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Juana Morlaine Art of War Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.06.13 07:50:00 - [121] Originally by: Ruddger And Juana now has a station 9 jumps from the Pegasus digital plex. Sorry though Juana that one only drops B types which are much harder to sell. And Woman Scorned / Tamanier + Blanca / Deadra have dibs. 1. I am one jump from it, not 9. Get your info straight. 2. Pegasus is only one of ... I visit. If you want to spew information do it right or do not bother at all.
Phyrr The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2008.06.13 11:06:00 - [122] Edited by: Phyrr on 13/06/2008 11:08:09 Originally by: Juana Morlaine Originally by: Asiel "Put them on auction for all to see. Not a single on on auction. Do not lie to me," greed ? continue and you might find you fit "my statement about greed, jealousy and bastards." Disbelief in someone trying to look veritable as if? Its on CAOD thus its true...? Juana You are just inflammatory and defensive give it up and discuss the topic. If you were right you wouldn't need to degrade into flaming others. The plexes will get nerfed, if you can't see it then you are blind. Your point on "conquering" them was what was said by people of your view on static DED's and look where they went... From RP point of view, why would rats stay in the same constellation if they get owned every day. Expect these sites to move to escalation. I'll put isk on it. Better start looking for another form of farmable income, I hear Jita is good this time of year, best part is you don't even have to undock. Join us in the Exploration channel. The odds on me being here are rather slim evolutionary speaking, yet in the infinite bounds of probability my being here is a certainty.
Ruddger Omen Incorporated	Posted - 2008.06.13 11:27:00 - [123] Originally by: Juana Morlaine Originally by: Ruddger And Juana now has a station 9 jumps from the Pegasus digital plex. Sorry though Juana that one only drops B types which are much harder to sell. And Woman Scorned / Tamanier + Blanca / Deadra have dibs. 1. I am one jump from it, not 9. Get your info straight. 2. Pegasus is only one of ... I visit. If you want to spew information do it right or do not bother at all. That PL may have given you docking rights is very nice for you, but the CI station, 7BX, is how many jumps from Pegasus? That you visit many ... certainly takes the bias out of your, I suppose we can call it an argument. But the angry kid approach works for you, so run with it.
Juana Morlaine Art of War Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.06.13 13:12:00 - [124] Originally by: Phyrr You are just inflammatory and defensive give it up and discuss the topic. Boy, I might be alot but for sure not defensive. You do not even know the meaning of the words you are using. If you try to flame someone do it right or be burned while trying. Originally by: Phyrr If you were right you wouldn't need to degrade into flaming others. Since you apparently lack the patience to read I write it just for you: I do not need to flame. I just call thigns by their respective name. Your name is "Troll". Up to this point you did not bring any numbers, nor arguments about the topic. Something I did - I guess you do not see a pattern in your very own posting. Hence the name Troll. Originally by: Phyrr The plexes will get nerfed, if you can't see it then you are blind. Boy, I missed those patch notes. Not everythign you dream of is real. Mark me: there is a difference. Originally by: Phyrr Your point on "conquering" them was what was said by people of your view on static DED's and look where they went... Boy, you are interpreting stuff that happened and mixed it with stuff written on this forum by players as well as with your own opinion. See a pattern Troll? Just for you: even DED plexes respawn immediatly now. From current observation they are tied to at least sovereignity and more likely even region. thus someone conquering a region most likely did the same with the DED pelxes spawning there. So I can look at where they went - you did not boy, didnt you? Originally by: Phyrr From RP point of view, why would rats stay in the same constellation if they get owned every day. Expect these sites to move to escalation. I'll put isk on it. Boy if you lack arguments (I still fail to see arguments worth a cent by you so far) - you now need to stress your idea of RP? Reality check? These forums are not your wet dreams come true. Go troll forth in your cage - over there. Originally by: Phyrr Better start looking for another form of farmable income, I hear Jita is good this time of year, best part is you don't even have to undock. Boy - who left your Troll cage door open? Didnt find food? Go back - gogogoooo. The Troll is strong in you - come back when you found an argument somewhere. You might identify those by reason. Have at thee Yours Juana
