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Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.25 04:26:00 - [1] Ok, so a long time ago, they nerfed the Drake by killing its shield recharge time. This was a brutal nerf, and its really affecting the Caldari population's morale. All of our ships suck at PVP, especially the Drake. It needs its shield recharge time back, please. :) -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Cpt Branko Surge. Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.03.25 04:27:00 - [2] Only if Caldari ships glow brighter with every WCS fitted on them. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Eardianm Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.25 04:29:00 - [3] Seriously? It can passive tank to gate camp or pve like a champ. It can ham + buffer and do some badass soloing. What exactly do you want to fix? What role doesn't it do well enough? Fine as is imo. --------------
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.25 04:30:00 - [4] Originally by: Eardianm Seriously? It can passive tank to gate camp or pve like a champ. It can ham + buffer and do some badass soloing. What exactly do you want to fix? What role doesn't it do well enough? Fine as is imo. Caldari ships are bad at PVP The Drake is a Caldari ship => The Drake is bad at PVP. -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Cpt Branko Surge. Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.03.25 04:30:00 - [5] Originally by: Eardianm What exactly do you want to fix? What role doesn't it do well enough? Fine as is imo. I'd fix the looks, personally. Tier 2 BCs are supposed to be good-looking, Drake fails in that role. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Marlona Sky D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.25 04:30:00 - [6] Yes. Please, please CCP get rid of the passive tanked drake. It is severly over powered for what it is, a T1 BC. Give it a bit better damage output and swing the mighty nerf bat hard at its shield recharge rate. -Only cowards fly passive tanked Drake-
Dynast Aliastra	Posted - 2008.03.25 04:31:00 - [7] Originally by: Liang Nuren Ok, so a long time ago, they nerfed the Drake by killing its shield recharge time. This was a brutal nerf, and its really affecting the Caldari population's morale. All of our ships suck at PVP, especially the Drake. It needs its shield recharge time back, please.-Liang Giving you the benefit of the doubt, that you really aren't just trolling... No. The drake is by far the best PvE battlecruiser, for ****'s sake it can do level 4's better than a lot of battleships. It's one of (if not the) best bait ships. If you fly them in gangs they're a cheap way to get a lot of tankability. Just, no.
Eardianm Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.25 04:31:00 - [8] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Eardianm Seriously? It can passive tank to gate camp or pve like a champ. It can ham + buffer and do some badass soloing. What exactly do you want to fix? What role doesn't it do well enough? Fine as is imo. Caldari ships are bad at PVP The Drake is a Caldari ship => The Drake is bad at PVP. -Liang Ok, I was hoping this was coming. --------------
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.25 04:32:00 - [9] Originally by: Marlona Sky Yes. Please, please CCP get rid of the passive tanked drake. It is severly over powered for what it is, a T1 BC. Give it a bit better damage output and swing the mighty nerf bat hard at its shield recharge rate. -Only cowards fly passive tanked Drake- Yes, please. The Drake needs about +300 PG, and then it needs bonuses of +5% resists, and +5% ROF. -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Eardianm Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.25 04:33:00 - [10] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Marlona Sky Yes. Please, please CCP get rid of the passive tanked drake. It is severly over powered for what it is, a T1 BC. Give it a bit better damage output and swing the mighty nerf bat hard at its shield recharge rate. -Only cowards fly passive tanked Drake- Yes, please. The Drake needs about +300 PG, and then it needs bonuses of +5% resists, and +5% ROF. -Liang Oh dear god yes. Please nerf drakes this way. --------------
Mo Steel Sanguis vix Dignatio	Posted - 2008.03.25 04:33:00 - [11] My Drake just got blowed up by a Thron and a Sacrilege. Clearly they need to be nerfed, and my Drake needs a buff. This makes no sense. ----- Want a sig made? Eve-Mail me, signatures made for 5 million isk each.
Cpt Branko Surge. Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.03.25 04:35:00 - [12] Originally by: Liang Nuren Yes, please. The Drake needs about +300 PG, and then it needs bonuses of +5% resists, and +5% ROF. -Liang Well thought out nerf. Also, buff the looks, I'll hate the lack of coolness factor switching to the Drake. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Marlona Sky D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.25 04:53:00 - [13] Originally by: Mo Steel My Drake just got blowed up by a Thron and a Sacrilege. Clearly they need to be nerfed, and my Drake needs a buff. This makes no sense. Clearly you don't know what we are talking about as far as the passive tank Drake. If you fit it correct with the right T2 mods and T1 rigs, it can tank just a stupid amount of DPS... A LOT OF DPS!! lots...
Cpt Cosmic Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2008.03.25 04:55:00 - [14] Inside an EPIC thread
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.25 04:57:00 - [15] Originally by: Cpt Cosmic Inside an EPIC thread It's only epic because the Drake needs a huge boost to make it even remotely capable at anything resembling a whiff of PVP. It's really a sad panda right now. Such a sad panda makes the Caldari population cry. :'( -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Cpt Cosmic Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2008.03.25 04:58:00 - [16] Edited by: Cpt Cosmic on 25/03/2008 04:59:03 Quote: Such a sad panda makes the Caldari population cry. :'( good old tears of doom :) btw ure hot wanna have some babies?
Delichon The First Foundation Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2008.03.25 05:34:00 - [17] Drake should have Missile velocity x100 and Missile flight time x0,01. Then we can start talking about buffs and nerfs ------------------------------------------ All nerfs are meant to hurt you personally. Next time they are going to nerf you directly. Eve Forums.
Julius Romanus Fatalix Inc. Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.25 05:53:00 - [18] I send 15 Amarran Sharks W/ Tach Beams on Their HeadsÖ to this thread.
techzer0	Posted - 2008.03.25 06:50:00 - [19] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Eardianm Seriously? It can passive tank to gate camp or pve like a champ. It can ham + buffer and do some badass soloing. What exactly do you want to fix? What role doesn't it do well enough? Fine as is imo. Caldari ships are bad at PVP The Drake is a Caldari ship => The Drake is bad at PVP. -Liang /Thread Nice troll tbh ------------ Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
Gregoriuses	Posted - 2008.03.25 06:58:00 - [20] Are u serious??? Drake need nerf not boost! Try to not post in future treats like this. Drakes are exelant tankers (better than BS) and lost pirates using drakes in pvp tbh. Get your skills up and stop crying.
arbalesttom Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.25 07:30:00 - [21] The drake is absolutely fine as it is now (Proof), it doesnt need any kind of boost (i like the 5% kinetic bonus swapped to a rof bonus though). *Sig* Originally by: Cpt Branko That is a JoJo, a forum troll used by Amarr whiners. If real men fly amarr, what does a nbermensch fly then? ---> Gallente ^(>_<)^
Slayed	Posted - 2008.03.25 08:20:00 - [22] Edited by: Slayed on 25/03/2008 08:20:05 caldari ships dosent suck at PVP u just guys who complains that cant fit em correctly so STOP WHINING! and drake dosnt need a boost Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.]
