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KOS Ex-Members THESE ARE THE ONLY EX-CORPS YOU FIRE ON!
Confederation of the Red Moon - CoRM
Critical Mass Enterprises - CME
Harbinger Heavy Industries - HHI
HeartVenom Inc. - HVI
Luna Rossa Corporation - LRC

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NO WARNING WAS GIVEN.

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Two questions for TornSoul:

1) How can it be described as "repairs" if a democratic alliance is torn apart with military might and other strong-arm tactics. (oh and best wishes to Jazz who I initially got into contact with TornSoul weeks ago).

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Edited by: TornSoul on 11/04/2004 22:50:53
I'm not going to get into an arguement back and forth here, but I will answer the above.

How can it be described as "repairs"
(sorry to use an anology but..)
If you cars engine is not working as it should - What do you do?
You repair it.
This might include replacing broken parts.
But it's still the same old car

How can the new members and future members be sure that they will not be "repaired" themselves ?
Theres only one way - Show dedication to XANADU.
Failing that - Yes they'll get 'repaired'.
That goes for everyone (NOT including BIG, Xan etc).
Membership of the FA is *not* a free ride.

And it's not an automatic lifetime membership either.
When you get a job you dont stop working either do you?
If you do... You wont have that job for long.

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ex-FA Marshall
SithEwok

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How can it be described as "repairs"
(sorry to use an anology but..)
If you cars engine is not working as it should - What do you do?
You repair it.
This might include replacing broken parts.
But it's still the same old car

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Actually Fluid. It was not decided by Xan and Big, it was decided by all the corps who made up the core of what stayed (about 10 corps or something) and we all got a vote. We voted this afternoon on each corp.

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It's really more like throwing the drunks out of backseat because we're tired of the seats smelling of vomit.

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I often repair my car by chainsawing off its gastank, wingmirrors and steering wheel, then coating them in petrol and then setting them alight. Then stomping on them every time i see them. Dont you?

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It's really more like throwing the drunks out of backseat because we're tired of the seats smelling of vomit.

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Nice alt post. If you are Xanadu, Detaitiv, I guess it shows to the long-term players of Eve exactly what your corporation stands for. Thank you for making it perfectly clear to the masses.

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How can it be described as "repairs"
(sorry to use an anology but..)
If you cars engine is not working as it should - What do you do?
You repair it.
This might include replacing broken parts.
But it's still the same old car

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b]KOS Ex-Members THESE ARE THE ONLY EX-CORPS YOU FIRE ON![/b]
Confederation of the Red Moon - CoRM
Critical Mass Enterprises - CME
Harbinger Heavy Industries - HHI
HeartVenom Inc. - HVI
Luna Rossa Corporation - LRC
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Now why would CME be put on KOS. They did nothing aggressive to your so called "NEW FA" Well, doesn't matter to me anymore, Left CME that night because of disagreements with my directors and you'll be seeing me quite a bit in fountain I'll let you figure that one out for yourselves!

Sabercat out!!!!

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Well i never in particular liked FA. However i can respect an alliance who will cut out the deadwood and trim the fat..so to speak.

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Ahh you finally had the balls to attack?

Bravo it only took you 8 hours of sitting in Hophib (during 2 of which you had a 2:1 advantage).

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you didnt read sun tzu yet or ?
He states somewhere fighting 8 vs 20 isnt smart.
Maybe you will learn this lesson.

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Ahh you finally had the balls to attack?

Bravo it only took you 8 hours of sitting in Hophib (during 2 of which you had a 2:1 advantage).

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Why attack then when we have most of your fleet held up in D4KU and we can do what we want when we want... we dont engage on your terms... we dont fight on your terms... we faught on our own terms when the time was right, we choose right, you ran.. So much for the current 'might' of the NEW FOUNTAIN ALLIANCE huh?

Aneu

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I don't think Aneu knows that Eve has multiple solar systems in it.

So posts this Xan alt

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Ahh you finally had the balls to attack?

Bravo it only took you 8 hours of sitting in Hophib (during 2 of which you had a 2:1 advantage).

