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What has turned out better than expected?

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I beat they was in kesterals and died so quick the mails say capsels

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Just got killed in my interon 5 by Old Detroit Crime Syindicate , evidently they found a way to lauch cruise missles from there capsules and I lost around 100 million in freight and named cargo expanders. The help chanel is broken so no way to report these cheaters. May quit the game over this, if its that easy for people in capsules to take weeks of hard work then this game is not for me.

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Lets look at the facts to show how wrong you are.
1. When the cruise missles started hitting me I engaged photon sheild hardener and sheild booster , I was not AFK.
2.Most of us know what you are really doing , you train a noob character to fly a kestral and train torps or cruise missles , you then park in a 1.0 gate like Yulai and kill all the indys that have anything of value. Your friends then scoop up the items from the victim in there indys. When u noob character has a bad enough sector standing you then recycle the character and make a new 1 to start the process all over. Has nothing to do with skill its a weakness in the game mechanics that let u take easy advantage of people that work hard so you wont have to work hard.
3. I am not against pirating but I am against exploiting , If I had been in in a low sector space I would have no problem if I had gotten killed.
4. You and your exploiting bunch can spin it any way you like the bottom line is you are not pirates as that takes hard work you are just parasites not worthy to play the game as it was intended.

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Just got killed in my interon 5 by Old Detroit Crime Syindicate , evidently they found a way to lauch cruise missles from there capsules and I lost around 100 million in freight and named cargo expanders. The help chanel is broken so no way to report these cheaters. May quit the game over this, if its that easy for people in capsules to take weeks of hard work then this game is not for me.

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Just got killed in my interon 5 by Old Detroit Crime Syindicate , evidently they found a way to lauch cruise missles from there capsules and I lost around 100 million in freight and named cargo expanders. The help chanel is broken so no way to report these cheaters. May quit the game over this, if its that easy for people in capsules to take weeks of hard work then this game is not for me.

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Here is the deal. We kill carebears. TomB allows to to pod carebears. Infact, we have our own Fight Club hanger.

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Just got killed in my interon 5 by Old Detroit Crime Syindicate , evidently they found a way to lauch cruise missles from there capsules and I lost around 100 million in freight and named cargo expanders. The help chanel is broken so no way to report these cheaters. May quit the game over this, if its that easy for people in capsules to take weeks of hard work then this game is not for me.

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just petition it, DEV's have already stated that killing in 1.0 systems should not happend and anybody who does will be banned (as they have told everybody not to over and over and over). You should also get the stuff you lost back.

no reason to quit, but if you feel that bad....can i have you stuff?

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D1ck Jones created 7th April 04.

Emil antonowsky created 7th April 04.

Clarence Bo****er created 7th April 04.


At least they have a corporation you can declare war upon, though.

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It's only 24hrs for a war declaration, yes?

[CLAR] are coming back to Empire this week so I guess we've found ourselves a tasty little tidbit to chew on before our next NPC hunt holiday.

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Here is the deal. We kill carebears. TomB allows to to pod carebears. Infact, we have our own Fight Club hanger.

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let me add 1 other thing that makes this an exploit, after they get a bad enough sec rating there all going to have huge bountys , they will just get there buddy to kill them for the bounty, then recycle the alt and make a new 1 with kestral skill and cruise missle. Then pull the same exploit. Easy and lame way to make isks in the game and not really have to play the game. Thats why they should be banned.

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Just got killed in my interon 5 by Old Detroit Crime Syindicate , evidently they found a way to lauch cruise missles from there capsules and I lost around 100 million in freight and named cargo expanders. The help chanel is broken so no way to report these cheaters. May quit the game over this, if its that easy for people in capsules to take weeks of hard work then this game is not for me.

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For two, it takes awhile to make a decent pvp character as we have found out.

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Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.

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For two, it takes awhile to make a decent pvp character as we have found out.

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This is why normal frigates (ie not Elite) should not be able to use Cruise missles.

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So why not make your own alts and gank the old detroit carebear syndicate's indys in your own kestrel?

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Anyone want a good laugh? And I thought M0o had standards from my readings.

Here is a piece of a convo with a dewd named Phonix. From the so called Fade something or other.

