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Alexander Sangfroid
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Posted - 2008.04.05 04:03:00 -
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I did some looking and couldn't really find anything except for vague allegations of misconduct. Why do YOU hate/love goonswarm?
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Zeba
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.04.05 04:07:00 -
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Who?
 Originally by: Malcanis
Too many people confuse "Waah, I didn't get my own way" with 'poor customer service'.
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Tommy Meow
MURAKAMI INDUSTRIES
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Posted - 2008.04.05 04:09:00 -
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Goonswarm? You mean those SA guys who openly stated that they want to destroy EVE Online?
Naww man, why would we hate them? I mean, racist, sexist, irreverent, scamming, thieving, foul-mouthed bunch of people who still haven't outgrown their pre-pubescent years?
Naww, we couldn't hate them, could we?
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Darwin Duck
Ark Royals
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Posted - 2008.04.05 04:12:00 -
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Coz they are mean to BoB 
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Siigari Kitawa
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.04.05 04:12:00 -
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Sup goonie o/ (goon alt post detected)
I'm impartial to EVE goons themselves, however it is quite clear they making extreme movements ingame sometimes in order to create an issue that divides the rest of the eve population.
A lot of people see them as the saviors of EVE-- removing BOB and making the galaxy a better place. However there is a flipside.
They make movements and have ulterior motives that are questionable. I don't need to go through them; nor am I going to feed your desire for goons to be talked about. If you're posting a thread asking about goons I am sure you can google "goonfleet" and find some information.
I like goons though. Their ingame motives however sometimes have me shaking my head in shame :(
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2008.04.05 04:13:00 -
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Originally by: Tommy Meow
Goonswarm? You mean those SA guys who openly stated that they want to destroy EVE Online?
Naww man, why would we hate them? I mean, racist, sexist, irreverent, scamming, thieving, foul-mouthed bunch of people who still haven't outgrown their pre-pubescent years?
Naww, we couldn't hate them, could we?
Well, they DO have some allies, so I guess they are doing something right, strangely enough. Not that I for the life of me can understand who wants to NAP with them.
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Zeba
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Posted - 2008.04.05 04:17:00 -
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Originally by: Darwin Duck
Coz they are mean to BoB
BoB screwed themselves. Bunch of leet organizers with iron discipline and a killer plan but not a clue in the whole wide world of what PR is. This is why they /fail and the goonies are gaining ground sad as it may sound. 
Originally by: Malcanis
Too many people confuse "Waah, I didn't get my own way" with 'poor customer service'.
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Rawr Cristina
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Posted - 2008.04.05 04:20:00 -
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but... there are no goons  
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Concordokken Plox
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Posted - 2008.04.05 04:21:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
goonies are gaining ground sad as it may sound.
haha, that's a good joke
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Darwin Duck
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Posted - 2008.04.05 04:23:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Darwin Duck
Coz they are mean to BoB
BoB screwed themselves. Bunch of leet organizers with iron discipline and a killer plan but not a clue in the whole wide world of what PR is. This is why they /fail and the goonies are gaining ground sad as it may sound.
But EVE-Online is for BoB 
http://ftp.bobonair.com/Eve-Online_is_for_BoB.mp3
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Crackzilla
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Posted - 2008.04.05 04:25:00 -
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So many ways to play this game...
Some play to win at all costs.
Some play to grief others.
Some play to watch the pretty colors when they pop.
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Barbelo Valentinian
Liberty Corporation
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Posted - 2008.04.05 04:41:00 -
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Originally by: Alexander Sangfroid
I did some looking and couldn't really find anything except for vague allegations of misconduct. Why do YOU hate/love goonswarm?
Well hate is too strong a word, but dislike - because of their avowed contempt for immersion. They glory in appearing to be jerks sitting behind computers. I too am a jerk sitting behind a computer, but I like to pretend to be a spaceship pilot in-game. Goonies think that the whole concept of pretending you're a spaceship pilot is a joke; therefore, to my mind, they have no real place in EVE and morally don't deserve it - i.e. don't deserve to be able to use assets that were designed with loving care to create an immersive universe for players to play spaceship pilots.
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Quelque Chose
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.04.05 04:42:00 -
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I think a much better question is, "why does goonswarm hate us?"
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Talon Aidian
Skill Level Six
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Posted - 2008.04.05 04:43:00 -
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I hate Goonswarm because they chose to attack me, and did so dishonorably. Because they have demonstrated both dishonorable conduct in combat and unprovoked hostility, how else can I react than to hate such players?
Goonswarm has earned a complete and absolute ban from me. I will not knowingly provide services to corp or alliance that includes even a single player who has ever been a member of a Goonswarm corp. Any alliance or corp hiring such low life players is obviously no better than the Goons, and should be treated the same way.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.04.05 04:44:00 -
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I love goonswarm because you all hate it! 
And Goonswarm hates you because you not goons
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Zeba
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.04.05 04:45:00 -
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Originally by: Quelque Chose
I think a much better question is, "why does goonswarm hate us?"
Angst.
Originally by: Malcanis
Too many people confuse "Waah, I didn't get my own way" with 'poor customer service'.
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Dirk Magnum
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Posted - 2008.04.05 04:47:00 -
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Goonswarm produces a target-rich environment for BoB, so I can't complain. They also embarrassed themselves trying to take Delve, so again, I can't complain.
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Quelque Chose
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Posted - 2008.04.05 05:11:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 05/04/2008 04:45:12
Goonswarm hates you because you not goons
... and there you have it. For what it's worth I don't like hippies or republicans either.
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Jenny McFarty
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Posted - 2008.04.05 05:25:00 -
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I spend 0 seconds a day thinking about them. As should everyone else. They'll get bored, they always do.
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Asuka Smith
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Posted - 2008.04.05 06:15:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 05/04/2008 04:45:12
I love goonswarm because you all hate it!
And Goonswarm hates you because you not goons
and Talon, Goonswarm is an alliance, not a corp
What if I got a SA account but think goonfleet is run poorly so I joined a different corp? Am I loved or hated?
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Shoukei
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Posted - 2008.04.05 06:29:00 -
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CAOD is ------> way. stick to it please
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.04.05 06:30:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
BoB screwed themselves. Bunch of leet organizers with iron discipline and a killer plan but not a clue in the whole wide world of what PR is. This is why they /fail and the goonies are gaining ground sad as it may sound.
^^This.
Arrogance bit them in their collective asses.
With SA's avowed desire to destroy EVE I cannot see how they gain any allies ever. Realpolitik I guess.
If they agreed they love EVE (and frankly I think EVE has converted many of them...just a gut feeling) and were doing their thing then rock on.
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Waterfowl Democracy
The Ministry of Indigenous Affairs
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.04.05 06:45:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 05/04/2008 04:45:12
I love goonswarm because you all hate it!
And Goonswarm hates you because you not goons
and Talon, Goonswarm is an alliance, not a corp
And all of Goonswarm hates you and your horrible posts.
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Everyone Dies
Lucky Tampon
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Posted - 2008.04.05 06:54:00 -
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umm without goons there wouldn't be much of an eve universe tbh
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Johnathan Mar
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Posted - 2008.04.05 06:59:00 -
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I dont hate the goons, I love them. They showed me the error of my ways with mining and how to make even more isk to the point I can buy game time cards with ISK as well as increased the interest of this game for me for atleast another couple of years by turning me away from such a boring professon.
