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Barzam
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.03.17 12:51:00 -
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logoffski: While yes, it's easy to logoffski, I have only encountered it ONCE in a full year and more than 300 kills in PVP. I think you're exaggerating how often this happens.
warp to zero: Bubbles mate? Webbers? Hics? Small ships always had a better chance to get away. Warp to zero was a good thing.
nanoships: In one breath you complain about twitch shooter, in another you complain about BS vs. BS going on for 20 minutes?
farming: Farming is not against the rules. The selling of isk is. Now, you can argue that all farmers sell isk. Fine. But it's harder to prove that a sale of isk-for-money has taken place.
lag: Can't really argue with this.
crowded: There's lots of soft target alliances who are really weak and carebearish and there is also npc space for small alliances to grow up in. Just look at BRUCE.
hitpoint buffs: I am neither for or against a HP buff. But the day of insta-popping snipe-pests is over and done with thankfully.
blobs: Tbh, nanogangs should get BETTER options to do small-gang warfare. This is exactly what CCP and players are looking for I think - quick agile terrorist groups breaking into enemy territory and doing lots of collateral damage and then getting out fast. With the TD-falloff nerf, you have a pretty nasty counter to gunboat HACs too.
bugs: ...
2nd job: Keep several sets of ships that you expect to lose a lot of. 30 seconds is not a lot to wait, you usually need to stick some ammo in your guns before undocking again after dieing anyway.
As you can see, there's diferring opinions and ways to look at the game, and the conclusion is that it's not so bad after all. Maybe you are overexaggerating your claims, or the space you've been living in is just completely boring (re: logoffski etc). Just move to a new place, set up shop and keep doing your thing.
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Terail Zoqial
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.17 12:54:00 -
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Eve has changed loads since launch, I'm glad you have bitten the bullet instead of hanging around whining like so many others.
Small gangs are possible, more thought needs to go into strategies. People only blob because people blob, redefine the rules of combat instead of whining about it.
Logofski, agreed, utter pain in the arse.
Warp to zero, make absolutely no difference, if you get rid of that then we start off with the old "get rid of BM debate", which spammed years.
Nanoships are annoying, but it's hardly an exploit.
CCP are contemplating fixing cloaks so that non-specialised ships can be hunted out, are for logofski farmers, a new solution will have to be found for them.
Lag is dependant on where you are and how you play, get out of the blob or jita and the game works perfect.
Bugs...there will always be bugs
2nd job..I completely agree, eve kinda takes you from game mode a lot of times and takes you into the realm of the obsessive compulsive. I know the game is meant to be dark and gloomy, no reason why it shouldn't be more phun though.
Hardcore..I completely disagree here as you were graoning about eve becoming a second job.
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Drasked
North Face Force
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Posted - 2008.03.17 12:56:00 -
[33]
Noooooooooo, AWOX!!!
Sad to see you leave, and even tho you ***** down on nano's ( ) i agree with a lot of your points, some of which have lowered my intrest in eve aswell.
Take care and see you around in AoC (you know you want to) 
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Agathe Hira
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.17 12:57:00 -
[34]
Eve is more hardcore then it was some years ago.
Remember WCSs with no penalties ? Remember before the current probing system when if you were in a safespot or mission it would take hours to get to you, when people actually left valuable stuff in safespots ?
Now if someone logs off in combat, they stay in space long enough to scan them down, while before it was a free escape card.
And EvE's lag is caused by the number of players, not the new features. Not counting some post-patch mess up.
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Smack Dahlia
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.03.17 13:00:00 -
[35]
Thank Christ for that. I was going to cancel my account because this Awox chump had convinced me that all Eve players were self-obsessed know-it-all bores.
But now he's gone, i feel like i've been given a whole new lease of life. Brilliant!
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Mihailo Great
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.17 13:04:00 -
[36]
tl;dr get out
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.17 13:07:00 -
[37]
Sorry to see you go Awox, good luck with whatever you spend your time on now and see you when you get back 
Secure 3rd party service ■ Do you Veldspar? |
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Atropos Kahn
Solarflare Heavy Industries Pure.
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Posted - 2008.03.17 13:10:00 -
[38]
Pirates always want it easy. 
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. |