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no alts? Better solution; institute a fine against those who choose to initiate hostilities in empire space outside of sanctioned corp wars. Make the fine far beyond anything they could hope to gain from ganking indy ships. If the character doesn't have the money for the fine then have the debt transferred to whichever account does have the isk. If none have the isk then have all three characters be charge a negative balance in their wallet of the total outstanding isk due.

Griefers will be griefers no matter what you do. They will always try to find a way to disrupt other people's enjoyment of the game. The point is to make it so you can ignore them rather than creating blanket rules and accounts that hurt the honest/legit people who use alts. Rather than the preschoolers who just learned how to log onto the internet and use their mommy and daddy's charge card.
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So why not make your own alts and gank the old detroit carebear syndicate's indys in your own kestrel?

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That was because ppl were avoiding Concode. We dont. We play in the rules. If I had a concorde sanctioned war I can kill in 1.0 without concorde interfering. That is killing in 1.0. Narrow definitions my friend. We take calculated risks. Its called privateering. The highways should be 0.0 anyway. You carebears are trying to make this into a Sims in Space expansion.

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No, the last people who did this were not avoiding concord. They were using kestrels with cruise missles.

This is regarded as an exploit as they knew full well that they would be destroyed and their friends could pick up the loot.

You can say it is within game mechanics as much as you like but CCP regard it as ban-able.

To call people Carebears when you are using a no-risk way of attacking Indy ships in safe space is absolutely hilarious.

Try doing the same thing in 0.0

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This is why normal frigates (ie not Elite) should not be able to use Cruise missles.

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The reason is, when the indy is being attacked what in hell can the bs/cruiser escorting do about it??

If the indy pilot says he is being targeted and the escort then locks and shoots the targetting ship then he gets ganked by concord

If he waits till the indy is fired on and then opens fire he gets ganked again cos the aggressive act wasn't against him.

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But i could be wrong, are there any ways for the escort to actually protect the indy, ie shoot and kill the attacker with out being ganked them selves??

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First of all: if you are carrying 100Mio in an industrial ask one of your corp member to run convoy in a bs as you are presenting a lovely and tempting target.

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Btw, flare i love that crow man , wanna give it to me

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CCP have stated that using alts and Kestrels to kill in 1.0 systems is exploiting and a bannable crime. (this was when another corp called Zombie something or other was doing it).


Just report them to CCP in an exploit petition and you will get your stuff back.

Hopefully the perpertrators will get banned, it doesnt matter if its an alt, if they have it on the same account as their main char that'll get banned too.

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This is why normal frigates (ie not Elite) should not be able to use Cruise missles.

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CCP: Please get rid of all alts now. They are ghey and cause so many problems in this game its just stupid.

How about next patch? Just get people to nominate their main when they log in and then erase everything else. Screw the consequences, it'll be far better for the game in the longterm and was a stupid dumb decisions to have them in the game to start with.

I await the inevitable crying and whining from the Eve community with glee

Miso x

PS: Get rid of alts now.

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no. my alts got 2.8 mill sp , no way i mean thats like 3 months

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and to those old detroit guys, I'll be ready for you next time....

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Lets look at the facts to show how wrong you are.
1. When the cruise missles started hitting me I engaged photon sheild hardener and sheild booster , I was not AFK.
2.Most of us know what you are really doing , you train a noob character to fly a kestral and train torps or cruise missles , you then park in a 1.0 gate like Yulai and kill all the indys that have anything of value. Your friends then scoop up the items from the victim in there indys. When u noob character has a bad enough sector standing you then recycle the character and make a new 1 to start the process all over. Has nothing to do with skill its a weakness in the game mechanics that let u take easy advantage of people that work hard so you wont have to work hard.
3. I am not against pirating but I am against exploiting , If I had been in in a low sector space I would have no problem if I had gotten killed.
4. You and your exploiting bunch can spin it any way you like the bottom line is you are not pirates as that takes hard work you are just parasites not worthy to play the game as it was intended.

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Crying out CHEATER or EXPLOITER will not lower your own responsibility in this.

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O.D.C.S people, do not listen to this people, what ur doing IS LEGAL, u destroyed her ship and concord destroyed yours, SIMPLE.

as for you TeeTee, there are many ways to prevent, if u dont do any of them, you are a newbie or simply too lazy, and that is not the fault of any1 here but you.

