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Randuin MaraL
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Posted - 2004.04.21 09:11:00 -
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 Originally by: Maud Dib
As the aptly named D1ck Jones states it's not an exploit if their ships dies.
Not an exploit, just bad manners of carebear pirates who hunt in 1.0 without any risk.
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Nirvy
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Posted - 2004.04.21 09:32:00 -
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Not an exploit as far as i know. Pretty lame, but n00b pirates have to start somewhere i guess
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Jazz Bo
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Posted - 2004.04.21 09:52:00 -
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Originally by: Bob Morton
Originally by: Malice Devilbunny
If you look at all the names and the corp name, it's all Robocop themed.
DING DING DING
WE HAVE A WINNER!
Am I the only one here who thinks that borrowing your corp and character names from a futuristic action movie is more than just a little lame, and highly unimaginative?
Some observations:
1. These guys are not new players, "invited into the game by a buddy", they're alts of some fairly well-known pirates. They're not doing this for profit, they're doing this to annoy the community and to "get back" at CCP by doing things that are border-line exploiting (maybe they're Zombie alts trying to "avenge" being banned because of the Yulai Incident?)
2. They're not 15 years old. Read their posts on the first 6 pages of this thread. No (or very little) smileys, "lol"s, typos, or grammatical mistakes.
Nevertheless, my guess is that once a few large/powerful/skilled corps who are around the highway systems a lot like PIE declare war on them, they'll get bored, and after a few days of playing cat and mouse, they'll disappear and possibly reform under new names. Rinse and repeat. Before that we may see a phase where the guys in the haulers that pick up the loot escape the wars by joining n00bie corps and avoiding destruction that way. They'll wait at the gates, and the Kestrels just warp in for quick raids from their safe spots.
Oh, and we'll see plenty of n00bie pirates copying these guy in the near future, unless CCP does ban them. So please ban them or at least issue a warning now, unless you want groups like this hanging around at all major star gates.
Originally by: DB Preacher
Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
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Dekar
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Posted - 2004.04.21 09:57:00 -
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2. They're not 15 years old. Read their posts on the first 6 pages of this thread. No (or very little) smileys, "lol"s, typos, or grammatical mistakes.
Actually, it's filled with grammatical/spelling errors, typos and immature behavior. Have you been reading it at all?
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Eggduck
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Posted - 2004.04.21 09:58:00 -
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Edited by: Eggduck on 21/04/2004 09:59:27
It is an exploit
PPl who do this trick know they are in such an advantedge that ppl they attack can do nothing about it...
An escort is useless...if someone gets shot, what should the escord do then?
Shoot back? then he loses sec.standing and will be shot by concord.
So it's an exploit because ppl are taking advantedge of faulty game-mechanics in first degree
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Lao Tzu
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Posted - 2004.04.21 10:19:00 -
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2. They're not 15 years old. Read their posts on the first 6 pages of this thread. No (or very little) smileys, "lol"s, typos, or grammatical mistakes.
I'm not far off 30
Lol
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Kunming
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Posted - 2004.04.21 10:26:00 -
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Off topic: I took a 4 days break from EVE...
Comming back to the forums and seeing this topic is still on top of the list, I think we need an official responce to this.
Personally I feel safer in 0.0 space as I can fire back to defend my self or use webifiers and run away. Empire space punishes honest players...
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Jazz Bo
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Posted - 2004.04.21 10:27:00 -
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Edited by: Jazz Bo on 21/04/2004 10:31:23
Originally by: Dekar
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2. They're not 15 years old. Read their posts on the first 6 pages of this thread. No (or very little) smileys, "lol"s, typos, or grammatical mistakes.
Actually, it's filled with grammatical/spelling errors, typos and immature behavior. Have you been reading it at all?
This:
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We would like to thank you for cleaning this thread up. On a side note, we feel this entire thread is derogatory and misguided in nature, but, we let the authorites make the decisions and police the games. We salute you!
... is not your typical 15-year old forumite's writing, is it?
What I'm saying that accusing someone of being g4y/15 years old/whatever when that someone does something you don't approve of is fairly typical forum knee-jerk behaviour.
But I'll modify my claim:
They exhibit far less use of smileys, typos, lols, swearing, and grammatical errors on the first 6 pages of this thread than your average 15-year olds, therefore there are no grounds for calling them that
(furthermore, English is not the first language of many forumites, so some typos are to be expected. It's my fourth language, so obviously I make mistakes every now and then. Doesn't make me 15 years old though)
Originally by: DB Preacher
Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
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Jim Hawkins
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Posted - 2004.04.21 10:45:00 -
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How easy it is to whine and moan on these forums. I'm puzzled that more people just don't do something positive in game by tackling the folks you feel are causing you grief.