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Why attack then when we have most of your fleet held up in D4KU and we can do what we want when we want... we dont engage on your terms... we dont fight on your terms... we faught on our own terms when the time was right, we choose right, you ran.. So much for the current 'might' of the NEW FOUNTAIN ALLIANCE huh?

Aneu

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You are mental right? We had 60? ships in YZ-lql the entire day. At one point you had 12 (yes 12) ships in hophib. We had 4 frigates and 4 battleships in d4ku. I know for a fact that you had more than 6 battleships, no frigates, and several cruisers.

I guess your terms are dicated by having more than a 2:1 advantage. Good luck doing anything more than camping an empty gateway system with those terms.

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Excuse me but are you blind? Can you read?

Ill repeat for you... we fight on our terms, not others... we fight when we wish to fight, not when others feel the need to...

We may have had more ships in Hop, but so what? We were busy hunting your miners... lol... their good at running i must admit.

Aneu

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Needless to say, you didnt prove anything. We left because staying is suicide which will prove nothing on our part.

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Edited by: Insane Angel on 12/04/2004 03:20:53
Last I checked we were referred to ourselves as the FA, not the NFA. That "originality" as stated by you, comes from you not us.

Aneu. It was fun sitting there waiting for you to come and watch 8 BSs shoot up 22 BSs and watch as 3 of your BSs warp away with heavy damage. (smart ofc) Needless to say, you didnt prove anything. We left because staying is suicide which will prove nothing on our part.

Remo wasnt leading our force, someone with skill and thoughtfulness had the courage to lead an outnumbered force that inflicted damage without suffering any losses at all.

NPCs are in the belts, have fun with them. Those will be your only victories.

Insane Angel
CEO EVE Marshals
Proud Member of the FA.

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Two questions for TornSoul:


How can the new members and future members be sure that they will not be "repaired" themselves ?
Theres only one way - Show dedication to the FA.
Failing that - Yes they'll get 'repaired'.
That goes for everyone (including BIG, Xan etc).
Membership of the FA is *not* a free ride.

And it's not an automatic lifetime membership either.
When you get a job you dont stop working either do you?
If you do... You wont have that job for long.

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BULL !!!!!!!!!!

Although Freedom Foundation was 1 of the smallest corps in the old alliance we consistantly supplied defence for the region whenever needed. Every member of our corp online at times of emergency went to every fight since the beginning. I remember times when out 20 member corp fielded more BattleShips for defence of Fountain than any other corp in the alliance with the exception of EVOL. We would have 9-10 BS defending while the much larger corps including BIG and Xan sent 3-4 while their other members continued to mine. Yet, because we have not had a large presence in fountain in the last few weeks, we were summarily removed from the alliance.

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BULL !!!!!!!!!!

Although Freedom Foundation was 1 of the smallest corps in the old alliance we consistantly supplied defence for the region whenever needed. Every member of our corp online at times of emergency went to every fight since the beginning. I remember times when out 20 member corp fielded more BattleShips for defence of Fountain than any other corp in the alliance with the exception of EVOL. We would have 9-10 BS defending while the much larger corps including BIG and Xan sent 3-4 while their other members continued to mine. Yet, because we have not had a large presence in fountain in the last few weeks, we were summarily removed from the alliance.

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How can it be described as "repairs"
(sorry to use an anology but..)
If you cars engine is not working as it should - What do you do?
You repair it.
This might include replacing broken parts.
But it's still the same old car

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Im glad we got the fight on FRAPS... we can now proove that the CEO of EveMarshals is a blatant lier... thank you.

None of our ships suffered heavy damage, i warped to my alt placed in the d4k system 1au behind your position, only to warp back in ontop of you, by which time you had warped.

So please dont go making up complete and utter bollox... you didnt harm any of ours ships.

Tnx
Aneu

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I don't think Aneu knows that Eve has multiple solar systems in it.

So posts this Xan alt

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We had 60? ships in YZ-lql the entire day.