I feel all x miners should find a goon and give him a nice big warm hug for their effort's. I mean if it werent for them then many people who used to mine for a professon would soon become bored and leave this game. Surely they have converted and convinced a large number of players to adapt and make more isk then they could have possibily have hoped for.
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rValdez5987
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Posted - 2008.04.05 07:02:00 -
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I dislike goonswarm for the simple fact that as stated, they exist to collectively ruin eve.
Whether or not that original goal has changed to something better is another story...
however, I do find the frequent use of control-q, multiple stabs, ibis's/pods/cloak ships, staying docked in station the entire time your logged in for multiple days.... Very annoying.
You dont realize how bad it is, until everytime you see a goon login on your list, you can name the exact station, in the exact system that he is in, off the top of your head, as well as the last time you camped him, who he was docked with, and hell even that funny guy in local and what he said.
or maybe thats just me...
My views and opinions are my own, not my corp or alliances.
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Bellum Eternus
Death of Virtue
Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.04.05 07:15:00 -
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Originally by: Alexander Sangfroid
I did some looking and couldn't really find anything except for vague allegations of misconduct. Why do YOU hate/love goonswarm?
Because every single one of them are catamites. Down to the last boy.
Bellum Eternus
[Vid] L E G E N D A R Y
[Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I |
Lilan Kahn
The Littlest Hobos
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.04.05 07:17:00 -
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Originally by: Everyone Dies
umm without goons there wouldn't be much of an eve universe tbh
we where doing fine before they came to the game
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.04.05 07:19:00 -
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Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 05/04/2008 07:22:53
Originally by: Waterfowl Democracy
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 05/04/2008 04:45:12
I love goonswarm because you all hate it!
And Goonswarm hates you because you not goons
and Talon, Goonswarm is an alliance, not a corp
And all of Goonswarm hates you and your horrible posts.
And yet here you are reading and replying to them... thank you for all the love 
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Posted - 2008.04.05 08:10:00 -
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The Goonswarm engine runs on people hate, sure it can work with cat hate or even dog hate, but they get best results are from people hate, just like Real Coke
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2008.04.05 08:10:00 -
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I liek Goonswarm.
Goons are teh best thing eva in Eve. They macht gaem beter and our Devs work harder cuz they alles find Eve problems.
I aslo liek to join Goons but no Goons want me. 
I am not a Goons gene.  
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Erotic Irony
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Posted - 2008.04.05 08:11:00 -
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Originally by: Lilan Kahn
Originally by: Everyone Dies
umm without goons there wouldn't be much of an eve universe tbh
we where doing fine before they came to the game
is it too late to get in on some sweet iss ipos
issssssssssssssssssssssssss
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Malcanis
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Posted - 2008.04.05 08:15:00 -
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I like goonswarm for one reason: they're funny.
Jeez people, it's just a game.
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TimMc
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Posted - 2008.04.05 08:40:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Originally by: Zeba
BoB screwed themselves. Bunch of leet organizers with iron discipline and a killer plan but not a clue in the whole wide world of what PR is. This is why they /fail and the goonies are gaining ground sad as it may sound.
^^This.
Arrogance bit them in their collective asses.
With SA's avowed desire to destroy EVE I cannot see how they gain any allies ever. Realpolitik I guess.
If they agreed they love EVE (and frankly I think EVE has converted many of them...just a gut feeling) and were doing their thing then rock on.
Yeah once Goons learned they had to play the game a couple years to be any good, they eventually got converted. Its mainly the trial accounts and new characters who give them a bad name - there are some good people there who lead the swarm of idiots.
And goonswarm don't actually have any allies. They pay Red Alliance to be friendly, if payments stopped then the game would become interesting again. Most people who are "allies" simply don't want to fight the massive number of goons.
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Selena Rayne
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Posted - 2008.04.05 08:49:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
I liek Goonswarm.
Goons are teh best thing eva in Eve. They macht gaem beter and our Devs work harder cuz they alles find Eve problems.
I aslo liek to join Goons but no Goons want me.
I am not a Goons gene.
Looks like a Goon bought the new Jenny account...
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Slez
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Posted - 2008.04.05 08:56:00 -
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Originally by: Tommy Meow
Goonswarm? You mean those SA guys who openly stated that they want to destroy EVE Online?
Naww man, why would we hate them? I mean, racist, sexist, irreverent, scamming, thieving, foul-mouthed bunch of people who still haven't outgrown their pre-pubescent years?
Naww, we couldn't hate them, could we?
smack spewing carebear is better?
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Ioci
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Posted - 2008.04.05 09:03:00 -
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Originally by: Darwin Duck
Coz they are mean to BoB
That's no reason to hate them.
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Dax Bandar
Ixion Defence Systems
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2008.04.05 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: Alexander Sangfroid
I did some looking and couldn't really find anything except for vague allegations of misconduct. Why do YOU hate/love goonswarm?
Goon troll ftw. 
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Doonoo Boonoo
Hedion University
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Posted - 2008.04.05 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: Barbelo Valentinian
Originally by: Alexander Sangfroid
I did some looking and couldn't really find anything except for vague allegations of misconduct. Why do YOU hate/love goonswarm?
Well hate is too strong a word, but dislike - because of their avowed contempt for immersion. They glory in appearing to be jerks sitting behind computers. I too am a jerk sitting behind a computer, but I like to pretend to be a spaceship pilot in-game. Goonies think that the whole concept of pretending you're a spaceship pilot is a joke; therefore, to my mind, they have no real place in EVE and morally don't deserve it - i.e. don't deserve to be able to use assets that were designed with loving care to create an immersive universe for players to play spaceship pilots.
Lookout everyone,it's another moral crusader advocating draconian measures be taken against people they are intolerant of.
Considering you seem to think game mechanics which are core elements of this game should be categorised as griefing I would say your mind is somewhat confused.
We already have our 'Forum Clown' thank you and you will have to go some to beat her.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.04.05 10:11:00 -
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Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo
We already have our 'Forum Clown' thank you and you will have to go some to beat her.
Yeah, you won't beat me! 
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2008.04.05 11:00:00 -
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There's a wired.com article about Goons and their thing. I'm afraid I'm not sure if I'm allowed to link it, since it contains some strong language.
Anyway, it was about griefing, and I suspect you could find it if you were so inclined.
I'll check with the mods and see if the link is ok, and edit accordingly if it is.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
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Posted - 2008.04.05 11:10:00 -
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Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 05/04/2008 11:11:01
Originally by: James Lyrus
There's a wired.com article about Goons and their thing. I'm afraid I'm not sure if I'm allowed to link it, since it contains some strong language.
Anyway, it was about griefing, and I suspect you could find it if you were so inclined.
I'll check with the mods and see if the link is ok, and edit accordingly if it is.
This one?
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Auron Shadowbane
Pelennor Swarm
Scorched Earth.
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Posted - 2008.04.05 11:47:00 -
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in a metaphysical way I like the goons cause I can easily dislike them and not feel bad for killing (although not many goons to kill in my area of space atm...) them or talking bad about them.
