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Emil Antonowsky	Posted - 2004.04.20 09:29:00 - [121] Originally by: Marquedios Edited by: Marquedios on 20/04/2004 09:27:25 This dissappoints me really. I was sitting in yulai one night cause a friend called me and asked if I could run to Yulai and try to get to his can cause he had been shot down with this exact same tactic. So I did but of course I was too late and had to sit there and watch as this indy proceeded to loot his left over empty secure cans. But to get on with the story... I saw these guys in action while sitting there bored and thought I'd loot their cans of the cheap missile launchers they dropped after exploding and attempt to blow up the cans before they managed to loot them. I succeeded in emptying the standard ml's they dropped but couldn't pop the cans in time cause my little vigil only has autocannons on and I'd left my cruises in the station a few jumps away. So I run out of ammo attempting to pop the cans with those weak autocannons and proceed to the station to get more ammo. What happens? I start getting convo after convo from these guys for some odd reason then I get the hate mail. Should have saved the mails but one of these guys was asking why I was stealing from them. /me thinks he'll be camping at Yulai when he's bored in his breacher or kestrel just to harrass these guys and give them a taste of their own medicine See the differnce between us and you is that your type is prey and we are the hunters. You honestly don't know why you were convo'd? ROFLMAO, I take a few months off and you guys that keep playing still havent figured much out. It is really dissapointing. Thank your pal for the 3X local hulls. No better way to steal money than free enterprise.
Clarence Bodicker	Posted - 2004.04.20 09:38:00 - [122] Why is a thread that accuses us of cheating still around? Not complaining, but it's bad for business. -------------------------------------------------- Criminal Connections Rank(3) SP: 76549/768000 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=
Synapse Archae	Posted - 2004.04.20 11:30:00 - [123] Sux to be you. In all honesty I would consider this borderline exploitation of concord mechanics that should be there. This status should, and would, rack up against your corp too, making you all KOS in empire shortly. Its all legal now, but don't complain if the rest of the community hates you. --------------------------------------------- [/IMG]http://millerfam.org/eve/synapse_logo.jpg[/IMG] Everyone deserves a chance to live. My job is to make sure they get it.
corporal hicks	Posted - 2004.04.20 11:31:00 - [124] I said this somewhere else but i will say it again easeist thing to do with alts is leave them there. But if you want to delete them you have to delete your whole account instead of just 1 character. This would solve all the alt problems. " Stay Frosty "
Angelhunter	Posted - 2004.04.20 11:35:00 - [125] Edited by: Angelhunter on 20/04/2004 11:36:47 Originally by: Clarence Bo**er Why is a thread that accuses us of cheating still around? Not complaining, but it's bad for business. No, you are bad for business, the business of this game. You are not real pirates or privateers, they really work and hunt for their kills, you are simple griefers who make life hard for everyone else. We all know people should never feel safe flying around even when they are in empire space, because you all know you hate to feel safe when you are driving your car through town. ---------------
Zasra	Posted - 2004.04.20 11:51:00 - [126] This game sure does attract a high amount of *******s, sorry you got ganked in yulai. You need to read the boards more often, as soon as I heard about this being the latest craze for the kiddies, I beefed up my cargo ships or started using cruisers to move stuff. Good luck.
Bad Harlequin	Posted - 2004.04.20 15:14:00 - [127] Originally by: dutchfreak On topic: Why doesnt anybody start up a alt corp to gank gankers? Or just declare war offcourse and kill the gankers... just a thought, i would have done it, if i where any better at PvP sigh because you can't declare war on Pator Tech, mostly. The real jerks and griefers hide in the n00bcorps. Detriot is an actual corp some self-appointed police groups could certainly declare on, however, and in that respect you're right. I'm tbh not as concerned with detroit's "real" alts than the schmoes who whack randoms in frigates and n00bships, because there's no way to preemptively strike them even when you know what they're up to, and no way to stop them when they show up for the third time to do the exact same thing in a row... You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike.
TeeTee	Posted - 2004.04.20 15:42:00 - [128] 1. Secure cans do not help at all unless they are anchored , if you are killed they can just scoop up the secure can and repackage it at a station expelling its items in there hanger. 2. I no longer manufacture any items for sales as this just helps the economy which in turns helps the parasites. Let prices climb to extreme amounts because of these parasites and enough people complain to CCP to stop this LAME game play. I was a major manufacturer in a region only will make items for friends. 3. Its going to be fun to see how long old detroit crime syndicate lasts already know of 3 corps declaring war on them , I imagine they will just recycle there alts make new ones and a new corp then run there mouths at everyone at how leet they are. 4. Its just moronic that a 2 week old player has any chance against a 7 month old player in there leet kestrals. 5 This is totally rediculous that indys are this is easy to kill has no reality to it. 6 Why should a badger be better than an interon 5 look at the time it takes to train interon 5 versus the Badger pure crap.