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To me, this was the first failure, one of many, of the FA Council. The FA were hypocrites, condemning corporate thefts only if FA corporate members did not commit them. Yet, all corporations defended HHI vigorously attacks. They all kept the word in mutually defending one another, even though the majority of them despised corporate thefts. FA finally did the right thing and threw these scum bags out of the alliance. It was four months to late though and the damage has been done. I hope the new alliance has the honor and dignity to apologize to SIM and the rest of the Eve community for aiding and abetting the corporate thieving scum that reside in HVI and Rev0lution.

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What about the Techell theft? I recall a person from Aggressive Faction Defence Technologies helped with the theft in a way since he moved the ships and then stole ships from the original theif and that led to Agent Shield stealing from Aggressive Faction Defence Technologies. Quick to forget are we?

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Unfortunately, because there were so many deadweight corporations that refused to vote "yes" to ANY change in the alliance because it would require them to actually contribute that such a measure could not pass.

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Ronyo, you know the voting rules, and Muaddid stated it an infinite amount of times...

Abstain = No in these types of votes.

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Yes, you had 60 ships in YZ podding members of corps you were told not to atatck even if they were just flying around in shuttles. At least one member of INDEP who are clearly on your "Friendly ex-mamber" list was podded in his shuttle by Psygognis from Xanadu with a 1400mm cannon on a Tempest. How brave of him.

Drahcir Nasom

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I don't think Aneu knows that Eve has multiple solar systems in it.

So posts this Xan alt

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Eris, I'm still wondering if you're single?



Your not minmatar love so even if I was single, you had no chance

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What about the Techell theft? I recall a person from Aggressive Faction Defence Technologies helped with the theft in a way since he moved the ships and then stole ships from the original theif and that led to Agent Shield stealing from Aggressive Faction Defence Technologies. Quick to forget are we?

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Absurd,

You're mistaken. Please get your facts straight before you make accusations like this in the future. If you make this accusation again, would provide some evidence to back it up?

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Edited by: Lyzander on 12/04/2004 16:03:36

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What about the Techell theft? I recall a person from Aggressive Faction Defence Technologies helped with the theft in a way since he moved the ships and then stole ships from the original theif and that led to Agent Shield stealing from Aggressive Faction Defence Technologies. Quick to forget are we?

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Absurd,

You're mistaken. Please get your facts straight before you make accusations like this in the future. If you make this accusation again, would provide some evidence to back it up?

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Laughing my posterior off.

Keep telling yourself that it isnt true Solwolf, because I personally guarantee it that that story of an AFDT member stealing from the Techell thief is 100% true... And unlike certain pilots (cough cough YZ gankers) I live up to my word.

FOL1, thank you for your kind offer. I am glad to see that there are still some trustworthy people in the New Fountain Alliance. I will message you shortly.

EDIT: Wrote FA instead of NFA. My bad.

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*chuckle*

I personally know the AFDT member OOG who committed said acts.
I don't agree with what he did, but I do know him, and know that he did infact assist then steal from the Techell thief (forgot his name).

Get to know your members better.

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I never said that.

The theft occured when ss vegito was still in afhi.

ss vegito never did join afdt which is just a merged group of pulsar and afhi.

Although ss vegito has an invite from you personally saying hes welcome to join anytime he wishes...

Sine I dont have a screenshot of that invite you can just lie about it.But we both know the truth.

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to:

TornSoul,Dyvim ,Entity,Calmity Jayne,Ensidious,Xtra Bitter,FSR *****OriPeck,Tassadar Beta,Gurex,Porter Hadlend,Raevil Decatius,Dhan,Kotz,Sirrius Du'Bahr:


you all who put this up here:

exactly WHY did you put our corp on kos ???

i heard several rumors so far - but no statement from you guys

- Neph (who joined us only weeks ago and is not even active in corp) badmouthed you in forums ???
- Zotigh(LRC) didnt talk the way you liked it either ???
- we payed a pirate corp to attack FA ??? ( wtf ? - but that was the best one i heard so far..)


so:

exactly WHY did you put our corp on kos ???