Juana Morlaine Art of War Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.06.13 13:23:00 - [125] Apart from the Troll and some attempts at flaming is anyone in here for sane reasoning? Back to the points I raised: 1. 0.0 Radar exploration is as profitable if not more in isk/hour than these Cosmos plexes 2. lowsec Unkown exploration is as profitable if not more in isk/hour than these Cosmos plexes 3. if you got familiar with 0.0 unknown exploration it will be by far more profitable for a duo of two players than these Cosmos plexes. I even gave numbers, somethign which none in here cared about. In my book this is an extremly narrow-minded view. A view focused on Deadspace items perceived as easily obtainable - which they are not (aka Cosmos plex). Even if you got alot of those, you can not even sell those in masses. A point which has not been raised either. To me this general attitude of posters in here prooves my point - about some players just beeing greedy, jealous and well - bastards. Terms I elaborated on before. Anyone up for some sane discussion now? Yours Juana
Ruddger Omen Incorporated	Posted - 2008.06.13 13:49:00 - [126] Originally by: Juana Morlaine Apart from the Troll and some attempts at flaming is anyone in here for sane reasoning? Back to the points I raised: 1. 0.0 Radar exploration is as profitable if not more in isk/hour than these Cosmos plexes 2. lowsec Unkown exploration is as profitable if not more in isk/hour than these Cosmos plexes 3. if you got familiar with 0.0 unknown exploration it will be by far more profitable for a duo of two players than these Cosmos plexes. 1. Proof? Numbers? Time vs profits? 2. Proof? Seriously, I don't even need proof, just a taste of anything to back this claim up. 3. I'm not sure what you are saying here. Quote: I even gave numbers, somethign which none in here cared about. In my book this is an extremly narrow-minded view. A view focused on Deadspace items perceived as easily obtainable - which they are not (aka Cosmos plex). Even if you got alot of those, you can not even sell those in masses. A point which has not been raised either. No, you made up a bunch of numbers. Once. Completely unsupported by anything. Quote: To me this general attitude of posters in here prooves my point - about some players just beeing greedy, jealous and well - bastards. Terms I elaborated on before. Anyone up for some sane discussion now? Yours Juana The language that you use and have used only reflects on your self. You have yet to discuss anything. I'd refer you back to your first post in this thread as its indicative of your attitude and ability.
Juana Morlaine Art of War Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.06.13 14:04:00 - [127] Edited by: Juana Morlaine on 13/06/2008 14:04:07 Originally by: Ruddger The language that you use <snipped babble of someone who apparently never did exploration> Originally by: Juana Morlaine Anyone up for some sane discussion now? Boy I know it is difficult, but that invitation on a discussion explicitly did not include you - hush - cage over there.
Deva Blackfire D00M.	Posted - 2008.06.13 14:07:00 - [128] Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 13/06/2008 14:09:19 Quote: 1. 0.0 Radar exploration is as profitable if not more in isk/hour than these Cosmos plexes 2. lowsec Unkown exploration is as profitable if not more in isk/hour than these Cosmos plexes 3. if you got familiar with 0.0 unknown exploration it will be by far more profitable for a duo of two players than these Cosmos plexes. 1. no, radars can barely get you 500mil isk IF you are VERY lucky. And then said radar plex will NOT give you enough components to build all 4-5 runs of ship interfaces. Plus dream on - interfaces are still rare enough and with similiar drop ratio to cosmos plex. 2. no, because lowsec unknowns dont respawn within same area constantly. They do move around whole lowsec so it is possible to clear entirely one region thus ya need to move to another region 3. no, because they take much more time. To run one expedition you need as much time as its needed to run 4-6 digital plexes. Even with "poor drop ratio" as you say (which is around 60% compared to around 30% for 10/10 DED) its much better than ANY expedition. Numbers please if you think its otherwise. EDIT: and the only troll here is you FYI. You never managed to state any facts just random speculations w/o any confirmation.