Karl Luckner Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.25 08:36:00 - [23] Yes, the Drake really needs a nerf. Take away the shield recharge time, it is so unfair ! Instead add 500 PG, 2 medium slots and change the ship boni to 10% missile speed and 10% explosion velocity per BC level. Oh, and the scan resolution should get nerfed, too. The number should be doubled, at least !
Gypsio III Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.25 08:39:00 - [24] I once tried to pvp in a Drake. But when I undocked, all my modules had magically transformed to SPRs and Shield Rechargers! Worse, when I attempted to activate my rack of Arby Heavies, I got this funny message about self-destructing. So yeah, please fix the Drake.
Asheru Perkone	Posted - 2008.03.25 08:43:00 - [25] Originally by: arbalesttom The drake is absolutely fine as it is now (Proof). You're a bastard, Tom.
Jitabug Salvage Junkies	Posted - 2008.03.25 11:46:00 - [26] I can only agree. I have almost 3M skill points and I'm finding it very difficult to solo level 4 missions due to poor DPS. I suggest a role bonus of 50% to ROF when fitting heavy launchers. It's either that, or train up heavy missiles to IV and that's like 3 days. I'm far too busy for that.
Lyria Skydancer Home 0f Bored Occultists	Posted - 2008.03.25 11:48:00 - [27] But it tanks level 4s easily. Maybe we should nerf it instead if you look it that way. -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare II
Brodde Dim Unseen University Tenth Legion	Posted - 2008.03.25 11:57:00 - [28] Trolling in Motsu is like fishing with dynamite.
ceyriot Crimson Rebellion Cold Star Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.25 12:12:00 - [29] Originally by: Liang Nuren Ok, so a long time ago, they nerfed the Drake by killing its shield recharge time. This was a brutal nerf, and its really affecting the Caldari population's morale. All of our ships suck at PVP, especially the Drake. It needs its shield recharge time back, please. :) -Liang You're asking for a buff on one of the only good PvP caldari ships? Please, PLEASE get off the failboat before it sinks. Faction Store
Salpad darkmusse Corp	Posted - 2008.03.25 12:12:00 - [30] Originally by: Dynast Giving you the benefit of the doubt, that you really aren't just trolling... No. The drake is by far the best PvE battlecruiser, for ****'s sake it can do level 4's better than a lot of battleships. It's one of (if not the) best bait ships. If you fly them in gangs they're a cheap way to get a lot of tankability. Just, no. I just did a level 4 mission with 2 friends, in 3 battlecruisers. 2 Drakes and a Ferox. I wouldn't object to it if the Drake got a power-up, but I really can't sit with a straight face and say that it needs it. Out of historical interest: Has the Drake been changed? If yes, what specifically was changed, in terms of numbers? -- Salpad
Salpad darkmusse Corp	Posted - 2008.03.25 12:13:00 - [31] Originally by: Cpt Branko Well thought out nerf. Also, buff the looks, I'll hate the lack of coolness factor switching to the Drake. If I could choose between easier fitting on the Drake, meaning more grid and more CPU, or a cooler look, I'd prefer the cooler look. It's a mean ship, but it doesn't look mean. -- Salpad
ceyriot Crimson Rebellion Cold Star Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.25 12:16:00 - [32] Originally by: Asheru Originally by: arbalesttom The drake is absolutely fine as it is now (Proof). You're a bastard, Tom. He's also the only reason that vid has 7.5 million views. I mean...honestly.... wait im doubleposting in a flamebait thread! Faction Store
Sharkk State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.25 12:17:00 - [33] Edited by: Sharkk on 25/03/2008 12:19:30 Originally by: Gregoriuses Are u serious??? Drake need nerf not boost! Try to not post in future treats like this. Drakes are exelant tankers (better than BS) and lost pirates using drakes in pvp tbh. Get your skills up and stop crying. Win Nerf the Drake my drake is so uber......my gang mates always send me thru the gate first and then have a cup of tea while i get agressed by all the reds edit for those of you frothing at the mouth with rabid flamege perhaps a little less tank and a little more gank might be a good change for teh drake ...eh?????
Admiral Price Aurora Acclivitous	Posted - 2008.03.25 12:20:00 - [34] Personally I think the Drake is good enough as is....it's a good tank ship but the DPS makes me want to cry so it all evens out
AKULA UrQuan STK Scientific Black-Out	Posted - 2008.03.25 12:25:00 - [35] Quote: Caldari ships are bad at PVP Several Crows, Raptors, Feroxes, Blackbirds, Rokhs, Caracals, Buzzards and Scorpians I own took great offence to that line.
Commander Thrawn Fluffy Rabbit Killers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.25 12:36:00 - [36] I just lost my drake to a torp raven, pulse geddon, megatron and tempest. I should be able to tank on this withough using cap. common ccp. stop nerfing my ship
Msobe Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2008.03.25 12:37:00 - [37] Only Amarr are allowed to say their ships suck, and ask for boosts.
arbalesttom Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.25 12:39:00 - [38] Originally by: Asheru Originally by: arbalesttom The drake is absolutely fine as it is now (Proof). You're a bastard, Tom. Thanks, and yes you could have knew it *Sig* Originally by: Cpt Branko That is a JoJo, a forum troll used by Amarr whiners. If real men fly amarr, what does a nbermensch fly then? ---> Gallente ^(>_<)^
Megan Maynard Out of Order	Posted - 2008.03.25 14:26:00 - [39] So that t2/rigged drake we ran into the other night, there were 6 of us, and him in his drake. Not only did we not dent his shields 20%, he also messed us up pretty good. Point is you can easily put 30000 shield hitpoints on that ship, and you have no room to whine. Miz Stelth Bomerz iz the ****nit.
Isotaan Ephraim KAOS. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.03.25 14:53:00 - [40] The drake needs to have its model changed. I humbly propose that Drakes should look like this.
iNsAn3 Team Rocket.	Posted - 2008.03.25 14:57:00 - [41] Originally by: Liang Nuren This was a brutal nerf, and its really affecting the Caldari population's morale. THIS/LIES --- The Cake Is A LIE?!?!
