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Tar om
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Posted - 2004.04.19 18:06:00 -
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Why are alts even available in the game? They seem to allow more exploits than any other "feature" in the game. Bin the alts, get rid of the alt-lamers.
Tar-om -- We are the Octavian Vanguard www.octavianvanguard.net http://www.serenitymovie.com |

Ahlaia
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Posted - 2004.04.19 18:12:00 -
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O.D.C.S people, do not listen to this people, what ur doing IS LEGAL, u destroyed her ship and concord destroyed yours, SIMPLE.
as for you TeeTee, there are many ways to prevent, if u dont do any of them, you are a newbie or simply too lazy, and that is not the fault of any1 here but you.
Oh and for those who thikn these guys in Kessies are alts, tehy are not, it takes long to get cruise missiles and stuff, also, they can simply train Torpedos and get a Caracal, and still they would profit A LOT, u say u had 100mil worth cargo, a caracal equiped costs 5mil.

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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.04.19 18:16:00 -
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Quote: O.D.C.S people, do not listen to this people, what ur doing IS LEGAL, u destroyed her ship and concord destroyed yours, SIMPLE.
as for you TeeTee, there are many ways to prevent, if u dont do any of them, you are a newbie or simply too lazy, and that is not the fault of any1 here but you.
Oh and for those who thikn these guys in Kessies are alts, tehy are not, it takes long to get cruise missiles and stuff, also, they can simply train Torpedos and get a Caracal, and still they would profit A LOT, u say u had 100mil worth cargo, a caracal equiped costs 5mil.

It takes a lot longer to train to use a caracal and torpedoes.
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Kynoch
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Posted - 2004.04.19 18:17:00 -
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Quote:
Quote: Why are alts even available in the game? They seem to allow more exploits than any other "feature" in the game. Bin the alts, get rid of the alt-lamers.
Tar-om
Couldnt agree more! Almightybig doesnt seem to have the balls to do it, so he makes an alt corp, then brings in his alt almightbiggie (how original). We are all very scared.
After reading lots of these posts, its clear to me that some ppl don't know how to leave emotion out of a debate. It is facts that count, not raw emotion.
No emotion from me. It would be like stepping on a roach...removing a nuisance and thats all. This would be fun though. Its nice to smack down the smack talker...hehehe.
I dont have a prob with alts...or people working within the rules/mechanics of the game even when the outcome is distasteful. Their should be consequences though...and it looks like theys a comin'.
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2004.04.19 19:06:00 -
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Quote: I will be petitioning HARRASSMENT for you attacking my integrety.
then add me to your petition, for i say you have none. edited -[crc]garvan
You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike. |

Tar om
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Posted - 2004.04.19 19:08:00 -
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I like the suggestion in Jade's thread that characters should show as "Relative of <other charnames>" so that you can see who the main is of any lamer-alt that starts popping cruise at you from his kestrel. It wouldn't completely solve the problem of lamers who abuse the alt system to cycle all three chars through kestrels but it would make sure that they are stuck in the recycling game and can't profit from their exploits with a main char unless they buy two boxes.
I doubt most of these kids could persuade their parents to buy two accounts, so it should help. If we can't ban alts altogether then I guess forcing people to buy extra boxes would at least mean that they add something to the game, even if it is only revenue and not anything positive in terms of Roleplay, Realism or even good manners....
Tar om -- We are the Octavian Vanguard www.octavianvanguard.net http://www.serenitymovie.com |

Xertas
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Posted - 2004.04.19 19:12:00 -
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Edited by: Xertas on 19/04/2004 19:15:34 Deleteing ALTS will not work. I like my alts, lets you play different ways in same game.
Increase the delete time for ALTS or something. To slow down ALT laming.
How bout ALTS with Neg Sec take 2 weeks to delete. You could still use the tactic but it would sure as hell slow it down some.
Edit: Or how about you have to pay the outstanding bounty on an ALT before you can delete it? If you have a x million dollar bounty on ur mean alt you have to pay it to Concord before you can clear that slot?
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2004.04.19 19:19:00 -
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hmmm
what if sec hits in given timeframe X were logarithmic? Like, Suicide Kestrel one day ganks some indy at a gate, ok, whatever, sec hit / CONCORD spanking / etc.
Successive negative actions in a small timeframe (few hours?) incur progressively greater penalty.
Like, go on a shooting mass-murderdeathkill spree, and SWAT and the rest are likely to take a quicker and harsher notice =).
Further, i STILl think my old "apb" idea is a viable solution to this. Gankwhack for several negative points in a given region, that region puts out an APB on your ass, your face starts appearing on local billboards as ARMED AND DANGEROUS, and you become FREE-FIRE for a short time period. You don't care, you were gonna die anyway, right? And you're in favor of PvP, right? A mass murderer currently fleeing the cops and wanted for questioning has just publically murdered 4 people, i turn a corner and there he is, weapon in hand, approaching me... I blow his head off. No cop on this earth, even in this country =), would berate me overmuch, it's called a "clear and present danger" to my life.
I don't want to NERF fighting in Empire space, i wanna make it frickin' POSSIBLE. 
There are many creative and entertaining ways to allow actual conflict without even removing the ability of the suicide kestrels to do their thang... they just can't maybe do it for 6 hours straight with a few friends and no RISK. Remember risk? CCP loves risk, right? 
The haulers meanwhile will be taken care of by TomB's contraband rules.
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Bob Morton
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Posted - 2004.04.19 19:28:00 -
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Quote: however, will you put your money where your mouth is? Would you support ideas that would actually put you in danger of being *gasp* ATTACKED whilst plying your trade?
i FULLY support a system that makes what i'm doing impossible and/or harder. but until that system exists, i'm not going to stop.
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2004.04.19 19:31:00 -
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Quote:
Quote: however, will you put your money where your mouth is? Would you support ideas that would actually put you in danger of being *gasp* ATTACKED whilst plying your trade?
i FULLY support a system that makes what i'm doing impossible and/or harder. but until that system exists, i'm not going to stop.
...which is fine with me because tbh nothing else will bring a change.
carry on then 
You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike. |

