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BattleDragon Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.14 12:36:00 - [1] Edited by: BattleDragon on 14/03/2008 12:39:26 only real good ship I have Found for pvp is the crow . The nighthawk sucks .. great tank. cerb sucks great tank.. raven sucks in fleet opps cuse of no guns and only missiles ... hell Try and hit a vaga with missiles you can hit just dont do no good ... Seems to me that Caldari are getting the short end of the stick.... Gall and minnys Can nano hacs and Command ships have you ever try to nano a nighthawk?....... just wandering when the Caldari are going to get some loveing ???? Ok starting a flameing me..... but they need to fix this cuse Caldari need some loveing!! P.S for give the spelling... cuse I cant spell for Crap
ghosttr ARK-CORP SATRAPY	Posted - 2008.03.14 12:39:00 - [2] Caldari are next race that needs boosting, but nanoing is not the awnser. We need less nanoes, not more I think that missiles should be part of the nano solution. (maybe have defenders able to hit nanoes ) My Blog
Wadaya Trailerpark Industries	Posted - 2008.03.14 12:44:00 - [3] Caldari also have ships that can fit..........guns Wad
Shevar A.W.M Soul of Fountain	Posted - 2008.03.14 12:46:00 - [4] Originally by: BattleDragon Edited by: BattleDragon on 14/03/2008 12:39:26 only real good ship I have Found for pvp is the crow . The nighthawk sucks .. great tank. cerb sucks great tank.. raven sucks in fleet opps cuse of no guns and only missiles ... hell Try and hit a vaga with missiles you can hit just dont do no good ... Seems to me that Caldari are getting the short end of the stick.... Gall and minnys Can nano hacs and Command ships have you ever try to nano a nighthawk?....... just wandering when the Caldari are going to get some loveing ???? Ok starting a flameing me..... but they need to fix this cuse Caldari need some loveing!! P.S for give the spelling... cuse I cant spell for Crap Nano'ing battlecruisers? That claim alone makes your entire post irrelevant since it just shows how little you know :/. Rokh, Crow, BB, Rook, Kitsune, Eagle, Buzzard, basalisk etc. are all really good at their intended roles. --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Karyuudo Tydraad Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services	Posted - 2008.03.14 12:48:00 - [5] Originally by: BattleDragon Edited by: BattleDragon on 14/03/2008 12:39:26 only real good ship I have Found for pvp is the crow . The nighthawk sucks .. great tank. cerb sucks great tank.. raven sucks in fleet opps cuse of no guns and only missiles ... hell Try and hit a vaga with missiles you can hit just dont do no good ... Seems to me that Caldari are getting the short end of the stick.... Gall and minnys Can nano hacs and Command ships have you ever try to nano a nighthawk?....... just wandering when the Caldari are going to get some loveing ???? Ok starting a flameing me..... but they need to fix this cuse Caldari need some loveing!! You're using em wrong. Nighthawk and cerb are both brutally powerful ships in skilled hands. Cerb is a great nanoship/anti-support. Eagle is superb anti-support @ 150km+. The torp raven is a beast. The drake can be a monster passive tank or a handy HAM gankboat for gangs, much like a cheaper nighthawk. ECM is by far the most powerful EW system. Only dedicated EW BS. I could go on, but my point has been made. You're not getting any loving because your problem lies in between the keyboard and chair.
BattleDragon Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.14 12:50:00 - [6] Edited by: BattleDragon on 14/03/2008 12:52:58 Well maybe but how many Caldari ships you see in romeing gangs with nano? and your right I dont know much but I know a 1v1 witch will win
Caia Scrutari The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2008.03.14 13:04:00 - [7] phft, boost Gallente! (The above was a joke, relax.) Adapt more, whine less.
Segge Bolled Dirty Sexy Pilots	Posted - 2008.03.14 13:14:00 - [8] Originally by: Shevar Rokh, Crow, BB, Rook, Kitsune, Eagle, Buzzard, basalisk etc. are all really good at their intended roles. /signed, as generally speaking they're quite good ships when used appropriately. The secret is knowing where & what "appropriate" is.
