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Omega Man
The Geddy Foundation
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Posted - 2008.03.28 11:51:00 -
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whoever were the "brains" behind stabbing BOB in the back should be removed from MC.
All the people in MC that agreed to it should be removed from MC.
It was a laughably bad decision.
So bad, I'd almost imagine coalition agitators had pushed for this change of stance.
Five minutes of thinking about what would happen next would have shown it was a terrible idea.
Those that suggested it and agreed with it have been the death of MC and in one stroke have ensured that for all of MCs achievements, they will go down in Eve history books for this poor decision.
Its pretty clear Seleene wants out.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.03.28 11:52:00 -
[152]
 Originally by: Sasha Lyre
I believe that MC, given their numbers, have achieved more than any other entity in eve.
That includes bob and trium.
The bile spewed forth in this thread and the blatant bull 'forum posts' are a sad echo from a once glorious alliance (bob) and their alts, also smashkill should know better, maybe not.
Anyone can have a welp day, when others have it there is nowhere near this amount of 'bile', I didn't see this kind of post when ra massacred a bob cap fleet recently.
Why is it happening? Probably because peoke made the thread, which was ill advised, that will become evident in the long run.
Also because bob and bob lovers are and always will be eternally enraged at mc, for smelling the way the wind blew and making a decision.
The blood raiders tell me they will be happy when delve is cleansed, unofficially ofc 
Given all the smack they have taken from third parties, I think SmashKill are allowed one little return shot - consisting largely of the enemies' own words - now that they seem to be performing rather better than they were given credit for here.
Ill-advised? Perhaps. But then it's not like they were widely loved and adored before was it?
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dalman
Finite Horizon
Synchr0nicity
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Posted - 2008.03.28 11:52:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Sasha Lyre
I believe that MC, given their numbers, have achieved more than any other entity in eve.
Yea, cause MC usually fight outnumbered...
I mean, it's not like the usual situation is that two rather equal alliances go at each other, and then one of them bring in MC to omgwtfblob the enemy
The hard truth is that MC has never done anything by themselves and they've always had their home protected by BoB.
Now they're trying to go (almost) alone (only the blob supports of KIA etc), and it's not looking good.
Am I forced to have any regret?
I've become the lie, beautiful and free
In my righteous own mind
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Sextus Licinius
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.03.28 12:34:00 -
[154]
Originally by: USN CVN72
Ding Ding USN Arriving.
As a pvp Leader and personnel Liaison for Roadkill i will say this about the recent attention given to SmashKill and Co.
Last 3 months in eve there has been lots of pressure against Smashkill. There has been some intense fighting and lots of learning experiences. Tri/RA/xXDeathXx/ED/Wives/Kids/Work... All the mentioned has been a real handful to stand up against. There has been many times that Smash/RK and Co. have looked like total nuubs during pvp. Many occasions were we just lost crazy amounts of assets do to poor decisions. Also there have been times that victory have been stolen from us do to node crashes. Tri will agree that smash/RK and Co. had in our grasp 4 mothership kills if the node didnt crash and reset in bwf.
Up north in drone regions Smash/RK worked very hard even while being engaged locally to help with our friends in and around 9IZ. It took almost 2 months before SG/xXDeathXx and Friends to take over 9IZ station system. This call to arms up north put enormous amounts of pressure on Smash/Kill but taught us many lessons on fighting multiple fronts at the same time.
The recent contract with MC has been interesting because what i seen from them was that they decided in the beginning to do traditional engagements. RK/Smash and Co. have been kept busy recently with MC and whoever else fighting in our area. Thank You MC for changing the pace this last week. Our Older Leaders in RK know of MC's ability and what your alliance has contributed to the ever changing Eve Universe. We do not care what others are saying about the state of MC. All we know is if we let our guard down things will change quickly overnight because we have seen MC at work in the past...
I hope Roadkill and Smash have appreciated the recent attention given to our alliance and i hope everyone has learned more about pvp including against super capitals. This will not be the last time enemies will come knocking on our door steps in multiple fronts. Roadkill/Smash may not be the brightest students in class but we do learn. We do not know the meaning of failure. Even if we fail we wake up the next morning and keep on fighting. Today is a great day to die...