Alexa Violet Doom Generation	Posted - 2008.06.13 14:09:00 - [129] Originally by: Juana Morlaine 1. 0.0 Radar exploration is as profitable if not more in isk/hour than these Cosmos plexes 2. lowsec Unknown exploration is as profitable if not more in isk/hour than these Cosmos plexes 3. if you got familiar with 0.0 unknown exploration it will be by far more profitable for a duo of two players than these Cosmos plexes. Why aren't you doing 0.0 radar exploration or unknown exploration then if it is by far more profitable? Don't tell me that running the same plex for the 1204025215th time is fun. Also, how one earns 900 mil from a single radar plex is beyond me, it was possible back then when ship interfaces were selling for 500+ mil, but now? Farming unknown plexes in low sec is possible how? One may or may not find a 6/10 plex and thats it and can scan for a whole day, on the other hand you know for sure you will find one specific plex in cosmos const. Then you have expeditions, which can give some reward, but takes quite some time, so definitely not bringing same or better isk/hour, because of the time it takes for one to complete. Same stands for 0.0 exploration except there is a chance for higher lvl DED plexes and expeditions, but those again take a lot more time to complete than that cosmos plex. Then i ask you again, why are you doing that same cosmos plex over and over again, if all those other options you listed offer better isk/hour profitability? Best Regards
Juana Morlaine Art of War Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.06.13 14:42:00 - [130] Edited by: Juana Morlaine on 13/06/2008 14:43:46 Edited by: Juana Morlaine on 13/06/2008 14:42:36 Originally by: Deva Blackfire 1. no, radars can barely get you 500mil isk IF you are VERY lucky. And then said radar plex will NOT give you enough components to build all 4-5 runs of ship interfaces. Plus dream on - interfaces are still rare enough and with similiar drop ratio to cosmos plex. In response to you: - Over the past few weeks I am at an average of 1 ship interface for each two radar sites - base 3 and base 4 are easier to find than the Cosmos radar (sig str) - Radar in 0.0 are in general not contested by players As a matter of fact you can run a lot more Radar plexes on average than the Cosmos. Originally by: Deva Blackfire 2. no, because lowsec unknowns dont respawn within same area constantly. They do move around whole lowsec so it is possible to clear entirely one region thus ya need to move to another region In response to yours: - first of all I never saw a region empty of a specific type of signatures. So far I only saw constellations cleaned of signatures. Up until now overall stand in exploration channel is: We do not know if signatures are tied to sovereignity, regions or several constellations. Only for Cosmos Radar it is well known. If it is true that one can empty a whole region, the exploration community would love to know for sure. But I highly doubt it, since chances are also slim to achieve it - even if true. Thus I dispute your point here. - it is well known that specific lowsec constellations are "rich" in regards to amount of signatures. - lowsec unknwon signatures of interest range from 0.11 - 0.36 signature strength on quests on decent skills and implants. That is - for the best ones - already more than twice to chance to find those comapred to Cosmos radar. Effectively resulting in the chance to hit them in less than 50% of the time you need on Cosmos plexes. - lowsec unknowns are not tied to specific types in regards to decent drops. It is a: if it is not a drone site, you got decent isk ahead. Thus you do not need to look for DED plexes or specific signatures - no drone and you will find faction and deadspace mobs. Drop rate is similar to the Cosmos plexes. - in more than 50% of the cases drone plexes in a system "hide" a non-drone unknown signature. Thus even the time spent on tracking a drone plex is not lost either. As a matter of fact I dispute your "No". Originally by: Deva Blackfire 3. no, because they take much more time. To run one expedition you need as much time as its needed to run 4-6 digital plexes. Even with "poor drop ratio" as you say (which is