Miss Anthropy The Greater Goon GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.14 13:16:00 - [9] Caldari ships need some physical love more than anything else. They are ugly. Uglier than a moose's rectum.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.03.14 13:23:00 - [10] Originally by: BattleDragon Edited by: BattleDragon on 14/03/2008 12:39:26 only real good ship I have Found for pvp is the crow . The nighthawk sucks .. great tank. cerb sucks great tank.. raven sucks in fleet opps cuse of no guns and only missiles ... hell Try and hit a vaga with missiles you can hit just dont do no good ... Seems to me that Caldari are getting the short end of the stick.... Gall and minnys Can nano hacs and Command ships have you ever try to nano a nighthawk?....... just wandering when the Caldari are going to get some loveing ???? Ok starting a flameing me..... but they need to fix this cuse Caldari need some loveing!! P.S for give the spelling... cuse I cant spell for Crap Raven sucks as a primary damage dealer in Fleet ops, but Rokh and Scorpion work just fine. Ravens are now fantastic in short range combat against battleships and battlecruisers though. Take one in to lo-sec with a tackler in gang and you'll see what I mean The Falcon is amazing now. No two ways about it. You won't get top billing on any of the killmails, but your gang will love you long time if you bring one of these. You can scout, get warp-ins and then take out 2-5 damage dealers in the enemy gang. Come to that, no other T1 ship offers a low-SP character the chance to make a real contribution to his gang like the Blackbird. A well flown Cerb is just evil, and if they're set up right they can go pretty fast (won't be cheap though). Caldari ships have had a good series of buffs lately: torp DPS buff, agility boost, Moa/Ferox/Eagle getting an extra turret, damp nerf making ECM the best EW again (as it should be). I'm reasonably happy with the ships on offer to me - they all have definite weak spots, for sure, but they mostly excel in some role. The problem is you're trying to fly Caldari ships as if they're Minmatar ones. They're not. It won't work. Stop trying to make horses catch mice and cats pull plows. Caldari ships are almost without exception for gang work. If you want to do flashy solo stuff, then train Minmatar or maybe Gallante. If you want to work as part of a team in a gang where everyone knows their role, then stick with Caldari. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Arvald Southern Cross Incorporated Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.14 13:23:00 - [11] Edited by: Arvald on 14/03/2008 13:24:27 Originally by: BattleDragon Edited by: BattleDragon on 14/03/2008 12:39:26 only real good ship I have Found for pvp is the crow . The nighthawk sucks .. great tank. cerb sucks great tank.. raven sucks in fleet opps cuse of no guns and only missiles ... hell Try and hit a vaga with missiles you can hit just dont do no good ... Seems to me that Caldari are getting the short end of the stick.... Gall and minnys Can nano hacs and Command ships have you ever try to nano a nighthawk?....... just wandering when the Caldari are going to get some loveing ???? Ok starting a flameing me..... but they need to fix this cuse Caldari need some loveing!! P.S for give the spelling... cuse I cant spell for Crap i dont know what the hell your talking about but heres a short list of my favorite pvp ships manticore harpy hawk crow rokh scorpion raven"in smaller gangs" merlin blackbird caracal(good dps for its cost) and lastly the nemesis ^_^ so in conclusion, LEAVE MY CALDARI ALONE YA BASTARDS /shakes fist at computer screen ---------------------------------------------
Queen Killerz Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.14 13:36:00 - [12] Caldari isnt a bad ship. They just need to UN-NERF Missile once more. Give the missiles some love again. Not going to happen because like anything people will cry that missiles are to damn hard hitting. Sense I been playing over the years Standard Launchers T2 ( Dont train them - Nerf bat) Any T2 Missiles ( Better off using Faction Missiles) siege Launchers ( Only good for close up Combat ) Torpedo Launchers ( Do I need to say more? ) Hit with the NERF BAT - Whiners Won! Bottom Line Caldari Just need to have more DPS to compete with ( Rail Guns ) Or Maybe CCP Can just nerf ( Rail Guns ) Guess Im rambling now!
Altaree Red Frog Investments Blue Sky Consortium	Posted - 2008.03.14 13:41:00 - [13] Why do all ships need to be good at pvp? Aren't 70% of the players in empire? Blue Sky
Kaemper The Scope	Posted - 2008.03.14 13:47:00 - [14] Generally the Caldari are ok. Its deffo not a solo pvp race, havent been for ages, and prolly wont be any time soon. However they are brilliant in fleets, either in ECM boats (the kitsune is one insane little ecm frig!) or as heavy support. A long range Rokh is actually quite decent aswell, tho' perhaps a bit pricey compared to a Mega. Train Gallente if u want to solo pvp more. Its the obvious crossover race for Caldari, due to sharing hybrids.
Rawr Cristina Naqam	Posted - 2008.03.14 13:48:00 - [15] Drake can actually be rather awesome for PvP, just 98% of the EVE Population fit them with horrible useless passivetank setups ...