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates	Posted - 2008.03.25 14:58:00 - [42] Yeah, Drakes like, totally suck. They tank, and that's it. They can't do anything useful. OK, so they're just about able to survive a level 4, but really, PvE balance shouldn't have an effect on PvP balance. It's Caldari, and therefore sucks at PvP, especially solo PvP. Shield recharge would be nice, but that might make it overpowered. therefore it wouldn't be unreasonable to give it a RoF bonus instead of a kinetic damage bonus, which is clearly not particularly 'immersive' in a roleplay sense. This post brought to you by the letter T, and the world 'Roll'. Oh yes. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking?
DaJokr Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.25 15:16:00 - [43] Drakes fine for what its designed for-gangs and PvE. You wanna solo PvP, train another race because caldari is not for you. I'd be suprised if there were any players who are caldari who HAVEN'T cross trained into one of the other races yet. Caldari Gang + PvP = Win Caldari Solo + PvP = Epic Fail Nuff said.
Gypsio III Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.25 15:37:00 - [44] Originally by: DaJokr Drakes fine for what its designed for-gangs and PvE. You wanna solo PvP, train another race because caldari is not for you. I'd be suprised if there were any players who are caldari who HAVEN'T cross trained into one of the other races yet. Caldari Gang + PvP = Win Caldari Solo + PvP = Epic Fail Nuff said. Oh yeah, this guy knows his stuff. He knows that it's absolutely impossible to dedicate three slots to tackle on a BC that has 6 midslots and a shield hardening bonus.
Drek Grapper Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.25 15:40:00 - [45] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Eardianm What exactly do you want to fix? What role doesn't it do well enough? Fine as is imo. I'd fix the looks, personally. Tier 2 BCs are supposed to be good-looking, Drake fails in that role. Lol Drake reminds me of an oyster shell. I wonder if it has a secret fitting slot for Tobasco Sauce!! --------- If the Thorax was a car it would look like this
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.25 15:44:00 - [46] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 25/03/2008 15:45:41 Come on guys, stop hating on the Drake it doesn't need a nerf, it needs a bit boost I mean seriously, how can you possibly say that the Drake is any good at all anything remotely resembling a faint whiff of PVP I mean, what's it going to do, its just going to die horribly to even a frigate because its tank got nerfed so bad and then its just going to tickle a frig with frigate damage but it cant even do that because its just got this horrible explosion velocity and explosion radius and delayed damage that the frig wont even take damage because it will have either speed tanked the missiles because everyone speed tanks everything I mean nano titans can speed tank drakes and even if it did actually not speed tank some ship lol i mean the drake is the only ship in all of eve that cant uber speed tank i mean speed tanks are so overpowered but only to the drake because of crappy missiles and delayed damage i mean the missiles cant even catch up to even an afterburning domi speed mods should totally be removed from the game thats so stupid the drake is like never going to be able to be good at pvp because missiles are so slow that even a titan is dead by the time your missiles get there come on CCP how are we supposed to pvp like this we need a really huge boost please. Caldari ships suck at PVP Missile ships suck at PVP Tanks are useless in PVP Drake is a Caldari ship + Drake is a Missile ship + Tanks are useless in PVP => Drake sucks at PVP, so boost both its tank and its gank. New Drake bonuses: +10% resists/level, +10% rof and missile explosion velocity / level -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Dark Voynix Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2008.03.25 15:51:00 - [47] Originally by: Liang Nuren Ok, so a long time ago, they nerfed the Drake by killing its shield recharge time. This was a brutal nerf, and its really affecting the Caldari population's morale. All of our ships suck at PVP, especially the Drake. It needs its shield recharge time back, please. :) -Liang BUAWHWAHWHAWHAWHWHAWHAWHAWHAWHWHAWHAWHAWH-hwa-whahh breathless ahhhhhhh!!!!!! deep breath buahwahaha...hwa! ....... ....... hmmmm.. Say what? Not funny idea.
Kamen SRBI Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2008.03.25 15:52:00 - [48] Drake is the BC I would always prefer in my gangs over any other race's BCs. It's got better survivability (shoots longer) and better damage at 20km than any other BC (that doesn't sacrifice too much to achieve that range). Maybe you also forgot to note that it's got better DPS and tank than a Cerberus, and almost better DPS than NH. Compare that and you figure that it either needs a nerf or other ships need a boost. ------------------------------------------------ (Recruiting ad) SRBI regrutuju! Dodjite na nas javni SRBI kanal. Kontakt Sode/Me West
Gypsio III Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.25 15:58:00 - [49] Quote: New Drake bonuses: +10% resists/level, +10% rof and missile explosion velocity / level I assume that these are additional bonuses, to go on top of the current shield and kinetic damage bonuses?
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.25 15:58:00 - [50] Originally by: Gypsio III Quote: New Drake bonuses: +10% resists/level, +10% rof and missile explosion velocity / level I assume that these are additional bonuses, to go on top of the current shield and kinetic damage bonuses? Yes, of course and the shield recharge needs to be given back and an 8th missile slot. =) -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Antodias North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.03.25 16:03:00 - [51] Fake trolls are the worst trolls.
Gypsio III Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.25 16:03:00 - [52] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Gypsio III Quote: New Drake bonuses: +10% resists/level, +10% rof and missile explosion velocity / level I assume that these are additional bonuses, to go on top of the current shield and kinetic damage bonuses? Yes, of course and the shield recharge needs to be given back and an 8th missile slot. =) -Liang Good. I was concerned that you might not have fully grasped the true extent of the Drake's problems. But I see that you are an expert in this field.
Derek Sigres Eternal Guardians Corp. The Covenant Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.25 16:05:00 - [53] Originally by: Salpad Out of historical interest: Has the Drake been changed? If yes, what specifically was changed, in terms of numbers? Yes, the Drake changed. In the beginning the Drake had a base shield recharge time of 1000 seconds. It was pretty common to see drakes with a passive recharge time of 60 seconds or so if not less. The Drake tank, which remains legendary today was all but unbreakable then. As it stands you can make a passive drake that can permenantly tank a gank fitted close range battleship. Back then you could make one that could tank anything short of smiting by god himself. And yes, I think the Drake needs a boost. Its the best mission running battlecruiser out there and it can be fitted for a nasty bite in PvP, BUT I want gankship level damage along with a near impenetrable tank. I also want the drake to be free for me. . . And is it too much to ask for an invulnerability field that actually imparts invulnerability?