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and who are you teewii ?

and what message your trying to bring accross ?

you say its ok to put a corp on kos cause anybody didnt like what one member of the corp posted on forum ?

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Ferocious...The ceo of afhi and now co ceo of afdt knew before it was done.And thought it was quite funny.Only person in the corp that had a problem with it that I know of is you.Supposedly agent shield.And I dont think metal dude liked it too much although I think the fact that it was a thief who was robbed made him not care too much.

Continue spinning solwolf.Youll continue to look like a moron to those who know what REALLY happened.

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Well, this is from an independent voice and I do admit I don’t know much, but from what I’m reading, looks like FA kicked the right people from their alliance. If these people are that resentful now, they must have been that way before they got booted.[...]

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Many of the things the new FA has said and done simply do not add up. The 30 minute evacuation time, the wide reports of friendly fire and mistaken instructions, the high pod kill numbers in the area, Evol's statements on their place in all of this, etc. do not indicate that the current FA is quite as benevolent or quite as well held together as they say they are.

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Well, this is from an independent voice and I do admit I donÆt know much, but from what IÆm reading, looks like FA kicked the right people from their alliance. If these people are that resentful now, they must have been that way before they got booted.[...]

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Well, I have dealt with the office politics of real world workplaces. Otherwise dedicated and hard working employees tend to become *very* angry when they feel they are being backstabbed by other divisions.

I know I interned at a large company some time ago, where two of the divisions had gotten into a power struggle over the project I had ended up assigned to, and ti was causing significant rifts in the project. Many of the people involved were very angry about what was happening, yet they were still pulling then-twelve hour days, most without over time, because they were also dedicated to the company, and the project.

I was the intern, I was not involved. All I did was my job, and all I did was I watched. I'm seeing a lot of the same sort of emotions here that I saw over in that mess, the difference being in Eve, there is also the political aspect, where one can openly oppose a situation and actively petition others for support, meaning that the people who feel wronged are doing more than just quietly fuming.

Many of the things the new FA has said and done simply do not add up. The 30 minute evacuation time, the wide reports of friendly fire and mistaken instructions, the high pod kill numbers in the area, Evol's statements on their place in all of this, etc. do not indicate that the current FA is quite as benevolent or quite as well held together as they say they are.

However, my backround on the situation is admittedly limited, so I can always be wrong. I may have my opnions on the matter, but I shall adhere to my corp's stance on the situation, and I do belive that C4 will sit this one out, and as such, so shall I.

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Guess which ones are the ones that are let go first when layoffs or cutbacks are in order? Disgruntled ones. It might not be fair and they might be more qualified then the people that are staying, but the disruptive troublemaker reputation can hurt you. ThatÆs just how it is.

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Well, this is from an independent voice and I do admit I donÆt know much, but from what IÆm reading, looks like FA kicked the right people from their alliance. If these people are that resentful now, they must have been that way before they got booted.

They must have been a disruptive factor in an alliance and that alone is reason enough to kick them out. If you have a disgruntled employee that keeps bad mouthing you and not producing on the job, are you going to keep paying him for that or are you going to fire him? Look at all the insults and threads started by them. Expulsion must have been deserved.

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Edited by: Aerick Dawn on 12/04/2004 19:31:29
coup d'tat (N.)
Forcible takeover of the government of a country by elements from within that country, generally carried out by violent or illegal means. It differs from a revolution in typically being carried out by a small group (for example, of army officers or opposition politicians) to install its leader as head of government, rather than being a mass uprising by the people.

So far I have heard from none of these people you've reimbursed.

