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Emil Antonowsky
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Posted - 2004.04.19 07:19:00 -
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let me add 1 other thing that makes this an exploit, after they get a bad enough sec rating there all going to have huge bountys , they will just get there buddy to kill them for the bounty, then recycle the alt and make a new 1 with kestral skill and cruise missle. Then pull the same exploit. Easy and lame way to make isks in the game and not really have to play the game. Thats why they should be banned.
edited -[crc]garvan NOBODY puts bounties on ppl anyone. So that is exploiting now too? They should just make you Master GM since you clearly know everything about Eve.
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SOL0
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Posted - 2004.04.19 07:27:00 -
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Edited by: SOL0 on 19/04/2004 07:28:23
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Just got killed in my interon 5 by Old Detroit Crime Syindicate , evidently they found a way to lauch cruise missles from there capsules and I lost around 100 million in freight and named cargo expanders. The help chanel is broken so no way to report these cheaters. May quit the game over this, if its that easy for people in capsules to take weeks of hard work then this game is not for me.
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"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." |
Emil Antonowsky
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Posted - 2004.04.19 07:43:00 -
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Personally, I think they (CCP) dropped the ball due to you carebears and your stupid insurance. Why should we (pirates) get insurance isk for getting killed by the cops? Am I the only one who see's this as stupid? In RL if I got into a highspeed chase with the cops, killed a few ppl and wrecked my car, what do you think my car insurance company would do? You want to blame someone, blame yourself for being cowards and needing such insane insurance. They need to overhaul the insurance in this game.
Then again, I dont expect the judge/jury ppl to bother to do any thinking. You reactionary ppl are the worst kind IMO. You have no principals and stand for nothing. You switch camps and jump from bandwagon to bandwagon. Simply put I have much contempt for those (all too many) shallow ppl out there. Just read this thread, it's a prime example. I wanted to see if anyone could think outside the lines, but nope. I am not suprised.
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Jazz Bo
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Posted - 2004.04.19 07:54:00 -
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For two, it takes awhile to make a decent pvp character as we have found out.
And you should know, having been in the game for 12 days or so.
/points at Joshua's post
Originally by: DB Preacher
Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
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Emil Antonowsky
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Posted - 2004.04.19 08:03:00 -
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Edited by: Emil Antonowsky on 19/04/2004 08:06:32
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For two, it takes awhile to make a decent pvp character as we have found out.
And you should know, having been in the game for 12 days or so.
/points at Joshua's post
Yeah, exactly!
First point of view, my character is nearly "done". I only recently came back to Eve, left in May.
Second Point of view, 12 days is a long time to pay to do absolutly nothing.
Third point, you have no point.
Oh yes, btw corp theft is "legal". I could have joined so many idiot corps and griefed them had I choose to. Why, because idiots spam a local channel looking for recruits. Rather foolish isnt it? But, then said idiot would get robbed and refuse to take any blame. That is a typical Eve corp and player.
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.04.19 08:11:00 -
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who on earth cargo 100 milion worth of stuf in indy anyway? 
Layzy Carebers? 
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Miso
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Posted - 2004.04.19 08:16:00 -
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CCP: Please get rid of all alts now. They are ghey and cause so many problems in this game its just stupid.
How about next patch? Just get people to nominate their main when they log in and then erase everything else. Screw the consequences, it'll be far better for the game in the longterm and was a stupid dumb decisions to have them in the game to start with.
I await the inevitable crying and whining from the Eve community with glee 
Miso x
PS: Get rid of alts now.
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D1ck Jones
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Posted - 2004.04.19 08:17:00 -
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Miso, I totaly agree. It would suck for some persons out there. But, all in all, alts are a stupid thing to have.
I had a guaranteed military sale with ED209! Renovation program! Spare parts for 25 years! Who cares if it worked or not! |
FlareZFX
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Posted - 2004.04.19 09:00:00 -
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No offense to anyone who's lost their indy this way, but I bet you learned a lesson. These people are killing you with cruise missiles, and getting killed by Concord for doing that. Who picks up the loot might be their friends, but who is stopping you from going there, following them, and picking the loot yourself? That would **** them off for sure.
If you put in weeks of hard work into something, I suggest you don't carry the results around in an unprotected indy, in a system with 100+ people in it. Think a little.
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NAFnist
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Posted - 2004.04.19 09:19:00 -
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As Jim Carry would have said;
'Whimpy Baby Kiddy Whiners'
Life is not, and should not be, SAFE in EVE 
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Manfred Doomhammer
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Posted - 2004.04.19 09:25:00 -
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*with crying voice and tears in the eyes looking into misos direction*
yeah, remove the alts... NOW
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Torgeir Bjorndal
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Posted - 2004.04.19 09:31:00 -
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My pence worth from a noob!
