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Madrux
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.03.25 17:17:00 -
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why is it that in europe the monthly fee has not been scaled acordingly with the global exchange rate.
based on euro to us dollar, the us are paying 9.6 euros a month but europeans are paying 14.99, for exactly the same service.
please explain...
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Zeba
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.03.25 17:19:00 -
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Imperator Jora'h
Hedion University
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Posted - 2008.03.25 17:21:00 -
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This again?
A lot of it has to do with the European VAT which those in the US do not need to pay. Beyond that CCP will nto change pricing policy as exchange rates move forward and back unless it looks like they are losing a lot and the rates look to stay like that for a long time.
Do what many Europeans do and buy GTC from places like Shattered Crystal in the US. Then it will cost you the same as those in the US.
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Heddy Lammar
Matari Research Foundation
Empire Research
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Posted - 2008.03.25 17:21:00 -
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No explanation needed if you want to pay twice what you pay now, then I'm sure CCP can employ a large enough admin staff to manage payments from all over the world based on exchange rates.
If you don't like it quit, I'm sure that will show them.
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Shadow Joy
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.25 17:21:00 -
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Why are you too lazy to buy a timecard from an American distributor?
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Barzam
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.03.25 17:22:00 -
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Because tomorrow, another war started, more oil secured, dollar soars etc.
If they were to bind fees to currencies ups and downs, people would soon start investing in EVE-timecodes instead of stockoptions, and pretty soon american warships would land on the shores of Iceland, bringing forth untold numbers of robot-soldiers.
We can't have that. Can we?
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2008.03.25 17:26:00 -
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 Originally by: Madrux
why is it that in europe the monthly fee has not been scaled acordingly with the global exchange rate.
based on euro to us dollar, the us are paying 9.6 euros a month but europeans are paying 14.99, for exactly the same service.
please explain...
2 things:
Exchange rates and Taxes!
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Madrux
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.03.25 17:32:00 -
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thanx for the website, perchasing now.
i love a good work around the system
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Korizan
Oort Cloud Industries
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Posted - 2008.03.25 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: Madrux
why is it that in europe the monthly fee has not been scaled acordingly with the global exchange rate.
based on euro to us dollar, the us are paying 9.6 euros a month but europeans are paying 14.99, for exactly the same service.
please explain...
Actually if the the US was billed in Euro's then they would be paying more every month then you are every month. (If you want to know more then that take a economics class)
THe US is not getting a deal although it is VERY nice that CCP accounts for the exchange rates.
In Actual FACT as others have stated when a European buys there GTC's from the US it the Europeans who are actually getting the deal NOT the US customers.
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Madrux
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.03.25 17:40:00 -
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cool, i finally have one thing that london can no longer screw me on...the most expensive city in the world with the least reward.
thank man
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Madrux
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.03.25 17:41:00 -
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yeah but im an australian in europe, so im getting screwed twice
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Pontet Canet
en primeur
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Posted - 2008.03.25 17:45:00 -
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1 European > 1 American
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Madrux
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.03.25 17:52:00 -
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korixan you need to do some searching dude.
current exchange rate
14.99 euro equals 23.4055 USD(what europeans pay if they dont pay us prices)
on top of that i am on the pound
14.99 euro = 11.6890 GBP(plus a internation exchange fee)
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Korizan
Oort Cloud Industries
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Posted - 2008.03.25 18:06:00 -
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Madrux.
THere is a reason why there is a exchange rate to begin with.
THe exchange rate is your answer but until you understand exchange rates and what they do and their purpose then you will not understand the principle and I am not an economics teacher.
Perhaps someone who can explain it better will post, if not might I suggest you take a class.
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Happy Merchant
Hedion University
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Posted - 2008.03.25 18:22:00 -
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well lets see, here in the US our nation minimum wage is what 5.45 an hour... what is the minimum wage in europe... something like 10 euro .... I could be wrong but you need to lower your minimum wage to match ours before you make a stink about unfair pay.
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Bimjo
SKULLDOGS
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Posted - 2008.03.25 18:23:00 -
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Edited by: Bimjo on 25/03/2008 18:24:13
Originally by: Madrux
why is it that in europe the monthly fee has not been scaled acordingly with the global exchange rate.
based on euro to us dollar, the us are paying 9.6 euros a month but europeans are paying 14.99, for exactly the same service.
please explain...
hi , I am in the UK and pay ú6.66 per month , thats 8.5 Euro per month
and it is CCP approved
look here --->>> http://www.shatteredcrystal.com/code.php/eve_online
basically I pay the American rate
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Madrux
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.03.25 18:29:00 -
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actually the minimum wage in uk is ú5.5
but the cost of living in the uk is a lot more than the US
a ****ty flat in london costs a third more than the wequivilant flat in NY, after exchange rate has been taken into account.
using mcdonalds as a example, a cheeseburger is 90 pence($1.72) how much are they in the US?
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Madrux
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.03.25 18:33:00 -
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done it already binjo, cheers mate
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Bimjo
SKULLDOGS
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Posted - 2008.03.25 18:33:00 -
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cheeseburger ? 