Number of people podded hours after the announcement

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Hm.... ill post part of a log that i got yesterday talking with Lallante, concidering the nap was canceled with CA, now it seems it back



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Channelname: Lallante conversation
Listener: Aneu Angellus
Session started: 2004.04.11 17:48:03

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[ 2004.04.11 17:55:29 ] Lallante > no we have a NAP
[ 2004.04.11 17:55:39 ] Aneu Angellus > That nap was canceled
[ 2004.04.11 17:55:43 ] Aneu Angellus > on our side
[ 2004.04.11 17:56:03 ] Lallante > no it was reinitialised with Xanadi yesterday]

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Hm.... ill post part of a log that i got yesterday talking with Lallante, concidering the nap was canceled with CA, now it seems it back



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Channelname: Lallante conversation
Listener: Aneu Angellus
Session started: 2004.04.11 17:48:03

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[ 2004.04.11 17:55:29 ] Lallante > no we have a NAP
[ 2004.04.11 17:55:39 ] Aneu Angellus > That nap was canceled
[ 2004.04.11 17:55:43 ] Aneu Angellus > on our side
[ 2004.04.11 17:56:03 ] Lallante > no it was reinitialised with Xanadi yesterday]

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Aneu, after reading some of your posts you don't seem to be one of the smartest chaps in this game. FA is restructuring, only a fool would try to make more enemies during that time. What Xanadu did was politically the smartest thing to do.

On a sidenote I would like you to post the entire log of that conversation as I am putting 1 mil ISK on the fact you were trying to persuade Lallante into attacking the FA. Wanna accept the bet?

Regards,

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Session started: 2004.04.11 17:48:03

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[ 2004.04.11 17:55:29 ] Lallante > no we have a NAP
[ 2004.04.11 17:55:39 ] Aneu Angellus > That nap was canceled
[ 2004.04.11 17:55:43 ] Aneu Angellus > on our side
[ 2004.04.11 17:56:03 ] Lallante > no it was reinitialised with Xanadi yesterday]

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Aneu, after reading some of your posts you don't seem to be one of the smartest chaps in this game. FA is restructuring, only a fool would try to make more enemies during that time. What Xanadu did was politically the smartest thing to do.

On a sidenote I would like you to post the entire log of that conversation as I am putting 1 mil ISK on the fact you were trying to persuade Lallante into attacking the FA. Wanna accept the bet?

Regards,

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Again, dont feel like quoting the entire post.
Haha someone actually spent time collecting these figures ingame. It amuses me when some ppl scan the forum words for words to make a post :) In this case, you used the wording of a dictionary to prove your point, although i dont know what that point is other than "WE'RE BIGGER N STRONGER THAN J00"

I hope you are aware that it's not a matter of comparing two integer numbers. Have you considered other factors like timezones, activity, combat pilots, and warfare tactics?

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[ 2004.04.11 17:55:29 ] Lallante > no we have a NAP
[ 2004.04.11 17:55:39 ] Aneu Angellus > That nap was canceled
[ 2004.04.11 17:55:43 ] Aneu Angellus > on our side
[ 2004.04.11 17:56:03 ] Lallante > no it was reinitialised with Xanadi yesterday]

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Aneu, after reading some of your posts you don't seem to be one of the smartest chaps in this game. FA is restructuring, only a fool would try to make more enemies during that time. What Xanadu did was politically the smartest thing to do.

On a sidenote I would like you to post the entire log of that conversation as I am putting 1 mil ISK on the fact you were trying to persuade Lallante into attacking the FA. Wanna accept the bet?

Regards,

Sir WC

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Persuade? I think not

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Lol!!! im so gona do that! lol!

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In the words of a great pirate: End yourself!

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I have the excuse of having been closely involved with the matters of Fountain for nearly a year now, thats why I butt in.

What excuse does the aptly named Walking Contradiction have?

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Again, dont feel like quoting the entire post.
Haha someone actually spent time collecting these figures ingame. It amuses me when some ppl scan the forum words for words to make a post :) In this case, you used the wording of a dictionary to prove your point, although i dont know what that point is other than "WE'RE BIGGER N STRONGER THAN J00"

I hope you are aware that it's not a matter of comparing two
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Ladies and Gentlemen I present to you a Coup DÆetat.

The Following Corporations present a re-founded and re-paired Fountain Alliance to you.

4s
BIG
CoV
DE
Evem
FinFleet
Hirr
SSC
Xanadu

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As everyone is probably already aware, FA has undergone some repairs, so I'll make this brief.
The result of this repair phase is some corps leaving the FA.
Thankfully most on good terms.