Its just they are some people who seam to enjoy to play the "bad guys" in this game. And i dont mean the cool, stylish way of "evil" like a mad scientist or some religious fanatics wanting to recreate society trough dead but the lowest form of vermin the galaxy has (like the general school bully, wanabe-pirate-gangsters, people who torture kittens, ...).
without evil there is no point in beeing good.
and without people without class&skill there is no point in haveing class&skill yourself.
goons are the spice of live just as the envious and therefore aggressive people are the thing that makes shiney cars, expensive watches, and so on exciting and intersting.
you dont feel good because you HAVE something but because you know there are people who DO NOT HAVE it. 
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Elliot Reid
Digital Fury Corporation
Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2008.04.05 11:54:00 -
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Listen to the recent "State of the Goonian" TS meeting that is doing the rounds. If that doesn't answer your question then you are probably ideal Goon material.
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Xanja
2H Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.05 11:54:00 -
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I couldn't give two sh**s about goons one way or the other.
BUT, knowing quite a lot of them in RL, the biggest mistake you can make is to underestimate them. They are generally quite well educated, most work in positions of power etc. Yet, they still behave like kids that never grew up, and that's what makes them dangerous.
Are they fools? For sure. Treat them as such though and it might come back to bite you in the arse.
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Talon Aidian
Skill Level Six
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Posted - 2008.04.05 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 05/04/2008 04:45:12
and Talon, Goonswarm is an alliance, not a corp
Please do the courtesy of actually reading a post before talking about it. It will probably let you avoid showing how little you understand.
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CRUSH BOSS
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Posted - 2008.04.05 13:44:00 -
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Well wrap me in fur and give me a big hug!
We fight for the ONE - We die for the ONE
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Barbelo Valentinian
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Posted - 2008.04.05 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo
Considering you seem to think game mechanics which are core elements of this game should be categorised as griefing I would say your mind is somewhat confused.
I've never said that. I've said that the core elements as they have been developed lend themselves to griefing all too easily and that CCP should ease back on that.
"Griefing" doesn't mean doing bad things in-game, in-character, to other players in-character - it just means deliberately annoying other players, especially, of course, newbies. It's a real-world relationship that steps outside the game, not an in-game relationship. It's the difference between playing a con-man or pirate in the game, who does bad things and makes other pod pilots suffer, and using game mechanisms that allow con-artistry and ganking simply to annoy another player.
Now, again, annoying other players isn't a criminal offence or morally wrong. It can even be quite funny. It just destroys the game for anyone other than the griefers, of whom, unfortunately, there aren't enough in the world to sustain a game like EVE. As CCP are finding out.
There seems to be a lot of confusion around these parts about the concept "it's just a game". On the one hand we have people extolling the dog-eat-dog nature of EVE because (supposedly) it teaches some people (who must of course be idiots in the real world) a real world "lesson" of some sort. All very Nietzschean and noble. But then when griefing is pointed out, suddenly "it's just a game". But if "it's just a game", it means that the scamming, ganking, etc., aren't real. They are make believe scamming and ganking. So how can they be "teaching a lesson"? Unless, secretly, the aim really is just to annoy other players. Oh, but then "it's just a game" again.
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Buyerr
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Posted - 2008.04.05 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Originally by: Zeba
BoB screwed themselves. Bunch of leet organizers with iron discipline and a killer plan but not a clue in the whole wide world of what PR is. This is why they /fail and the goonies are gaining ground sad as it may sound.
^^This.
Arrogance bit them in their collective asses.
With SA's avowed desire to destroy EVE I cannot see how they gain any allies ever. Realpolitik I guess.
If they agreed they love EVE (and frankly I think EVE has converted many of them...just a gut feeling) and were doing their thing then rock on.
i think you misunderstand the idea with "destroying eve".
as it have been "bob" was eve, and their way is where the game goes.
what i think they want to destroy is the influence that bob have had, and the fact that the game evolved around them and how they saw it from their very "one way" sight..
but that's just my idea, i don't like bob or goons, think they are both to extreme on each side of the line...
in general 0.0 politics is about one thing "own it all and kill anything that ain't ours" which i think is very wrong.. the whole point of power is to use it with care and use it to help the friendly and stop those who wants to destroy that friendly and good attitude.
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Buyerr
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Posted - 2008.04.05 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: Barbelo Valentinian
Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo
Considering you seem to think game mechanics which are core elements of this game should be categorised as griefing I would say your mind is somewhat confused.
I've never said that. I've said that the core elements as they have been developed lend themselves to griefing all too easily and that CCP should ease back on that.
"Griefing" doesn't mean doing bad things in-game, in-character, to other players in-character - it just means deliberately annoying other players, especially, of course, newbies. It's a real-world relationship that steps outside the game, not an in-game relationship. It's the difference between playing a con-man or pirate in the game, who does bad things and makes other pod pilots suffer, and using game mechanisms that allow con-artistry and ganking simply to annoy another player.
Now, again, annoying other players isn't a criminal offence or morally wrong. It can even be quite funny. It just destroys the game for anyone other than the griefers, of whom, unfortunately, there aren't enough in the world to sustain a game like EVE. As CCP are finding out.
There seems to be a lot of confusion around these parts about the concept "it's just a game". On the one hand we have people extolling the dog-eat-dog nature of EVE because (supposedly) it teaches some people (who must of course be idiots in the real world) a real world "lesson" of some sort. All very Nietzschean and noble. But then when griefing is pointed out, suddenly "it's just a game". But if "it's just a game", it means that the scamming, ganking, etc., aren't real. They are make believe scamming and ganking. So how can they be "teaching a lesson"? Unless, secretly, the aim really is just to annoy other players. Oh, but then "it's just a game" again.
irl it is only a matter of time before some one that acts like a ******* will have no place to hide and no friend to be with.
this is because you can't change person (use another char) irl, and that is what makes it balanced that you can do whatever the **** you like, cause other people can choice to ignore you (or kill you if you get to much out of control).
but in eve the fact of alts makes that balance impossible, this is where mechanic and rules comes in to stop people from doing stuff that other people would stop you from doing in a manner that they cannot do when in cyberspace..
the problem is, eve lack that mechanic and those rules....
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Daylen Drazzi
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.04.05 14:29:00 -
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Edited by: Daylen Drazzi on 05/04/2008 14:30:58
Edited by: Daylen Drazzi on 05/04/2008 14:30:14
Originally by: Tommy Meow
Goonswarm? You mean those SA guys who openly stated that they want to destroy EVE Online?
Naww man, why would we hate them? I mean, racist, sexist, irreverent, scamming, thieving, foul-mouthed bunch of people who still haven't outgrown their pre-pubescent years?
Naww, we couldn't hate them, could we?
Christ, are people still bringing up that crap about us wanting to destroy the game? If that had even a hint of truth to it don't you think our membership would have all but disappeared in the light of CCP's investigations? Sorry pal, but you've fallen for some PR hack's line of bull****. We're still here, we're still playing, and we're still having fun. Next meme.
And let's see - thieving and scamming are considered legitimate tactics in the game and are practiced far more competently by other alliances and folks back in empire - don't go lumping that mess completely on us. We at least let you know that if you're stupid enough to not follow recruitment procedures and try to bypass them by floating around some isk that you'll be losing some money. We're very honest in that regard. Actually, you can trust us that we'll do it.