Ding Ding USN Departing. 
 Look how totally happy this guy is, this is the point of the game imo, to make ppl have fun and reunite them.
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Neesa Corrinne
Black Watch Legionnaires
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Posted - 2008.03.28 12:34:00 -
[155]
BoB used to make posts like this. Then everyone turned on them and now look how many systems they own.
Be careful of your hubris.
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Rod Blaine
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.28 12:51:00 -
[156]
Edited by: Rod Blaine on 28/03/2008 12:54:48
Originally by: USN CVN72
As a pvp Leader and personnel Liaison
what ?
You must be kidding.
Anyway,
Go MC !
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Shinori
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.28 13:10:00 -
[157]
This is when leadership matters.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2008.03.28 13:15:00 -
[158]
The content and spirit of the posts in this thread demonstrate that CAOD is completely irrelevant and stuffed to the gills with self-important altpost cretins.
Look at what you're posting. Before MC separated from BoB, everyone screamed "BoB pets! ololo! MC FAIL!" Now that they've left, you're screaming "Shoulda stayed with BoB! orfofl! MC FAIL!" Damned if they do, damned if they don't, right?
MC hasn't failed. MC has fought contracts against the likes of people that'd make most of you crap your shorts and instadock. So, just because they didn't do too well in one engagement, one out of thousands, the alliance is supposedly on the brink of ruin? Merc corps DO occasionally screw up, you know - god knows I have my share of screw-ups. They're just experiencing growing pains. Besides, a merc corp's job is to kill, not to look good on killboards with great ratios - losses are irrelevant if they're taken in the name of a contract.
The thing about MC is that they chose to be PVP mercs. They're amazing at it, but no matter how good you are, there's always the chance of losing a ship to ship engagement, and that has to be factored into any committing of forces. This is why we didn't go the direct PVP route in GH-SC, we knew we'd suck at it compared to the big alliances stomping around, and weren't willing to take those kinds of losses. Every time they commit, they run the risk of something bad happening. This takes balls. I don't see them disappearing any time soon, tbh.
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Antithysis
Athanasius Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.28 13:25:00 -
[159]
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
The content and spirit of the posts in this thread demonstrate that CAOD is completely irrelevant and stuffed to the gills with self-important altpost cretins.
Look at what you're posting. Before MC separated from BoB, everyone screamed "BoB pets! ololo! MC FAIL!" Now that they've left, you're screaming "Shoulda stayed with BoB! orfofl! MC FAIL!" Damned if they do, damned if they don't, right?
MC hasn't failed. MC has fought contracts against the likes of people that'd make most of you crap your shorts and instadock. So, just because they didn't do too well in one engagement, one out of thousands, the alliance is supposedly on the brink of ruin? Merc corps DO occasionally screw up, you know - god knows I have my share of screw-ups. They're just experiencing growing pains. Besides, a merc corp's job is to kill, not to look good on killboards with great ratios - losses are irrelevant if they're taken in the name of a contract.
The thing about MC is that they chose to be PVP mercs. They're amazing at it, but no matter how good you are, there's always the chance of losing a ship to ship engagement, and that has to be factored into any committing of forces. This is why we didn't go the direct PVP route in GH-SC, we knew we'd suck at it compared to the big alliances stomping around, and weren't willing to take those kinds of losses. Every time they commit, they run the risk of something bad happening. This takes balls. I don't see them disappearing any time soon, tbh.
Quoting this for truth.
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XxAngelxX
The Illuminati.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.28 13:28:00 -
[160]
I thought Tortuga was doomed from start to finish. I thought MC wouldn't survive without BoB's group of friendly alliances to provide them with a proper "fleet". I thought MC chose an exceptionally bad time to leave BoB's side.
Having said all that, having just fought Smashkill, I:
1) don't think Peoke's in any place to comment as Smash are still crap
2) Think MC have done fine against RK and Atlas without using capitals and with their small numbers against the blob.
One thing I have to disagree with is that the opinion above about MC being the best alliance in the game. They're good at what they do yes, which is take a contract, set a HELL of a lot of people blue and go and shoot 1 entity. I don't think it makes them exceptional.
