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Asiel
The Baby Sitters
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Posted - 2008.06.12 10:05:00 -
[91]
 Originally by: Juana Morlaine
Edited by: Juana Morlaine on 12/06/2008 09:20:25
Real fun - players can not run these plexes, since people who live there run them faster and more efficient or... prevent foreigners from running it. To back it up, ppl in here claim that the others are farming and/or are Russians and/or are one guy pro farmers and/or... All that leads to... "remove Overseer", "remove deadspace loot", "stops drug business",...
WTF?
Pricing on A-Type and B-Type items look plain fine - drug bpc pricing also. You guys are simply jealous and greedy bastards. How about conquering the constellations where those spawn? You can not solve it ingame - you lack the balls and patience to do so - why dont you just leave?`
You my dear lady, shouldnt be calling people quite bad names in an open forum in which people can discust the topic of their choise whatever their opinion is.
And btw you having to react in this stereotypical way gives me reason to think that you are angry because you think indeed ccp might do something about it in the end because you know the mechanics suck,
although i have doubts that you actually really live/have lived in or near these places and you'r just trolling
Bye dear gl luck with the attitude problem
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Asiel
The Baby Sitters
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Posted - 2008.06.12 10:42:00 -
[92]
And the point in changing the mechanics into common exploration : statistically you would still end up with the same amounts of drug bpc's and a-type loot in game, just not in hands of only a few groups or alliance's or even single players as is sugested aswell, but giving people all over eve a chance to hit it big and be able to produce drugs.
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Juana Morlaine
Art of War
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.06.12 11:18:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Yeah. What was wrong with 10/10 plexes respawning every hour? I mean: prices were balanced and people could solve problems ingame.
They respawned every 12 hours before - they respawn instantly now. Go out, find them. Same here - if you lack ability and patience - how about whining somewhere else?
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Juana Morlaine
Art of War
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.06.12 11:27:00 -
[94]
Edited by: Juana Morlaine on 12/06/2008 11:27:45
Originally by: Asiel
You my dear lady, shouldnt be calling people quite bad names in an open forum in which people can discust the topic of their choise whatever their opinion is.
And btw you having to react in this stereotypical way gives me reason to think that you are angry because you think indeed ccp might do something about it in the end because you know the mechanics suck,
although i have doubts that you actually really live/have lived in or near these places and you'r just trolling
Bye dear gl luck with the attitude problem
Dear Asiel,
I read your statement with a faint dose of humor. Something which is definitly needed. I am not calling someone names. I explicitly called the people trying to solve this out of game: "greedy bastards". But I now realize, I was wrong: let me elaborate on this. Someone who wants to have it the easy way, but who can not tries to remove it for others. Others, who put time and effort into this to be able to run this plex. There is a name for these specific reasons. The first is jealousy and the second name is greed. Also these people - esspecially in this thread also - do behave asocial, by trying to sound reasonable but yet again all of it is based on jealousy and greed as mentioned before. Also those people are not up for direct confrontation since direct confrontation conflicts with "doing it the easy way". Those people are called "bastards" (acting as if being nice in front, but behaving asocial in reality).
Putting these together, I call those people: "jealous, greedy bastards". Thank you for correcting me. In case you do have a problem in me naming thigns and people by their respective name, I wholeheartly invite you to correct me again.
Have at thee
Juana
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Phyrr
The Gosimer and Scarab
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Posted - 2008.06.12 11:44:00 -
[95]
These plexes need a nerf. I've run them extensively in the past, It is anti-exploration. Explorers don't farm. These plexes need to start escalating and send you xyz jumps to lala land. Anyone who disagrees is gonna be disappointed when this happens. I am pretty certain that most explorers find this a little disturbing, I did myself while running them in the early days of exploration.
There are threads made by people running these everyday who agree it's gotta be nerfed.
Join us in the Exploration channel.