Oh and for those who thikn these guys in Kessies are alts, tehy are not, it takes long to get cruise missiles and stuff, also, they can simply train Torpedos and get a Caracal, and still they would profit A LOT, u say u had 100mil worth cargo, a caracal equiped costs 5mil.

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Why are alts even available in the game? They seem to allow more exploits than any other "feature" in the game. Bin the alts, get rid of the alt-lamers.

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Couldnt agree more! Almightybig doesnt seem to have the balls to do it, so he makes an alt corp, then brings in his alt almightbiggie (how original). We are all very scared.


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I will be petitioning HARRASSMENT for you attacking my integrety.

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however, will you put your money where your mouth is? Would you support ideas that would actually put you in danger of being *gasp* ATTACKED whilst plying your trade?

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however, will you put your money where your mouth is? Would you support ideas that would actually put you in danger of being *gasp* ATTACKED whilst plying your trade?

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i FULLY support a system that makes what i'm doing impossible and/or harder. but until that system exists, i'm not going to stop.

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...which is fine with me because tbh nothing else will bring a change.

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Originally by: Malice Devilbunny

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If you look at all the names and the corp name, it's all Robocop themed.

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Originally by: TeeTee

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Just got killed in my interon 5 by Old Detroit Crime Syindicate , evidently they found a way to lauch cruise missles from there capsules and I lost around 100 million in freight and named cargo expanders. The help chanel is broken so no way to report these cheaters. May quit the game over this, if its that easy for people in capsules to take weeks of hard work then this game is not for me.

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Originally by: Razor Jaxx

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Edited by: Marquedios on 20/04/2004 09:27:25
This dissappoints me really. I was sitting in yulai one night cause a friend called me and asked if I could run to Yulai and try to get to his can cause he had been shot down with this exact same tactic. So I did but of course I was too late and had to sit there and watch as this indy proceeded to loot his left over empty secure cans. But to get on with the story... I saw these guys in action while sitting there bored and thought I'd loot their cans of the cheap missile launchers they dropped after exploding and attempt to blow up the cans before they managed to loot them. I succeeded in emptying the standard ml's they dropped but couldn't pop the cans in time cause my little vigil only has autocannons on and I'd left my cruises in the station a few jumps away. So I run out of ammo attempting to pop the cans with those weak autocannons and proceed to the station to get more ammo. What happens? I start getting convo after convo from these guys for some odd reason then I get the hate mail. Should have saved the mails but one of these guys was asking why I was stealing from them. /me thinks he'll be camping at Yulai when he's bored in his breacher or kestrel just to harrass these guys and give them a taste of their own medicine

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Originally by: Clarence Bo****er

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Why is a thread that accuses us of cheating still around? Not complaining, but it's bad for business.

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On topic:
Why doesnt anybody start up a alt corp to gank gankers?
Or just declare war offcourse and kill the gankers...
just a thought, i would have done it, if i where any better at PvP

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Originally by: Angelhunter

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No, you are bad for business, the business of this game. You are not real pirates or privateers, they really work and hunt for their kills, you are simple griefers who make life hard for everyone else.

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If this corporation is indeed a group of recyclable alts (which their lack of portraits and birth dates would lead you to belive) then there can be no doubt whatsoever that this is cheating.

The reason is simple; There are no consequences for what they are doing. If a normaly player want to do this he could do it precisely 9 times (-.1 for attacking, -.5 for ship destruction), then he would be below -5 and be hunted by concord and be attackable by players. These guys can do this forever if they just keep washing their characters through. All they need are two character slots (1 for using and 1 for training, such that when one drops below -5 he can be deleted and recreated).

The question is what can CCP actually do about this? Can they classify certain types of usage of alts as cheating (which it is) or does this create too much of a grey area?

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No, you are bad for business, the business of this game. You are not real pirates or privateers, they really work and hunt for their kills, you are simple griefers who make life hard for everyone else.

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2. I no longer manufacture any items for sales as this just helps the economy which in turns helps the parasites. Let prices climb to extreme amounts because of these parasites and enough people complain to CCP to stop this LAME game play. I was a major manufacturer in a region only will make items for friends.

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TBH, we only attack choice targets. I dont think a noob wiould have a 100M isk.