The list is as follows

Full Member Corporations
4S Corporation - 4S
Aggressive Faction Defence Technologies - AFDT
BIG - BIG
Cold Fusion Inc. - CFI
Core Domination - TCD
Covenant - COV
Damage Inc - DMG
Dark Empire - DE
EVE Marshalls - EVEM
Finfleet - FINFL
Free-Space-Ranger - FSR
Heavy Metal Mining and Manufacturing - HMMM
hirr - HIRR
Shattered Star Confederation - SHATT/SSC
X-Factor Industries - XFI
Xanadu - XAN

Trial Period Members
Anodyne Corporation - ADC
Danger Incorporated - DNG
Jazz Associates - JAZZ
Nergal Heavy Industries - NHI
S-44 - S-44

Peaceful Ex-Members
Carbide Industries - CAR
Cutting Edge Incorporated - CEI
Freedom Foundation - TFF
Independent Manufacturers - INDEP
Resurrection - REZ
The Phobia - TPH

KOS Ex-Members THESE ARE THE ONLY EX-CORPS YOU FIRE ON!
Confederation of the Red Moon - CoRM
Critical Mass Enterprises - CME
Harbinger Heavy Industries - HHI
HeartVenom Inc. - HVI
Luna Rossa Corporation - LRC


During the repair phase Fountain space was locked down - everyone was ordered to dock or risk getting shot down - As we had no idea how 'ugly' the situation would turn out, and we wanted to reduce 'mistaken' casualties.
This was not avoided 100%, 3-5 'mistaken' kills happened.
Considering the amount of pilots in space the amount of mistaken kills could have been *alot* worse.
We had indeed predicted it to be alot worse than the reported 3-5 kills - We are very happy this didnt happen.

We expected the lockdown-state to endure for the better part of a week until the repairs was carried out.

Thankfully, mostly due to the peacefull cooperation of those asked to leave, the repairs has already been completed.

Becuase of this we are as of now lifting any of the imposed restrictions.

FA is back to 'business as usual'.

This means that FA is again issuing passes, and those who already have passes are free to use them.

Be cautioned though!!!
The FA is still in a state of alert, as we fully expect to be attacked by those not leaving peacefully (and their new friends) once they get organized.

Time will show if this will actually happen on a larger scale or not.

Until then : Business as usual in the FA.

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It's ammusing how little come people really know, or think they know...

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And this is coming from you? *LAUGHS*

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uhh, did you fail to read the announcement? or were you referring to Techell's desire to have or not have a FA coup?

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As everyone is probably already aware, FA has undergone some repairs, so I'll make this brief.
The result of this repair phase is some corps leaving the FA.
Thankfully most on good terms.

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Not a single word about coup d'etat

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Hm.... ill post part of a log that i got yesterday talking with Lallante, concidering the nap was canceled with CA, now it seems it back



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Channelname: Lallante conversation
Listener: Aneu Angellus
Session started: 2004.04.11 17:48:03

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[ 2004.04.11 17:55:29 ] Lallante > no we have a NAP
[ 2004.04.11 17:55:39 ] Aneu Angellus > That nap was canceled
[ 2004.04.11 17:55:43 ] Aneu Angellus > on our side
[ 2004.04.11 17:56:03 ] Lallante > no it was reinitialised with Xanadi yesterday]

Xanadu back up to their back-hand political tricks again, tut tut

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Not a single word about coup d'etat

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Wrong. I quoted the official announcement that started this.

Here is a link:

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Wrong again. That was a statement from Grim.

TornSoul may or may not have chosen to use the phrase coup d'eta (sic), but it was used in the official announcement.

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Come on Baun, make an effort. Honestly. I respected the ideaology behind EVE Marshals, try to stick to it.

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Now, before your foot is lodged irretrievably far into your mouth (if it is not already), just admit you were mistaken.

What? So the EVE Marshals apparently stood for what in your mind? That it was not a coup but repairs?

That part of your post seems almost entirely incoherent.

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Baun.