No matter how many things are reviewed or changed - often in reaction to an exploit - people will always find a new way to get a hold of your lovely loot. That's human ingenuity for you. Deal with it!
If you don't like what these pirates are doing, declare war and shoot them. Remember, they're only alts (prolly?) with a few basic skills - so even if you're new, it won't take you long to be just as militarily effective as they are.
There are many ways to tackle these problems, you just have to figure them out by being as ingenious as the villians.
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2004.04.21 10:51:00 -
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As far as I know, mainly from CSM, FAQ and other CCP sources.
Engaging someone in 1.0 is not an exploit.
Doing it without getting caught by concord however is and as far as I have gathered even getting away from the crimescene makes it an exploit even if you get yourself podded on the other end of a warp.
Thus, if it is true that you managed to kill a person and warp away only to get killed elswhere by concord you are exploiting.
As for the tactic of having a scanner player checking cargo untill a jucy oponent arives, do a suicide run with a kestrel or similar ship, die and have a buddy pick upp the dropped loot.
Its not an exploit as such but CCP has decided it is not somthing they want to have in their game and thus cargo cans dropped by destroyed ships in 1.0 will be taged owned, If you are at war with the owner or if you are in the same corp and possibly gang you will be able to loot the can but if you are not you will be flagged hostile and killed by gateguns and or concord for doing it.
Its not a good solution but yet again pirate griefers have pushed CCP to have to make changes that inhibits piracy, luckily this forum is text based and thus I wont go deaf when the whining about yet another pirate nerf starts upp.
Come to think of it, Im going to have to look into adding sound to a post... should be possible just a question of how to code it :)
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Randuin MaraL
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Posted - 2004.04.21 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: Eggduck
PPl who do this trick know they are in such an advantedge that ppl they attack can do nothing about it...
Have a look at the Ships & Modules forum here.
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Skokeh
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Posted - 2004.04.21 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Emil Antonowsky
Here is the deal. We kill carebears. TomB allows to to pod carebears. Infact, we have our own Fight Club hanger.
and you can only be applauded for it 
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Leisha Kael
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Posted - 2004.04.21 12:14:00 -
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Having been killed and lost some minerals that were valuable to me in this manner (abeit by another corp that has jumped on this band wagon)and during the severe lag in Sunday,I thought I would add my view to this.
I dont usually browse the forums as I find they just descend into people bickering with each other and the point is lost, therefore I was blissfully unaware that this was happening as I tend to live in 0.5 space (yes before you say it could be said its my fault for not reading the forum, but when they descend into 'flame wars' i believe you call them? who can blame me?)
If this problem has been around so long and CCP dont condone these actions and see it as such a major flaw that they need to change the game ethics to combat this, then why were we not advised? a simple system message would have been nice to see just to make people aware that this was happening. As it stands for people like me who dont read the forums due to the previous statement the only way we learn is by experience. Fortunately I have people around me who can help me recover my loss (however i will now have to spend 2 weeks earning isk to pay this debt of just so im back on level ground) however for other players who may not be in that position this can seriously damage there enjoyment of a game.
I have taken the experience onboard now and have made arrangements to try and prevent this happening to me again (live and learn, how true) however I was very annoyed with myself for not being prepared, CCP for the lack of communication around this issue and with the agressors who are seriously damaging what could become a great game.
My concerns are with -
1) CCP lack of communication on this matter and any other 'legal exploits' ' bending of game mechanics' whatever they are called - please keep your customers informed, is it too much to ask for a simple system msg around this and also stating that a fix was being looked into (something else i was not aware off until now), then your customers can see CCP are aware and dealing with the matter.
2) Someone also mentioned on this thread that due to the raging debate and concerns a post from the community officer on the official stand and lead time before we can expect a fix (do we have to wait for shiva?) im sure you will have lost some trialists due to this and maybe one or two more experianced players who have just lost paitience with CCP
3) when was the iron curtain installed in Iceland? the silence is deafening
Sorry for the long post but my points are directed at the community manager and CCP in the vain attempt they may break there silence
thank you
'a women is like a tea bag, you never know how strong she is until you put her in hot water'
He that plants thorns must never expect to gather roses, English Proverb
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Tetsuo
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Posted - 2004.04.21 13:06:00 -
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Actually, I think that CCP stated that all killing in 1.0 space is considered an exploit. They said so in a CSM chat.
