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Baun	Posted - 2004.04.12 22:07:00 - [151] Quote: Not a single word about coup d'etat Wrong. I quoted the official announcement that started this. Here is a link: Linkage The Enemy's Gate is Down
Nephilim Xeno	Posted - 2004.04.12 22:13:00 - [152] Quote: Hm.... ill post part of a log that i got yesterday talking with Lallante, concidering the nap was canceled with CA, now it seems it back ------------------------------------------------------------ Channelname: Lallante conversation Listener: Aneu Angellus Session started: 2004.04.11 17:48:03 ------------------------------------------------------------ [snip] [ 2004.04.11 17:55:29 ] Lallante > no we have a NAP [ 2004.04.11 17:55:39 ] Aneu Angellus > That nap was canceled [ 2004.04.11 17:55:43 ] Aneu Angellus > on our side [ 2004.04.11 17:56:03 ] Lallante > no it was reinitialised with Xanadi yesterday] Xanadu back up to their back-hand political tricks again, tut tut really funny considering that everytime i proposed a NAP with CA i got flamed to death by XAN and BIG people on the FA forums lol and just recently CA/C4 were still the evil pirates that are the arch enemy of the FA according to XAN and BIG things change fast or at least they seem to have changed ;)
Riddari	Posted - 2004.04.12 22:17:00 - [153] Quote: Quote: Not a single word about coup d'etat Wrong. I quoted the official announcement that started this. Here is a link: Linkage Wrong thread, also not an official announcement from the FA to the outside world. We are inside the thread which has the official announcement from the FA. No coup d'etat. Only talk about "dead weight" and troublemakers. ¼©¼ a history
Baun	Posted - 2004.04.12 22:20:00 - [154] Edited by: Baun on 12/04/2004 22:22:09 Wrong again. That was a statement from Grim. TornSoul may or may not have chosen to use the phrase coup d'eta (sic), but it was used in the initial official announcement (which was referenced in the post I linked you to). This post is an official announcement regarding the events of the first day. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Riddari	Posted - 2004.04.12 22:22:00 - [155] Quote: Wrong again. That was a statement from Grim. TornSoul may or may not have chosen to use the phrase coup d'eta (sic), but it was used in the official announcement. Name of thread: "FA public announcement" Come on Baun, make an effort. Honestly. I respected the ideaology behind EVE Marshals, try to stick to it. ¼©¼ a history
Baun	Posted - 2004.04.12 22:26:00 - [156] Edited by: Baun on 12/04/2004 22:28:36 You are being needlessly argumentative and pedantic. I linked you to a posting of the INITIAL (let me repeat this so you can read it nice and slowly I N I T I A L) announcement to the FA. In said announcement Grim, a CEO of Xanadu, referred to the action as a Coup. This was then posted for the rest of EVE and linked on news sites such as EVE-I. This thread is indeed an (as in A S I N G L E) public announcement that details the resolution as to who is staying in FA and who is not. Tournsoul accuratively described the resolution as FA undergoing repairs. These repairs resulted from an admitted coup. Now, before your foot is lodged irretrievably far into your mouth (if it is not already), just admit you were mistaken. Quote: Come on Baun, make an effort. Honestly. I respected the ideaology behind EVE Marshals, try to stick to it. What? So the EVE Marshals apparently stood for what in your mind? That it was not a coup but repairs? That part of your post seems almost entirely incoherent. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Riddari	Posted - 2004.04.12 22:31:00 - [157] Quote: Now, before your foot is lodged irretrievably far into your mouth (if it is not already), just admit you were mistaken. What? So the EVE Marshals apparently stood for what in your mind? That it was not a coup but repairs? That part of your post seems almost entirely incoherent. Honor. That's what I thought at first. These actions and defending them goes against that. My bad. As for my mouth and my foot, my feet are always on the ground but thank you for your concern. ¼©¼ a history
Baun	Posted - 2004.04.12 22:38:00 - [158] Edited by: Baun on 12/04/2004 22:44:18 Ahh so me correcting your idiotic adherence to 5(?) consecutive incorrect statements is, apparently, dishonorable. Otherwise you just made a conclusion without stating your premises until afterwards (which apparently is just what you admittedly did). I would classify intentional disrupting and subverting an alliance you committed to serve and protect as lacking in honor. EVE Marshals and the rest of the core of FA participated in what we percieved to be an honorable and neccesary action for the betterment and protection of everyone in the reconstituted FA. If you want a more complete reply, Insane Angel can give you one. Judging from the fact that you consider something called FA Public Announcement to be the ONLY FA ANNOUNCEMENT EVER (when in fact it was an announcement that by its very nature neccesarily followed from an initial one), I would say that your feet on not firmly planted in the ground but rather that you are floating amongst the clouds. Can you honestly be so obtuse as to be unable to follow what I was telling you? The Enemy's Gate is Down