Waxau
The Fated Odyssey.
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Posted - 2008.03.17 13:12:00 -
[39]
Ageed. We never got to chat Awox, but wherever ive been living in eve, you've always been close and harrasing my locale. GL with your apprentiship mate. And pretty much agree with all those points, minus the fact im addicted to smack, so leaving isnt an option for me :D
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2008.03.17 13:23:00 -
[40]
There are so many things I want to poit out being stupid, but I will just mention one at this time:
You cant say EVE getting dumbed down just because its getting a bloody welcome screen!
Honestly! All it does is giving the new players a hint of what to do! No game mechanics have been adjusted or changed to the easier because of this! All it does is to give new players a hint of how to do things! If you call adding manuals with a game of dumbing it down, sorry, then you are wildly mistaken!
All in all: Maybe EVE is not for you. But stop blaming EVE for it, when its clearly your view which is warped on a lot of it
Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL
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Sexiest Beast
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.17 13:28:00 -
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hello,
im still quite new so i am yet to experience most of what you say. burnout time is usually around a year then most take a break. full burnouts about 3 years.
mmolg's are about turnover so old plyers leave and new ones arrive to take their place.
your posts have been interesting at times. Fly safe in whatever direction you choose.
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Luh Windan
Republic University
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Posted - 2008.03.17 13:33:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Honestly! All it does is giving the new players a hint of what to do! No game mechanics have been adjusted or changed to the easier because of this! All it does is to give new players a hint of how to do things! If you call adding manuals with a game of dumbing it down, sorry, then you are wildly mistaken!
Welcome screens are just the final straw - column headers and labels on buttons did it for me....you should have to work it out for yourself what things do
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Dexion Slayer
Perpetual Dawn
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Posted - 2008.03.17 13:38:00 -
[43]
baai lolwox :( o7 youll be back ":P
ill think ill just keep the greens :) -Dex |