You called me being pedantic, I'm not. Grims statement was an internal FA memo, not an official statement from the FA. This is the official statement.

I really am getting tired of hammering this into your head but you continue to call me pedantic while going off on a really good pedspree yourself.

This is the FA announcement. This was a coup d'etat. There is no way any future or present corporations can be assured of another not happening again. The Coupettes are trying to mask that fact with their smacktalk about those that left or were forced out. I want the truth to be known. Very very very very simple.

Really really drop this matter, I know where my feet are and I'm not about to go into a "handbags at 10 paces" with you.

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guys, give up the flame war....Baun has been an outstanding member of FA for.....oh....less than a month? He knows WAAAAAY more than you Riddari, since you were there since the day FA was created.

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I hate to get involved in this, especially with an outsider such as Riddari who obviously has no insight into the situation at hand or nor into the events which preceeded this so called "outrage".

Yet with this going on into thread number 5 now and Riddari still yapping behind the FA's heels

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It is only trolling fools like Ridarri that drag this out.

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I thought you were better at this than that Temujin.

I have been watching the situation unfold for a while, the HHI CEO was very good at relaying to the members logs from the meetings, major topics going on in the forums etc.

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Way to dodge a list of specific questions. Continue being willfully ignorant if you so choose. I would, however, suggest that if you are going to ignore FA statements and instead read whatever you want, you be more imaginative.

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Do you deny that in the first statement that was released that the action was referred to as a coup?

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Do you deny that this statement was released and posted on the boards and on other news sites?

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Do you deny that reposting the entirety of the first statement would have served no purpose?

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Do you deny that out of the context of the first statement that anyone who was not involved would have little idea as to what actually happened?

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And thats how you saved me the problem of thinking up my own reply

As I said.. your obviously about as informed on the situation as the HHI memberbase, revol memberbase, Hvi memberbase, etc..

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If a corporation doesn't contribute enough, then it shouldnt be in an alliance. I wish more alliances would do that, would create more allies and more potent targets.

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That was an internal statement. No I don't deny it.

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It was released by people outside the new FA. Hence not an official statement.

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You have to ask Grim about that.

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What? So by stating in one post that (for example) "I am a little corpthief" and then in another "Hard working player looking for corp" I would be making all the facts known for those reading the second psot?

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the announcement here was the first i had seen of any public announcement of changes in the FA

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the announcement here was the first i had seen of any public announcement of changes in the FA

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You missed an earlier locked thread wherein an FA memo was publically announced. In this memo the action was declared a Coup by those involved.

This announcement is an announcement relating to the resolution of this Coup.

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Baun i didn't read any of your last post haha.
All i've been saying is, we knew you had a coup. But the way you posted on forum, it doesn't look that way, as someone has stated above and above haha.

Baun, let it rest, and go play the game :P

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Fair enough, but i would have expected there to have been continuity in the use of langauge between announcements. Not everyone who reads the boards does/is able to read every single thread.

Therefore the point that this post would appear to be attempting to put a positive spin on the events therefore stands.

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the announcement here was the first i had seen of any public announcement of changes in the FA

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You missed an earlier locked thread wherein an FA memo was publically announced. In this memo the action was declared a Coup by those involved.

This announcement is an announcement relating to the resolution of this Coup.

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Fair enough, but i would have expected there to have been continuity in the use of langauge between announcements. Not everyone who reads the boards does/is able to read every single thread.

Therefore the point that this post would appear to be attempting to put a positive spin on the events therefore stands.

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Exactly, quite simple yet some ppl just ... dont get it.

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Edited by: Baun on 12/04/2004 23:44:33

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Fair enough, but i would have expected there to have been continuity in the use of langauge between announcements. Not everyone who reads the boards does/is able to read every single thread.

Therefore the point that this post would appear to be attempting to put a positive spin on the events therefore stands.

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That is a fair assesment. One has to keep in mind, however, that the statements were written by two different individuals and that the second statement had little need to refer to the coup itself as it was a summary of its results more than anything else.

I think the idea that the event needed a possitive spin assumes a negative view of it. In my mind the post would have been unchanged by the inclusion of the word coup.