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Originally by: Dekar

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Till that time, we simply have to be content that these exploiters will be banned or punished in some form or another.

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Originally by: D1ck Jones

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Can I also add that are we the only ones who think Insurance is completly borked? They bowed to the carebears and now we use it to kill carebears.

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Originally by: Joshua Calvert

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I very much doubt Old Detroit Crime Syndicate will be around in 1 months time. You'll have new alts and a new corp. to play with before then.

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Originally by: Hardin

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Edited by: Hardin on 20/04/2004 22:46:57

PIE INC ANNOUNCEMENT

It has come to our attention that the Old Detroit Crime Syndicate have been carrying out criminal acts a mere single jump from Amarr.

Not only that but they have also destroyed several Amarr pilots undertaking legitimate trade in the process.

PIE Inc. hereby announces that we have initiated a war vote against The Old Detroit Crime Syndicate which hopefully will go live within 24 hrs. We will then engage and destroy ships from the ODCS on sight.

No doubt the Old Detroit Crime Syndicate will dissappear back under whatever stone they crawled from under and will probably set up a new Corporation to avoid the consequences of their actions.

Despite this we felt that 'something' had to be done about these villainous criminals! Please report sightings to us from tomorrow evening.

LONG LIVE THE EMPIRE

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PIE INC ANNOUNCEMENT

It has come to our attention that the Old Detroit Crime Syndicate have been carrying out criminal acts a mere single jump from Amarr.

Not only that but they have also destroyed several Amarr pilots undertaking legitimate trade in the process.

PIE Inc. hereby announces that we have initiated a war vote against The Old Detroit Crime Syndicate which hopefully will go live within 24 hrs. We will then engage and destroy ships from the ODCS on sight.

No doubt the Old Detroit Crime Syndicate will dissappear back under whatever stone they crawled from under and will probably set up a new Corporation to avoid the consequences of their actions.

Despite this we felt that 'something' had to be done about these villainous criminals! Please report sightings to us from tomorrow evening.

LONG LIVE THE EMPIRE

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Originally by: Hamatitio

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Edited by: Hamatitio on 21/04/2004 00:30:18
Ok...now im the last person who should speak out against this as i admit that ive done it before.
But i know how extremely pathetic this is and to make it more fair i used a caracal,So that my losses were worse.
Anyway...You may have lost a few weeks worth of your time but they have lost face, and the fact that they say "You know where to find us" meaning they refuse to leave empire...just makes them look like n00bs (which they are) and sound like the biggest pieces of **** in eve. (Even i hang out in 0.0 90% of the time where ppl that i previously killed can come gank me, and give me a little bit of fun)

Anyway-
Yeah i tried it for one day got enough money to buy a new ship and havent done it since.

Leave empire you pathetic pieces of ****

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Edited by: Hamatitio on 21/04/2004 00:30:18
Ok...now im the last person who should speak out against this as i admit that ive done it before.

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Yes, its expl0iting

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Maybe I'm just scum.

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I think its time to teach thes guys in Old Detroit Crime Syindicate some manors
Now first of all by the way you talk here on the fourms you are kids and its time for your parents to give you a littel asswoppin
Second s that its not funny to hide behind anominus char in a game and be somthing your not and speally being a louad mouth like you guys are.
Like i say you need to learn to show other pepole respec and i like to see som corps binding together and teache you guys.(i bet that if it came to it you would run home crying to moma)

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I think its time to teach thes guys in Old Detroit Crime Syindicate some manors

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Now first of all by the way you talk here on the fourms you are kids and its time for your parents to give you a littel asswoppin

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Second s that its not funny to hide behind anominus char in a game and be somthing your not

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speally being a louad mouth like you guys are.

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Like i say you need to learn to show other pepole respec

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LMAO 3 local hulls is cheap entertainment to see your entire bunch relegated to flying ibis and having so many declarations of war you cant even jump out of Yulai in your Ibis to make a run to the toilet to check your pants. You will be in the poor house so fast you wont have a pot to P*ss in or a window to throw it out of OMG thank you so much had I known this was going to happen I would have gladly parked my interon 5 there with 5 local hulls. Alos wouldnt it be great to know what your main corp really is well its some of the usual suspects I have a feeling they will be thrown out with the trash also. LMAO

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PIE INC ANNOUNCEMENT

It has come to our attention that the Old Detroit Crime Syndicate have been carrying out criminal acts a mere single jump from Amarr.