Hmm, sexist, racist, irreverent and foul-mouthed - you got us on that one. But then, so are you. So is pretty much everyone at one time. You keep throwing that **** in our face, so we run with it because of how much it ****es you off. You're nothing special, and you sure as hell aren't some patron saint of tolerance for multi-cultural diversity, so get down off the high horse.
So some of you hate Goonfleet - works for us. Go ahead and wardec us over it. Come to 0.0 and give the folks who didn't move to Delve something to shoot at. Just head south - we won't be that hard to find.
"Ya see us Goons neva lose,
If we'r dead, we'r dead so nobody cares,
If'n we win we'v won, so's only we cares
If'n we run away we always come back later
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Originally by: Daylen Drazzi
Edited by: Daylen Drazzi on 05/04/2008 14:30:58
Edited by: Daylen Drazzi on 05/04/2008 14:30:14
Originally by: Tommy Meow
Goonswarm? You mean those SA guys who openly stated that they want to destroy EVE Online?
Naww man, why would we hate them? I mean, racist, sexist, irreverent, scamming, thieving, foul-mouthed bunch of people who still haven't outgrown their pre-pubescent years?
Naww, we couldn't hate them, could we?
Christ, are people still bringing up that crap about us wanting to destroy the game? If that had even a hint of truth to it don't you think our membership would have all but disappeared in the light of CCP's investigations? Sorry pal, but you've fallen for some PR hack's line of bull****. We're still here, we're still playing, and we're still having fun. Next meme.
And let's see - thieving and scamming are considered legitimate tactics in the game and are practiced far more competently by other alliances and folks back in empire - don't go lumping that mess completely on us. We at least let you know that if you're stupid enough to not follow recruitment procedures and try to bypass them by floating around some isk that you'll be losing some money. We're very honest in that regard. Actually, you can trust us that we'll do it.
Hmm, sexist, racist, irreverent and foul-mouthed - you got us on that one. But then, so are you. So is pretty much everyone at one time. You keep throwing that **** in our face, so we run with it because of how much it ****es you off. You're nothing special, and you sure as hell aren't some patron saint of tolerance for multi-cultural diversity, so get down off the high horse.
So some of you hate Goonfleet - works for us. Go ahead and wardec us over it. Come to 0.0 and give the folks who didn't move to Delve something to shoot at. Just head south - we won't be that hard to find.
First intelligent post in this thread.
And it was from a Goon.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Celeste Coeval
The Gosimer and Scarab
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Posted - 2008.04.05 14:38:00 -
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I have goons to red.
I don't dislike them at all, I disagree with their philosophy is all.
Bob are also red:)
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Hedion University
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Posted - 2008.04.05 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Barbelo Valentinian
Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo
Considering you seem to think game mechanics which are core elements of this game should be categorised as griefing I would say your mind is somewhat confused.
I've never said that. I've said that the core elements as they have been developed lend themselves to griefing all too easily and that CCP should ease back on that.
"Griefing" doesn't mean doing bad things in-game, in-character, to other players in-character - it just means deliberately annoying other players, especially, of course, newbies. It's a real-world relationship that steps outside the game, not an in-game relationship. It's the difference between playing a con-man or pirate in the game, who does bad things and makes other pod pilots suffer, and using game mechanisms that allow con-artistry and ganking simply to annoy another player.
If I got scammed or my Hulk ganked by Goons I would be annoyed but I would be annoyed with myself not the scammer/ganker because I would have done something wrong or not taken precautions to minimize my risks.It doesn't matter to me what the motivation was behind it.
Originally by: Barbelo Valentinian
Now, again, annoying other players isn't a criminal offence or morally wrong. It can even be quite funny. It just destroys the game for anyone other than the griefers, of whom, unfortunately, there aren't enough in the world to sustain a game like EVE. As CCP are finding out.
So,you admit that something which you find 'funny' might be found to be 'not funny' by someone else.
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There seems to be a lot of confusion around these parts about the concept "it's just a game". On the one hand we have people extolling the dog-eat-dog nature of EVE because (supposedly) it teaches some people (who must of course be idiots in the real world) a real world "lesson" of some sort.
They do?
Originally by: Barbelo Valentinian
All very Nietzschean and noble. But then when griefing is pointed out, suddenly "it's just a game". But if "it's just a game", it means that the scamming, ganking, etc., aren't real. They are make believe scamming and ganking. So how can they be "teaching a lesson"? Unless, secretly, the aim really is just to annoy other players. Oh, but then "it's just a game" again.
That would be your 'non applicable' definition of griefing.
The last part of your post is just.......weird.
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Sarwaka Foehammer
The Same 20 Guys
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Posted - 2008.04.05 15:10:00 -
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Hate Goons is such strong terminology.
Personally I would rather go for: Pity, have no respect for and thank god I am not a.
I think that the main problem is that they have had egotistic asshats with delusions of grandeur as leaders since their inception, much like other alliances I might mention.
Their only real strength has been their numbers and their willingness to die on every op they fly on. Nowadays things seem to be changing however. As their failed campaign to take Delve has shown, todays Goonswarm lacks the commitment, and more importantly the skills, to follow through on their promises.
We should not hate the Goons, they have accomplished much and caused the greatest political upheaval EVE has ever known, the EVE-verse is better off because of it. Make no mistake, their part of the great epic story that this wonderful game is far from over. However I doubt that they will ever again be as effective as in their glory days, back when they helped take out -V- and LV. They may not be ready to pack it in yet, but they stand on feet of clay, controlling far more space than they can ever hope to effectively police or fully exploit, much the same position as LV found themselves in, back when this whole mess started.
And dont hate their smacktalking either, every 400 posts or so one of them manages a true pice of comedy gold, carefully hidden away like a diamond in a pile of manure, but there to be found for those willing to get their arms dirty to the elbow
Thanks a lot Goonswarm, you guys make me laugh!
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JonVe
The Greater Goon
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.04.05 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: TimMc
Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Originally by: Zeba
BoB screwed themselves. Bunch of leet organizers with iron discipline and a killer plan but not a clue in the whole wide world of what PR is. This is why they /fail and the goonies are gaining ground sad as it may sound.
^^This.
Arrogance bit them in their collective asses.
With SA's avowed desire to destroy EVE I cannot see how they gain any allies ever. Realpolitik I guess.
If they agreed they love EVE (and frankly I think EVE has converted many of them...just a gut feeling) and were doing their thing then rock on.
Yeah once Goons learned they had to play the game a couple years to be any good, they eventually got converted. Its mainly the trial accounts and new characters who give them a bad name - there are some good people there who lead the swarm of idiots.
And goonswarm don't actually have any allies. They pay Red Alliance to be friendly, if payments stopped then the game would become interesting again. Most people who are "allies" simply don't want to fight the massive number of goons.
Phew, thanks for reminding me, I need to get my payment over to Nync by Sunday. You are a life asver.
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Liberty Corporation
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Posted - 2008.04.05 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo
If I got scammed or my Hulk ganked by Goons I would be annoyed but I would be annoyed with myself not the scammer/ganker because I would have done something wrong or not taken precautions to minimize my risks.It doesn't matter to me what the motivation was behind it.