As usual there are two sides to a story:
First of all: if you are carrying 100Mio in an industrial ask one of your corp member to run convoy in a bs as you are presenting a lovely and tempting target.
Secondly: Yulai is a 1.0 secure space that should mean something i.e. that you can travel there without coming under unprovoked attack.
Attacking somebody and then having a friend pick up the cargo in 1.0 space is an exploit simple and pure. If you want to become a pirate go to the less secure space and enjoy the game. If you can pirate in 1.0 space where can your safety be assured.
What is going to be next, as noob's can afford to go in escort are they going to be the next target? That is going to help the game getting new players (hint, note of sarcasm).
Anyway that is my view, please feel free to (dis)agree.
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Jasmine Sparrow
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Posted - 2004.04.19 09:33:00 -
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no alts? Better solution; institute a fine against those who choose to initiate hostilities in empire space outside of sanctioned corp wars. Make the fine far beyond anything they could hope to gain from ganking indy ships. If the character doesn't have the money for the fine then have the debt transferred to whichever account does have the isk. If none have the isk then have all three characters be charge a negative balance in their wallet of the total outstanding isk due.
Griefers will be griefers no matter what you do. They will always try to find a way to disrupt other people's enjoyment of the game. The point is to make it so you can ignore them rather than creating blanket rules and accounts that hurt the honest/legit people who use alts. Rather than the preschoolers who just learned how to log onto the internet and use their mommy and daddy's charge card.
ah... Fujiko
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Estios
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Posted - 2004.04.19 09:49:00 -
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This is why normal frigates (ie not Elite) should not be able to use Cruise missles.
So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
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Xelios
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Posted - 2004.04.19 10:13:00 -
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This is why normal frigates (ie not Elite) should not be able to use Cruise missles.
Exactly.
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Paravion
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Posted - 2004.04.19 10:28:00 -
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So why not make your own alts and gank the old detroit carebear syndicate's indys in your own kestrel?
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Xelios
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Posted - 2004.04.19 10:31:00 -
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So why not make your own alts and gank the old detroit carebear syndicate's indys in your own kestrel?
Because that would be a complete and utter waste of time. Even if you manage to find and kill one of them, they'll have lost a Kestrel, you'll have lost a Kestrel, and you'll have lost a week of training time.
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Jeff Man
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Posted - 2004.04.19 10:38:00 -
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CCP have stated that using alts and Kestrels to kill in 1.0 systems is exploiting and a bannable crime. (this was when another corp called Zombie something or other was doing it).
Just report them to CCP in an exploit petition and you will get your stuff back.
Hopefully the perpertrators will get banned, it doesnt matter if its an alt, if they have it on the same account as their main char that'll get banned too.
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Mned Graydroggen
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Posted - 2004.04.19 10:38:00 -
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Edited by: Mned Graydroggen on 19/04/2004 10:40:23
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Anyone want a good laugh? And I thought M0o had standards from my readings.
Here is a piece of a convo with a dewd named Phonix. From the so called Fade something or other.
The convo that you posted there didnt make you look brighter mate 
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no alts? Better solution; institute a fine against those who choose to initiate hostilities in empire space outside of sanctioned corp wars. Make the fine far beyond anything they could hope to gain from ganking indy ships. If the character doesn't have the money for the fine then have the debt transferred to whichever account does have the isk. If none have the isk then have all three characters be charge a negative balance in their wallet of the total outstanding isk due.
Griefers will be griefers no matter what you do. They will always try to find a way to disrupt other people's enjoyment of the game. The point is to make it so you can ignore them rather than creating blanket rules and accounts that hurt the honest/legit people who use alts. Rather than the preschoolers who just learned how to log onto the internet and use their mommy and daddy's charge card.
ah... Fujiko
Hear Hear
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Paravion
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Posted - 2004.04.19 10:41:00 -
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So why not make your own alts and gank the old detroit carebear syndicate's indys in your own kestrel?
Because that would be a complete and utter waste of time. Even if you manage to find and kill one of them, they'll have lost a Kestrel, you'll have lost a Kestrel, and you'll have lost a week of training time.
I said their indys not their kestrels, concord can take care of the kestrels.
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Junko Willsso
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Posted - 2004.04.19 10:44:00 -
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Edited by: D1ck Jones on 19/04/2004 06:34:02
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That was because ppl were avoiding Concode. We dont. We play in the rules. If I had a concorde sanctioned war I can kill in 1.0 without concorde interfering. That is killing in 1.0. Narrow definitions my friend. We take calculated risks. Its called privateering. The highways should be 0.0 anyway. You carebears are trying to make this into a Sims in Space expansion.
No, the last people who did this were not avoiding concord. They were using kestrels with cruise missles.
This is regarded as an exploit as they knew full well that they would be destroyed and their friends could pick up the loot.