I just replied to you thread(on topic too) and you totally ignored it and went for the cheeseburger ?
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Bimjo
SKULLDOGS
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Posted - 2008.03.25 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Madrux
done it already binjo, cheers mate
ooops , ignore my previous post
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Madrux
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.03.25 18:35:00 -
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anyway, look i got the website
no more problems
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Andrue
Hammers Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.25 19:04:00 -
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Edited by: Andrue on 25/03/2008 19:07:03
Originally by: Madrux
thanx for the website, perchasing now.
i love a good work around the system
Do you also love reducing CCP's revenue by 50%?
...because that's what you're doing. If you're based in the EU you are also breaking the law although the chance of being caught and prosecuted is pretty slim.
So many people fail to understand the problem. It isn't that EU citizens are paying extra - it's that US citizens are paying less. The current state of the dollar is hurting CCP. The more people who switch to payments in dollars the more harm is done to them.
It's just the inevitable consequence of the rest of the world realising just what a disaster zone the US economy is becoming. Of course as the dollar drops it becomes easier for US companies to export so it will bottom out and recover eventually.
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StellDust
V.L.A.S.T.
Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2008.03.25 19:34:00 -
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Edited by: StellDust on 25/03/2008 19:38:20
It simply - they do this because they can. and stop this jumbo mumbo about exchange and vat because it is not true. how every other MMORPG treats its customers as equal and the vat and taxes come to this one? take for example another EU game - Lord of the Rings - why they donÆt charge EU more than US or any other?
Until people pays and the money flow goes, CCP will remain silent and wonÆt take any action, that is normal logic, after all they want to get as much as they can.
It is not very nice, there is nothing can be done but purchase time cards from US.
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Spenz
Dark Knights of Deneb
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.03.25 19:48:00 -
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Whine whine whine. Back when the dollar was still up, people paying in Euros were paying a flat rate just like the US, only that flat rate covered your VAT, so in reality euros were actually paying less.
Was anyone whining back then? No. Why are you whining now? Could it be because you like whining?
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Bimjo
SKULLDOGS
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Posted - 2008.03.25 19:57:00 -
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Edited by: Bimjo on 25/03/2008 19:57:45
Originally by: Andrue
Do you also love reducing CCP's revenue by 50%?
...because that's what you're doing. If you're based in the EU you are also breaking the law although the chance of being caught and prosecuted is pretty slim.
woah there Mister policeman
proof ?
If that was the case then shatteredcrystal and others would be bound by law to add VAT or be refused access to the EU.
Also CCP would have kicked up a fuss about it or told us it is against the EULA.
It isn't too difficult to mark GTCs with "outside EU" digits that refuse to install on EU accounts
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Andrue
Hammers Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.25 20:54:00 -
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Edited by: Andrue on 25/03/2008 20:59:18
Originally by: Bimjo
Edited by: Bimjo on 25/03/2008 19:57:45
Originally by: Andrue
Do you also love reducing CCP's revenue by 50%?
...because that's what you're doing. If you're based in the EU you are also breaking the law although the chance of being caught and prosecuted is pretty slim.
woah there Mister policeman
proof ?
UK C&E rules. Quote:
If that was the case then shatteredcrystal and others would be bound by law to add VAT or be refused access to the EU.
They are, under international treaty. Basically everyone knows that we have to get along so by-and-large countries aggree to play nice and help each other out. (Un)fortunately it's too costly to administer and not currently worth the fuss but it's still illegal and, yes, the US is supposed to enforce it exactly as the EU is supposed to enforce trading rules requested by the US.
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Also CCP would have kicked up a fuss about it or told us it is against the EULA. It isn't too difficult to mark GTCs with "outside EU" digits that refuse to install on EU accounts.
The EULA is not concerned with the law - it's just a set of rules that CCP have dreamt up for people wanting to play their game. It is also not CCP's responsibility to collect VAT on other companies transactions. You bought the GTCs from Shattered Crystal so SC is supposed to collect the VAT. That's the whole point of it. It's collected at point of sale.
Even if CCP could determine whether an account was EU or US (how?) there is no legal requirement for them to implement the system you propose because they aren't the ones selling the GTCs.
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Amrak
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.03.25 21:04:00 -
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If we all paid in Isk (Iceland Currency)
1,765.39 ISK = 23.4702 USD
1,765.39 ISK = 14.9970 EUR
seem's about right...
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sherado took
Oxidise Developments
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Posted - 2008.03.25 22:02:00 -
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i pay for my accounts using american express by the time it goes from pounds to dollars and back to pounds again all 3 of my accounts cost me less the 20 quid a month
bargin
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cal nereus
Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.25 22:03:00 -
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Taxes (specifically, VAT). Europe has more right? If you want to pay less, pay with an American time card.
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Drizit
FREEDOM FIRST
Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.25 22:05:00 -
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Blame the internet. The Dollar is pretty much the standard currency when buying on the net. The problem with Britain especially is that the only thing that gets changed is the sign. So depending on the exchange rate, we can always be paying practically twice what they pay in the USA.
I use Shatteredcrystal and buy timecodes with my Paypal account which costs nothing for the currency exchange and get my Eve time for half the price I'd normally pay.
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