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Wesley Baird
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.28 13:28:00 -
[161]
Edited by: Wesley Baird on 28/03/2008 13:28:24
Originally by: Neesa Corrinne
BoB used to make posts like this. Then everyone turned on them and now look how many systems they own.
Be careful of your hubris.
You must be new...this is Peoke 
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Aypse
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.28 13:41:00 -
[162]
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
So, just because they didn't do too well in one engagement, one out of thousands
Quotin' this for inaccuracy, after actually looking at the killboard.
Originally by: Oveur
Eve is primarily a PVP game and hence our focus is on making that experience balanced.
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Spartac0
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.03.28 13:46:00 -
[163]
Originally by: Sasha Lyre
I believe that MC, given their numbers, have achieved more than any other entity in eve.
That includes bob and trium.
Would you please enlighten us about these achievements?
on a side note, why are people saying stuff like: people that made the decision of backstabbing bob should leave MC?
The fact that MC left the hard side cause they couldn't handle the pressure of the siege in delve pretty much proves their worth as an adversary not to mention that by betraying the ones that really could protect them (and did for so long) really made MC show their true colors.
I saw a lot of BOB members upset with them turning red, but it was more the motive than the action.
MC made their choice, they will have to live (or die) with it.
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Mynas Atoch
Eternity INC.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.03.28 13:51:00 -
[164]
We got our asses kicked in a serious of engagements by Smash and Roadkill during a short 5 day excursion where we limited ourselves to conventional ships with emphasis on pushing the limits of our RR BS Tactics.
Their mobility was better then we expected. We are looking again at our own jump bridge network to expand it and use it as effectively as they did theirs, and are going to ensure the oppositions network is adequately mapped in future contracts.
Their counter to our RR BS was excellent from the first hostile contact. In particular as noted above, the limits on the size and of on-grid mobility of our RR BS fleet was exposed and found wanting.
Our turn out was poor, particularly midweek. We had some internal drama and one corp out on a solo job for part of it. But an underlying problem of some of our older corps just not turning out for organized PVP was exposed. I doubt we are the first alliance to have this problem, but its disappointing and being addressed.
All of these combined have left us with the conclusion that MC should be immediately wound up.
BDCI are merging with BNC
FRICK are starting a new alliance .. Somthing About Squids.
CONIN have applied to and been rejected by Privateers
ETNY have joined Goonfleet
SERA shouted at me a lot in German about not following orders
Vidar are rejoining TRI
Thanks for coming. Sorry to disappoint both people who were rooting for us.
Myn
Sir Molle says : Mynas is Dead!
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Anne Lewis
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.28 13:56:00 -
[165]
Originally by: XxAngelxX
One thing I have to disagree with is that the opinion above about MC being the best alliance in the game. They're good at what they do yes, which is take a contract, set a HELL of a lot of people blue and go and shoot 1 entity. I don't think it makes them exceptional.
That's the difference. Others think that maybe MC is the best entity within Eve. But I can't remember that MC claims to be the best. They do their best but they've never been that arrogant to claim this title afaik.
Originally by: Spartac0
Originally by: Sasha Lyre
I believe that MC, given their numbers, have achieved more than any other entity in eve.
That includes bob and trium.
Would you please enlighten us about these achievements?
on a side note, why are people saying stuff like: people that made the decision of backstabbing bob should leave MC?
The fact that MC left the hard side cause they couldn't handle the pressure of the siege in delve pretty much proves their worth as an adversary not to mention that by betraying the ones that really could protect them (and did for so long) really made MC show their true colors.
I saw a lot of BOB members upset with them turning red, but it was more the motive than the action.
MC made their choice, they will have to live (or die) with it.
How about beeing autonomous like everone in Eve demanded from MC? Now they are and it's no good. Like someone before said already no matter which descission they make or what side they choose it's evertime wrong in somebodies eyes.
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thoth foc
Arcane Technologies
The Five
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Posted - 2008.03.28 13:58:00 -
[166]
Originally by: Mynas Atoch
We got our asses kicked in a serious of engagements by Smash and Roadkill during a short 5 day excursion where we limited ourselves to conventional ships with emphasis on pushing the limits of our RR BS Tactics.