Lego Maniac Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.25 16:23:00 - [54] bored much liang?
Megan Maynard Out of Order	Posted - 2008.03.25 17:13:00 - [55] Originally by: Lego Maniac bored much liang? No kidding, all he does is *** lately. Miz Stelth Bomerz iz the **nit.
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.25 17:16:00 - [56] Originally by: Megan Maynard Originally by: Lego Maniac bored much liang? No kidding, all he does is ***** lately. Nah, all I do lately is try to debunk pathetic Amarrian whiners that try to get everyone else in the game nerfed (forum politicking). There's a difference. :) -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.25 17:32:00 - [57] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Youve been smokin lately Liang? Drake: 7x HML MWD, WEB, SCRAM, LSE, Invul, Invul DCII, BCS, BCS, BCS 513 DPS 63,000 EHP unrigged How is this a bad BC compared to the other ones? This thread fails. Sorry. Thats a fail setup because the Drake sucks at PVP. See above for proof. Also, yes, people will keep posting as long as I do. This is why your "nerf everything not Amarr" threads keep getting posts. It's not because there's anything true about what you're complaining about. Thank you for finally "getting" it. -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Lyria Skydancer Home 0f Bored Occultists	Posted - 2008.03.25 17:33:00 - [58] Originally by: Liang Nuren Thats a fail setup because the Drake sucks at PVP. See above for proof. Also, yes, people will keep posting as long as I do. This is why your "nerf everything not Amarr" threads keep getting posts. It's not because there's anything true about what you're complaining about. Thank you for finally "getting" it. -Liang What did I complain about now? Is this about the falcons again? -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare II
NoNah Tenth Legion Holdings Tenth Legion	Posted - 2008.03.25 17:35:00 - [59] Originally by: Liang Nuren Thats a fail setup because the Drake sucks at PVP. See above for proof. Also, yes, people will keep posting as long as I do. This is why your "nerf everything not Amarr" threads keep getting posts. It's not because there's anything true about what you're complaining about. Thank you for finally "getting" it. -Liang Oh I hate you Liang. You make my life oh so much harder. You've caused a whole new wave, dammit! Postcount: 727815
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.25 17:35:00 - [60] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer What did I complain about now? Is this about the falcons again? Yes, its because you and a couple of other whiners keep posting and bumping nerf threads (the Falcon threads are among them) - and you made a statement that said people would just let the thread fizzle out after 4-5 posts if it weren't true. Guess what. You're wrong. -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.25 17:36:00 - [61] Originally by: NoNah Oh I hate you Liang. You make my life oh so much harder. You've caused a whole new wave, dammit! ;-) -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Derek Sigres Eternal Guardians Corp. The Covenant Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.25 17:40:00 - [62] Originally by: Doctor Athena I fly caldari, but i dissagree. I agree that it was sad when they nerfed all bc hull ships, including the nighthawk. But the drake is way overpowered. No t1 ship should be able to run everything from lv1 to lv4 with ease. And making that ship a good PvP ship also is out of the question. To keep the community happy i think best thing to do is just leave the drake as it is, and fix the ferox instead as viable caldari PvP ship. Becouse most today get into a drake and within 2 weeks, and fly lv4 on same ship 4 weeks later. So I guess only about half the people can recognize a troll? Because the drake is adequate for a wide variety of tasks does not mean it's overpowered. YES you CAN run a level 4 in a Drake, but that does not by any stretch indicate that it's particularly good at the task. It's the beauty of a Caldari ship - it might not be great for most things but at least it does a pretty good job. At any rate, would I like a more powerful drake? Sure, I can't think of anyone who can say they don't want one of their ships to be better than it is, even if it's already pretty good at what it does. I would LIKE to have an 8th launcher, I would LIKE to be able to have the Uber tank AND some teeth. Do I reasonably expect these desires to come to fruition? Nope - it's right up there with an invulnerability field that actually makes you invulnerable. I mean, what if they named the mid tier large sized autocannon "ultimate badass gun of doom" - wouldn't you be dissapointed when it turns out that all it does is shoot large shells with reasonbly balanced damage? My invulnerability field II's SHOULD be named Adaptive Shield Reinforcement Modules or something because last time I checked 30% harder to kill =/= invulnerable.
Lyria Skydancer Home 0f Bored Occultists	Posted - 2008.03.25 17:54:00 - [63] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Lyria Skydancer What did I complain about now? Is this about the falcons again? Yes, its because you and a couple of other whiners keep posting and bumping nerf threads (the Falcon threads are among them) - and you made a statement that said people would just let the thread fizzle out after 4-5 posts if it weren't true. Guess what. You're wrong. -Liang Well, Im not upset because I know there is no problem with the drake. So ccp dont buff it even if you bump this thread a million times. Have fun. -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare II
arbalesttom Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.25 17:55:00 - [64] Im so sure that Jonny HoBo (the minnie version of Jonny JoJo) was Liang's alt, just admit it On a sidenote, give the drake a 5% rof bonus and 10% resist bonus per bc level and im more than happy, and yes imho it can use this boost. Also, boost the nighthawk and cerb (or lower HAM fitting requirements)! *Sig* Originally by: Cpt Branko That is a JoJo, a forum troll used by Amarr whiners. If real men fly amarr, what does a nbermensch fly then? ---> Gallente ^(>_<)^
Doctor Athena State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.25 17:57:00 - [65] Not overpowered? How much isk and SP do you need to take a BS into a lv4 and be efficient? Now compare that isk requirement and SP with what is needed for doing lv4 with drake. Im writting from my phone so cant check t his right now, but im sure you dont need more then 2 mill SP and 40 millions to run a lv4 mission. Lv4 IS the main source of incomst for Alot of people in eve. Saying its not overpowered is outright lie. That ship is a cheap and easy to get version of the nighthawk, a ship that needs the player to dedicate a looong time to get to. I wont go as far as to suggest that it gets nerfed, but saying anything other then that its a damn good ship is a lie.
Maaxeru State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.25 17:59:00 - [66] Edited by: Maaxeru on 25/03/2008 18:00:07 You want a boost on the Drake? Simple: Train for a Nighthawk Honestly - while the tank on the Drake is amazing, its weakness in the DPS department offsets it apropriately. If it isn't broke . . .