You can say it is within game mechanics as much as you like but CCP regard it as ban-able.
To call people Carebears when you are using a no-risk way of attacking Indy ships in safe space is absolutely hilarious.
Try doing the same thing in 0.0
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Hillbilly bobby
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Posted - 2004.04.19 10:48:00 -
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This is why normal frigates (ie not Elite) should not be able to use Cruise missles.
Hmmm this is probably the best idea I've heard yet to both stop the "alt lamer" tactic and the overpowerful basic frigs with cruise. Make Elite frigs able to fire cruise but stop tech 1 frigs from using them. Nice idea m8
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.04.19 10:56:00 -
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Miso and Xelios have the right idea. Either one will do, but atm this kind of grief play, and that's what this is, is extremely annoying. IF you wanna kill a indy do it legally in a empire <0.5 belt somewhere or in 0.0, ( and don't give me that bull about how that that can't be done, killing a indy in a 0.4 belt under the noses of BS protection can be done, and that's actually a challenge and entertaining for all parties involved )
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Tricky Trixy
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Posted - 2004.04.19 11:07:00 -
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Well would just like to point out that it is pointless having an escort in 1.0 space.
The reason is, when the indy is being attacked what in hell can the bs/cruiser escorting do about it??
If the indy pilot says he is being targeted and the escort then locks and shoots the targetting ship then he gets ganked by concord
If he waits till the indy is fired on and then opens fire he gets ganked again cos the aggressive act wasn't against him.
The only possible way escorts could be usefull is as a deterrent so the escort locks the attacking ship and hopes this firghtens them enough not to open fire. Also the attackers will have a hard time seeing if the indy has an escort anyway cos the highways are so busy, so the itimidation factor of the escort is lessoned.
But i could be wrong, are there any ways for the escort to actually protect the indy, ie shoot and kill the attacker with out being ganked them selves??
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Barl Rathbone
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Posted - 2004.04.19 11:12:00 -
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Edited by: Barl Rathbone on 19/04/2004 11:14:20
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The reason is, when the indy is being attacked what in hell can the bs/cruiser escorting do about it??
If the indy pilot says he is being targeted and the escort then locks and shoots the targetting ship then he gets ganked by concord
If he waits till the indy is fired on and then opens fire he gets ganked again cos the aggressive act wasn't against him.
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But i could be wrong, are there any ways for the escort to actually protect the indy, ie shoot and kill the attacker with out being ganked them selves??
Not sure about this, but if you are in a gang and someone attacks your gangmate can you fire ?
Edit - Actually thinking about it that wont help as you can only attack the attacker when it would be the attacker's indy you would want to get.
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Xelios
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Posted - 2004.04.19 11:13:00 -
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Even if you can it doesn't matter, concord will finish the attacker off faster than you will, and if they can't stop the indy from going down due to cruise missiles a cruiser or bship escort can't either.
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ZelRox
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Posted - 2004.04.19 11:14:00 -
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Edited by: ZelRox on 19/04/2004 11:20:03
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First of all: if you are carrying 100Mio in an industrial ask one of your corp member to run convoy in a bs as you are presenting a lovely and tempting target.
Because having a escort in secure space doesn't mean squat. Escorts cant fire on the rats unless they want to loose their ships to concord and gate guns.
If fired from long range, cms will be picked off by gate guns, or at least mine were a while back, while shooting at a ore thief.
A cool solution would be to give indies a missile launcher slot. As lock time sucks, you would have to use eather fofs or defenders to protect your self.
Anyway in a week, these wannabies will be banned out of highway systems due to the sec status. I bet we wont be hearing from them in a looong time. If they come to 0.0, they are going to get their asses kicked. Simple as that.
Btw, flare i love that crow man , wanna give it to me
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FlareZFX
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Posted - 2004.04.19 11:19:00 -
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Btw, flare i love that crow man , wanna give it to me
Time for you to hit the regular markets :)
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Angelhunter
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Posted - 2004.04.19 11:21:00 -
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Well i am gonna stay in the middle of this srgument. I think what happened is a very cheap thing to do, and its been tried against me before, but hasn't worked. Calling people carebears because of how they play the game isn't right either, they pay their money every month for how they want to play. If they get enjoyment from sitting around mining all day, more power to them, don't bash them for it. For the people that use cowardice tactics like this, grow some balls and leave empire space for awhile, and try some real fighting. I have all the respect in the world for real pirates/privateers/border guards/patrols whatever you want to call them, they work damn hard for their kills in 0.0 non-empire space, because more and more changes seem to be made against open pirating. Changes need to be made, and hopefully they will benefit both sides of this argument.
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ZelRox
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Posted - 2004.04.19 11:21:00 -
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Will be in a while. Skills take time ;)
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