around 60% compared to around 30% for 10/10 DED) its much better than ANY expedition. You missed to mention additional information: - not each drop is of as much value in Cosmos as your 60% suggests. - I highly doubt that drop rate in DED are different from the Cosmos. Simply since Overseer = Overseer. To the system it doesnt matter if it sits in a Cosmos or non-Cosmos plex. You know it - I know it. - in regards to scan unknowns in 0.0: I am not willing to offer a cooking recipe here. I mentioned it simply since those who do them know what I refer to. - You comparing the time to run a Cosmos plex to scan time of an unknown is probably a mistake. Simply since you need to scan those Cosmos plexes too. Let us have a look: 5-8 solar systems results in an average of 4 systems to scan to find the site. Does one find an unknown in 0.0 in at least one out of 4 systems? My experience says yes. Is the sig strength so much different from the Cosmos plexes? In general: yes - except DED 8/10 and 10/10 the unknown sigs in 0.0 tend to be higher in 0.0, thus faster to track down. We could go on, but admittedly unknown 0.0 sites are hard to have a positive time vs isk ratio compared to the Cosmos plex, unless you know exactly what and how you do it. Whereas the "how to" is way mroe difficult than the Cosmos plex. Questions?
Juana Morlaine Art of War Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.06.13 14:56:00 - [131] Edited by: Juana Morlaine on 13/06/2008 14:58:14 Dear Alexa, I am sorry but I do have the impression that your experience here is existant but limited. That said let me elaborate on your post: Originally by: Alexa Violet Why aren't you doing 0.0 radar exploration or unknown exploration then if it is by far more profitable? Don't tell me that running the same plex for the 1204025215th time is fun. In fact I do them all. Cosmos plex, 0.0 Radar and lowsec unknown (edit: by mistake I had 0.0 unkown written here - in fact I do not care for 0.0 unknown right now since I lack a partner. I do however run loads of lowsec unknowns). It might be puzzling for you on how I do it, but rest be assured I do and have rewards from all of those. Additionally it bothers me for you referign to me running that specific plex. It leaves a taste of you fingerpointing at me: she (Juana) farms the plex, I (Alexa) do not - nerf it. It is the attitude in general, which I oppose, since it suggests greed and jealousy on your side. Please tell if I am mistaken. In regards to fun: before I do lvl 4 or lvl 5 missions, I gladly do the Cosmos plex 2 days in a row without sleep or shoot 5 large POSs for 2 days nonstop. Originally by: Alexa Violet Also, how one earns 900 mil from a single radar plex is beyond me, it was possible back then when ship interfaces were selling for 500+ mil, but now? 900 mill is an extraordinary drop, which in fact is rare. It is not only ship interfaces which drop and which are of worth in spawn containers. And you are right: 900mill drops on one site are not on average at all - far from it. If I left that impression, I beg your pardon and hope I was able to correct this. Originally by: Alexa Violet Farming unknown plexes in low sec is possible how? One may or may not find a 6/10 plex and thats it and can scan for a whole day, <snip> Breaking news: overssers do not only spawn in DED plexes. They will spawn in EVERY single escalation path if you jsut do them fast enough. Huh? Didnt know? Now you know ;) Originally by: Alexa Violet Then i ask you again, why are you doing that same cosmos plex over and over again, if all those other options you listed offer better isk/hour profitability? As stated before I do them all ;) And in fact I do PvP also. Weird isnt it? Yours most kindly Juana
Deva Blackfire D00M.	Posted - 2008.06.13 15:13:00 - [132] Quote: - I highly doubt that drop rate in DED are different from the Cosmos. Simply since Overseer = Overseer. To the system it doesnt matter if it sits in a Cosmos or non-Cosmos plex. You know it - I know it. Unfortunately it seems to be (based on runs i made on 8/10 DED, 6/10 DED and COSMOS runs) - all of those had different drop ratio, tho as number of tries is in tens not thousands its hard to judge whats the exact amount.
