote spawns titans
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maralt
Minmatar The seers of truth
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Posted - 2008.03.10 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Moonlight Express How many capitals coalition needs to lose after the now inevitable cyno-jammer nurf (no spine CCP) before goons start another whine that capitals and battleships are overpowered and imbalanced in the game?
It will be the fighter swarm first i think.
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Baxalusx
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.10 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Serret What makes you fight seems to be a desire to prove yourselves able to be Goons in any game, regardless of the rules, or perhaps in spite of the rules.
What makes us fight is simply that we like fights. How we fight is a straightforward gamer's approach: we learn the rules, we understand our strengths and weaknesses according to those rules, and we fight accordingly.
Take those two premises, and what makes you fight us seems pretty obvious.
A good point I've been trying to illustrate for weeks. Your analysis of the conflict is kind of circular, probably because you don't - as we say - "get" goons, but the gist of it is right enough. Congratulations, you're the brightest BoB member I've seen aside from cflux! ---------
~THE ARTIST FORMERLY KNOWN AS ICORION~ |

Svetlanna
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.03.10 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: SirMolle
... that started with the invasion of QY6, and followed up by the attempts at F-T, J-L, NOL, K-6, DG-, T-M0FA, A-B, has been halted. For now, the coalition is licking their wounds, after the last week, where the POS spamming attempts in F-T, J-L, DG-, K-6 and A-B has failed, and roughly 50 coalition POS has been destroyed, with Sunday topping the list, at 20 towers destroyed.
The logistics to defend 6 different locations at once, which are being POS-spammed, is something we don't really wish on anyone, its something of a nightmare, and the possibility to forget one POS, one system, is, to say the least, very high.
However, after this week, we can say that its totally possible, although we never thought we would be able to protect all locations, we did.
T-M0FA 6 TCF towers dead
DG- 5 RZR towers dead
A-B 5 Mostly Harmless towers vs 6 BoB, counterspam
K-6 5 GOON towers dead
F-T 15 GOON towers, 10 killed as of this post, rest reinforced, coming out sunday night/monday morning
J-L 16 GOON towers killed
Sieging marathon on sunday night, lasted for about 10 hours, killing a total of 20 previously reinforced towers in K-6, J-L and F-T. We fear that the stront prices will skyrocket due to all this.
Im not exaggerating when I say that our fleets have been working overtime to be able to get all those towers down and killed, before their sov claims kicks in.
Eagerly anticipating the next move from the coalition.
Thanks BoB and allies!
Do you want a medail?
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Omeega
UA Industry Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.10 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Sir JoJo
i am sure the coallition will try and push on and i am sure bob will not give up anytime soon,
9.5/10
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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