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Enforcer
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Posted - 2004.04.19 11:23:00 -
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Is it just me or have the Detroit boys stopped posting?
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Jazz Bo
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Posted - 2004.04.19 11:35:00 -
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Edited by: Jazz Bo on 19/04/2004 11:36:30
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CCP have stated that using alts and Kestrels to kill in 1.0 systems is exploiting and a bannable crime. (this was when another corp called Zombie something or other was doing it).
Just report them to CCP in an exploit petition and you will get your stuff back.
Hopefully the perpertrators will get banned, it doesnt matter if its an alt, if they have it on the same account as their main char that'll get banned too.
The main will get banned even if it's on a different account, as CCP bans the player, not just the account.
One solution (although not a perfect one) to this problem would be that Concord would attack not just the aggressor, but also any corp/gang member in the same grid.
Originally by: DB Preacher
Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
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Naal Morno
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Posted - 2004.04.19 11:36:00 -
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They already recycled their alts to create another 1 day old 'main'...
Anyhow, another apporach to problem is to finally upgrade indies and give them substantial shields, as proposed so many times...
Your Heavy Neutron Blaster II perfectly strikes Serpentis Chief Sentinel, wrecking for 660.4 damage.
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Titan AE
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Posted - 2004.04.19 11:39:00 -
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One of the reasons your not seeing the Devs working hard to stop this atm is becuase its delt with in Shiva. Anyone that picks up stolen loots in high security space is risking being podded by concord under the shiva changes.
However Tee Tee, as a new player you should learn that in EVE the lamer the tactic the more sucessful it tends to be. The people that employ lamer tactics feel REALLY good about it, they feel impowered. They are having a good time, and for now at least, the devs still have not learned that a non-fighting playstyle has as much merit as a fighting playstyle. The killers need to live with other killers and the workers need their own place as well. There should be a grey zone and that is .4 to .1 space. Killing the weakest, newest players with the lamest tactics in 1.0 space is a great failure in EVE one that is unfortunatly been a fact of the game in various forms since release.
The Devs continue to rehash the mistakes of other MMOG's of the past in their first attempt. They feed the sheep to to wolves and forget that the sheep pay most of the bills. Eventually the sheep get tired of paying for others fun.
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Jay Gatsby
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Posted - 2004.04.19 11:42:00 -
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Here's my suggested solution to the alt problem.
As for escorting, how about using a couple of shield transfer modules on your escorting cruiser / BS / whatever, so that if your ganged indy does get attacked, at least you have a chance to increase it's survivability until Concord have dusted the creep attacking you?
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Space Angel
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Posted - 2004.04.19 11:55:00 -
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just haul stuff in courier packages they can't see inside them with a cargo scanner and they think you are running a courier mission
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Lord Zip
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Posted - 2004.04.19 11:56:00 -
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That is a reasonable solution, especially if said indie is worth 100 mill. Nerfing the hell out of Kestrels is not the way to go. In my opinion, they are the last of the frigates that can successfully be used as a lvl3 muission ship for us |(non-elite equipped) mortals.
/emote inserts 2pence worth
Playing the shoot/die/get someone else to grab the loot is lame in any point of view. Ban them CCP, Ban them HARD ;)
Yes, I am an alt, but my anonymity gives me the freedom of speech that my gutless main cannot have ;) |
Mandros Aslay
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Posted - 2004.04.19 12:08:00 -
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Edited by: Mandros Aslay on 19/04/2004 12:09:50
AGREES WITH LORD ZIP..Eh sure that aint Zap ?
I may have the Interceptors but leave the Kestrel alone. I like to complete lev3 missions in the frigate called Kestrel.
Kestrel has 10km advantage on a Caldari Interceptor in range terms .....but just cos its been abused dont mean you have to hurt it.
God we could end up in Condors or Griffins for goodness sake.
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Lord Zip
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Posted - 2004.04.19 12:11:00 -
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Ew, the thought of flying a condor makes my skin crawl :P
/me starts up the C.A.K.E.D (Caldaris against Kestrel Equipment deactivation)
Yes, I am an alt, but my anonymity gives me the freedom of speech that my gutless main cannot have ;) |
Grimster
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Posted - 2004.04.19 12:32:00 -
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This is why normal frigates (ie not Elite) should not be able to use Cruise missles.
As posted in an earlier thread, I don't agree, but it is the few nerfing things for the masses and there's really no arguement in this situation.
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illuminati
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Posted - 2004.04.19 12:33:00 -
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CCP wants 1.0 systems to be safe. If they are not, mechanics are faulty. 0.0 systems usually contain real fighters who are not scared of combat.
Emil Antonowsky, you sound like an angry kid.
Empire 1.0 griefing has never been PvP so dont talk like you have skill, yeah you...
Why the hell frigates can mount torpedoes and cruise missiles I'll never know, maybe it's Jove storage technology or something...[Say no to frigate nukes]
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Twiagon
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Posted - 2004.04.19 12:44:00 -
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OK, how about weapons won't activate if assuming an aggresive act in 1.0...... unless it is a sanctioned war or NPC pirate (for agents)?