The odds on me being here are rather slim evolutionary speaking, yet in the infinite bounds of probability my being here is a certainty. |
Deva Blackfire
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.06.12 13:29:00 -
[96]
Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 12/06/2008 13:30:51
Originally by: Juana Morlaine
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Yeah. What was wrong with 10/10 plexes respawning every hour? I mean: prices were balanced and people could solve problems ingame.
They respawned every 12 hours before - they respawn instantly now. Go out, find them. Same here - if you lack ability and patience - how about whining somewhere else?
Uh? I think you missed about 1 month time when 10/10 plexes were respawning each HOUR not 12 hours. Also 10/10 plexes do respawn instantly - but not within 3-5 jumps from place they were.
Also FYI i did manage to nab those Digital plexes and if i wanted to i could EASILY join group that is farming them right now. You know why i wont do this? Because i dislike farming and unbalanced stuff. Other than that its as easy as moving my ship/s 10-15 jumps away. So STFU if you dont have a clue.
EDIT:
also i agree with guy above. Its not even close to "exploration" when you can be sure same thing will spawn in same place everytime. Its just plain old farming.
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Juana Morlaine
Art of War
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.06.12 14:06:00 -
[97]
Edited by: Juana Morlaine on 12/06/2008 14:08:06
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Uh? I think you missed about 1 month time when 10/10 plexes were respawning each HOUR not 12 hours. Also 10/10 plexes do respawn instantly - but not within 3-5 jumps from place they were.
You are right, I apparently really missed that time.
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Also FYI i did manage to nab those Digital plexes and if i wanted to i could EASILY join group that is farming them right now. You know why i wont do this? Because i dislike farming and unbalanced stuff. Other than that its as easy as moving my ship/s 10-15 jumps away. So STFU if you dont have a clue.
What is farming? The ones who do exploration 23/7? People who do exploration 23/7 only looking for Radar in 0.0? People who do exploration 23/7 only looking for Unknown in lowsec? People who do exploration looking for Cosmos plex in Cosmos constellations?
Thinking about your post, I ocnsider your view heavily biased. In fact I doubt you could go to a Cosmos plex anytime you wanted to.
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
also i agree with guy above. Its not even close to "exploration" when you can be sure same thing will spawn in same place everytime. Its just plain old farming.
1. It does not spawn in the same place everytime.
2. None actually knows, if and which sites spawn within constellation, region or sovereignity. Just because you know it for these Cosmos, does not include those are the only ones.
3. Stating it is that easy makes you look like a fool. I gladly elaborate on this statement: Firstly sites spawn randomly all the time, including new Radar sites. Secondly these sites are harder to find than 4/10 and 6/10 in lowsec. Thirdly - even at maximum skills with all implants the time to find a site after a quest hit might be 10-15 minutes at decent skills. But the time needed for a Quest hit is on average much higher. Even with a triple bubble layout, the chance for a hit is below 15%, average at 5% - 7.5%. So you actually need to do exploration.
Putting these points together prooves my previous point. Wrong claims make you look like a fool.
Yours
Juana |
Deva Blackfire
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.06.12 14:26:00 -
[98]
1. they spawn within same constellation = around 5 systems to check.
2. almost noone cares about sites which cant be farmed 24/7. tell me who will run around searching for 10/10 plexes scanning whole regions when he can sit in ONE constellation and get SURE plex which drops 9/10 loot yet having 5/10 difficulty.
And the "noone knows which spawn and where"... wrong. After 100's (tho its getting closer to 1000's now) scans you can start to get info what spawns where. Its all about statistics.
3. It is easy unless you dont have brain and try to make it harder. And even if you hit "normal" radar site you can clear it within 5 minutes thus removing "false" signature. Also when you are blocking plex what else is there to do?
And having "sit there, repeat scan click" is not exploration. Otherwise you can call mining exploration because both need same amount of skill (after you have probe placement developed).
And saying that "everything is fine, im farming it allright" doesnt mean everything is fine. |
Juana Morlaine
Art of War
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.06.12 15:08:00 -
[99]
Edited by: Juana Morlaine on 12/06/2008 15:08:57
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
1. they spawn within same constellation = around 5 systems to check.