Bob Morton	Posted - 2004.04.20 17:05:00 - [129] Originally by: Angelhunter No, you are bad for business, the business of this game. You are not real pirates or privateers, they really work and hunt for their kills, you are simple griefers who make life hard for everyone else. have you any idea how much we're helping the economy of eve?
Baun	Posted - 2004.04.20 17:54:00 - [130] If this corporation is indeed a group of recyclable alts (which their lack of portraits and birth dates would lead you to belive) then there can be no doubt whatsoever that this is cheating. The reason is simple; There are no consequences for what they are doing. If a normaly player want to do this he could do it precisely 9 times (-.1 for attacking, -.5 for ship destruction), then he would be below -5 and be hunted by concord and be attackable by players. These guys can do this forever if they just keep washing their characters through. All they need are two character slots (1 for using and 1 for training, such that when one drops below -5 he can be deleted and recreated). The question is what can CCP actually do about this? Can they classify certain types of usage of alts as cheating (which it is) or does this create too much of a grey area? The Enemy's Gate is Down
Latinum Smith	Posted - 2004.04.20 17:57:00 - [131] On a similat theme I have had a character ask to buy stuff and when delivering, attacked me in a similar way to get my cargo. The mistake I made was not being totally vigulent. They didn't get my cargo but they did attack me. It sux big time. But with hidden locations and poor scan and find abilities, its not worth my time to declare war or track them down. And bounties are the biggest joke in the universe. Just chalk this 1 to experiance and get on with playing the game. Unless you are using money as a 'winning the game' kind of thing, what difference does it make if you have only 100 million left or 200 million. It would only be a crushing problem if you had been knocked back to a few 1000 isk and had no friends, equipment or ships. This this is so, I will be your friend and help you out, contact me if this is the case.
Smacktastic	Posted - 2004.04.20 18:00:00 - [132] All this stems from several things: 1) You can fire cruise missiles from frigates and cruisers. 2) CONCORD does not podkill. Those two things are there because of carebear whining. So sleep in it. ---------------------------------- Moderator @ www.killer-clowns.com
Triniton	Posted - 2004.04.20 18:08:00 - [133] O M G who would do such a thing! Im shocked. ZOMBIE PRUNES!
Bob Morton	Posted - 2004.04.20 18:25:00 - [134] Originally by: Baun If this corporation is indeed a group of recyclable alts (which their lack of portraits and birth dates would lead you to belive) then there can be no doubt whatsoever that this is cheating. The reason is simple; There are no consequences for what they are doing. If a normaly player want to do this he could do it precisely 9 times (-.1 for attacking, -.5 for ship destruction), then he would be below -5 and be hunted by concord and be attackable by players. These guys can do this forever if they just keep washing their characters through. All they need are two character slots (1 for using and 1 for training, such that when one drops below -5 he can be deleted and recreated). The question is what can CCP actually do about this? Can they classify certain types of usage of alts as cheating (which it is) or does this create too much of a grey area? it's going to be great when 1 month down the road the detroit crime syndicate still exists, still goes about their business, and still causes these threads.
Bad Harlequin	Posted - 2004.04.20 18:28:00 - [135] Originally by: Bob Morton Originally by: Angelhunter No, you are bad for business, the business of this game. You are not real pirates or privateers, they really work and hunt for their kills, you are simple griefers who make life hard for everyone else. have you any idea how much we're helping the economy of eve? see now i'm disappointed, THAT'S a tired old excuse. 1) if you aren't attacking established players, this is moot 2) she said the BUSINESS OF THIS GAME, which != the interior economic model simulation. If someone's attacking random n00bs for no reason and driving off someone who's just gotten his first real ship and has begun to learn his way around the GUI, this harms the game, period. If you pretend not to know the difference, i can't help you there. You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike.
Smacktastic	Posted - 2004.04.20 18:28:00 - [136] Quote: 2. I no longer manufacture any items for sales as this just helps the economy which in turns helps the parasites. Let prices climb to extreme amounts because of these parasites and enough people complain to CCP to stop this LAME game play. I was a major manufacturer in a region only will make items for friends. Yes, please. Then we PC pirates can take over the market. As we should have done ages ago. ---------------------------------- Moderator @ www.killer-clowns.com
Clarence Bodicker	Posted - 2004.04.20 18:45:00 - [137] Yeah, but we arn't blowing up "random n00bs". We kill choice targets, and nothing more. (Unless we're really bored, and someone starts running their mouth in local). And on that note, I contacted a GM to get an official word on what we are doing. While I wont post the response, he did say there was nothing explicitly wrong with our actions. Being the nice guy that I am, I gave him some good tips on how to make this a bit more balanced. -------------------------------------------------- Criminal Connections Rank(3) SP: 76549/768000 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=
Emil Antonowsky	Posted - 2004.04.20 18:47:00 - [138] TBH, we only attack choice targets. I dont think a noob wiould have a 100M isk. No better way to steal money than free enterprise.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.04.20 19:07:00 - [139] I very much doubt Old Detroit Crime Syndicate will be around in 1 months time. You'll have new alts and a new corp. to play with before then. CCP have a long history of taking care of the passively-minded customers and will make changes which remove this kind of ganking. Unfortunately, those changes will most likely impact upon those who play the hard but fair PvP game by the rules. That's why you are receiving such vehemence and vitriol in local/on the forums. I'd love to find out who your mains are - I have deep suspicions already. Syntax is hard to camouflage. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Dekar	Posted - 2004.04.20 19:24:00 - [140] Quote: Syntax is hard to camouflage. They don't stand out too much in a world where the majority of the posters spell and act like 15 years old. More seriously though, the suiciding "tactic" performed in Empire space is evidently exploiting. There's no question about it. It is most likely being fixed, and the fix will probably come out in Shiva (as mentioned before). Till that time, we simply have to be content that these exploiters will be banned or punished in some form or another. ------------------------------------------------- Lying Scumbag
Deloup Drakar	Posted - 2004.04.20 19:30:00 - [141] Originally by: Emil Antonowsky TBH, we only attack choice targets. I dont think a noob wiould have a 100M isk. Well some n00bs do depending if it's from an outside source....n00b to the game, just a rich n00b.