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.25 18:00:00 - [67] Originally by: Derek Sigres Back then you could make one that could tank anything short of smiting by god himself. BTW, best quote in the thread. ;-) I'm going to put it in my sig when I get a minute. -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Monticore D'Muertos Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.03.25 18:15:00 - [68] Edited by: Monticore D''Muertos on 25/03/2008 18:16:17 the drake sucks at pvp for 1 reason it always dies it might not die first but all your friend will die then you end up dying. i don;t get this 'it's got an awesome tank' way of thinking if i went to my dad and said 'hey dad i jsut took 46 kicks to the face from 5 different guys before they broke my jaw' do you think he would be proud of me? just because i want to pvp doesn;t mean i want to die everytime i go do it thats the gallente way of thinking. giving it a bonus to light missile as well as heavy , more agility so fitting a mwd isnt pointless and the rof bonus instead of kinetic so it can maybe kill the af tackling it would be a bonus.
Derek Sigres Eternal Guardians Corp. The Covenant Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.25 18:23:00 - [69] Originally by: Doctor Athena Not overpowered? How much isk and SP do you need to take a BS into a lv4 and be efficient? Now compare that isk requirement and SP with what is needed for doing lv4 with drake. Im writting from my phone so cant check t his right now, but im sure you dont need more then 2 mill SP and 40 millions to run a lv4 mission. Lv4 IS the main source of incomst for Alot of people in eve. Saying its not overpowered is outright lie. That ship is a cheap and easy to get version of the nighthawk, a ship that needs the player to dedicate a looong time to get to. I wont go as far as to suggest that it gets nerfed, but saying anything other then that its a damn good ship is a lie. I would disagree here. I personally have 16 million SP, much of which is related to doing better with Caldari ships and the Drake in particular including: Battlecruiser IV Drones V Drone Interfacing IV Scout Drone Operation V Racial Drone Spec Skills: II Electronics V Engineering V Shield Managment IV Shield Operation V Shield Upgrades IV Tactical Shield Manipulation IV Weapon Upgrades V Advanced Weapon Upgrades III Missile Launcher Operation V Rapid Launch V Warhead Upgrades IV Heavy Missile Operation V Heavy Missile Specialization III Target Navigation Precision IV I'm still sure I'm missing a few. Nevertheless, that gives me 4 million SP directly related to flying that one ship. In return, my standard PVE setup looks like this: HIGH: 7 Heavy Missile Launcher II's Med: 2 Large Shield Extender II's 2 Hardners 2 Shield Rechargers LOW: 2 Ballistic Control Systems 2 Shield Power Relays Rigs: 3 Core Defense Field Purgers Drones: 5x Light T2 drones. As far as ISK are concerned, the ship itself seems to fluctate between 30 and 40 million isk. My launchers can be found for between 10 and 20 million isk. The mid and low slot fittings generally add about 20 million to the tab. The purgers seem to have stabalized at about 13 million or so apice. So my "overpowered" drake in reality costs about 90 - 110 million isk. As a side note, a cheap but effective raven fitting costs about the same as the higher number for the drake and doesn't require rigs to work. This ship puts out a paultry 315 EFT DPS - sufficient for a level 4 mission but low enough that some BS rats take a FULL rack of missiles(40 per launcher) to kill. More astute onlookers would notice that my Drake's tank is more than a little bit compromised here, weighing in at a mere 600 or so DPS versus the more common 1,000 dps tank. While it's an incredibly sturdy perma tank, the fact that you spend so much time getting outright pounded by lots and lots of ships makes aggro managment a chore, and in some instances forces the occasional warp out. The short version of this story boils down to the simple fact that while a drake CAN run a level 4, it is by no means good at the task. A poorly skilled player will find that while thier tank can perhaps sustain the incomming damage their own DPS is poor enough that some missions will be downright impossible to beat - there are rats in missions that can perma tank the 200 or so DPS a poorly skilled drake pilot is likely to produce. The PVE drake's one great talent is simply it's ability to absorb damage indefinitly. This lends it the ability to surive a mission - perhaps that's all some people judge a ship by but most players will tell you that capable is not the same thing as good.
FawKa E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.03.25 18:53:00 - [70] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Eardianm Seriously? It can passive tank to gate camp or pve like a champ. It can ham + buffer and do some badass soloing. What exactly do you want to fix? What role doesn't it do well enough? Fine as is imo. Caldari ships are bad at PVP The Drake is a Caldari ship => The Drake is bad at PVP. -Liang Please dont.. As per Erasmus Montanus "You cannot fly A stone cannot fly => you are a stone" The Drake is fine
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.25 18:58:00 - [71] Originally by: FawKa Originally by: Liang Nuren Caldari ships are bad at PVP The Drake is a Caldari ship => The Drake is bad at PVP. -Liang Please dont.. As per Erasmus Montanus "You cannot fly A stone cannot fly => you are a stone" The Drake is fine There's a problem with your logic, actually. I started off with Caldari ships as a whole sucking at PVP, and then extended that to a specific subset (Drakes). You're starting off with two unrelated objects, and equating them without establishing a relationship between the sets. -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Terianna Eri FMP Corp	Posted - 2008.03.25 19:03:00 - [72] Originally by: Liang Nuren Caldari ships suck at PVP Missile ships suck at PVP Tanks are useless in PVP Drake is a Caldari ship + Drake is a Missile ship + Tanks are useless in PVP => Drake sucks at PVP, so boost both its tank and its gank. New Drake bonuses: +10% resists/level, +10% rof and missile explosion velocity / level -Liang Yes, the drake is so awful that it needs six bonuses just to make it competitive Liang, I thank you for this most needed contribution to the forum, and I hope that CCP finds this thread and makes the right choice. __________________________________
arbalesttom Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.25 19:04:00 - [73] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: FawKa Originally by: Liang Nuren Caldari ships are bad at PVP The Drake is a Caldari ship => The Drake is bad at PVP. -Liang Please dont.. As per Erasmus Montanus "You cannot fly A stone cannot fly => you are a stone" The Drake is fine There's a problem with your logic, actually. I started off with Caldari ships as a whole sucking at PVP, and then extended that to a specific subset (Drakes). You're starting off with two unrelated objects, and equating them without establishing a relationship between the sets. -Liang shrugs OWNED! shrugs Ah, love how Liang can point things out This thread is definately made of pure win. *Sig* Originally by: Cpt Branko That is a JoJo, a forum troll used by Amarr whiners. If real men fly amarr, what does a nbermensch fly then? ---> Gallente ^(>_<)^
FawKa E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.03.25 19:05:00 - [74] You just always posted fine topics and nice replies which ppl really wasnt able to reject was true. I really dont see why the Drake is this bad for you?