Queen Killerz Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.14 13:51:00 - [16] Originally by: Altaree Why do all ships need to be good at pvp? Aren't 70% of the players in empire? I think the guys in 0.0 Are just tired of loosing all their hard work they done over the years. So they left 0.0 for Low-sec. Then they said why pvp, we can just do missions and mine. This then gave them the idea that they can purchase new BPO. From here use the SAFE Empire Pos to research the PRETTY BPO just purchased. Thinking why take them to 0.0 to get lost. Now can purchase them 1.2 billion dollar care bear ships ans stick in 1billion mods. All this and we don't need to GATE CAMP and kill shuttles all days =) Or Sit at a station thats been Bubble - Because CCP Doesn't understand what the problem is with it. Or the huge amount of XXXX In fleet wars (FILL IN THE XXXX)! You have my vote!
Attonasi Dragons Of Redemption Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.14 13:59:00 - [17] There just needs to be a general tracking boost to all guns to deal with speed tanks and a general velocity boost/duration reduction for all missiles. This isn't necessarily a Caldari problem just a general speed tank vs. tracking/velocity issue. Boosting Velocity/reducing flight time would take care of the other caldari problem too. And t2 missiles suck tbh but then again most t2 ammo sucks. That is thanks to a bunch of whining newbs though. I hate forums
Paeniteo Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2008.03.14 13:59:00 - [18] CCP, please fix Caldari citizens! Their population has gotten out of control
Queen Killerz Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.14 14:01:00 - [19] Originally by: Rawr Cristina Drake can actually be rather awesome for PvP, just 98% of the EVE Population fit them with horrible useless passivetank setups When they give the drake some BALLS(DPS) then it truly be awesome pvp ship. Passive tanking drakes (IS THE BEST SETUP!) They are great tanks, just lack in the DPS department. Erm why do you think CCP nerf the Shield Refresh rate? ANS: People complained they took to long to kill
Ancy Denaries Under Heavy Fire	Posted - 2008.03.14 14:02:00 - [20] Originally by: BattleDragon Edited by: BattleDragon on 14/03/2008 12:52:58 Well maybe but how many Caldari ships you see in romeing gangs with nano? and your right I dont know much but I know a 1v1 witch will win Well, the problem lies not within Caldari, but within nano-ships. In fact, Caldari would be the one race that is not broken when it comes to nano :P Originally by: "Cris Dono" That ofc isn't the best thing when a punisher obviously fitted with an Acme Infini-cap-o-matic is still dishing out hurt like there was no tomorrow :(
Ritzenhoff Fabian Strategy	Posted - 2008.03.14 14:03:00 - [21] Originally by: Miss Anthropy Caldari ships need some physical love more than anything else. They are ugly. Uglier than a moose's rectum. True. I can't bear to fly them, they make my eyes hurt. CCP, sexify Caldari ships now.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.03.14 14:08:00 - [22] Originally by: Queen Killerz Caldari isnt a bad ship. They just need to UN-NERF Missile once more. Give the missiles some love again. Not going to happen because like anything people will cry that missiles are to damn hard hitting. Sense I been playing over the years Standard Launchers T2 ( Dont train them - Nerf bat) Any T2 Missiles ( Better off using Faction Missiles) siege Launchers ( Only good for close up Combat ) Torpedo Launchers ( Do I need to say more? ) Hit with the NERF BAT - Whiners Won! Bottom Line Caldari Just need to have more DPS to compete with ( Rail Guns ) Or Maybe CCP Can just nerf ( Rail Guns ) Guess Im rambling now! I think you're incorrect in saying that torps were "nerfed". For PvE maybe, but let's not pretend that torp ravens weren't far more efficient than any other ratting BS. But for PvP, torps are short range weapons with great range, great damage, no cap use and no tracking. They're not effective vs small/fast ships and that's all. With respect to Cruise OTOH, they really do need fixing. Yes they have great range - I get something like 240Km from my unrigged raven - but they take 30 seconds to get there (LOL!) they do weak DPS, and they're even worse against anything with a MWD unless it's already scrambled and webbed. Much the same applies to standard missiles, and to a lesser extent the heavy missiles. What is needed is a mid-slot equivalent of a tracking computer, that will increase explosion velocity. TCs and TEs allow guns to hit targets moving at a higher speed and range, and sniper gunships can load up on these, but missile ships have no such option. Once your target is going above 2.5Km/s then it takes greatly reduced damage for anything except precision lights (precision lights do so little damage that you might as well count them as "greatly reduced" even against stationary ships). Once the target is moving at around the 4+Km/s mark, it's basically immune to the whole missile weapon class. But in the name of balance, there would also need to be a counter. In fact there already is one in game, but it's broken. I'm talking about defender missiles. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.03.14 14:09:00 - [23] You're doing it wrong. Onyx Cerberus Eagle Falcon Scorpion Rokh Ferox etc... Are all great ships... and if you want nano, go for a nano-drake gang sometime. People run in phear!11 Caldari aren't great solo, but I bothered with training another race because the ships look cooler and the guns make more fun noises... Ratattatatat ------------ Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.03.14 14:11:00 - [24] The only thing that Caldari are lacking, in terms of pvp, is a cruiser or larger sized ship, capable of tackling and ganking, that's due to the race's reliance on ranged combat. Unless a ship comes out that drastically varies from existing caldari ships or they change the way rails work it probably won't be possible to fix. Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
Ki An Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.03.14 14:14:00 - [25] Fix Caldari? The ship I fear the most in an even BS fight is a Raven. It out-DPS's any other BS and can still fit a fairly decent tank. Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
Eventy One Magellan Exploration and Survey	Posted - 2008.03.14 14:14:00 - [26] Originally by: Miss Anthropy Caldari ships need some physical love more than anything else. They are ugly. Uglier than a moose's rectum. Why insult the moose?