That takes for granted the idea that CCP has perfectly balanced the game, which is highly unlikely even in the abstract, and especially unlikely given that they've invited griefers into this game to a degree no other game has ever done. (And just to be clear on this: I'm not talking about the existence of in-game mechanisms that allow scams, ganking, etc.)
Originally by: Barbelo Valentinian
Now, again, annoying other players isn't a criminal offence or morally wrong. It can even be quite funny. It just destroys the game for anyone other than the griefers, of whom, unfortunately, there aren't enough in the world to sustain a game like EVE. As CCP are finding out.
So,you admit that something which you find 'funny' might be found to be 'not funny' by someone else.
Of course - did you think I thought otherwise?
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Unfortunately you are wrong.Eve subscriptions are on the up and they have more paid accounts than ever.It continues to break records win awardsgain good reviews and CCP are finding out that there are lots of people this game appeals to and understand what they have created.For every person that quits another 5 subscribe.
If this were all there is to it then CONCORD would not have been made invincible, and "hardcore" players would not be complaining about how "safe" parts of the game are compared to the old days.
I see some vets (some of them not actually all that veteran) complaining that CCP has been carebearing the game because they've been "listening to the whiners", which is the reason why said vets do their best to flame said "whiners" on the forums. But this betrays a laughable misunderstanding of how devs use forums. Sure, they monitor the forums and take some account of what peoples' opinions and ideas are on forums; but the greater weight of influence on their balancing adjustments comes from the information that you and I are not privy to that they get from datamining their own game. A game's devs know exactly what's going on in a way you or I will never know.
Now given (what should be obvious) that the forums aren't a particularly important influence on the devs, and given that this game's design charter was for a player-run, open PvP roleplaying game that allows adult, moral decision making, why are they are gradually forcing the game to be "safer" in certain ways? Is it a sign of greed or a sign of growing desperation?
I leave this thought as an exercise for your brain cell.
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Posted - 2008.04.05 16:54:00 -
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Ban all flambait posters please
or wtb less professional mods that lock threads just because
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Posted - 2008.04.05 17:16:00 -
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Edited by: Doonoo Boonoo on 05/04/2008 17:18:00
Edited by: Doonoo Boonoo on 05/04/2008 17:17:27
Originally by: Barbelo Valentinian
Now given (what should be obvious) that the forums aren't a particularly important influence on the devs, and given that this game's design charter was for a player-run, open PvP roleplaying game that allows adult, moral decision making, why are they gradually forcing the game to be "safer" in certain ways? Is it a sign of greed or a sign of growing desperation?
I leave this thought as an exercise for your brain cell.
Lolwhut?I just said subscriptions where rising and you counter with this BS?Are you claiming that the reason we have over 200K accounts is because Eve has got a bit safer?
Don't insult my intelligence.
People can still suicide gank your hulk,wardec your corp,gank you in losec,hire mercs to suicide gank you etc.The fact that a player-run,open PvP roleplaying game that allows adult,moral decision making is a tiny bit safer than it was 2 years ago has no bearing on the number of people subbing for this game.
The only desperation I see is in your posts as you become more and more irrational.
Sorry for not buying your brand of paranoia and hysteria.
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Equilibrium Inc.
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.04.05 17:27:00 -
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I just wish the goon alts would stop arguing with each other whether goonswarm is a plague or a godsend boon for mankind....
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Ethen Bejorn
Pestilent Industries Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.04.05 17:48:00 -
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They are decietful disrespectful jerks.
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Marcus TheMartin
Tuxedo.
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Posted - 2008.04.05 17:56:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Ethen Bejorn
They are decietful disrespectful jerks.
go back to your veld
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Kazuko Cho
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.05 18:01:00 -
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I attack any Goon I find in Space..
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Barbelo Valentinian
Liberty Corporation
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Posted - 2008.04.05 20:53:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo
Lolwhut?I just said subscriptions where rising
And I said there's more to it than that. CCP will also be looking at trends and trying to predict and anticipate. (For instance, did you know that the ratio of female to male players rose sharply towards the end of 2007? How long before that do you think ambulation was in planning?)
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People can still suicide gank your hulk,wardec your corp,gank you in losec,hire mercs to suicide gank you etc.
Yes, and those are not griefing - but those perfectly legitimate mechanisms can all too easily be used by griefers. And instead of being part of the drama of the "rich and immersive universe" EVE say they are striving to create, griefing stands outside that rich and immersive universe as an event in the real world impinging on the player, thereby nullifying EVE's intent to create a "rich and immersive universe". And when you're shooting for the big league, as CCP obviously is, what was once a somewhat cool feature can become a handicap.
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The fact that a player-run,open PvP roleplaying game that allows adult,moral decision making is a tiny bit safer than it was 2 years ago has no bearing on the number of people subbing for this game.
Oh sure, invincible CONCORD makes things only a "tiny" bit safer, and that has had no effect on the number of subscribers, no sirree jimmybobkins.  Anyway, I didn't say EVE is safer full stop, it's safer in certain limited respects. Clearly, in view of the fact that the original intent was for a player-run universe, invincible CONCORD is a kludge (it's the imposition of a rigid structure on the game by the devs). A kludge trying to solve what problem? A kludge balancing the bad decision to make griefing too easy. Why is it necessary? Because CCP is caught in a bind: it can't return to the fully open world it began as, because the griefers who have found a home in EVE would overrun high sec and seriously dent subs from new subscribers, the vast majority of whom want to roleplay spaceship pilots the way it suggests you can in the FAQ, and not be reminded they are "just playing a game"; on the other hand, it can't make too-drastic changes that prevent griefing without losing subs from the riff-raff it has already invited into the game. Well, it might be able to - CCP are very clever folks so they might yet find a way of preserving the morally weighty gameplay while preventing griefers from misusing it, and time it right so the rise in subs from normal players takes up the slack of griefers leaving (although of course some will adapt). But until then, CONCORD and other recent "safety features" are a stopgap measure.
In effect, CCP have tried to pen the griefers into low sec while they try and figure out what to do with them. This is a holding decision that satisfies no-one, and can't last, because it's the direct cause of Empire hugging, lack of progression through to 0.0, etc. But it's the best they could do for now.
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Sorry for not buying your brand of paranoia and hysteria.
Sorry you consider realism paranoid and hysterical. 
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Posted - 2008.04.05 21:18:00 -
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Hate's a strong word, can't say I hate anybody.
Their style of gaming is one that I can't relate to, personally.
It's like movies, some ppl like Comedy, some ppl like Drama, some ppl like Horror.
I don't like Slapstick Comedy that much, I like serious movies with really good drama, some suspense, a little horror, a little bit of darkness.
For example most Goons would prolly enjoy Jackass The Movie, I gave Jackass 2 stars, yeah it was funny in some parts but it was just one gag after another.
On the other hand some SERIOUS movies like Hotel Rwanda, Terminator 2, etc I gave those movies 5 stars, because I like dark serious movies and thats pretty much how I like my gaming too.
My favorite games were Deus Ex, Diablo 1 and Doom 3, because they were dark and serious.
I was attracted to Eve because it's also dark and serious.
But when you have 6000 people who basically act like Larry Moe and Curly, that kinda takes away the darkness of the game.