Bob Morton
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Posted - 2004.04.19 20:02:00 -
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Quote: ...which is fine with me because tbh nothing else will bring a change.
carry on then 
you don't need to worry about that a bit, 
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Malice Devilbunny
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Posted - 2004.04.19 20:06:00 -
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Personal opinion, I think it's one or two people with multiple accounts. Use one to gank, one to loot, nothing complex.
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Garvan
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Posted - 2004.04.19 21:00:00 -
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All off topic, flaming and trolling was deleted/edited.
Keep it on topic and civil.
-[CRC]Garvan
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.04.19 21:15:00 -
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I would like to add that the buying and selling of in-game items (this includes game accounts) is strictly prohibited according to EULA.
I have noticed that there are many issues arising from alts, and I advise the community to raise these issues by brining this subject up on any CSM chats.
I hope all further replies to this discussion will be on-topic, respectful and flame/troll free.
Thank you 
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage Mail [email protected] if you have any questions. |

D1ck Jones
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Posted - 2004.04.19 21:30:00 -
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We would like to thank you for cleaning this thread up. On a side note, we feel this entire thread is derogatory and misguided in nature, but, we let the authorites make the decisions and police the games. We salute you!
I had a guaranteed military sale with ED209! Renovation program! Spare parts for 25 years! Who cares if it worked or not! |

dutchfreak
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Posted - 2004.04.19 21:47:00 -
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On topic: Why doesnt anybody start up a alt corp to gank gankers? Or just declare war offcourse and kill the gankers... just a thought, i would have done it, if i where any better at PvP
How did this came to my mind? because alot of peeps "whine" about beeing killed and hating those "pirates" and still they do nothing. Actually to get rid of this sort of behaviour, we must all stand up and fight against it. And not just petition and ask for the GM's to take care of it. Just my 2 isk tho, and like i said: i wish i where better at PvP, but im training up for it now  
/emote grins as he looks forward to some action
Oh and to the Old DETROIT Crime Syndicate, WTF? there is no Detroit in EvE.... let alone if they would ever still know that once upon a time in the past it existed. Get a better name dude  (just kiddin on that one really )
edited away reply to a post that was deleted-Eris Discordia ------------------------ Remember, my child: Without innocence the cross is only iron, hope is only an illusion & Ocean Soul's nothing but a name...
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D1ck Jones
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Posted - 2004.04.19 21:54:00 -
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I guess you dont understand our name. Its your loss.
I had a guaranteed military sale with ED209! Renovation program! Spare parts for 25 years! Who cares if it worked or not! |