Not only that but they have also destroyed several Amarr pilots undertaking legitimate trade in the process.

PIE Inc. hereby announces that we have initiated a war vote against The Old Detroit Crime Syndicate which hopefully will go live within 24 hrs. We will then engage and destroy ships from the ODCS on sight.

No doubt the Old Detroit Crime Syndicate will dissappear back under whatever stone they crawled from under and will probably set up a new Corporation to avoid the consequences of their actions.

Despite this we felt that 'something' had to be done about these villainous criminals! Please report sightings to us from tomorrow evening.

LONG LIVE THE EMPIRE

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CCP: Please get rid of all alts now. They are ghey and cause so many problems in this game its just stupid.

I await the inevitable crying and whining from the Eve community with glee

Miso x

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Too bad - buy another account and get it transferred.

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As the aptly named D1ck Jones states it's not an exploit if their ships dies.

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Originally by: Malice Devilbunny

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DING DING DING

WE HAVE A WINNER!

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.

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Actually, it's filled with grammatical/spelling errors, typos and immature behavior. Have you been reading it at all?

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We would like to thank you for cleaning this thread up. On a side note, we feel this entire thread is derogatory and misguided in nature, but, we let the authorites make the decisions and police the games. We salute you!

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.

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Originally by: Eggduck

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PPl who do this trick know they are in such an advantedge that ppl they attack can do nothing about it...

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Here is the deal. We kill carebears. TomB allows to to pod carebears. Infact, we have our own Fight Club hanger.

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First of all: if you are carrying 100Mio in an industrial ask one of your corp member to run convoy in a bs as you are presenting a lovely and tempting target.

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Because having a escort in secure space doesn't mean squat. Escorts cant fire on the rats unless they want to loose their ships to concord and gate guns.

If fired from long range, cms will be picked off by gate guns, or at least mine were a while back, while shooting at a ore thief.

A cool solution would be to give indies a missile launcher slot. As lock time sucks, you would have to use eather fofs or defenders to protect your self.

Anyway in a week, these wannabies will be banned out of highway systems due to the sec status. I bet we wont be hearing from them in a looong time. If they come to 0.0, they are going to get their asses kicked. Simple as that.

Btw, flare i love that crow man , wanna give it to me

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so hows the war going? have any of these 3 or more corps took any of these greifer crew out yet?

gotta love a bunch of guys that buy games just to greif them, and then move on to the next game when it gets boring.

pretty sad, let me guess, you were the geeks that got the smackdown every day in school huh?

oh yes now the time is ripe for us to reap our horrible revenge on the world, they'll rue the day they hung me in my locker by my underwear

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Originally by: Joshua Calvert

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Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 21/04/2004 20:03:47

Originally by: 5nake pliskan

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so hows the war going? have any of these 3 or more corps took any of these greifer crew out yet?

gotta love a bunch of guys that buy games just to greif them, and then move on to the next game when it gets boring.

pretty sad, let me guess, you were the geeks that got the smackdown every day in school huh?

oh yes now the time is ripe for us to reap our horrible revenge on the world, they'll rue the day they hung me in my locker by my underwear

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We just declared war and I think PIE have said they will also.

Edit: Red Bone Corsairs have declared war too.

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Originally by: Leisha Kael

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I have now been made aware of the issue by being a victim, how many others found out about this the hard way? I have now taken steps to try and stop this happening again but it could have been avoided if CCP had a official communication system for these matters

thank you

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Originally by: Clarence Bo****er

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(Unless we're really bored, and someone starts running their mouth in local).

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And on that note, I contacted a GM to get an official word on what we are doing. While I wont post the response, he did say there was nothing explicitly wrong with our actions. Being the nice guy that I am, I gave him some good tips on how to make this a bit more balanced.

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Originally by: Pychian Vanervi

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...neither is an exploit but can give a large advantage using game mechanics in a way not realy designed for.

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The common definition of an exploit is ôto use the game mechanics in such a way as they were not intended for the purpose of gaining an unfair advantage over other players.ö

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.

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Originally by: 5nake pliskan

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so hows the war going? have any of these 3 or more corps took any of these greifer crew out yet?

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