2. almost noone cares about sites which cant be farmed 24/7. tell me who will run around searching for 10/10 plexes scanning whole regions when he can sit in ONE constellation and get SURE plex which drops 9/10 loot yet having 5/10 difficulty.
And the "noone knows which spawn and where"... wrong. After 100's (tho its getting closer to 1000's now) scans you can start to get info what spawns where. Its all about statistics.
3. It is easy unless you dont have brain and try to make it harder. And even if you hit "normal" radar site you can clear it within 5 minutes thus removing "false" signature. Also when you are blocking plex what else is there to do?
And having "sit there, repeat scan click" is not exploration. Otherwise you can call mining exploration because both need same amount of skill (after you have probe placement developed).
And saying that "everything is fine, im farming it allright" doesnt mean everything is fine.
You took the chance to ignore some major points.
1. Radar sites in 0.0 are easily farmable. The average Radar in 0.0 yields something around 20 Mill - 900 Mill a run - based on chance for base 3 and base 4 sites. Actually those are easier and faster to find than said Cosmos plex. Also considering that the desert space ship or mainframe sites are extremly common here.
2. Unknown sites in lowsec are easily farmable too. I refrain from details here, but when smart - one can easily net 50 Mill - 900 Mill a run over several stages.
3. Said Cosmos plex has a "stupid" drop rate, which is more like: 30-40 % no drop, 20 - 50 % stupid crap drops and rest a decent drop. As a result the Cosmos nets something along the line of 40Mill - 500 Mill a run (depending on stuff and plex type). Only exception here are Gist drops, which are on high demand by players (where for Gist the revenue is much higher).
One either calls all the above farming or none of each. Picking just one is a biased view and imho unacceptable for constructive suggestions.
Putting these together I do feel the Cosmos is inline, the only difference being: it favors the players having sovereignity. Considering all that I feel that greed and jealousy drives players for weird postings here. Greed and jealousy is something I heavily oppose in a game which is based on a cooperative player base.
Juana
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Asiel
The Baby Sitters
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Posted - 2008.06.12 16:24:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Juana Morlaine
Edited by: Juana Morlaine on 12/06/2008 15:08:57
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
1. they spawn within same constellation = around 5 systems to check.
2. almost noone cares about sites which cant be farmed 24/7. tell me who will run around searching for 10/10 plexes scanning whole regions when he can sit in ONE constellation and get SURE plex which drops 9/10 loot yet having 5/10 difficulty.
And the "noone knows which spawn and where"... wrong. After 100's (tho its getting closer to 1000's now) scans you can start to get info what spawns where. Its all about statistics.
3. It is easy unless you dont have brain and try to make it harder. And even if you hit "normal" radar site you can clear it within 5 minutes thus removing "false" signature. Also when you are blocking plex what else is there to do?
And having "sit there, repeat scan click" is not exploration. Otherwise you can call mining exploration because both need same amount of skill (after you have probe placement developed).
And saying that "everything is fine, im farming it allright" doesnt mean everything is fine.
You took the chance to ignore some major points.
1. Radar sites in 0.0 are easily farmable. The average Radar in 0.0 yields something around 20 Mill - 900 Mill a run - based on chance for base 3 and base 4 sites. Actually those are easier and faster to find than said Cosmos plex. Also considering that the desert space ship or mainframe sites are extremly common here.
2. Unknown sites in lowsec are easily farmable too. I refrain from details here, but when smart - one can easily net 50 Mill - 900 Mill a run over several stages.
3. Said Cosmos plex has a "stupid" drop rate, which is more like: 30-40 % no drop, 20 - 50 % stupid crap drops and rest a decent drop. As a result the Cosmos nets something along the line of 40Mill - 500 Mill a run (depending on stuff and plex type). Only exception here are Gist drops, which are on high demand by players (where for Gist the revenue is much higher).