But that might have changed, I have been away from the game and forums for a while so (since february)
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5nake pliskan
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Posted - 2004.04.21 13:40:00 -
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so hows the war going? have any of these 3 or more corps took any of these greifer crew out yet?
gotta love a bunch of guys that buy games just to greif them, and then move on to the next game when it gets boring.
pretty sad, let me guess, you were the geeks that got the smackdown every day in school huh?
oh yes now the time is ripe for us to reap our horrible revenge on the world, they'll rue the day they hung me in my locker by my underwear
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Dekar
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Posted - 2004.04.21 14:13:00 -
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... is not your typical 15-year old forumite's writing, is it?
One "neat" post out of many "bad" posts does not form that conclusion at all. So I fail to see your point :)
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Aldelphius
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Posted - 2004.04.21 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: ZelRox
Edited by: ZelRox on 19/04/2004 11:20:03
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First of all: if you are carrying 100Mio in an industrial ask one of your corp member to run convoy in a bs as you are presenting a lovely and tempting target.
Because having a escort in secure space doesn't mean squat. Escorts cant fire on the rats unless they want to loose their ships to concord and gate guns.
If fired from long range, cms will be picked off by gate guns, or at least mine were a while back, while shooting at a ore thief.
A cool solution would be to give indies a missile launcher slot. As lock time sucks, you would have to use eather fofs or defenders to protect your self.
Anyway in a week, these wannabies will be banned out of highway systems due to the sec status. I bet we wont be hearing from them in a looong time. If they come to 0.0, they are going to get their asses kicked. Simple as that.
Btw, flare i love that crow man , wanna give it to me
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.04.21 20:02:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 21/04/2004 20:03:47
Originally by: 5nake pliskan
so hows the war going? have any of these 3 or more corps took any of these greifer crew out yet?
gotta love a bunch of guys that buy games just to greif them, and then move on to the next game when it gets boring.
pretty sad, let me guess, you were the geeks that got the smackdown every day in school huh?
oh yes now the time is ripe for us to reap our horrible revenge on the world, they'll rue the day they hung me in my locker by my underwear
We just declared war and I think PIE have said they will also.
Edit: Red Bone Corsairs have declared war too.
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Smacktastic
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Posted - 2004.04.21 21:08:00 -
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I think this whole thread is quality whining.
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dutchfreak
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Posted - 2004.04.21 21:51:00 -
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Edited by: dutchfreak on 21/04/2004 21:57:52
Edited by: dutchfreak on 21/04/2004 21:56:24
I agree with the above.
To the guy who asked what my name was all about:
Dutch=> yes i am dutch, meaning i am born, live and will prolly die in The Netherlands
Freak=> i can be as insane, perverted, irratic and all out stupid as i want, but in a subtle kinda way.
and i do have some dignity, honour and sence left after smoking all that pot.
... in accordance with the above post, i wil reframe myself from posting here again.
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Leisha Kael
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Posted - 2004.04.22 12:20:00 -
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in reply to Pychian on the locked thread -
If I knew how to quote I would but I donÆt so ill paste 
'As I have said in my post before, if you prepare for such events then you will be less likely to be effected by them'
This is very true and I agree totally, my issue was that I was not aware of such activities so therefore unable to prepare, hence my request for a system msg on such behaviour, if CCP feel the need to change the game mechanics to combat behaviour they find detrimental to the gaming experience of the majority, then warn us please so we can prepare until the problem is solved. The issue is not all paying customer have spare time to play this game for hours on end each day or to surf the forums for information, so there will always be customers who are not aware on any such problems with game play mechanics. All IÆm requesting is a simple looped system msg or heck even use the billboards and give them a proper use! Its about communication (not everyone reads the forums, I only read the forum as I wanted to know the CCP and community stance on this particular issue)
As for the hypothetical scenario, interesting comment and after some thought I tend to feel I would prefer this than the other scenario where the leeches bleed the new or unaware dry. Once fixed im sure these same people will find another way to bend the rules and were back to square one, however if CCP had a system for warning customer of these activities that have been reported then the people they prey on are more aware and less likely to be a victim. This may mean that the rewards for bending rules are less fruitful and they may decide to play the game in another fashion (hopefully the proper one, candle in the wind thought but we can hope)
I have now been made aware of the issue by being a victim, how many others found out about this the hard way? I have now taken steps to try and stop this happening again but it could have been avoided if CCP had a official communication system for these matters
thank you
He that plants thorns must never expect to gather roses, English Proverb
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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2004.04.22 12:25:00 -
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I don't see this as any sort of exploit its players using their cunning to take advantage of player who assume safety when its not 100% guaranteed.
I am now going to put my head on the block and call myself a hypocrite for what I have said above as I feel the same about insta jumps and insta docking as other do about kessie kamakazi's, neither is an exploit but can give a large advantage using game mechanics in a way not realy designed for.
So as CCP did nothing about haulers avoiding gate attacks with insta jumps should it not be the same for the pirates keeping this in return?