Just my sixpence worth.
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SwitchBl4d3
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Posted - 2004.04.19 12:55:00 -
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CCP: Please get rid of all alts now. They are ghey and cause so many problems in this game its just stupid.
How about next patch? Just get people to nominate their main when they log in and then erase everything else. Screw the consequences, it'll be far better for the game in the longterm and was a stupid dumb decisions to have them in the game to start with.
I await the inevitable crying and whining from the Eve community with glee
Miso x
PS: Get rid of alts now.
no. my alts got 2.8 mill sp , no way i mean thats like 3 months
"Teh lord of Nonni"
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Miso
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Posted - 2004.04.19 13:12:00 -
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no. my alts got 2.8 mill sp , no way i mean thats like 3 months
Too bad - buy another account and get it transferred.
Alts HAVE to go. Pure and simple.
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TeeTee
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Posted - 2004.04.19 13:34:00 -
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They killed me for my expanders 3 27% and 2 lesser named expanders , cargo had a few good items and some ore. I was in interon 5 and I am not a noob I was under the impression this was not allowed any more , or I would not have risked it.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.04.19 13:44:00 -
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Hate to say it but you DO need to be more careful moving stuff through the highways nowadays. Its part of the reason the BadgerII is making a comeback.
These guys you ran into are particular idiots for no other reason than their crass behaviour and open stupidity in this thread - however that doesn't in itself make the occurence *wrong* per se.
I do think that CCP will have words though as they did state clearly that any non-war attack in 1.0 would not be tolerated and viewed as an exploit.
Even so any and all precautions should be used when moving high value items anywhere. I can run 1000 shield or multiple tac-shields on the B2 to prevent these attacks having much chance at all of succceeding. An Iteron V can mount an MWD and be through the gate before they can even scan you.
With or without the idiots present ALL precautions and advantages should be used. I'm not suggesting you were "asking for it" but you were caught out.
I treat everywhere as 0.0 war zones nowadays and, tbh, I am resigned to the chance of loosing my cargo ever time I travel alone anywhere.
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ZelRox
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Posted - 2004.04.19 14:44:00 -
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Morkt is correct. Badger mk 2 is the indy you want to use if u want to live tru a multiple frig attack. Atm my badger has 1000 shields + a em shield hardener, i can take 2 kestrels worth of cruises before they even get to my armor. Kick ass indy.
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Rawne Karrde
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Posted - 2004.04.19 15:22:00 -
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Edited by: Rawne Karrde on 19/04/2004 15:30:08
man all this whining... Personnally I've had my indy blown up a few times myself travelling though i'm on the side of the guys shooting. Just because your in 1.0 space doesn't mean your safe. What it means is that concord will respond to aid you in killing your attackers. People think that as soon as they see 1.0 they don't need to pay attention any more. These guys have obviously shown us that we need to be smarter if we're transporting goods in an indy. I myself now use an MK II to move my stuff. I also put things like a shield booster on and even some jamming equipment. As someone also mentioned above putting an mwd on your ship is great though my badger can only use two ab's but hey I think last i checked the scanner takes like 9 seconds to check your cargo, so the faster you can go the less time they will have to shoot you. Also, if the stuff i'm moving is valuable but not in high quantity why use an indy at all? I know my corp moves high value mods, that we get from npc hunting in 0.0 to empire, in our bs's holds so that frigates can't do what has been described here, though there has been an incident where we lost a lone bs to 7 or 8 torp carrying cruisers.
All in all i think it should be an exploit to travel afk across the galaxy, and for CCP to provide a situation where all chances of combat have been removed would be stupid. Think about it in real life, you can be walking down the middle of the sidewalk and right in front of the police station a bunch of guys mugs you. Now can't call those guys exploiters for doing it as it can happen everywhere even 1.0 space. Though as some mentioned this insurance thing is crap. People shouldn't get insurance if their ship is destroyed by the police. They also shouldn't get it if they self destruct the ship themselves. As long as these guys are still losing their ships and gaining negative security status then i'm cool with it, though if they shredd their characters after getting their sec status too low and then start again with a new one, then CCP should be doing something, otherwise i see it as role playing, and to those old detroit guys, I'll be ready for you next time....
Edit: I forgot to mention too, that something I would like to see implemented is that when a member of your gang is targetted and is fired on, that the members of the gang can then return fire. This would be something that would quickly make escorting a valid business for people to take up like it was supposed to be. Then a bs moving with the convoy can actually take action.
Also i think they need to make it so that players can shoot those with negative status in the same ways as concord. If a player with -1 to -2 status is in 1.0 to .9 then the players should be able to take him out, that sort of thing.
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Myko
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Posted - 2004.04.19 15:23:00 -
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its perfectly easy to set up an iteron V to be as tough as a badger mk 2 - while the it has 50 less shield and 1 less mid slot, the it5 has more structure and armour
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Bob Morton
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Posted - 2004.04.19 15:28:00 -
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and to those old detroit guys, I'll be ready for you next time....
yeah, and bring some better mods and more rares next time, k?