Riddari	Posted - 2004.04.12 22:47:00 - [159] Baun. You called me being pedantic, I'm not. Grims statement was an internal FA memo, not an official statement from the FA. This is the official statement. I really am getting tired of hammering this into your head but you continue to call me pedantic while going off on a really good pedspree yourself. This is the FA announcement. This was a coup d'etat. There is no way any future or present corporations can be assured of another not happening again. The Coupettes are trying to mask that fact with their smacktalk about those that left or were forced out. I want the truth to be known. Very very very very simple. Really really drop this matter, I know where my feet are and I'm not about to go into a "handbags at 10 paces" with you. ¼©¼ a history
Temujin Destovai	Posted - 2004.04.12 22:51:00 - [160] I hate to get involved in this, especially with an outsider such as Riddari who obviously has no insight into the situation at hand or nor into the events which preceeded this so called "outrage". Yet with this going on into thread number 5 now and Riddari still yapping behind the FA's heels, I shall on the one hand let myself get baited into replying while on the other constraining myself to this post where I point out that while without proper background information its quite understandable why you might react as such, that for any person with insight to internal workings of the FA in last months this move is not only understandable, and backable, but also inevitable. Your wanton trolling simply makes you look foolish, since you clearly dont have the slightest shimmer of what really transpired. And no there will not be any justification from our side. The people affected know the reasons, and that suffices. The Chronicles of Xanadu
Baun	Posted - 2004.04.12 22:53:00 - [161] Quote: Baun. You called me being pedantic, I'm not. Grims statement was an internal FA memo, not an official statement from the FA. This is the official statement. I really am getting tired of hammering this into your head but you continue to call me pedantic while going off on a really good pedspree yourself. This is the FA announcement. This was a coup d'etat. There is no way any future or present corporations can be assured of another not happening again. The Coupettes are trying to mask that fact with their smacktalk about those that left or were forced out. I want the truth to be known. Very very very very simple. Really really drop this matter, I know where my feet are and I'm not about to go into a "handbags at 10 paces" with you. In as much as the first statement was released to the public it constituted an official statement. As such TornSoul (as you may have noticed, presuming, though doubtful, that you actually read the first post in this thread) did not need to repeat what was already said. You claim the reconstituted FA did not admit to a Coup. Do you deny that in the first statement that was released that the action was referred to as a coup? Do you deny that this statement was released and posted on the boards and on other news sites? Do you deny that reposting the entirety of the first statement would have served no purpose? Do you deny that out of the context of the first statement that anyone who was not involved would have little idea as to what actually happened? You are just being foolishly stubborn. You posted that we won't admit it was a coup, when we did. No one disputes the fact that in this thread (an announcement regarding which corps are remaining) that it was not referred to specifically as a coup. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Remo Williams	Posted - 2004.04.12 22:54:00 - [162] guys, give up the flame war....Baun has been an outstanding member of FA for.....oh....less than a month? He knows WAAAAAY more than you Riddari, since you were there since the day FA was created. This thread is ***ing me up. Typical FA, constantly trying to present things a million different ways, all in feable attempts to justify their BS behaviour. Watch how many people flame me after this post. Watch how they drag up from the past, over exaggerate events, (Like my losses during the war).....anything to dilute the dirty water they are currently sitting in and deflect the spotlight off of them. Keep running your mouths....I will gladly link to this thread some time from now, when FA is busted, Evo has moved on (because the area no longer "is in the corps best interest/or Xan stopped paying them) and all those folks you have ed off in the past, and present are united under a rev0luti0n and have taken FA space. Flame away....we will refer to this thread in the near future. f3ar teh Rev0luti0n** http://www.hydr4.com
Baun	Posted - 2004.04.12 22:58:00 - [163] Quote: guys, give up the flame war....Baun has been an outstanding member of FA for.....oh....less than a month? He knows WAAAAAY more than you Riddari, since you were there since the day FA was created. Completely irrelevant. Indeed, you don't even need to play EVE, or have any idea what this is about in order to know that he is adhering to a falsehood. All that one requires is the ability to read. If one posseses this ability one knows that the FA referred to the incident as a coup and that Ridarri here insists that they did not. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Leto VanTong	Posted - 2004.04.12 22:59:00 - [164] Nice to see that someone has finally taken away the tittle of "Best Drama" away from Venal. Good show. Keep it up and good luck to both sides on whatever their next move is.