Korran Minare
Spaced Cowboys
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Posted - 2008.03.17 13:45:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Luh Windan
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Honestly! All it does is giving the new players a hint of what to do! No game mechanics have been adjusted or changed to the easier because of this! All it does is to give new players a hint of how to do things! If you call adding manuals with a game of dumbing it down, sorry, then you are wildly mistaken!
Welcome screens are just the final straw - column headers and labels on buttons did it for me....you should have to work it out for yourself what things do
yea and it took me all of mabey 30 seconds to go into the options menu and turn off the welcome screen, i would have loved to have this when i was a noob but they werent there. remember this is a GAME and it seems like a lot of players have forgotten that tiny fact.
Originally by: Korran Minare what would you put on space pizza anyway????
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Zenst
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2008.03.17 13:56:00 -
[45]
I hear what your saying, you tried empire wars.
But personaly I would love for 0.0 space to be doubled in size so its more dynamic and viable for smaller groups along with a blob of empire stuck out in the middle of nowere which would only encourage more 0.0 population, more movment, more proper pirating, more scope and give people in empire to be split apart from there safe haven by giving them a choice instead of a do or die option alot arnt interested in.
As it stands empire is over safty netted in that it dosn;t encourage 0.0 exploration and those that do, ie those who want to pvp (which is the only real incentive) would have a easier life instead of being tied down to nano ships to avoid the instant blobs and alow them to roam 0.0 instead of dipping in at a few choke points and out again soon as the wind indicates the blob. A larger 0.0 would allow more buffer zones and with a blob of empire in the middle of it then it would encourage migration and as such make the map less predictable along with the whole state of 0.0.
But as a whole I agree it is being dumbed down, like releasing a car then few years later offering driving leasons, you can see how those who learnt to drive all by themselved feel, especialy when there is no new models to allow them to capitalise upon there edge. T2 well overdue, which is why pretty much all specialisations in eve are all but 3 months away in many area's and older players feel that they have reached the peak of the montain without anything left to climb.
I would love to see ships or modules that would take you 6 months plus even if you had a maxed out char to train for with new skills demanding high prereq's, new stuff that is true specialisations instead of at most a 3 months detour of what your doing now. Make the game more dynamic from a skillpoint perspective and not a isk perspective as since GTC's that whole base of dynamics got perversed towards the lucky and the RL rich.
Keep your account, see if they listern, but alas I would mine veld for a week for CCP if they even replied to this post with any feedback at all. Especialy when feedback is akin to a nuke going off and being warned about it after the half-life decay has reached safty levels type approach too feedback.
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Vanessa Vale
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.17 14:09:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Pan Crastus
Personally, I find myself thinking about cancelling as well, most of the time I just sit in a station doing nothing and most of my corp/alliance mates seem to play much less than they used to.
This. I decided I don't want to pay more money for double standard gms, balance decisions I see as broken and where concerns of balance are just ignored by CCP in the forums, the very poor state of the client both in performance and in design, the staleness of game mechanics, the general fail of these (didn't people tell ccp that cyno jammers and moving guns outside poses would'nt do anything for small gangs? didnt people tell ccp that a speed bonus on a freighter was pretty much useless and they still put it only to change it later when it was obvious jf had failed?), and of course the lag and the bugs that keep coming in each patch release ever when they are glaringly obvious.
So I do a lot of station "playing" and buy GTCs with ISKSs. When they run out I'm out and I will actively be recommending against playing eve.
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Reavers.
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Posted - 2008.03.17 14:15:00 -
[47]
Can I ahve your account???? 
"The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of goldcrap"
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Epictetus
Advanced Logistics Cosa Nostra.
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Posted - 2008.03.17 14:17:00 -
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Actually i basically agree with most of the stuff Awox is saying except for the part about quitting.
Things are always getting worse for people like us; but 3 months ago we still had ****loads of fun tearing ships apart by the dozens. Nothing has really changed since then.
Take a break - come back in a month or six.
But dont be a quitter...
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Ruah Piskonit
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2008.03.17 14:28:00 -
[49]
I have a lot of friends who are just hanging around lately. I've been telling them to take a break and see if they get an urge to return after a soid month off. . .but they tell me that this skill and that skill could be trained and whatnot. . .
I guess its not like other games where you can grind your gear back - in eve, time not spent training is time lost forever. . .that alone keeps a lot of people paying. ----
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Slide
Butcherblock Mining and Manufacturing
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Posted - 2008.03.17 14:35:00 -
[50]
An honest post with some good points.
To Craig Crawford, Crush Boss, DarkGiver, Sha4d13, Terror Rising, Shanur, Abrazzar, Tzun Su, Smack Dahlia, Mihailo Great, at least the OP's post contained some information worthwile reading, what about yours?
WTF do you care about his thread, please go keep your negative rubish post's to yourself, i really could not care less.
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Fanjita
Slaves To Pwnage
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Posted - 2008.03.17 14:42:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Waxau Ageed. We never got to chat Awox, but wherever ive been living in eve, you've always been close and harrasing my locale. GL with your apprentiship mate. And pretty much agree with all those points, minus the fact im addicted to smack, so leaving isnt an option for me :D
I'd consider going to your doctor for that see if they can get you in rehab quick the brown is ver very nasty stuff.
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Securion Wolfheart
Not Like Most
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Posted - 2008.03.17 14:45:00 -
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I have canceled my alt account, and im only logging in my main to change skills. Its only a matter of time before I quit as well.
EVE is crowded, and there is no "space" in this space game, only perma camped choke points. No exploration, no adventure, no uncharted regions, nothing. You are restricted to a few places in every system where you can warp to and thats it.
Most of the time in EVE I spent on jumping gates. Or logging alts on and off to check the gates.
As soon as Earthrise and/or Darkfall is out, im selling Securion Wolfheart and give the isk to a friend or two who still plays EVE.
The difference between a Pirate and an Anti-Pirate is that an Anti-Pirate fights ships fitted with guns... |

