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Barzam School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.03.26 11:17:00 - [61] Lets be happy we are not paying in Icelandic Kronas, or CCP would be dead-broke Quote: Fears that Iceland could be the first country to fall victim of the global financial turmoil grew yesterday when its central bank abruptly increased interest rates 1.25 percentage points to 15 per cent in an attempt to restore confidence in its struggling currency and stave off a full- blown economic crisis. article: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/b0499804-fad6-11dc-aa46-000077b07658.html
Andrue Hammers Academy	Posted - 2008.03.26 11:31:00 - [62] But as for a US/EU comparison. I work with Americans on a daily basis (I'm part of an international software development team). From our discussions and from visits we have all concluded the following. A software engineer living in the UK as pretty much the same standard of living and access to pretty much the same 'things' as an equivalent software engineer does in the US. There are a few difference but it pretty much evens out. The Americans are jealous of our contracts (they all work-at-will), our healthcare (on behalf of friends/family not covered by the company) and our history. We are jealous of their large houses, the fantastic scenery and the relative ease with which you can make an independant living if you don't fancy being a corporate slave. But overall US<=>UK. It's more important where your roots are and what you are used to. If you are the kind of person that can break free of the corporate tread mill and have the guts and ability to forge your own way then the US is the place to go. OTOH the consequences of failing in the US are harsher than they are in the UK. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Malken Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.26 11:33:00 - [63] the us goverment have no idea on how to keep a stable value on their money. soon all the mexicans in the us want their salarys paid in pesos.
Cipher7 Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.26 12:18:00 - [64] How much is bread in Euros? I pay $1.39 for 1 loaf of italian bread. Gas is $3.39 per gallon Went to a dentist the other day cost me $250 to get a tooth pulled. Wages in the New York area average around 60k/year but theres alot of people living on 30-40k by living in the suburbs where the rents are lower. If you're healthy and like to work hard I think the living is MUCH better in America. The wages are a little lower but the VOLUME of available work of tremendous, you could work 80 hours a week if you wanted. If you're sick, lazy, alcoholic, drug addicted, unable to work, etc the living is MUCH better in Europe.
Barzam School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.03.26 12:29:00 - [65] Originally by: Cipher7 How much is bread in Euros? I pay $1.39 for 1 loaf of italian bread. Gas is $3.39 per gallon Went to a dentist the other day cost me $250 to get a tooth pulled. Wages in the New York area average around 60k/year but theres alot of people living on 30-40k by living in the suburbs where the rents are lower. 1 loaf of italian bread is about USD $4 here. Gas per gallon is USD $7.6 Getting a tooth pulled about USD $150 Average wage is about $40k USD , after tax about $28k USD So in closing.. you pay a lot less money for everything, you get a lot more for your money, and we should pay more than you? Where's your logic?
Cipher7 Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.26 13:03:00 - [66] Originally by: Barzam So in closing.. you pay a lot less money for everything, you get a lot more for your money, and we should pay more than you? Where's your logic? You snotty Euros have been bashing us for years. Consider it Karmic justice.
The TX Earth Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.26 13:07:00 - [67] Originally by: Madrux why is it that in europe the monthly fee has not been scaled acordingly with the global exchange rate. based on euro to us dollar, the us are paying 9.6 euros a month but europeans are paying 14.99, for exactly the same service. please explain... Buy GTC's from ShatteredCrystal.com - it works out at ú7.54 per month for me, which is less than Ç10 I think... YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE TX'S ATTENTION SEEKING SIGNATURE www.txdp.co.uk
Joshua Foiritain Coreli Corporation	Posted - 2008.03.26 13:09:00 - [68] Originally by: Happy Merchant well lets see, here in the US our nation minimum wage is what 5.45 an hour... what is the minimum wage in europe... something like 10 euro All the way down to 3 euros actually, though not many people would bother getting up for that -----
Poreuomai Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.26 13:11:00 - [69] Originally by: Madrux why is it that in europe the monthly fee has not been scaled acordingly with the global exchange rate. based on euro to us dollar, the us are paying 9.6 euros a month but europeans are paying 14.99, for exactly the same service. please explain... The truth is ... CCP have nerfed the Euro!
Akyan InQuest Ascension	Posted - 2008.03.26 13:12:00 - [70] Edited by: Akyan on 26/03/2008 13:13:14 Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Happy Merchant well lets see, here in the US our nation minimum wage is what 5.45 an hour... what is the minimum wage in europe... something like 10 euro All the way down to 3 euros actually, though not many people would bother getting up for that Just for reference the minimum wage in the UK is ú5.52 (or around $11/Ç7), although it's not quiet a straight comparison as the cost of living in the UK is particularly high.

Cipher7 Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.26 13:43:00 - [71] All in all I think Euros prolly still live better. Yeah they pay more for everything, but so what, the basic necessities of life are covered. Here it's a rat race. There its more of a zen-work-is-noble-care-for-your-fellow-man type thing. Personally I'd rather live in Paris than New York. But not London. Anywhere but London.