Baun	Posted - 2004.04.12 23:01:00 - [165] I think their incident comprised more of a breakdown than this one. The FA remains strong and for all intents and purposes compltely intact. It is only trolling fools like Ridarri that drag this out. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Riddari	Posted - 2004.04.12 23:05:00 - [166] Quote: I hate to get involved in this, especially with an outsider such as Riddari who obviously has no insight into the situation at hand or nor into the events which preceeded this so called "outrage". Yet with this going on into thread number 5 now and Riddari still yapping behind the FA's heels I thought you were better at this than that Temujin. I have been watching the situation unfold for a while, the HHI CEO was very good at relaying to the members logs from the meetings, major topics going on in the forums etc. Furthermore I remarkably for a heel-snapper still have people inside and outside Fountain that relay information to me. Also funnily enough history does matter. But the great Xanadu PR machine has deemed me a heel-snapper so I'm obviously clueless. I hate to bring RL into this but is your first name Condolezza? ¼©¼ a history
Riddari	Posted - 2004.04.12 23:07:00 - [167] Quote: It is only trolling fools like Ridarri that drag this out. Co-ordinated effort from FA now on attacking me personally So I guess I go from "future pass" to "KOS" now? Honestly guys. ¼©¼ a history
Baun	Posted - 2004.04.12 23:10:00 - [168] Edited by: Baun on 12/04/2004 23:12:06 Way to dodge a list of specific questions. Continue being willfully ignorant if you so choose. I would, however, suggest that if you are going to ignore FA statements and instead develope an acute case of selective literacy, you be more imaginative. I can't imagine anyone other than me has the patience to read me repeat to you 6 times why you are wrong and already have acknowledged that you posses the information to know you are wrong. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Temujin Destovai	Posted - 2004.04.12 23:13:00 - [169] Quote: I thought you were better at this than that Temujin. I have been watching the situation unfold for a while, *the HHI CEO* was very good at relaying to the members logs from the meetings, major topics going on in the forums etc**. And thats how you saved me the problem of thinking up my own reply As I said.. your obviously about as informed on the situation as the HHI memberbase, revol memberbase, Hvi memberbase, etc.. The Chronicles of Xanadu
Riddari	Posted - 2004.04.12 23:14:00 - [170] Quote: Way to dodge a list of specific questions. Continue being willfully ignorant if you so choose. I would, however, suggest that if you are going to ignore FA statements and instead read whatever you want, you be more imaginative. Quote: Do you deny that in the first statement that was released that the action was referred to as a coup? That was an internal statement. No I don't deny it. Quote: Do you deny that this statement was released and posted on the boards and on other news sites? It was released by people outside the new FA. Hence not an official statement. Quote: Do you deny that reposting the entirety of the first statement would have served no purpose? You have to ask Grim about that. Quote: Do you deny that out of the context of the first statement that anyone who was not involved would have little idea as to what actually happened? What? So by stating in one post that (for example) "I am a little corpthief" and then in another "Hard working player looking for corp" I would be making all the facts known for those reading the second psot? Dodge that Pedantic Boy. It's time for bed for me, lets see how far this goes until tomorrow. I'm betting 11 pages and a lock ¼©¼ a history
DREAMWORKS	Posted - 2004.04.12 23:15:00 - [171] If a corporation doesn't contribute enough, then it shouldnt be in an alliance. I wish more alliances would do that, would create more allies and more potent targets. __________________________ http://www.nin.com/visuals/thtf_hi.html
Riddari	Posted - 2004.04.12 23:16:00 - [172] Quote: And thats how you saved me the problem of thinking up my own reply As I said.. your obviously about as informed on the situation as the HHI memberbase, revol memberbase, Hvi memberbase, etc.. Read the rest of my post The first part stated how I knew of the tension on-going in the Alliance meetings, the screaming and shouting, the weird agendas, the recounts, the abstains, the hostilty and what ever there went on. I think this thread contains a nice topic about how effective the meetings were for the last few weeks. As for know about the coup beforehand, no I didn't. But the rest is easy to get intell on now. ¼©¼ a history
Riddari	Posted - 2004.04.12 23:17:00 - [173] Quote: If a corporation doesn't contribute enough, then it shouldnt be in an alliance. I wish more alliances would do that, would create more allies and more potent targets. A whole corporation fighting for 53 days or so non-stop is contribution. But your choice is to believe those who scream loudest or those that put forward the facts and the figures. I guess you have your ears ringing with the screams. ¼©¼ a history
Argon	Posted - 2004.04.12 23:18:00 - [174] Presumably, Riddari, its worse than that, based upon the FA's new idea of holding corps responsible for members actions on forums, JF will be on the receiving end of another few wars in the coming days :> as to the Eve-martials dude who keeps posting, there was no obvious reference to any coup, the announcement here was the first i had seen of any public announcement of changes in the FA. As no mention of a coup was present in said announcement, i could infer (were i cynical and suspicous) that you were trying to mislead the readers of this forum through a peice of PR, attempting to beat those you have 'kicked' to the punch in the new smackwar which will no doubt hit these forums. As i am neither cynical or suspicous, i am shure this was never the intention of the original poster.