d3vo Airborne Assassins Order of the Black Cross	Posted - 2008.03.25 19:15:00 - [75] rof bonus, /signed
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.25 19:20:00 - [76] Originally by: FawKa Edited by: FawKa on 25/03/2008 19:07:02 You just always posted fine topics and nice replies which ppl really wasnt able to reject was true. I really dont see why the Drake is this bad for you? Edit: Not really @ Arbalesttom, but I wont go into a deep theoretic literature debate now Um, I kinda got the idea for this thread from all the "nerf the XXXXX" threads. Someone in one of those threads said that the threads would just peter out if it weren't true (thus XXXXX needs nerfed). So I set out to prove that kind of statement is false... the Truth has nothing to do with how long a thread goes or how much whining goes into them. Hell, given enough pages, and you'll gather momentum for you "cause"... regardless of "truth". Just because 4-5 vocal people think that the Falcon (or any other ship) is overpowered doesn't make it true - or the thread any shorter or flame filled. And FFS, Lyria, Xecequal, and certain others should just freaking stop with the damn forum politicking. Honestly, I've been growing tired of trying to halt their lies and mistruths. "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Saetan SaDiablo Galactic Hyperspace Planning Council	Posted - 2008.03.25 19:20:00 - [77] Originally by: Liang Nuren Ok, so a long time ago, they nerfed the Drake by killing its shield recharge time. This was a brutal nerf, and its really affecting the Caldari population's morale. All of our ships suck at PVP, especially the Drake. It needs its shield recharge time back, please. :) -Liang Weve found the new JoJo!!!!
Jennifer Flate theFragment The Threshold	Posted - 2008.03.25 21:31:00 - [78] i do like the drake tbh, its like a nice safe house for my genitals and it keeps me warm even if it doesn't do much damage i can still punch away the smelly triple BS rat spawns in 0.0. Oh back to the matter at hand.... I love Liang :P, i have seen her/him/it post on many threads and make a lot of sense imo, therefore i have decided to post on here because i am a Drake pilot, don't do much PvP, i did some fleet ops and tbh that just gave me 2 frames, one with a lot of reds/blues and then one of the inside of a station. Drake is perfectly balanced imo, but i sure could benefit from a RoF bonus :)
dAn melax Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.03.25 21:38:00 - [79] OP = Epic Fail ... PvP some or change the race on gallete which is easy as [ehm] to fly on pvp and pve. Stop whining! Play Hard. Go Pro.
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.25 21:45:00 - [80] Originally by: dAn melax OP = Epic Fail ... PvP some or change the race on gallete which is easy as [ehm] to fly on pvp and pve. Stop whining! Buy a new sarcasm detector. Yours has obviously been broken. -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
FawKa E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.03.25 22:03:00 - [81] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: FawKa Edited by: FawKa on 25/03/2008 19:07:02 You just always posted fine topics and nice replies which ppl really wasnt able to reject was true. I really dont see why the Drake is this bad for you? Edit: Not really @ Arbalesttom, but I wont go into a deep theoretic literature debate now Um, I kinda got the idea for this thread from all the "nerf the XXXXX" threads. Someone in one of those threads said that the threads would just peter out if it weren't true (thus XXXXX needs nerfed). So I set out to prove that kind of statement is false... the Truth has nothing to do with how long a thread goes or how much whining goes into them. Hell, given enough pages, and you'll gather momentum for you "cause"... regardless of "truth". Just because 4-5 vocal people think that the Falcon (or any other ship) is overpowered doesn't make it true - or the thread any shorter or flame filled. And FFS, Lyria, Xecequal, and certain others should just freaking stop with the damn forum politicking. Honestly, I've been growing tired of trying to halt their lies and mistruths. "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" -Liang /me emotes bows You got my respect back Keep up !
Merin Ryskin FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.25 23:19:00 - [82] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 25/03/2008 23:19:36 Solution to the Drake problem: change the skill requirement from Caldari Cruiser IV to Minmatar Cruiser IV, remove half the paint, and leave it out in the rain for a while. Problem solved. Minmatar ships = awesome at PvP. Drake = Minmatar ship. Therefore Drake = awesome at PvP.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.03.25 23:27:00 - [83] Boost-a-nerf the Drake ! How about this... Change the bonuses from -5% shield resist to -5% missile launcher RoF. Oh, and give it just as much powergrid as the Ferox. Or, at least somewhere in the middle. MWD HAM Drake... yummy... 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
NoNah Tenth Legion Holdings Tenth Legion	Posted - 2008.03.25 23:27:00 - [84] Originally by: arbalesttom shrugs OWNED! shrugs Ah, love how Liang can point things out This thread is definately made of pure win. Hah, the joke's on you Liang. This thread is tom-approved! Postcount: 411725
Schalac Brotherhood of Wolves	Posted - 2008.03.25 23:44:00 - [85] Yes the Drake needs a boost. I think it should have 200 more calibration points and 20% per level of battle cruisers to velocity and flight time of heavy missiles. Add an explosive damage boost along with the kinetic, and it should have 2 more mid slots and 1 more low slot. As it stands right now though the drake is a big flat piece of garbage. I would never even attempt to fly one of those useless ships.