One either calls all the above farming or none of each. Picking just one is a biased view and imho unacceptable for constructive suggestions.
Putting these together I do feel the Cosmos is inline, the only difference being: it favors the players having sovereignity. Considering all that I feel that greed and jealousy drives players for weird postings here. Greed and jealousy is something I heavily oppose in a game which is based on a cooperative player base.
Juana
im not trying to remove it for others in fact im trying to get it acsesable for the whole the 0.0 population, and in matters of greed, you dont see me sitting in a cosmos plex cloaked 23/7 altho i could.
I've seen it, done it and found it could be improved, sorry for having an opinion of my own which i think you lack and being narrow minded as you are i think you overlook the point that its prolly your own greed that gets you so upset that you should be judging whoever is a basterd or not
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Juana Morlaine
Art of War
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.06.12 16:59:00 -
[101]
Edited by: Juana Morlaine on 12/06/2008 17:00:01
Dear Asiel,
trying to blur facts might work with others - unfortunately not with me. Cheap attempt from your side. That said, let us look at your post:
Originally by: Asiel
im not trying to remove it for others in fact im trying to get it acsesable for the whole the 0.0 population
It is accessible for all - not even limited to 0.0 population. Claiming different is a blatant lie.
Originally by: Asiel
in matters of greed, you dont see me sitting in a cosmos plex cloaked 23/7 altho i could.
1. CCP stated several times that afk cloaked camping is a viable ingame tactic. As much as some hate it - the same I did hate it when faced with it. It is the way it is.
2. There is a way around, which needs dedication that easy.
3. greed has nothing to do with afk cloak camping. Putting those two together prooves that you got no clue on what is going on.
Originally by: Asiel
I've seen it, done it and found it could be improved, sorry for having an opinion of my own which i think you lack and being narrow minded
Well if you could actually read and comprehend (mark me both at once) you would realize my beforementioned examples. You instead behave narrow minded, focused on the Cosmos plex. Additionally it seems that this topic makes you feel emo esspecially when reading my posts. In fact you reassured me, that I aim at the right ones when talking about "jealous greedy bastards". This esspecially includes you.
Let us assume you were not. In that case you could reflect on 0.0 radar sites and lowsec unknowns which I mentioned as an example before. Instead there are only these Cosmos pelxes; making you look with jealousy at those who put time and effort into it to be able to run it. If you want to change something make it within its context and reasonable - but wait: that is not what you are looking for.
Others do something where you are not willing to put time and effort into doing it yourself. JFK said: "we climb the moon not because it is easy but because it is hard". For you it needs to be easy without any respect for the time and effort others put into it - which exists even though you dont see it.
Your general attitude is disgusting and thus I wholeheartly include you in my statement about greed, jealousy and bastards.
Have at thee.
Juana |
Deva Blackfire
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.06.12 17:16:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Juana Morlaine
3. Said Cosmos plex has a "stupid" drop rate, which is more like: 30-40 % no drop, 20 - 50 % stupid crap drops and rest a decent drop. As a result the Cosmos nets something along the line of 40Mill - 500 Mill a run (depending on stuff and plex type). Only exception here are Gist drops, which are on high demand by players (where for Gist the revenue is much higher).
WTS:
8x Pith A-type Shield Boost Amplifier
4x Pith A-type X-Large Shield Booster
5x Pith A-type Large Shield Booster
Pith A-type hardeners - you want them in packages? because i dont have time to sell each one separately.
2 weeks with 2-3 runs per day. Total around 6bil. Not bad for 15-20 runs. But as you say: they are bad and worthless and PERFECTLY balanced.
Btw: wtb another plex location, who needs dyspo moons nowadays. |
Emeline Cabernet
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.12 17:17:00 -
[103]
Edited by: Emeline Cabernet on 12/06/2008 17:17:50
"Well if you could actually read and comprehend"
This is a joke right? As you, Juana, completely missed what he is saying. COMPLETELY.