Baun	Posted - 2004.04.12 23:25:00 - [175] Edited by: Baun on 12/04/2004 23:27:32 Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do you deny that in the first statement that was released that the action was referred to as a coup? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That was an internal statement. No I don't deny it. Ok so we have established that you recognized that the FA in a statement made public, whether intentionally or not (from the response to that post I don't think anyone cared), admitted it was a coup. Quote: quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do you deny that this statement was released and posted on the boards and on other news sites? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It was released by people outside the new FA. Hence not an official statement. Regardless of its origin, once released it is no longer effectively an internal statement. Any information it contained was public knowledge. Included in this information was the fact that the reconstituted FA was being formed via a coup. Quote: quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do you deny that reposting the entirety of the first statement would have served no purpose? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You have to ask Grim about that. Why would I have to ask Grim? The first statement was made public and posted multiple places. Would it have made any sense to then repost it and tack this announcement on? No. Just check EVE-I. They treated both statements as effectively public and properly tacked this statement to the bottom of the last statement. Quote: quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do you deny that out of the context of the first statement that anyone who was not involved would have little idea as to what actually happened? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What? So by stating in one post that (for example) "I am a little corpthief" and then in another "Hard working player looking for corp" I would be making all the facts known for those reading the second psot? I think you misinterpreted what I said. I was stating that if one had no read the first statement then one would have no context in which to interpret this statement. That is to say that this statement does not stand alone. Rather, it serves as an addendum to the firs statement. This can be clearly seen in that the first statement explains the conflict and details the options of the corporations involved, while this statement states the end result. If someone asked me: "Baun what did you have for lunch today?" and I replied "two slices of pizza" are you really denying that the "two slices of pizza" statement is, by itself, incoherent? You cannot deny this, and you therefore cannot deny that this statement implicitly serves as an addendum to the earlier statement and that as such the FA publically admitted that the action was a coup. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Baun	Posted - 2004.04.12 23:28:00 - [176] Quote: the announcement here was the first i had seen of any public announcement of changes in the FA You missed an earlier locked thread wherein an FA memo was publically announced. In this memo the action was declared a Coup by those involved. This announcement is an announcement relating to the resolution of this Coup. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Kakalot	Posted - 2004.04.12 23:31:00 - [177] Baun i didn't read any of your last post haha. All i've been saying is, we knew you had a coup. But the way you posted on forum, it doesn't look that way, as someone has stated above and above haha. Baun, let it rest, and go play the game :P ________________________________________________________ http://users.pandora.be/zebras/Kakalot.jpg
Argon	Posted - 2004.04.12 23:34:00 - [178] Quote: Quote: the announcement here was the first i had seen of any public announcement of changes in the FA You missed an earlier locked thread wherein an FA memo was publically announced. In this memo the action was declared a Coup by those involved. This announcement is an announcement relating to the resolution of this Coup. Fair enough, but i would have expected there to have been continuity in the use of langauge between announcements. Not everyone who reads the boards does/is able to read every single thread. Therefore the point that this post would appear to be attempting to put a positive spin on the events therefore stands.
Baun	Posted - 2004.04.12 23:35:00 - [179] Edited by: Baun on 12/04/2004 23:37:34 Quote: Baun i didn't read any of your last post haha. All i've been saying is, we knew you had a coup. But the way you posted on forum, it doesn't look that way, as someone has stated above and above haha. Baun, let it rest, and go play the game :P Well, as you said, you didn't read what I just wrote. It explains in detail why we didn't need to repeat the first statement, which contained the description of the event as a coup. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Baun	Posted - 2004.04.12 23:36:00 - [180] Edited by: Baun on 12/04/2004 23:44:33 Quote: Fair enough, but i would have expected there to have been continuity in the use of langauge between announcements. Not everyone who reads the boards does/is able to read every single thread. Therefore the point that this post would appear to be attempting to put a positive spin on the events therefore stands. That is a fair assesment. One has to keep in mind, however, that the statements were written by two different individuals and that the second statement had little need to refer to the coup itself as it was a summary of its results more than anything else. I think the idea that the event needed a possitive spin assumes a negative view of it. In my mind the post would have been unchanged by the inclusion of the word coup. The Enemy's Gate is Down

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