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.04.22 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 21/04/2004 20:03:47
Originally by: 5nake pliskan
so hows the war going? have any of these 3 or more corps took any of these greifer crew out yet?
gotta love a bunch of guys that buy games just to greif them, and then move on to the next game when it gets boring.
pretty sad, let me guess, you were the geeks that got the smackdown every day in school huh?
oh yes now the time is ripe for us to reap our horrible revenge on the world, they'll rue the day they hung me in my locker by my underwear
We just declared war and I think PIE have said they will also.
Edit: Red Bone Corsairs have declared war too.
Jericho Fraction have declared war on these people too. We believe they demean the reputation of Frigate pilots and their unskilled tactics offend us. Blood and ashes to the Detroit Crime Syndicate!
(Love and peace to everyone else) ((apart from the FE and allies of course))
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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2004.04.22 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Leisha Kael
I have now been made aware of the issue by being a victim, how many others found out about this the hard way? I have now taken steps to try and stop this happening again but it could have been avoided if CCP had a official communication system for these matters
thank you
What do you expect them to send a message every time something mildly dangerous is going on in a system?
Communication has nothing to do with it, its all about player preparation. Ingnorance is bliss until it bites you in the arse.
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Leisha Kael
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Posted - 2004.04.22 12:39:00 -
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Edited by: Leisha Kael on 22/04/2004 12:53:26
Edited by: Leisha Kael on 22/04/2004 12:48:52
oops duplicate post - sorry
mildly dangerous? I think this issue is much more than that considering the amount of people effected and the fact that CCP are now having to change game mechanics to combat this.
I have no problem with pirate activites they add an important part to the world of eve, this activity does not.
I stand by my comment of the different types of player that play this game, does a player that pays his fees and has say 5 hours a week to play deserve to be treated any different to people who live and breath eve?
if you have 5 hours a week to play would you spend it searching forums for the latest game weaknesses? if its being changed then make us aware thats all im asking, its far better this way than tinkering with many other ideas that have a knock on effect to other areas of the game imho, warn us until CCP resolve it the way they feel fit.
Thankyou for your time and replies but once again il leave the forum as I have no interest in bickering on the forum, i was trying to put forward a way that may reduce this activity until CCP resolve however they seem fit.
He that plants thorns must never expect to gather roses, English Proverb
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Ylang Star
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Posted - 2004.04.22 16:11:00 -
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Maybe an Indy could use a special luncher that only uses defender missiles?
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2004.04.22 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Clarence Bo****er
(Unless we're really bored, and someone starts running their mouth in local).
i could argue with you on that point, but i'd have to convince myself first 
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And on that note, I contacted a GM to get an official word on what we are doing. While I wont post the response, he did say there was nothing explicitly wrong with our actions. Being the nice guy that I am, I gave him some good tips on how to make this a bit more balanced.
they have many such tips - at this point what's needed is for some of them to be freakin' implemented  .
just to reiteration,
DOWN WITH CONCORD. so frickin' useless... i like the fact that sentries launch defenders too, meaning if you launch your nukes at the victim from 50m that defenders have a pretty good chance of hitting the victim instead of the missile  .
wheee, let's throw more stupid AI at the problem! sigh.
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Harry Voyager
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Posted - 2004.04.22 17:20:00 -
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Just call 1-800-555-CloneAThug. You too can have your own limitless supply of disposible villians. Merely train them until they can use cruise missiles, throw them at valuable Indies, and collect the profits. When the thug become to unpopulare, simply recycle them, and order a new one to fill it's place.
Act now, and install your CloneAThugs in high traffic areas, before your competiton even gets a chance. Properly placed CloneAThug can take in hundreds, thousands, or even millions of ISK a day, without you ever having to lift a finger or expose yourself to retribution.
All of our CloneAThugs are 100% guaranteed for the life of the Thug, or until CCP alters the thuggish properties, which ever comes first.
Act now!
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Jazz Bo
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Posted - 2004.04.22 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Pychian Vanervi
...neither is an exploit but can give a large advantage using game mechanics in a way not realy designed for.
CCP's definition of an 'exploit':
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The common definition of an exploit is ôto use the game mechanics in such a way as they were not intended for the purpose of gaining an unfair advantage over other players.ö
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Originally by: DB Preacher
Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
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Hardin
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Posted - 2004.04.25 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: 5nake pliskan
so hows the war going? have any of these 3 or more corps took any of these greifer crew out yet?
Killed around six of their ships yesterday and a few more in between the server problems...
See this thread for details of one 'incident'
Actually have to give them a little kudos. We assumed that as soon as we declared war they would just dissappear into another alt corp when we made life difficult for them - but they haven't yet... maybe we haven't made it difficult enough yet
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