SlightlyMad	Posted - 2004.04.20 19:34:00 - [142] Yeah. Great Lets wait another two months for a solution to a problem that has been here since launch. * -"You know, we play the "good guys" right? We kill pirates, griefers, retards and general subversive elements in the EVE-Community. To the rest, we are friendly and always prepared to help out. Peo
D1ck Jones	Posted - 2004.04.20 20:01:00 - [143] Originally by: Dekar More seriously though, the suiciding "tactic" performed in Empire space is evidently exploiting. There's no question about it. Till that time, we simply have to be content that these exploiters will be banned or punished in some form or another. Thanks for your OPINION. Unfortunatly you are wrong. Just because you say it is exploiting doesnt make it so. Yes, you can act like you know whats going on, but in reality you don't know. I had a guaranteed military sale with ED209! Renovation program! Spare parts for 25 years! Who cares if it worked or not!
Maud Dib	Posted - 2004.04.20 21:11:00 - [144] As the aptly named D1ck Jones states it's not an exploit if their ships dies. Yes yes we all know it's tardly but thats not against the rules. I still say this is wiped out with Shiva.
D1ck Jones	Posted - 2004.04.20 21:38:00 - [145] Can I also add that are we the only ones who think Insurance is completly borked? They bowed to the carebears and now we use it to kill carebears. I had a guaranteed military sale with ED209! Renovation program! Spare parts for 25 years! Who cares if it worked or not!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.04.20 21:39:00 - [146] Originally by: D1ck Jones Can I also add that are we the only ones who think Insurance is completly borked? They bowed to the carebears and now we use it to kill carebears. How very noble of you LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Bob Morton	Posted - 2004.04.20 22:13:00 - [147] Originally by: Joshua Calvert I very much doubt Old Detroit Crime Syndicate will be around in 1 months time. You'll have new alts and a new corp. to play with before then. we'll see about that.
Hardin	Posted - 2004.04.20 22:46:00 - [148] Edited by: Hardin on 20/04/2004 22:46:57 PIE INC ANNOUNCEMENT It has come to our attention that the Old Detroit Crime Syndicate have been carrying out criminal acts a mere single jump from Amarr. Not only that but they have also destroyed several Amarr pilots undertaking legitimate trade in the process. PIE Inc. hereby announces that we have initiated a war vote against The Old Detroit Crime Syndicate which hopefully will go live within 24 hrs. We will then engage and destroy ships from the ODCS on sight. No doubt the Old Detroit Crime Syndicate will dissappear back under whatever stone they crawled from under and will probably set up a new Corporation to avoid the consequences of their actions. Despite this we felt that 'something' had to be done about these villainous criminals! Please report sightings to us from tomorrow evening. LONG LIVE THE EMPIRE
D1ck Jones	Posted - 2004.04.20 23:19:00 - [149] We look forward to a war with you slave mongers. We look forward to proving our worth to an experienced and notable corp. I had a guaranteed military sale with ED209! Renovation program! Spare parts for 25 years! Who cares if it worked or not!
Steve Minh	Posted - 2004.04.21 00:03:00 - [150] Originally by: Hardin Edited by: Hardin on 20/04/2004 22:46:57 PIE INC ANNOUNCEMENT It has come to our attention that the Old Detroit Crime Syndicate have been carrying out criminal acts a mere single jump from Amarr. Not only that but they have also destroyed several Amarr pilots undertaking legitimate trade in the process. PIE Inc. hereby announces that we have initiated a war vote against The Old Detroit Crime Syndicate which hopefully will go live within 24 hrs. We will then engage and destroy ships from the ODCS on sight. No doubt the Old Detroit Crime Syndicate will dissappear back under whatever stone they crawled from under and will probably set up a new Corporation to avoid the consequences of their actions. Despite this we felt that 'something' had to be done about these villainous criminals! Please report sightings to us from tomorrow evening. LONG LIVE THE EMPIRE Bring it on

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