Sharkk State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.26 00:06:00 - [86] Edited by: Sharkk on 26/03/2008 00:07:36 Edited by: Sharkk on 26/03/2008 00:06:27 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Lyria Skydancer What did I complain about now? Is this about the falcons again? Yes, its because you and a couple of other whiners keep posting and bumping nerf threads (the Falcon threads are among them) - and you made a statement that said people would just let the thread fizzle out after 4-5 posts if it weren't true. Guess what. You're wrong. -Liang Well, Im not upset because I know there is no/a big problem with the "insert ship here". So ccp dont buff/nerf it even if you bump this thread a million times. Have fun. Fixed
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.03.26 00:38:00 - [87] Originally by: Schalac Yes the Drake needs a boost. I think it should have 200 more calibration points and 20% per level of battle cruisers to velocity and flight time of heavy missiles. Add an explosive damage boost along with the kinetic, and it should have 2 more mid slots and 1 more low slot. As it stands right now though the drake is a big flat piece of garbage. I would never even attempt to fly one of those useless ships. And one extra launcher slot, don't you ever forget that ! 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
d3vo Airborne Assassins Order of the Black Cross	Posted - 2008.03.26 01:15:00 - [88] the drake doesnt need another missile slot giving it 8 would make an imbalance between the other battlecruisers changing the dps bonus to a rof bonus is better 7.5% increase rof of heavy missiles and heavy assault missiles
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.26 01:21:00 - [89] Originally by: d3vo the drake doesnt need another missile slot giving it 8 would make an imbalance between the other battlecruisers changing the dps bonus to a rof bonus is better 7.5% increase rof of heavy missiles and heavy assault missiles Strictly speaking: Switching the damage bonus out for a ROF bonus would increase the Drake's max DPS by 8 1/3% (and up to 33 1/3% for unbonused damage types) - an average of a 27% damage increase across all damage types. Adding in an eighth launcher would increase overall damage by 14.2%. Realistically, Kinetic missiles are currently used in 80% of all situations, so you'd really only see a 27% increase in PVE ability. -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
d3vo Airborne Assassins Order of the Black Cross	Posted - 2008.03.26 01:26:00 - [90] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: d3vo the drake doesnt need another missile slot giving it 8 would make an imbalance between the other battlecruisers changing the dps bonus to a rof bonus is better 7.5% increase rof of heavy missiles and heavy assault missiles Strictly speaking: Switching the damage bonus out for a ROF bonus would increase the Drake's max DPS by 8 1/3% (and up to 33 1/3% for unbonused damage types) - an average of a 27% damage increase across all damage types. Adding in an eighth launcher would increase overall damage by 14.2%. Realistically, Kinetic missiles are currently used in 80% of all situations, so you'd really only see a 27% increase in PVE ability. -Liang thats a good thing... if not...then just change the base dps for heavy missiles to 175 :P
Hallowed ground State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.26 01:26:00 - [91] It needs an extra mid to fit scram/web and more grid to fit all HAM with crap skills. Give it also 3 more lows so it can nano and dicate HAM range. then give a range and rof bonus on kinetic missles. Then up its base speed by 50 percent. increase its drone bay also so it can field a flight of warriors II or a flight of ECM. apply sarcasm filter and disregard this post.
d3vo Airborne Assassins Order of the Black Cross	Posted - 2008.03.26 01:35:00 - [92] Originally by: Hallowed ground It needs an extra mid to fit scram/web and more grid to fit all HAM with crap skills. Give it also 3 more lows so it can nano and dicate HAM range. then give a range and rof bonus on kinetic missles. Then up its base speed by 50 percent. increase its drone bay also so it can field a flight of warriors II or a flight of ECM. apply sarcasm filter and disregard this post. LOL i was about to say...before that last sentence...phew you are crazy 8/7/7, that drake would be unstoppable
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.03.26 01:35:00 - [93] Edited by: Akita T on 26/03/2008 01:35:56 Nonono, you read it wrong... It's 8th missile launcher slot AND -5% RoF instead of 5% resists AND let's say 250 MW extra to the powergrid. On top of 2 extra mids and one extra low, of course. Oh, and a 550 m^3 cargohold. I mean, come on, missile-boat! It's supposed to have more cargo than gunboats ! 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.26 01:38:00 - [94] Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 26/03/2008 01:37:08 Nonono, you read it wrong... It's 8th missile launcher slot AND -5% RoF instead of 5% resists AND let's say 250 MW extra to the powergrid. Oh, and a 550 m^3 cargohold. I mean, come on, missile-boat! It's supposed to have more cargo than gunboats ! On top of one extra low slot, of course. Maybe just one extra mid, two would be overkill. You know, unlike everything else, I just said, goes without saying... Honestly, 8th turret + ROF would only yield a 30% overall damage increase... (37% for unbonused damage types). I'd say lets do it. :-P -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
d3vo Airborne Assassins Order of the Black Cross	Posted - 2008.03.26 01:42:00 - [95] be realistic stop trolling... would be nice to see the noticably weakest tier2 bc get a little boost...
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.26 01:43:00 - [96] Originally by: d3vo be realistic stop trolling... would be nice to see the noticably weakest tier2 bc get a little boost... IMO, the Drake is inarguably the best T1 BC... (and yes, I fly it) -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
d3vo Airborne Assassins Order of the Black Cross	Posted - 2008.03.26 01:52:00 - [97] yet arguably the worst harbinger can easily out dps the drake including 5xhammerheads II mymidon...6 blasters and drone set, tank ship hurricane has a dps and rof bonus, nano cane can kill a drake
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.26 01:57:00 - [98] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 26/03/2008 01:59:03 Originally by: d3vo yet arguably the worst harbinger can easily out dps the drake including 5xhammerheads II mymidon...6 blasters and drone set, tank ship hurricane has a dps and rof bonus, nano cane can kill a drake The Harbinger will die to the Drake if for no other reason than the Drake having a better tank. The Harby is notoriously hard to fit, and pretty much has to be plated. The Myrmidon got its teeth kicked in and only has a single damage bonus to medium drones. In all fairness, its like fighting a slightly bigger Vexor. Barring its use on gates to tank, I doubt I'd use the Myrm for anything these days. Wait, the Drake is better on gates too... The Hurricane is something of a glass cannon. It has a truly pathetic tank, and even if you just fit your Drake for absolute gank, you'll find yourself going through 1.5-2 Hurricanes before they start to break your tank. Honestly, that's supposing that they CAN break your tank. -Liang Ed: And a Nanocane will NEVER EVER kill any sort of Drake pilot that actually shoots at him. He can't speed tank the missiles effectively, and can't deal damage while MWD'ing anyway. Thus, shoot at him. If he slows down to shoot you, he dies. If he doesn't slow down, he dies due to ineffective speed tank and a lack of a regular tank. Nanocane is overrated, and this is one of those situations that you just don't get yourself into in one. -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.26 02:01:00 - [99] For the record, the Harbinger is BC most able to take down a Drake (and IMO is quite likely the second best BC). -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
F90OEX Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.03.26 02:24:00 - [100] Reading this is like watching paint dry .. shield recharge time is not going to help the PVP Drake cause. IE Mwd, web and point + Tank any better. Faction Nano Pvp Drake is where its at :) Proven in battle, Works like a champ..