*cough* Dont forget it was a "contract"
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xBOS (CA)
ATUK (.5.)
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Crovan
Eternity INC.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.03.28 13:59:00 -
[167]
Originally by: Mynas Atoch
ETNY have joined Goonfleet
I for one welcome our new brosefs.
The Drone Bay Podcast
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ScrubbyGarrett
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.28 13:59:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Look at what you're posting. Before MC separated from BoB, everyone screamed "BoB pets! ololo! MC FAIL!" Now that they've left, you're screaming "Shoulda stayed with BoB! orfofl! MC FAIL!" Damned if they do, damned if they don't, right?
I too think it was a bad decision to turn their backs on us. Especially the way they did it. They could have just declare their independence go north and settle down somewhere there. Without claiming our space and backstabbing us...
This way they ruined they reputation. Before they were seen as bob-pets now they're hyenas... They gained nothing from this move, no independence and no neutrality.
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Gareish
Tin Foil
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.28 14:05:00 -
[169]
Originally by: Mynas Atoch
We got our asses kicked in a serious of engagements by Smash and Roadkill during a short 5 day excursion where we limited ourselves to conventional ships with emphasis on pushing the limits of our RR BS Tactics.
Their mobility was better then we expected. We are looking again at our own jump bridge network to expand it and use it as effectively as they did theirs, and are going to ensure the oppositions network is adequately mapped in future contracts.
Their counter to our RR BS was excellent from the first hostile contact. In particular as noted above, the limits on the size and of on-grid mobility of our RR BS fleet was exposed and found wanting.
Our turn out was poor, particularly midweek. We had some internal drama and one corp out on a solo job for part of it. But an underlying problem of some of our older corps just not turning out for organized PVP was exposed. I doubt we are the first alliance to have this problem, but its disappointing and being addressed.
Mynas you are not a diplomat. You should not be posting on COAD, remember?
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Garia666
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
White Core
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Posted - 2008.03.28 14:10:00 -
[170]
all good things come to an end.. this will count for everything in ,life..
if it brakes up.. fine if they last longer..
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CCP Chronotis
Amarr boost is coming in a future dev blog, lets keep this on topic
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Princess Jodi
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2008.03.28 14:15:00 -
[171]
Peoke, very nice thread.
Do not think that this constitutes a proper English sentence from you, however. Quoting other people who can actually write the English language does not count.
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Mihailo Great
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.28 14:19:00 -
[172]
Originally by: ScrubbyGarrett
This way they ruined they reputation. Before they were seen as bob-pets now they're hyenas... They gained nothing from this move, no independence and no neutrality.
hyena > bob pet
They're slowly moving up, you're just seeing it different cause they gave you the finger.
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King Hopy
Beasts of Burden
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Posted - 2008.03.28 14:22:00 -
[173]
Originally by: Razvic
Originally by: LUCKY HEADY
this is nice lol !!
- we fight outnummbert on a enemy station (double Bs or more)
- the enemy have 5 Carrier and a mom in dock range for support
- enemy support is many more than MC
- enemy dock and come out with new ships
how many of you heroes would not fight to 20% there oh no wait times 5%!!!
sorry for the bad english !!
and is only a game
A MOM can not dock you noob, Nice recruit you got there MC, keep up the good work, you guys are doing an excellent job these days....
Oh and btw, It wasnt just one loss, MC has been crap for a long time now and only survived off of politics and the shadow they have stood in for so long.
Today MC is weak, and nothing that it used to be, Just a below-average PVP alliance tbh.
Just had to do this... where exactly do you see him say that moms can dock? That's right, nowhere. Noob.
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Garia666
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
White Core
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Posted - 2008.03.28 14:27:00 -
[174]
Originally by: King Hopy
Originally by: Razvic
Originally by: LUCKY HEADY
this is nice lol !!