And if you cant see that this plex is broken then you are even more ******** then i first thought.
ban 07's |
Juana Morlaine
Art of War
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.06.12 17:25:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
WTS:
8x Pith A-type Shield Boost Amplifier
4x Pith A-type X-Large Shield Booster
5x Pith A-type Large Shield Booster
Pith A-type hardeners - you want them in packages? because i dont have time to sell each one separately.
2 weeks with 2-3 runs per day. Total around 6bil. Not bad for 15-20 runs. But as you say: they are bad and worthless and PERFECTLY balanced.
Btw: wtb another plex location, who needs dyspo moons nowadays.
Nothing on market by you. Maybe a mysterious alt you didnt mention? You Sir: either back it up - or just be shown to all who you are.
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Juana Morlaine
Art of War
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.06.12 17:28:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Emeline Cabernet
Edited by: Emeline Cabernet on 12/06/2008 17:17:50
"Well if you could actually read and comprehend"
This is a joke right? As you, Juana, completely missed what he is saying. COMPLETELY.
And if you cant see that this plex is broken then you are even more ******** then i first thought.
ban 07's
I fail to find any new addition to this thread by you. Why so emo? So jealous? Greed eats you from within? |
Asiel
The Baby Sitters
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Posted - 2008.06.12 17:51:00 -
[106]
rofl juana, did your older brother open this account for you or what ?
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Juana Morlaine
Art of War
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.06.12 18:02:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Asiel
rofl juana, did your older brother open this account for you or what ?
Just because I do not believe everythign someone says on boards? Like on CAOD? It is on CAOD thus its true?
If you cant argue - why are you here?
Juana
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Asiel
The Baby Sitters
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Posted - 2008.06.12 18:08:00 -
[108]
Edited by: Asiel on 12/06/2008 18:11:25
Originally by: Juana Morlaine
Originally by: Asiel
rofl juana, did your older brother open this account for you or what ?
Just because I do not believe everythign someone says on boards? Like on CAOD? It is on CAOD thus its true?
If you cant argue - why are you here?
Juana
no not because of that, just the way you reason its starting to be amusing.
and yes sure you can argue i bet you argue all the time.
just be nice to the baby sitter tonight :)
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Juana Morlaine
Art of War
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.06.12 18:21:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Asiel
no not because of that, just the way you reason its starting to be amusing.
and yes sure you can argue i bet you argue all the time.
just be nice to the baby sitter tonight :)
Only just because I name things by its real name? I mean cmon: if it is laying on the ground, is brown, warm,.... it got a name - why not use it? If people in an environment which is meant to be cooperative behave contraproductive: why not call them by the name of what they do? Just because it is not nice to state the truth?
They say: you can offer the truth to people like some medicine on a spoon with honey, but you can also hit it in someone elses face like a wet towel. Just because I prefer the wet towel does not turn the truth into a lie. That easy.
That said - the reason for the op to start this was apaprently frustration - being unable to run those plexes since others were more dedicated. A reason to enrage others to voice his anger and hopefully change something.
I say: if you are not willing to invest time and be dedicated, then you do not deserve to run these plexes. In fact it is not easy at all - due to other players - .
There is still WoW though...
Juana
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Asiel
The Baby Sitters
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Posted - 2008.06.12 18:25:00 -
[110]
"trying to blur facts might work with others - unfortunately not with me. Cheap attempt from your side."
give it up Juana go back to school |
Deva Blackfire
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.06.12 18:45:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Juana Morlaine
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
WTS:
8x Pith A-type Shield Boost Amplifier
4x Pith A-type X-Large Shield Booster
5x Pith A-type Large Shield Booster
Pith A-type hardeners - you want them in packages? because i dont have time to sell each one separately.
2 weeks with 2-3 runs per day. Total around 6bil. Not bad for 15-20 runs. But as you say: they are bad and worthless and PERFECTLY balanced.
Btw: wtb another plex location, who needs dyspo moons nowadays.