Imperator Jora'h Hedion University	Posted - 2008.03.14 14:15:00 - [27] Originally by: Queen Killerz Torpedo Launchers ( Do I need to say more? ) Hit with the NERF BAT - Whiners Won! Bottom Line Caldari Just need to have more DPS to compete with ( Rail Guns ) Or Maybe CCP Can just nerf ( Rail Guns ) Why do people keep failing to understand this? Torps were both nerfed and buffed. They had their range nerfed and damage (effectively) buffed. And this was to (gasp) bring them in line with every other weapon system in the game! Autocannons = Short Range/High Damage; Artillery = Long Range/Low Damage Blasters = Short Range/High Damage; Railguns = Long Range/Low Damage Pulse = Short Range/High Damage; Beams = Long Range/Low Damage Torps = Short Range/High Damage; Cruise = Long Range/Low Damage OMFG! Would you look at that! It makes sense! What were the Devs thinking! And a torp Raven can be downright brutal now at close range...it has damage in spades. No problems there. -------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
Staggerr Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.03.14 14:17:00 - [28] Originally by: Paeniteo CCP, please fix Caldari citizens! Their population has gotten out of control
Psi Cloned Frequent Flyers Tartarus Coalition	Posted - 2008.03.14 14:36:00 - [29] Originally by: Rawr Cristina Drake can actually be rather awesome for PvP, just 98% of the EVE Population fit them with horrible useless passivetank setups I agree, and i've worked out several "hybrid" setups using passive plates with active hardeners, that work quite well. It all comes down to the ships intended role, if you use a ship as intended, and have the skills to properly fly it, they often excel. Always approach a new ship with this in mind: -Can i realy fly it? (ie do i have all the SUPPORT skills like engineering, electronics, etc.) -What role do i want to play? (tackler, dps, scout, etc) These 2 questions will help you select a ship for a given role, one that it should do well, if you do your homework (research the ship and skills needed, see where its strengths and weaknesses are). Shield tankers should have all 4 resist compensation skills at IV or V, along with the basic shield comp & op skills, tactical shield manipulation, shield upgrades etc. In other words ALL shield related skills. The same holds true for armor tankers, they should have all related skills at IV or V. Also important to all tankers are the electronics & engineering skills, no matter how you tank, cap is king, so the more you have & the faster it recharges, the better off you are (in most cases) Tools like EFT & evemon can help here. (great way to check out EVERY ship, skill and module in the game to see which is right for the job). And of course this forum is one of the best resources you will find for the game. Research, think, train.... then build. Good Luck & Good Hunting! -------------------------------------------------- www.rogue-radio.com
Imperator Jora'h Hedion University	Posted - 2008.03.14 14:44:00 - [30] Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 14/03/2008 14:45:06 Originally by: Queen Killerz What amuses people on paper often does not reflect real time. And after your done with the OMFG Maybe you can compare APPLES with ORANGES. But honestly.. "Caldari Ships will never be PVP ships in my eyes" What apples and oranges? The Caldari weapon systems now fit the mold that every other weapon systems in EVE have always followed since day one. And never mind paper stats...read above where diehard PvP players are telling you they find a Raven one of the scarier battleships to come up against in PvP. Is a Raven a fleet sniper? Nope...but in small gang, under 30km ranges a Raven can be evil. If you want a sniper get a Rokh. If you do not believe it go find some Ravens camping low sec gates (not hard to find at all) and see for yourself. If it is as pure crap as you think there should be no problems for you. Have some fun and rack up some killmails. -------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"

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