Thats just the way they play their game and that's fine, but personally I don't find them entertaining.
I find BoB entertaining because of Molle posts like "Tick Tock" it just sounds more dark and serious which is what I enjoy.
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Marcus TheMartin
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Posted - 2008.04.05 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher7
Hate's a strong word, can't say I hate anybody.
Their style of gaming is one that I can't relate to, personally.
It's like movies, some ppl like Comedy, some ppl like Drama, some ppl like Horror.
I don't like Slapstick Comedy that much, I like serious movies with really good drama, some suspense, a little horror, a little bit of darkness.
For example most Goons would prolly enjoy Jackass The Movie, I gave Jackass 2 stars, yeah it was funny in some parts but it was just one gag after another.
On the other hand some SERIOUS movies like Hotel Rwanda, Terminator 2, etc I gave those movies 5 stars, because I like dark serious movies and thats pretty much how I like my gaming too.
My favorite games were Deus Ex, Diablo 1 and Doom 3, because they were dark and serious.
I was attracted to Eve because it's also dark and serious.
But when you have 6000 people who basically act like Larry Moe and Curly, that kinda takes away the darkness of the game.
Thats just the way they play their game and that's fine, but personally I don't find them entertaining.
I find BoB entertaining because of Molle posts like "Tick Tock" it just sounds more dark and serious which is what I enjoy.
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Cipher7
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.04.05 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
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Must certainly be serious to somebody.
How long was the State of the Goonion, about 2 hours?
Who are you kidding.
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Corstaad
Vardr ok Lidskjalv
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Posted - 2008.04.05 22:26:00 -
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I just don't like them because they claim to care about nothing yet try so hard for us to "understand" them. To me there another internet dork squad thats found there EvE niche.
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Uzuness
stone grave haulage
PROBABLE CAUSE
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Posted - 2008.04.05 22:29:00 -
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You haven't met me, but I don't hate goons. As a matter of fact, I've never see one in EVE (unless he or she was on an alt). If I ever do see a goon member, I'll probably laugh and go "Oooo, a goon.. stay back children, they bite miners".
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.04.05 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Corstaad
I just don't like them because they claim to care about nothing yet try so hard for us to "understand" them. To me there another internet dork squad thats found there EvE niche.
You just don't "get" goons
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Ethen Bejorn
Pestilent Industries Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.04.05 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher7
Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
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Must certainly be serious to somebody.
How long was the State of the Goonion, about 2 hours?
Who are you kidding.
How do you find out how many posts someone has?
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Victor Tyrell
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.05 22:36:00 -
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Tbh I'm starting to dislike CCP more, simply because they allow a handful of anti-social misfits dictate the game for everyone else.
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Roy Batty68
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Posted - 2008.04.05 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: Ethen Bejorn
How do you find out how many posts someone has?
You got some catching up to do!
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Posted - 2008.04.05 23:24:00 -
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Originally by: Victor Tyrell
Tbh I'm starting to dislike CCP more, simply because they allow a handful of anti-social misfits dictate the game for everyone else.
Yessss, let the hate guide you...
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Posted - 2008.04.05 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: Victor Tyrell
Tbh I'm starting to dislike CCP more, simply because they allow a handful of anti-social misfits dictate the game for everyone else.
Nothing the God of bio-mechanics wouldn't put you in heaven for.
(easy mil for the first to name that quote... take advantage of me, I'm drinking)
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Posted - 2008.04.06 00:31:00 -
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Edited by: Doonoo Boonoo on 06/04/2008 00:35:06
Edited by: Doonoo Boonoo on 06/04/2008 00:34:14
Why are you asking me how long I think ambulation has been in planning?Title of thread is 'Why does everybody hate GS'
and you and I are discusing 'griefers'.Please attempt to stick to the point.So...
Originally by: Barbelo Valentinian
Yes, and those are not griefing - but those perfectly legitimate mechanisms can all too easily be used by griefers. And instead of being part of the drama of the "rich and immersive universe" EVE say they are striving to create, griefing stands outside that rich and immersive universe as an event in the real world impinging on the player, thereby nullifying EVE's intent to create a "rich and immersive universe". And when you're shooting for the big league, as CCP obviously is, what was once a somewhat cool feature can become a handicap.
How can CCP distinguish between players who are using game mechanics to play the game and people who use game mechanics because they are 'evil' in real life?You are worried that people 'might' be getting a kick out of it?
Paranoid much?
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The fact that a player-run,open PvP roleplaying game that allows adult,moral decision making is a tiny bit safer than it was 2 years ago has no bearing on the number of people subbing for this game.
Originally by: Barbelo Valentinian
Oh sure, invincible CONCORD makes things only a "tiny" bit safer, and that has had no effect on the number of subscribers, no sirree jimmybobkins. Anyway, I didn't say EVE is safer full stop, it's safer in certain limited respects. Clearly, in view of the fact that the original intent was for a player-run universe, invincible CONCORD is a kludge (it's the imposition of a rigid structure on the game by the devs). A kludge trying to solve what problem? A kludge balancing the bad decision to make griefing too easy. Why is it necessary? Because CCP is caught in a bind: it can't return to the fully open world it began as, because the griefers who have found a home in EVE would overrun high sec and seriously dent subs from new subscribers, the vast majority of whom want to roleplay spaceship pilots the way it suggests you can in the FAQ, and not be reminded they are "just playing a game"; on the other hand, it can't make too-drastic changes that prevent griefing without losing subs from the riff-raff it has already invited into the game. Well, it might be able to - CCP are very clever folks so they might yet find a way of preserving the morally weighty gameplay while preventing griefers from misusing it, and time it right so the rise in subs from normal players takes up the slack of griefers leaving (although of course some will adapt). But until then, CONCORD and other recent "safety features" are a stopgap measure.
That's just you being hysterical and making ridiculous assumptions without proof or fact tbh.
Seeing as how you think that this is a serious problem but have yet to post any proof or exact figures with relation to how widespread this 'griefing'is would you care to pluck some figures that you made up in your head out of the air and give me some indication as how bad you think this is?Say if there is 35k players on the server how many are 'evil' in real life.Or how many people in total are using game mechanics as a means to cause genuine harm?what would be your estimate of ships destroyed by 'evil' people in rl?
What are logic are you using to come to these sort of conclusions?
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Posted - 2008.04.06 00:47:00 -
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Originally by: Roy Batty68
Nothing the God of bio-mechanics wouldn't put you in heaven for.
(easy mil for the first to name that quote... take advantage of me, I'm drinking)
Blade Runner. Same place your name comes from.
My 1 mil please?
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Posted - 2008.04.06 00:50:00 -
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Cannt say I hate the Goon's I'am just indifferent to them. A few seem to find fun jumping in the help channel now and then and spaming it which I find childish, but thats what the block function is for. I might have as many Goons block as I do ISK sellers now.
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Roy Batty68
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Posted - 2008.04.06 00:51:00 -
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Originally by: Kyra Felann
Originally by: Roy Batty68
Nothing the God of bio-mechanics wouldn't put you in heaven for.
(easy mil for the first to name that quote... take advantage of me, I'm drinking)
Blade Runner. Same place your name comes from.
My 1 mil please?
Sent.
Him being a Tyrell and me Roy Batty... seemed appropriate.