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Vangelis
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Posted - 2004.04.19 15:39:00 -
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i dont think its an exploit either attackign ppl in 1.0 system however the security status hit u should take should be larger and posibly a poding from concord should be involved if u destroy or involved in the destruction of a ship to make it a little more insentive not to pk in empire.
I think the root of the problem however is cruise missles on frigates. Cruise missle capabilities on frigs is over powering if the same kestrals used heavys then your ship would prob still be intact and they would be the only ones sucking vacuum.
but thats a whole diffrent argument :)
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csebal
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Posted - 2004.04.19 15:55:00 -
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Lets look at the facts to show how wrong you are.
1. When the cruise missles started hitting me I engaged photon sheild hardener and sheild booster , I was not AFK.
2.Most of us know what you are really doing , you train a noob character to fly a kestral and train torps or cruise missles , you then park in a 1.0 gate like Yulai and kill all the indys that have anything of value. Your friends then scoop up the items from the victim in there indys. When u noob character has a bad enough sector standing you then recycle the character and make a new 1 to start the process all over. Has nothing to do with skill its a weakness in the game mechanics that let u take easy advantage of people that work hard so you wont have to work hard.
3. I am not against pirating but I am against exploiting , If I had been in in a low sector space I would have no problem if I had gotten killed.
4. You and your exploiting bunch can spin it any way you like the bottom line is you are not pirates as that takes hard work you are just parasites not worthy to play the game as it was intended.
Bottomline:
there was no cheating or exploiting.
CCP stated, that they consider this type of attack a weakness of the system, not because its possible, but beacause the industrials picking up the loot are not flagged as criminals as well.
Face it: if you are *dumb* enough - sorry for the expression - to haul anything worth more than a load of trit or pyer in an indy as slow as the iteron mk5, then you really deserve to die. I guess you had a load of mega or zyd, maybe a juicy blueprint.
Crying out CHEATER or EXPLOITER will not lower your own responsibility in this.
You tought you are safe in 1.0 - you learned you are not.
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This post is nothing more than my personal opinion. It does not represent the official standpoint of Fountain Alliance, or the HUN Corporation in any way.
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Bob Morton
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Posted - 2004.04.19 16:16:00 -
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Crying out CHEATER or EXPLOITER will not lower your own responsibility in this.
You tought you are safe in 1.0 - you learned you are not.
and we are the teachers. you should all be thanking us.
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Rawne Karrde
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Posted - 2004.04.19 16:57:00 -
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Allaina the point that is being made is that the act of killing the indy itself is realistic from there CCP has realized that the pickup portion is not and is changing it for shiva. Also though the existance of the blackmarket skill that decreases the chances of being caught with contraband shows that CCP still expects this sort of thing to go on its part of game play, just gonna take some skill to be able to do it with some effectiveness.
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Urmull
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Posted - 2004.04.19 17:00:00 -
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lol, this is just to damn funny  Well, i guess teetee did learned her lesson ....
edited -[crc]garvan
Da 1337 m1n3r... Note, i can shoot cruise missiles from my "capasule" o_0 |
Deloup Drakar
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Posted - 2004.04.19 17:05:00 -
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The problem you'll run into though trying to stop thier freind's from picking it up is, who would you determine as friend/foe. You would have to be able to give rights to someone to loot a can that is created by your ship exploding (corpse loot rights). Otherwise your friend picking up the stuff for you since you need a bigger ship to carry it all would be flagged as a criminal.
All in all, stop traveling AFK and/or unaware. You CAN be attacked anywhere, it ISN'T an exploit in high sec systems as long as their ship gets blown up by police/sentry guns. Stopping thier friend that's not even in the same corp as them...more things would have to be implemented to the game before you can call this an exploit.
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Luc Guerrier
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Posted - 2004.04.19 17:14:00 -
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Edited by: Luc Guerrier on 19/04/2004 17:16:11
Why CCP don't just simply deactivate the weapons on your ship when you're in 1.0 systems is beyond me. Trying to activate any agressive module on someone you're not at war with should be impossible in highsec space, period.
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Karol Kei
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Posted - 2004.04.19 17:26:00 -
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Don't delete any alts.
Remove the ability to make more alts instead, tomorrow.
I think it would work within a reasonable time frame. People could no longer be able to manufacture disposable alts, but every one would keep the ones they have. Chalk it up as a thing that has been learned from and move on.
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Emil Antonowsky
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Posted - 2004.04.19 17:37:00 -
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Yawn
You're still aguing? To the guys who wondered why I stopped posting, even pirates need to sleep. To Josha (what a lame name btw), I'll be looking forward to it. You all seem to think we are alts using Kestrals. Its fine by me, I'll let the weapons do the educating.
Update: We have our first alt corp declare war on us. I will be petioning as the name is simply offensive. And ppl called us childish.
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Kynoch
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Posted - 2004.04.19 17:45:00 -
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Declare war edited -[crc]garvan and end them already. Easy to clear a system of their presence then get your stuff through. They attack defensless targets so Im sure they dont have the huevos to hit an armed escort that can shoot with impunity. War is also fun. They talk too much smack to be very good.
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