Juana Morlaine Art of War Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.06.13 15:18:00 - [133] Edited by: Juana Morlaine on 13/06/2008 15:18:46 Originally by: Deva Blackfire Quote: - I highly doubt that drop rate in DED are different from the Cosmos. Simply since Overseer = Overseer. To the system it doesnt matter if it sits in a Cosmos or non-Cosmos plex. You know it - I know it. Unfortunately it seems to be (based on runs i made on 8/10 DED, 6/10 DED and COSMOS runs) - all of those had different drop ratio, tho as number of tries is in tens not thousands its hard to judge whats the exact amount. I did run both excessively: 4/10, 6/10, 8/10 and 10/10 as well as the Cosmos radar. From my personal perception drop chance and drop rate is exactly the same. I write this after 4 runs in Cosmos radar (3 of them without any Overseer loot), 5 runs on 4/10 (2 without loot, 2 with really bad drops) and 2 runs on 6/10 (one of which with no drop). Bottom line: no hard facts to back it up - just an impression that chances seem to be very similar on what drops how. Thus you could be right, I could be unless a dev verifies (whereas some dev even said that sig spawn sites are tied to cosntellations only, which defintily is not true except for Cosmos).
Inmate 854	Posted - 2008.06.13 16:53:00 - [134] A bit off topic, but does anyone have any links to guides or info on agent missions at cosmos sites in these constellations (like the ones found at beacons and some of the stargates)? I have the standings to use them. But would like to have some clue what I'm getting into before talking to the agents. There seems to be a wealth of info on the empire Cosmos sites, but notta on the ones in 0.0 So far I have only done a couple of the stargate agents and gotten some booster BPC's. I'm assuming these are one time only missions like the ones in empire, correct?
Juana Morlaine Art of War Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.06.13 19:08:00 - [135] Originally by: Inmate 854 A bit off topic, but does anyone have any links to guides or info on agent missions at cosmos sites in these constellations (like the ones found at beacons and some of the stargates)? I have the standings to use them. But would like to have some clue what I'm getting into before talking to the agents. There seems to be a wealth of info on the empire Cosmos sites, but notta on the ones in 0.0 So far I have only done a couple of the stargate agents and gotten some booster BPC's. I'm assuming these are one time only missions like the ones in empire, correct? The "missions" on the stargates are one-time only. The agent mission from the agent sites are missions but with a special "touch". Anyone doing those does not tell anything about the specifics. Thus I do not know if I do those or not. ;) Maybe just try? Yours Juana
Kyle Frost Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.13 21:32:00 - [136] Originally by: Juana Morlaine Questions? Yes , i have questions. 1. What's with the "boy" at the beginning of each sentance ? 2. "Breaking news: overssers do not only spawn in DED plexes. They will spawn in EVERY single escalation path if you jsut do them fast enough. Huh? Didnt know? Now you know ;)" Care to explain a little more about that ? I find it a little hard to believe. How exactly did you figure that out ? When you say "escalation path", does that include the simple encounter sites which you can find with the on-board scanner or only the combat sites you find with exploration probes ?