Barzam School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.03.26 13:48:00 - [72] Edited by: Barzam on 26/03/2008 13:49:09 Originally by: Cipher7 Personally I'd rather live in Paris than New York. But not London. Anywhere but London. Jeez, Paris? Really? And you talk about snotty euro's! They're the epitaph of snotty euro's! Edit: I'd much rather live in Prague, Czech republic.. Beautiful city, cheap beer, cheap everything, nice people! \o/
Priest Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.03.26 14:01:00 - [73] The best solution is, everybody pays in the currency they earn their income. As of today this solution is still used by CCP. In this case no matter which direction exchange rates go it is CCP taking the risk and their player base keep paying the same amount . I can explain all the logic behind how CCP taking currency risk and why this is the way they protect their customers if these are confusing subjects. Original poster and anybody has concerns in this matter should understand prices of same services and goods change from country to country due to currency rates, taxes and other economical factors. What matters to customers is the price of the service compared to their income . CCP is an European based company and if other countries currencies lose value they are not supposed to lower their euro prices. In either case you will never end up paying less in terms of Euro , but if CCP changes policy other countries will start paying more. Beyond this point, getting jealous of the person living in the next country , or being greedy and trying to pay CCP less than the cost of service in your country are your personal matters. CCP's price policy is not hurting its customers, it is protecting them. What is good for Eve is good for the Temple Priest Amarr
Cipher7 Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.26 14:03:00 - [74] Originally by: Barzam Edited by: Barzam on 26/03/2008 13:49:09 Originally by: Cipher7 Personally I'd rather live in Paris than New York. But not London. Anywhere but London. Jeez, Paris? Really? And you talk about snotty euro's! They're the epitaph of snotty euro's! Edit: I'd much rather live in Prague, Czech republic.. Beautiful city, cheap beer, cheap everything, nice people! \o/ I've had good experiences with the French, they're cool really. And no the women are not hairy.
Malar HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:02:00 - [75] Originally by: Voculus Quote: Now the fun starts. As US economy crumbles and european economy fluorishes European economy flourishing? Since when? You consider 10% unemployment great, and 15% acceptable. Here, that would be the beginning of another Great Derpression. Fluorishing was a relative term as in compared to the US economy. --------------------------------------------- Comments in this post are mine and mine only
CmdoColin Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:16:00 - [76] Originally by: Madrux why is it that in europe the monthly fee has not been scaled acordingly with the global exchange rate. based on euro to us dollar, the us are paying 9.6 euros a month but europeans are paying 14.99, for exactly the same service. please explain... Tax, your scum like politicans are fleecing you. They use the money so they can pay themselves for coming up with new ways to rip off the population they are supposed to serve. Why are you complaining here? Do something and start a fricken revolution rather than whining on these boards. In the mean time have some cheese with that. Audita et altera pars
Ssoraszh Tzarszh The Royal Engineers	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:17:00 - [77] Originally by: Madrux why is it that in europe the monthly fee has not been scaled acordingly with the global exchange rate. based on euro to us dollar, the us are paying 9.6 euros a month but europeans are paying 14.99, for exactly the same service. please explain... It is cause we Euro trash are proud of being rich, and generaly want to flaunt our green in your face. Also comparing Ç against $ is failboat as when the crisis hits the euro hard, and that will happen this diffrence will be nullified or maybe even reversed. (use eve-search.com to do some searched about this subject on the forums, its been like one of the oldest memes around.)
Andrue Hammers Academy	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:19:00 - [78] Edited by: Andrue on 26/03/2008 15:24:10 Originally by: Cipher7 How much is bread in Euros? I pay $1.39 for 1 loaf of italian bread. Gas is $3.39 per gallon Went to a dentist the other day cost me $250 to get a tooth pulled. Wages in the New York area average around 60k/year but theres alot of people living on 30-40k by living in the suburbs where the rents are lower. If you're healthy and like to work hard I think the living is MUCH better in America. The wages are a little lower but the VOLUME of available work of tremendous, you could work 80 hours a week if you wanted. If you're sick, lazy, alcoholic, drug addicted, unable to work, etc the living is MUCH better in Europe. You can't compare prices like that precisely because of the effect of exchange rates. It's also a bit bizarre to say that a it's great to work in a country because you can work an 80-hour week. I'd rather live in a country where I didn't have to work long hours. It's also rather interesting that most if not all the people desperate to slag-off the 'opposition' are Americans. Us European types seem content just to rebuff the comments and point out the current economic facts. Strange how defensive the US contigent are. Going back to the main topic, however, some of CCP's pain is going to be offset any time they buy stuff from America. Right now is a good time to be investing in American built hardware. I bet they can drive some really hard bargains with US suppliers and prices are nice. It's got so 'bad' with the dollar that even the stuff in Eve-store is reasonably priced. Even it wasn't branded it'd still be a reasonable price. It's just a shame they seem unable to fullfill orders half the time -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
CmdoColin Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:29:00 - [79] Brackley boy... I'm English... and we pay one of the highest tax levels in Europe. That is direct and indirect taxes. One Indirect being feul tax - our "gas" for our American friends in over $6 a gallon. Its gonna hurt us too soon as our economy is sliding down the crapper. I can be more technical... but it hurts most peoples heads and derals the thread... Either way I wouldn't be smug towards the "yanks" when the bank of England is so locked into anti inflation messures by the govenment we now have the fastest collapsing economy in the world. Britian is built on a service economy, and that is going to hurt a lot in a world reccession which we are busy spiriling into. But back to taxes... One of those EU taxes is VAT charged on games. And what does the apathetic EU population do? Whine at CCP. A company trying to compete on an international arena. The EU set up to encourage free trade... Audita et altera pars
Andrue Hammers Academy	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:34:00 - [80] Edited by: Andrue on 26/03/2008 15:34:34 Originally by: CmdoColin Brackley boy... Sadly not a boy any longer - bit too old to be called that. And I'm not being smug. I'm just pointing out a few facts. If you read my posts you'll see that I'm in contact with Americans all day. Overall there's not a lot to choose between US/UK. US/EU is another matter. Even harder to compare. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.