Hallowed ground State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.26 02:36:00 - [101] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 25/03/2008 00:48:01 I PVP in Drakes, Falcons, Rooks, Scorps, Ravens, and Caracals (roughly in order of usage). -Liang Ed: Yes, I am successful, even solo (provided the ship CAN solo [falcon]). -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance LOL he says it's his favorite caldari pvp ship and then whines about it needing a boost. Also states that he is successful.
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.26 02:38:00 - [102] Originally by: Hallowed ground Edited by: Liang Nuren on 25/03/2008 00:48:01 I PVP in Drakes, Falcons, Rooks, Scorps, Ravens, and Caracals (roughly in order of usage). -Liang Ed: Yes, I am successful, even solo (provided the ship CAN solo [falcon]). -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance LOL he says it's his favorite caldari pvp ship and then whines about it needing a boost. Also states that he is successful. The doctor prescribed "Sarcasm Detection" pills for you to take tonight. Take 2 and read the entire thread tomorrow. -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Darth Vaders Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.26 02:59:00 - [103] It is ridiculus to ask a boost for the Drake. Let's hope CCP spare us and doesn't nerf it any further. I mean the ship rocks. Its almost as good as a Nighthawk and is better than the Amarr command ships!! And i mean i am mainly a miner. With low skills on Missiles (only heavies tech 2) all the rest at 4 . Same with shields engineering all at lvl 4 apart engineering at 5. I invested most of my skillpoints at Manufacturing 5 Refinery 5 Refinery Efficiency 5 and Hulk lvl 4. You get the idea. Well from time to time i run lvl 4 missions with this Drake. It has a bit hard fiting so i wear a hardwiring to raise the PG. But the ship is mean. I can do crazy things with it. I can tank World's collide lvl 4 with some attention of course. But i can do it whereareas my alt that is minmatar with BS lvl 4 and over 4M sp in gunnery can;t. When i have to do a high aggro lvl 4 mission i always put this character first to get some aggro . Then i get in with my Minmatar character and clear the area faster. The thing is that with this character i can clear the mission alone. It will just take a bit longer. But i can't do it vice versa. So i have 2 characters a miner/manufacturer/trader that flies the Drake with good skills (for the Drake) but not much else. And a clearly combat character with around the same amount of SP and still the carebear is better!!!! I can even do the lvl 4s easier with the Drake compaired to the Raven where i have tech 2 cruise missiles etc but still Drake is better than the Raven for lvl 4s at least for me. I am in love with the Drake it's a superb ship and is better than the rest even for pvp. I really hope CCP have mercy on me and doesn't nerf this ship _______________________________________________ As a side wish please remove the agent missions from Jita.
Darth Vaders Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.26 03:06:00 - [104] Now i don;t fly Amarr ships at all. And i don't plan to. But i played a bit with EFT and i honestly think that despite the recent boost the amarr lack a good ship to do PvE. The worst ship Amarr got is Abaddon. I think they should give the ship at least a 50% to cap use for lasers because it is really really bad as it is. I saw the ship being used a lot in the recent PvP alliance tournament but imo is the worst BS of the game. So if there are people they should complain are still the Amarr despite the recent boost. _______________________________________________ As a side wish please remove the agent missions from Jita.
Ra'ita Mean Anglo-Danes	Posted - 2008.03.26 05:38:00 - [105] Originally by: Liang Nuren The doctor prescribed "Sarcasm Detection" pills for you to take tonight. Take 2 and read the entire thread tomorrow. You're a cruel, cruel man. And I love you for it. Module stacking guide
Rawr Cristina Naqam	Posted - 2008.03.26 07:37:00 - [106] Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 26/03/2008 07:37:21 I'm confused ...
Jennifer Flate theFragment The Threshold	Posted - 2008.03.26 11:38:00 - [107] bump? or point proven, oh glorious liang?
Cpt Cosmic Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2008.03.26 11:54:00 - [108] poor guys are you all I mean you all dont notice the sweetness of irony even it is put on a silver plate for ya
RedeyeAce Demogorgon's Army Atrox Urbanis Respublique Abundatia	Posted - 2008.03.27 23:14:00 - [109] Liang... OMG look what youve gone and started.. i've been non stop laughing throughout the whole of this thread. All I can say is Superb!! I'm anticipating this continuing on for a fair few pages yet!!! Nice to see the usual suspects in here and not at all surprised by their comments.. shame really. By the way I think youve been a bit rude by not answering the below comment.. not nice to keep a guy waiting now is it.. Edited by: Cpt Cosmic on 25/03/2008 04:59:03 Quote: p-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Such a sad panda makes the Caldari population cry. :'( -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- good old tears of doom :) btw ure hot wanna have some babies? p.s. While were at it, Perhaps we should discuss the need for the phoon to have 12 high's and 6/6 split and the fitting ability to go with it ..
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.27 23:22:00 - [110] Originally by: RedeyeAce Liang... OMG look what youve gone and started.. i've been non stop laughing throughout the whole of this thread. All I can say is Superb!! I'm anticipating this continuing on for a fair few pages yet!!! Nice to see the usual suspects in here and not at all surprised by their comments.. shame really. By the way I think youve been a bit rude by not answering the below comment.. not nice to keep a guy waiting now is it.. Edited by: Cpt Cosmic on 25/03/2008 04:59:03 Quote: p-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Such a sad panda makes the Caldari population cry. :'( -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- good old tears of doom :) btw ure hot wanna have some babies? p.s. While were at it, Perhaps we should discuss the need for the phoon to have 12 high's and 6/6 split and the fitting ability to go with it .. Heh, sure. :P -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Schalac Brotherhood of Wolves	Posted - 2008.03.29 00:41:00 - [111] I still want my 100% bonuses to velocity and flight time of heavy missiles so I can SS and shoot at anyone in the system with FoF missiles.
Inuyasha507 Chaos Monkeys	Posted - 2008.03.29 03:51:00 - [112] Nerf Caldari. Boost Amarr. Support Blaze Crystals. Do it.
Beriel Cosmic Odyssey Cosmic Anomalies	Posted - 2008.03.29 06:52:00 - [113] yeah, not really sure what you are talking about. granted the drake is not suited from 1v1 roaming but if you have a stationary location or a decent gang the drake has an incredible tank and is the ultimate f1-f7 and forget.
leung bak	Posted - 2008.03.29 11:16:00 - [114] Originally by: arbalesttom The drake is absolutely fine as it is now (Proof), it doesnt need any kind of boost (i like the 5% kinetic bonus swapped to a rof bonus though). Damn you got me again with that link. Hmm im starting to like the song so keep it coming

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