Hitme Harder
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.03.17 14:47:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Awox 2nd job: Yes, it should really take me 30 minutes to fit a ship after losing it. Yes, I should wait 30 seconds between changing ships. Yes, I should wait 30 seconds before I can dock after changing into that ship. *sigh*
I hate this. It takes absolutely forever to do anything in eve. I just wanted to move some s*** around yesterday, so I could do some exploration rather than missions in the same system that i'd been casually doing the last month.
When I finished moving everything into position, I looked at the clock, got ****ed and logged.
I should do some metrics and find out just how long I was in control of my ship yesterday rather than watching it say "you must wait before blah blar blurf" or warping/jumping.
Yesterday was the most boring time I've ever spent in a videogame.
AREN'T THEY ADORABLE? |

Noxzema Jacson
Republic University
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:01:00 -
[54]
I hear what your saying. After my time code expires in a month I will be resigning also. CCP doesn't care as they have a large fanboy base which will support them regardless. Truth be told if all the players fed up resigned..then that would either be the end of EVE or force them to improve the areas its lacking.
In the end I don't care what happens, in the few months I played for the most part I enjoyed the experience and I'll be sad to let go but I won't pay good money to a company that spits on their patrons.
Flame me if you want but thats reality. |

w00kie
House of Marbles Zzz
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:02:00 -
[55]
can I have your ships? or modules? or isk?
send it to me :D
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Tag Ibby
Advanced Logistics Cosa Nostra.
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:05:00 -
[56]
Well Awox, Like epic said, it was jsut as bad 3 months ago and we would still go out and have fun. I cant argue any points you make though, It's clear CCP doesnt understand the effects the changes it puts in will actually have on EVE.
There is nothing happening to promote small gang warfare, There are many things happening to promote blobs.
I'll miss you Awox, didnt know what pvp was untill I joined lot with you.
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Andrue
Hammers Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:06:00 -
[57]
Some good points raised there. I don't subscribe to many of them but I think it's a good post that the devs should give some thought to. At this stage I think (not unreasonably) that they are looking for bums-on-seats profit rather than niche three-people-and-a-dead-dog.
For me that's fine and I'm happy but I do think that combat has somehow gone wrong for a lot of people. I avoided it for the first three years and now that I'm trying to get into it I'm finding it frustrating. On the plus side I'm not really that bothered but I can understand why those that live for combat can get so annoyed.
WTZ is a tricky one. Personally I'd love to see it removed (and having the distance increase with security sounds cool) but too many people detest it. I spent three hours at the weekend picking up stuff from buy orders and found it quite cathartic. Unfortunately most people seem to get annoyed if they have to jump through more than two gates even with WTZ.
But anyhoo - everyone has to take a break eventually. So far my breaks have always been less than a week but time will tell. I've been playing more for the community and friends than for the game for long time. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran)
[Brackley, UK]
My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned. |

Kaar
Art of War
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Craig Crawford Tell someone who cares.
I care very much about this thread tyvm.
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Andrue
Hammers Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:10:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Luh Windan
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Honestly! All it does is giving the new players a hint of what to do! No game mechanics have been adjusted or changed to the easier because of this! All it does is to give new players a hint of how to do things! If you call adding manuals with a game of dumbing it down, sorry, then you are wildly mistaken!
Welcome screens are just the final straw - column headers and labels on buttons did it for me....you should have to work it out for yourself what things do
I could see the writing on the wall when they added support for graphics cards.  -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran)
[Brackley, UK]
My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned. |

Calypso's Wrath
Black Watch Legionnaires
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:56:00 -
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Personally I miss the old days.
Molden heath, MH-SEC, NMTZ, and infod.
I have MORE than a few of your corpse's.
Maybe instead of quitting, find a few like minded corps... pick an (small) area of space - set some ground rules... and get some mutual wardecs goin.
o/ Awox.
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