Kerfira University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:36:00 - [81] Originally by: CmdoColin Brackley boy... I'm English... and we pay one of the highest tax levels in Europe. That is direct and indirect taxes. One Indirect being feul tax - our "gas" for our American friends in over $6 a gallon. Please dry your eyes.... The UK actually has one of the lowest(!) overall taxations in Europe. In the UK, if you are on a very good income, you MAY reach 50% in direct and indirect taxes. In a country like Denmark, you may very well be at around 75% with a medium-high income. Countries like Germany, France etc. are almost as bad. A few are not, but most Western European countries are well above the UK. Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
CmdoColin Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:39:00 - [82] Sorry mate, not directed at you... was identifying and saying roughly what petrol gases prices were... other comments about "smugness" were directed elsewhere. Was actually agreeing with you Audita et altera pars
CmdoColin Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.26 15:49:00 - [83] Originally by: Kerfira In the UK, if you are on a very good income, you MAY reach 50% in direct and indirect taxes. Yes that's what Govenment likes to tell you. Direct and indirect taxes in the UK if you earn over 33k a year, drive, smoke and drink, you pay 90% tax. I suggest you actually add up what you are paying - especially come April, when they kick us for even more. No idea what the average family is. But that is what I pay on average. Direct - National Insurance contributions, and the like. Indirect - Road tax, VAT, Poll tax (community charge), fuel charges (that's heating your home driving your car etc) Pack of 20 cigarettes in the UK is now about $13USD Seriously... Kerfira do the maths. It is truely scary... Audita et altera pars
cpt rhodes Silver Eagles Imperium Aeternum	Posted - 2008.03.26 16:07:00 - [84] I agree with this. Just because the americans have*****ed up their currency, why should we pay allmost twice what they do? It is not exactly fair in my opinion.
roadrage639 VITA. Imperium Aeternum	Posted - 2008.03.26 16:07:00 - [85] Originally by: cpt rhodes I agree with this. Just because the americans have*****ed up their currency, why should we pay allmost twice what they do? It is not exactly fair in my opinion. agreed You are now reading my Sig.
CmdoColin Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.26 16:12:00 - [86] Originally by: roadrage639 Originally by: cpt rhodes I agree with this. Just because the americans have***ed up their currency, why should we pay allmost twice what they do? It is not exactly fair in my opinion. agreed Just what the politician order. People too thick to understand just how much damage their policies have done... but smart enough to find the polling station.... Audita et altera pars**
Jolliejoe Quad Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.03.26 16:14:00 - [87] Just buy GTC cards in $$$$ and you'll be almost paying the same amount as Americanos
cpt rhodes Silver Eagles Imperium Aeternum	Posted - 2008.03.26 16:17:00 - [88] Well considering that the average american IQ lies way below that of even a polish person it doesnt surprise me. And it merely amuses me that half of americas school children are unable to point out their country on a globe. Their lack of education also seems to be leading to the excessive increase in food intake, leading to obesity. They generally dont know whats good for them, be it foodwise or leaders of their own country. Heres perhaps an interesting example.. Please do watch the whole thing.. :) http://youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE
Tiberious Marz Fire Mandrill	Posted - 2008.03.26 17:11:00 - [89] Originally by: Malken the us goverment have no idea on how to keep a stable value on their money. soon all the mexicans in the us want their salarys paid in pesos. Its not our money its the Federal Reserve's money, lent to the US govenment w/ intrest. (the Federal Reserve is a private international BANK not a government institution, like many people believe)any fluxuation in value is b/c they see a profit-- Soon I will want to get paid in pesos, but will be paid in AMEROS. look it up.
Overwhelmed Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.03.26 17:15:00 - [90] EVE is a universe where everyone has guns and wants everyone else's money. The center is crawling with police. Surrounding the center is an area where the police are afraid to leave major travel routes because it is crawling with extremely violent gangs. On the outskirts (0.0), we have exclusive clans trying to build picket fences around their homes. Insurance fraud is common. So you see, Americans pay less because they aren't necessarily getting a unique experience from EVE.



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