The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2004.04.19 22:02:00 -
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Gahh...
Noob "pirates" and beefcake corps arguing. Its very tiresome. Although, the pasted log is interesting. I do so much hate those whom need to drop names to feel tough. If you guys don't like them, do something about it. My guys already (should) know better than to carry valuables in a tin can.
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Elphaba
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Posted - 2004.04.19 23:52:00 -
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I have now seen several people state with absolute certainty that:
Quote: any non-war attack in 1.0 would not be tolerated and viewed as an exploit.
But the only official statement I recall seeing myself indicated otherwise.
Can anyone provide a link to substantiate this??? I suspect that people are deliberately spreading misinformation in an attempt to save their fuzzy, cotton-stuffed hides... could be wrong, but, well, that's just the way I am...
As I understand the rules:
So long as you do not take any "out-of-game" measures (logging, etc) to prevent Concord destroying your ship, and you recieve the correct reduction in security standing, you are NOT exploiting.
Kestral-Kazi might be Cheap, but I have yet to see anything that makes me believe it is cheating. If that is not correct, please share the evidence 
Untill a GM or Polaris Rep tells them otherwise, ODCS appears to be playing the game as intended.
Quote: ...weeks of hard work...
wow, that sounds really boring... I'd probably quit too if I was playing that game. Someone's been sucking on 'roids to long 
<3
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.04.20 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: Elphaba I have now seen several people state with absolute certainty that:
Quote: any non-war attack in 1.0 would not be tolerated and viewed as an exploit.
But the only official statement I recall seeing myself indicated otherwise.
Can anyone provide a link to substantiate this???
Well, no .. because it isn't true. You're at liberty to attack anyone you please in 1.0 space; the *important* point is that you're not supposed to be able to make a profit from it. CCP instigated CONCORD, as far as I can tell, because they wanted to avoid the "you cannot attack other players in this area" nonsense that affects .... well, every single other game I've ever played that allowed optional PvP. Unfortunately, far too many people don't see it that way, and just see CONCORD as an annoyance round which they have to find sneaky ways to still commit PvP in high-sec space.
_______ "Soon" is an ancient Icelandic word meaning "some time before the next Ice Age." |

Bob Morton
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Posted - 2004.04.20 01:35:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr the *important* point is that you're not supposed to be able to make a profit from it
/emote throws around millions of isk and picks up some high class amaarian slave girls
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Origim
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Posted - 2004.04.20 01:47:00 -
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Edited by: Origim on 20/04/2004 02:06:46
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Bob Morton
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Posted - 2004.04.20 01:48:00 -
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Edited by: Bob Morton on 20/04/2004 02:17:00 k.
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Origim
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Posted - 2004.04.20 01:58:00 -
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Edited by: Origim on 20/04/2004 02:06:15
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Malice Devilbunny
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Posted - 2004.04.20 02:40:00 -
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If you look at all the names and the corp name, it's all Robocop themed.
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Bob Morton
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Posted - 2004.04.20 02:45:00 -
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Originally by: Malice Devilbunny If you look at all the names and the corp name, it's all Robocop themed.
DING DING DING
WE HAVE A WINNER!
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Razor Jaxx
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Posted - 2004.04.20 07:12:00 -
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Edited by: Razor Jaxx on 20/04/2004 07:15:11
Originally by: TeeTee Just got killed in my interon 5 by Old Detroit Crime Syindicate , evidently they found a way to lauch cruise missles from there capsules and I lost around 100 million in freight and named cargo expanders. The help chanel is broken so no way to report these cheaters. May quit the game over this, if its that easy for people in capsules to take weeks of hard work then this game is not for me.
I would also suggest that you put valuable items and/or minerals inside passworded secure cans and then put the secure cans inside your hauler. This might deter eventual attackers as (a) they will be unable to check what's inside the cans and (b) they won't be able to open the cans anyway. The added bonus being that using cans, you will be able to haul even more cargo, as secure cans provide more cargo space than they use.
And as bad as you may think these guys are, their attack at least had a purpose, viz. to lay their hands on what you were hauling.
Which they did.
That they got away with it is another issue. And I cannot help but notice that a lot of trouble these days seem to stem from the use of alts, evidently because alts do not suffer the consequences of their actions, or at least do not mind them.
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Les Exolent
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Posted - 2004.04.20 07:32:00 -
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Goodluck ODCS, rock'em hard 
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Professor Coldheart
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Posted - 2004.04.20 07:54:00 -
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Originally by: Razor Jaxx That they got away with it is another issue. And I cannot help but notice that a lot of trouble these days seem to stem from the use of alts, evidently because alts do not suffer the consequences of their actions, or at least do not mind them.
Yes, it must be an ebil alt because new players couldnt possibly join Eve.
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Marquedios
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Posted - 2004.04.20 09:25:00 -
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Edited by: Marquedios on 20/04/2004 09:27:25 This dissappoints me really. I was sitting in yulai one night cause a friend called me and asked if I could run to Yulai and try to get to his can cause he had been shot down with this exact same tactic. So I did but of course I was too late and had to sit there and watch as this indy proceeded to loot his left over empty secure cans. But to get on with the story... I saw these guys in action while sitting there bored and thought I'd loot their cans of the cheap missile launchers they dropped after exploding and attempt to blow up the cans before they managed to loot them. I succeeded in emptying the standard ml's they dropped but couldn't pop the cans in time cause my little vigil only has autocannons on and I'd left my cruises in the station a few jumps away. So I run out of ammo attempting to pop the cans with those weak autocannons and proceed to the station to get more ammo. What happens? I start getting convo after convo from these guys for some odd reason then I get the hate mail. Should have saved the mails but one of these guys was asking why I was stealing from them. /me thinks he'll be camping at Yulai when he's bored in his breacher or kestrel just to harrass these guys and give them a taste of their own medicine  Tenßx Incorporated Online Application |
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