Not Eldon, but meh.
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Posted - 2008.04.06 03:20:00 -
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Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo
Why are you asking me how long I think ambulation has been in planning?Title of thread is 'Why does everybody hate GS'
and you and I are discusing 'griefers'.Please attempt to stick to the point.So...
The point of that was to get you to understand how the number of subscriptions now isn't the only thing to think about when you think about the effect of griefing on the future of EVE.
Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo
How can CCP distinguish between players who are using game mechanics to play the game and people who use game mechanics because they are 'evil' in real life?What do you suggest.A psychiatric questionaire before you can open an account?
Oh yes, it's difficult alright, but CCP are smart people - and for the reasons I've outlined, they will HAVE to minimise griefing if they want EVE to keep growing. One possible angle they could take advantage of is that griefers (who could care less about immersion) are likely to care less about their stuff than normal players (who care more about immersion). (It should be unnecessary to point out that by "normal" players I don't mean carebears - I mean people who take seriously the "rich and immersive universe" CCP "strive to create", according to their FAQ).
Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo
Seeing as how you think that this is a serious problem but have yet to post any proof or exact figures with relation to how widespread this 'griefing'is would you care to pluck some figures that you made up in your head out of the air and give me some indication as how bad you think this is?Say if there is 35k players on the server how many are 'evil' in real life.Or how many people in total are using game mechanics as a means to cause genuine harm?what would be your estimate of ships destroyed by 'evil' people in rl?
What are logic are you using to come to these sort of conclusions?
Since I haven't said griefers are evil in real life, I don't know where you plucked the idea that I think they are from - your arse perhaps?
As to "serious" - well it's not all that serious; it's not even all that serious to me personally (just a minor irritation). It's only somewhat serious for CCP if they want the game to continue to grow and not stagnate as it did for some time during 2006-2007.
As to what percentage of players are griefers, since I believe CCP have penned them in low sec by means of invincible CONCORD, then I'd look at the recently-released figures for gate traffic - what was the traffic figure in low sec, something like 19%, something like that? Obviously some of those people will people passing through, some will be legit pirates and such, and also many griefers will have carebear alts to do their dirty work, and of course sometimes will venture into high sec, but 19% gives some kind of upper boundary if my logic is valid. A large minority then - large enough for CCP to not want to **** them off, but also large enough to cause even more problems ****ing off new players that CCP wants if the game is to grow - if nothing is done about it.
Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo
Like I said,until you show me proof that it is real and happening on the scale you think it is I will consider it paranoia and hysteria
I could care less about convincing anybody, I'm just discussing for the fun of it.
Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo
multiple editz and additionswhile drunk
Hehe
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Posted - 2008.04.06 04:09:00 -
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This:
"The way that you win in EVE is you basically make life so miserable for someone else that they actually quit the game and don't come back."
Obviously they are not here to play the game, they are here to ruin the game.
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Goon-on-Goon action. I've witnessed it in person. True story.
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Posted - 2008.04.06 05:14:00 -
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You gotta wonder about a game where those who get the most recognition, attention, and support by the game developers are complete ***holes bent on breaking the game and making people quit.
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Posted - 2008.04.06 06:22:00 -
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Edited by: Marcus TheMartin on 06/04/2008 06:22:44
Originally by: Cipher7
Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
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Must certainly be serious to somebody.
How long was the State of the Goonion, about 2 hours?
Who are you kidding.
are you implying that the internet is not serious business?
Originally by: Nyabinghi
You gotta wonder about a game where those who get the most recognition, attention, and support by the game developers are complete ***holes bent on breaking the game and making people quit.
Don't be so dim less people playing means less jita lag
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Adv Asteroid Mining and RD Sobaseki Corporation
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Posted - 2008.04.06 06:39:00 -
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because they are fighting with BoB
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Posted - 2008.04.06 07:18:00 -
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Originally by: Nyabinghi
You gotta wonder about a game where those who get the most recognition, attention, and support by the game developers are complete ***holes bent on breaking the game and making people quit.
jesus christ what does this even mean
never mind, give me a backrub
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Posted - 2008.04.06 07:24:00 -
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Edited by: Erik Amirault on 06/04/2008 07:24:45
Goons don't care if they are liked or not. I don't want to be anyone's e-friend because that is pathetic. You heard right, it's pathetic. Make some real friends and stop being such a loser if you think that's how games should be played.
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Quelque Chose
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.04.06 07:36:00 -
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Originally by: Erik Amirault
Edited by: Erik Amirault on 06/04/2008 07:24:45
Goons don't care if they are liked or not. I don't want to be anyone's e-friend because that is pathetic. You heard right, it's pathetic. Make some real friends and stop being such a loser if you think that's how games should be played.
lol emorage
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Republic War Machine Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.06 07:41:00 -
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I hate them for their rugged good looks, dimpled cheeks, and Hollywood charm.
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Posted - 2008.04.06 07:58:00 -
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Originally by: Erik Amirault
Edited by: Erik Amirault on 06/04/2008 07:24:45
Goons don't care if they are liked or not. I don't want to be anyone's e-friend because that is pathetic. You heard right, it's pathetic. Make some real friends and stop being such a loser if you think that's how games should be played.
I think I totally just joined the right squad
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Posted - 2008.04.06 08:59:00 -
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Originally by: Erik Amirault
Edited by: Erik Amirault on 06/04/2008 07:24:45
Goons don't care if they are liked or not. I don't want to be anyone's e-friend because that is pathetic. You heard right, it's pathetic. Make some real friends and stop being such a loser if you think that's how games should be played.
*Barbelo falls off her Aeron laughing*
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Posted - 2008.04.06 09:12:00 -
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I like Goons because they're good allies. Always willing to give you a hand if you need it.
As for the "they want to destroy Eve" propaganda, even IF an actual goon said it, it's pretty obviously taken way out of context.
Seriously, only an utter moron would think 5000+ players want to destroy the game they have fun with. Besides, some of the corps of Goonsswarm aren't related to the SA forums.
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Posted - 2008.04.06 11:40:00 -
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Well the goons will conquered and then another alliance will come along and stomp them into the ground, But seeming goon controls the market now and there so Bloody well supplied, I think it going to take a lot to nock them off.
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Posted - 2008.04.06 11:52:00 -
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to the tcf guy.. the only reason u think they r good allies is cos they have not ****** u over yet!... many are the stories of alliances and corps whove made deals with goonz only to be stabbed in the back at the first opportunity.. The southern coalition will eventually fall in upon itself due to greed and egos.
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Doonoo Boonoo
Hedion University
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Posted - 2008.04.06 12:32:00 -
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Thanks for not being able to provide any shred of proof to back up your statements and coming up with more flights of fantasy,supposition,paranoia and hysteria.
Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo
How can CCP distinguish between players who are using game mechanics to play the game and people who use game mechanics because they are 'evil' in real life?What do you suggest.A psychiatric questionaire before you can open an account?
Originally by: Barbelo Valentinian
Oh yes, it's difficult alright, but CCP are smart people - and for the reasons I've outlined, they will HAVE to minimise griefing if they want EVE to keep growing. One possible angle they could take advantage of is that griefers (who could care less about immersion) are likely to care less about their stuff than normal players.