Nothing on market by you. Maybe a mysterious alt you didnt mention? You Sir: either back it up - or just be shown to all who you are.
Why should i flood market (escrow) like all stupid newbs? There are other means of selling mods - directly to people who need em. You want some? Just convo ingame. If no - then buzz off and dont bother me.
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Juana Morlaine
Art of War
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.06.12 18:51:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Why should i flood market (escrow) like all stupid newbs? There are other means of selling mods - directly to people who need em. You want some? Just convo ingame. If no - then buzz off and dont bother me.
Put them on auction for all to see. Not a single on on auction. Do not lie to me, since I realize when you do. Your attitude is what I oppose too.
Juana
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Asiel
The Baby Sitters
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Posted - 2008.06.12 18:54:00 -
[113]
Edited by: Asiel on 12/06/2008 18:54:41
Jealousy ?
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.06.12 18:57:00 -
[114]
Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 12/06/2008 18:58:50
Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 12/06/2008 18:58:04
Originally by: Asiel
Edited by: Asiel on 12/06/2008 18:54:41
Jealousy ?
Seems so. Pretty much: if he wants items he can convo and ill sell. If he doesnt want - i cba to put it for him on view so he can be "fulfilled forum warrior".
EDIT:
oh yea - i should be ingame at around 22-24 eve time. Othet than that you can always mail.
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Juana Morlaine
Art of War
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.06.12 19:33:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Asiel
Edited by: Asiel on 12/06/2008 18:54:41
Jealousy ?
As you might imagine from my post I am very jealous on all COSMOS plex runners. I am very pretty purrrty much.
Yours
Juana
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Juana Morlaine
Art of War
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.06.12 19:42:00 -
[116]
Edited by: Juana Morlaine on 12/06/2008 19:43:04
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 12/06/2008 18:58:50
Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 12/06/2008 18:58:04
Originally by: Asiel
Edited by: Asiel on 12/06/2008 18:54:41
Jealousy ?
Seems so. Pretty much: if he wants items he can convo and ill sell. If he doesnt want - i cba to put it for him on view so he can be "fulfilled forum warrior".
EDIT:
oh yea - i should be ingame at around 22-24 eve time. Othet than that you can always mail.
You gloat about it, acting as if - contrary to you I dont need that kind of attention whoring. No matter if you can or not. Anyways - thanks for the info that the Venal/Tenal site needs caring ;)
Cya in space
Juana
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Asiel
The Baby Sitters
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Posted - 2008.06.12 19:42:00 -
[117]
"Put them on auction for all to see. Not a single on on auction. Do not lie to me,"
greed ?
continue and you might find you fit "my statement about greed, jealousy and bastards."
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Juana Morlaine
Art of War
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.06.12 19:45:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Asiel
"Put them on auction for all to see. Not a single on on auction. Do not lie to me,"
greed ?
continue and you might find you fit "my statement about greed, jealousy and bastards."
Disbelief in someone trying to look veritable as if?
Its on CAOD thus its true...?
Juana
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.06.12 20:48:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Juana Morlaine
You gloat about it, acting as if - contrary to you I dont need that kind of attention whoring. No matter if you can or not. Anyways - thanks for the info that the Venal/Tenal site needs caring ;)
Venal has no farmable sites
Tenal is farmed by 1 russky atm i think - so easy to compete there (and lol @ razor - "those plexes dont give any isk", hi Kuso)
Vale is overcrowded
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Ruddger
Omen Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.06.13 03:30:00 -
[120]
Edited by: Ruddger on 13/06/2008 03:32:29
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Venal has no farmable sites
Tenal is farmed by 1 russky atm i think - so easy to compete there (and lol @ razor - "those plexes dont give any isk", hi Kuso)
Vale is overcrowded
And Juana now has a station 9 jumps from the Pegasus digital plex. Sorry though Juana that one only drops B types which are much harder to sell.
And Woman Scorned / Tamanier + Blanca / Deadra have dibs.
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