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/me exits the discussion considering it has now degenerated into babble.

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Insane, what battle are you referring to? awgh, I said I wouldnt post again...

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Edited by: Insane Angel on 13/04/2004 01:29:56
LOL. Five pages since my last post (work).

Skimmed most of it from there to my current post (this one).

Aneu. Absolutely I am a liar. Anyone who claims not to be a liar is a liar.

As far as ship damage/losses in the 8BSs(FA) vs. 22BSs(Pirates). There were none. The only damage to any ship was probably to Stans as all of you hate him for some reason (BTW Stan I'll be in your gang anyday). I remeber ANN S losing shields and then receiving major armor damage as she warped. My other 3 targets had also been hit by my gang and me and they had no shields.
See Aneu, its not like mining. Roids dont have those little status bars that show the shields/armor/structure going down around the side of the ships. The left side is the sheilds, the first half on the right side is armor while the last half is structure. So ends lesson in PvP interface use 101.

ANN S, I give you credit. It is brave to be the first to drop in to a system with hostiles all around you. Whether by accident or deliberate I salute you.

Insane Angel
CEO EVE Marshals
Proud FA Member

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Thats what you think/assume/perceive etc etc etc.
An average player/outsider doesn not think the same Baun. You dont need to admit that you were wrong, just stop posting :P
OR you can spin it, i guess :S

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See Aneu, its not like mining. Roids dont have those little status bars that show the shields/armor/structure going down around the side of the ships. The left side is the sheilds, the first half on the right side is armor while the last half is structure. So ends lesson in PvP interface use 101.


Insane Angel
CEO EVE Marshals
Proud FA Member

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See Aneu, its not like mining. Roids dont have those little status bars that show the shields/armor/structure going down around the side of the ships. The left side is the sheilds, the first half on the right side is armor while the last half is structure. So ends lesson in PvP interface use 101.


Insane Angel
CEO EVE Marshals
Proud FA Member

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Its still bugged, left side is the shields and right side is the armor, structure (hull) isnt shown on the targeting icon.

Well, unless they had some optional patch wich i havent installed, wouldnt be the first time that happaned.

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See Aneu, its not like mining. Roids dont have those little status bars that show the shields/armor/structure going down around the side of the ships. The left side is the sheilds, the first half on the right side is armor while the last half is structure. So ends lesson in PvP interface use 101.


Insane Angel
CEO EVE Marshals
Proud FA Member

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Its still bugged, left side is the shields and right side is the armor, structure (hull) isnt shown on the targeting icon.

Well, unless they had some optional patch wich i havent installed, wouldnt be the first time that happaned.

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Aww Omni, that snide post begged for a flame and you come back with a polite factual response. My whole world is turned upside down lately I tells ya!

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So who lost his Scorp to sentry-guns?

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That is not a suprise comment coming from an Amarrian! PIE is well known for it's mistreatment of others. I would not expect any less from you Hardin.

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Although I beleive you misinturpret the far reaching consequences of angering so many people. It is quite obvious that more then just a few people were unhappy about this. NFA also has old enemies that've never gone away... Which will no doubt take advantage of the chaos in Fountain at the moment.

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Nothing amazing happened since last night obviously except for the surprising addition of Hardin of PIE inc jumping on the Xanadu bandwagon? That came out of nowhere!

Are PIE looking for a 0.0 home all of a sudden?

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What about the Techell theft? I recall a person from Aggressive Faction Defence Technologies helped with the theft in a way since he moved the ships and then stole ships from the original theif and that led to Agent Shield stealing from Aggressive Faction Defence Technologies. Quick to forget are we?

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What about the Techell theft? I recall a person from Aggressive Faction Defence Technologies helped with the theft in a way since he moved the ships and then stole ships from the original theif and that led to Agent Shield stealing from Aggressive Faction Defence Technologies. Quick to forget are we?

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Absurd,

You're mistaken. Please get your facts straight before you make accusations like this in the future. If you make this accusation again, would provide some evidence to back it up?

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