The reasons you have outlined are based on your own,ill informed,biased opinions not fact.Btw every MMO has to do it's best to keep griefing to a minimum darling.It's not just Eve.The only problem is that many peoples definition of griefing(including yours)can't be applied to Eve.
Lolwhut?'Griefers care less about their stuff'.How does this theory of yours help CCP to minmise griefing or determine who's a griefer?
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Doonoo Boonoo
Hedion University
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Posted - 2008.04.06 12:34:00 -
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continued...
Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo
Seeing as how you think that this is a serious problem but have yet to post any proof or exact figures with relation to how widespread this 'griefing'is would you care to pluck some figures that you made up in your head out of the air and give me some indication as how bad you think this is?Say if there is 35k players on the server how many are 'evil' in real life.Or how many people in total are using game mechanics as a means to cause genuine harm?what would be your estimate of ships destroyed by 'evil' people in rl?What are logic are you using to come to these sort of conclusions?
Originally by: Barbelo Valentinian
Since I haven't said griefers are evil in real life, I don't know where you plucked the idea that I think they are from - your arse perhaps??
Oh my bad.Allow me to rephrase it,
Seeing as how you think that this is a serious problem but have yet to post any proof or exact figures with relation to how widespread this 'griefing'is would you care to pluck some figures that you made up in your head out of the air and give me some indication as how bad you think this is?Say if there is 35k players on the server how many are griefing.Or how many people in total are using game mechanics as a means to cause genuine harm?what would be your estimate of ships destroyed by people who are griefing?What are logic are you using to come to these sort of conclusions?
Originally by: Barbelo Valentinian
As to "serious" - well it's not all that serious; it's not even all that serious to me personally (just a minor irritation). It's only somewhat serious for CCP if they want the game to continue to grow and not stagnate
Now you have gone from 'OMGTEHSKYISFALLING' to 'it's not that serious'.
Originally by: Barbelo Valentinian
I could care less about convincing anybody
Perhaps if you cared you wouldn't have failed.
I'm done with you and now rest my case.
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Posted - 2008.04.06 12:40:00 -
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They're a means to an end for destroying BoB, once done the hammer will fall on them and frankly I think they'll love it.
No hate, just kill them all and let the GMs sort them out.
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Posted - 2008.04.06 12:48:00 -
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I hate Goonswarm because their high SP players are decidedly average at PvP and rely on spamming pure newbies to win fights. They abuse ingame and out of game mechanics constantly (see portrait pack) and have had players banned for bookmark bombing. They have only ever won because they hack other alliances teamspeak servers. They talk big without being able to back it up and I'll be glad when they are finally removed from 0.0 space.
I think it is terrible that CCP actively endorses allowing them to harass, nay should I say grief, peaceful miners in high security space. Especially since they have openly admitted to trying to tarnish CCPs good name. I suspect this may due to the numbers of DEVS playing inside the Goonies. A fact they are often shy to admit but was mentioned by CCP themselves during a New york Times interview.
C/D [GOONS] has added nothing to this community?
tl;dr **** goons.
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Barbelo Valentinian
Liberty Corporation
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Posted - 2008.04.06 18:19:00 -
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Edited by: Barbelo Valentinian on 06/04/2008 18:19:31
Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo
Goodbye Ankh
Haha, if you think I'm Ankh then you really haven't been reading my posts. She's either barking mad or a ******* brilliant troll, and my position bears hardly any relation to hers at all.
I can understand you not bothering to read my posts carefully though, I can imagine they look somewhat wall-of-textish, especially if you're drunk
But seriously, try actually reading the posts you respond to some time, you might find it's actually more intellectually rewarding than thwacking strawmen of your own devising.
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Marcus TheMartin
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Posted - 2008.04.06 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Originally by: Erik Amirault
Edited by: Erik Amirault on 06/04/2008 07:24:45
Goons don't care if they are liked or not. I don't want to be anyone's e-friend because that is pathetic. You heard right, it's pathetic. Make some real friends and stop being such a loser if you think that's how games should be played.
I think I totally just joined the right squad
we get it you are in goonswarm shut up already
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Cissnei
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.07 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Daylen Drazzi
Edited by: Daylen Drazzi on 05/04/2008 14:30:58
Edited by: Daylen Drazzi on 05/04/2008 14:30:14
Originally by: Tommy Meow
Goonswarm? You mean those SA guys who openly stated that they want to destroy EVE Online?
Naww man, why would we hate them? I mean, racist, sexist, irreverent, scamming, thieving, foul-mouthed bunch of people who still haven't outgrown their pre-pubescent years?
Naww, we couldn't hate them, could we?
Christ, are people still bringing up that crap about us wanting to destroy the game? If that had even a hint of truth to it don't you think our membership would have all but disappeared in the light of CCP's investigations? Sorry pal, but you've fallen for some PR hack's line of bull****. We're still here, we're still playing, and we're still having fun. Next meme.
And let's see - thieving and scamming are considered legitimate tactics in the game and are practiced far more competently by other alliances and folks back in empire - don't go lumping that mess completely on us. We at least let you know that if you're stupid enough to not follow recruitment procedures and try to bypass them by floating around some isk that you'll be losing some money. We're very honest in that regard. Actually, you can trust us that we'll do it.
Hmm, sexist, racist, irreverent and foul-mouthed - you got us on that one. But then, so are you. So is pretty much everyone at one time. You keep throwing that **** in our face, so we run with it because of how much it ****es you off. You're nothing special, and you sure as hell aren't some patron saint of tolerance for multi-cultural diversity, so get down off the high horse.
So some of you hate Goonfleet - works for us. Go ahead and wardec us over it. Come to 0.0 and give the folks who didn't move to Delve something to shoot at. Just head south - we won't be that hard to find.
the following is a direct quote from the linked wired article made by the so-called man in charge of the goons in EVE
"The ability to inflict that huge amount of actual, real-life damage on someone is amazingly satisfying" says Houston. "The way that you win in EVE is you basically make life so miserable for someone else that they actually quit the game and don't come back."
forcing players to outright quit the game is in some way, to you, NOT destroying EVE I guess. i also guess cats crap rainbow-colored eggs in your world too
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Posted - 2008.04.07 11:31:00 -
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Irrational fear of BEES?
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Posted - 2008.04.07 11:51:00 -
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Noboidy hates tehm. Gonns are a necessiety. It is like good vs ebil. If there are no good, there are no ebil. I persanoly would liek to join Goons ...
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Originally by: Papa Ina
I hate Goonswarm because their high SP players are decidedly average at PvP and rely on spamming pure newbies to win fights. They abuse ingame and out of game mechanics constantly (see portrait pack) and have had players banned for bookmark bombing. They have only ever won because they hack other alliances teamspeak servers. They talk big without being able to back it up and I'll be glad when they are finally removed from 0.0 space.
I think it is terrible that CCP actively endorses allowing them to harass, nay should I say grief, peaceful miners in high security space. Especially since they have openly admitted to trying to tarnish CCPs good name. I suspect this may due to the numbers of DEVS playing inside the Goonies. A fact they are often shy to admit but was mentioned by CCP themselves during a New york Times interview.
C/D [GOONS] has added nothing to this community?
tl;dr **** goons.
At least somebody knows what he's talking about
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