- we fight outnummbert on a enemy station (double Bs or more)
- the enemy have 5 Carrier and a mom in dock range for support
- enemy support is many more than MC
- enemy dock and come out with new ships
how many of you heroes would not fight to 20% there oh no wait times 5%!!!
sorry for the bad english !!
and is only a game
A MOM can not dock you noob, Nice recruit you got there MC, keep up the good work, you guys are doing an excellent job these days....
Oh and btw, It wasnt just one loss, MC has been crap for a long time now and only survived off of politics and the shadow they have stood in for so long.
Today MC is weak, and nothing that it used to be, Just a below-average PVP alliance tbh.
Just had to do this... where exactly do you see him say that moms can dock? That's right, nowhere. Noob.
and a mom in dock range for support
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CCP Chronotis
Amarr boost is coming in a future dev blog, lets keep this on topic
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Sasha Lyre
Blood Music
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Posted - 2008.03.28 14:32:00 -
[175]
Originally by: Spartac0
Originally by: Sasha Lyre
I believe that MC, given their numbers, have achieved more than any other entity in eve.
That includes bob and trium.
Would you please enlighten us about these achievements?
on a side note, why are people saying stuff like: people that made the decision of backstabbing bob should leave MC?
The fact that MC left the hard side cause they couldn't handle the pressure of the siege in delve pretty much proves their worth as an adversary not to mention that by betraying the ones that really could protect them (and did for so long) really made MC show their true colors.
I saw a lot of BOB members upset with them turning red, but it was more the motive than the action.
MC made their choice, they will have to live (or die) with it.
MC tor apart the north of eve, with their own cap fleet.
Several alliances were left homeless after the MC visit.
The righteous indignation displayed by bob, their alts and fanbrigade is quite emo tbh, why shouldn't MC decide to do their own thing.
At the time they did it bob were trying to break LV's record for failure cascading.
To see in this and other threads how 'great' is bobs comeback is laughable, I suppose if you call losing 6 or so regions and having perma ops to hunt moon mining pos, a comeback, then go bob.
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King Hopy
Beasts of Burden
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Posted - 2008.03.28 14:33:00 -
[176]
Yeah so 4 carriers and a mom were sitting in docking range repairing support. Where does it say that he thinks the mom can dock?
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dor amwar
Foundation
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.03.28 14:53:00 -
[177]
i for one was looking forward to getting schooled by mc, much in the same way that i learned some things by not only tri's visit but others as well. sadly it seems like i didn't miss much. i'm sure mc will give us another visit soon for another little test. unfortunately, i was in the drone regions getting schooled in the same old ccp lesson of lag and desync. think i've learned this one now, can't we change the program ccp?
it is getting more and more to be the case that i have to spend more time, in even medium size engagements, fighting with the client then with the opposing fleet. when you see more comments on the forums about how the games problems won/loss the engagement then the tactics used, there is a problem. double so when those problems are the tactics. |
Fendragun
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.28 15:02:00 -
[178]
Tearing up the north is a sporting tour for most alliances.
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Former DICE ceo
Former ATUK director
Former MACE ceo
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ZenTex
Interstellar eXodus
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.03.28 15:33:00 -
[179]
Bit too much MC bashing in here.
So, they got their arses kicked? Happens to the best. Once in a while you meet an opponent who seems to have the perfect anti-style for your tactics. In this case it's Smash, cause for much hilarity.
But what MC have achieved in the past is not to sneeze about. They've had much happening to them in the past few months. Wether that was a good or bad dicision is yet to be seen, but I think turning away from bob and forming a true independent entity requires guts and provides a challenge.
I'd say MC are adapting, they may or may not be succesful in the future, but I doubt they will fizzle out into oblivion.
MC were and maybe still are a formidable entity. Future will tell.
There's little a sledgehammer can't fix.
If you can't fix it, you need a bigger sledgehammer.
If it's unfixable, blame CCP. :p
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Wyverns of Dionysus
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.03.28 15:40:00 -
[180]
Yes of course MC are a formidable entity, but a really really really overhyped one, that's why people flame and troll them, their attitudes and egos. (lol glass houses)
Like Angel said, MC are good at managing vast hordes of minions and they have a lot of capitals, great logistics and the will to use them. (unless AAA logged off nearby)
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