Ulstan State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.13 21:49:00 - [137] Instead of nerfing these sites (which would give those farming them an even bigger advantage) CCP should just put them on the regular exploration table :) But I think we can all agree (the random troll in the thread aside) that giving people the ability to 'lock down' a plex by sticking a cloaked ship in it is bad and needs to be stopped. Also, it's amusing counting how many times juanna uses 'boy' to start sentences :D
Juana Morlaine Art of War Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.06.13 22:55:00 - [138] Originally by: Kyle Frost Yes , i have questions. 1. What's with the "boy" at the beginning of each sentance ? As long as Phyrr is not your alt, it has nothign to do with you :) Please do not bother on me calling things and stuff by their name ;) Originally by: Kyle Frost Care to explain a little more about that ? I find it a little hard to believe. How exactly did you figure that out ? When you say "escalation path", does that include the simple encounter sites which you can find with the on-board scanner or only the combat sites you find with exploration probes ? 1. only cosmic signature sites (those you find with exploration probes) - I do not have any experience with cosmic anomalies - in fact I never bothered to do those. 2. its all written in here - just do and you shall see :)
Juana Morlaine Art of War Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.06.13 23:02:00 - [139] Originally by: Ulstan that giving people the ability to 'lock down' a plex by sticking a cloaked ship in it is bad and needs to be stopped. If you add the statement: while being afk and while others are unable to track them down, I am with you. Originally by: Ulstan Also, it's amusing counting how many times juanna uses 'boy' to start sentences :D It is just the proper way to address an juvenile err infantile err... Troll, who still needs to learn to Troll, esspecially when he is all emo and tries to argue with me even ingame ;)
Asiel The Baby Sitters	Posted - 2008.06.15 01:05:00 - [140] Juana = endless flow of BS
Ezoran DuBlaidd	Posted - 2008.06.15 11:42:00 - [141] Edited by: Ezoran DuBlaidd on 15/06/2008 11:43:30 Originally by: Ace's wife indeed, i think you are right for a large part of your theory. oh and taking away static complex's to make them spawn all over the place to keep exlorers busy and then put 2 complex's (yup there's also a magneto plex besides the radar)in each of these constelations that respawn 24/7 seems to me rediculous and im wondering if explorers are taken by the nose. EXPLORERS REVOLT, DOWN WITH THE ESTABLISHMENT, THIS HAS TAKEN LONG ENOUGH i like revolutions. POWER TO THE PEOPLE~!! and stuff
Deva Blackfire D00M.	Posted - 2008.06.15 12:03:00 - [142] Anyways: bug reporting is <-- this way
Phyrr The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2008.06.17 11:55:00 - [143] Edited by: Phyrr on 17/06/2008 11:57:12 Originally by: Juana Morlaine Originally by: Kyle Frost Yes , i have questions. 1. What's with the "boy" at the beginning of each sentance ? As long as Phyrr is not your alt, it has nothign to do with you :) Please do not bother on me calling things and stuff by their name ;) Originally by: Kyle Frost Care to explain a little more about that ? I find it a little hard to believe. How exactly did you figure that out ? When you say "escalation path", does that include the simple encounter sites which you can find with the on-board scanner or only the combat sites you find with exploration probes ? 1. only cosmic signature sites (those you find with exploration probes) - I do not have any experience with cosmic anomalies - in fact I never bothered to do those. 2. its all written in here - just do and you shall see :) I own the exploration channel, I think I know wtf I am on about. I've run every kind of site you can run. These plexes will get nerfed, no dreams required. Learn to communicate please, because atm you aren't saying much at all besides "I like farming isk". Join us in the Exploration channel. The odds on me being here are rather slim evolutionary speaking, yet in the infinite bounds of probability my being here is a certainty.
tropic89	Posted - 2008.06.21 16:48:00 - [144] need a list of all the pilots that are camping the pexes 24/7. We have a new way to have them removed from the plexes, and i dont have to fire a shot. The days of RA camping these plexes are over.
Deva Blackfire D00M.	Posted - 2008.06.21 17:11:00 - [145] Originally by: Phyrr I own the exploration channel, I think I know wtf I am on about. I've run every kind of site you can run. These plexes will get nerfed, no dreams required. You should watch who you make moderator there. Seeing idiot in action within first 10 seconds from entering is really pathetic.
SK Leya	Posted - 2008.06.21 20:03:00 - [146] Edited by: SK Leya on 21/06/2008 20:06:00 Dear god, love the swarms of morons. Everyone thinks their solution is the ultimate truth in the universe. First off if don't Fing like it change it or jerk off and stop whining like sissies. In the end all of you are *** heads doing digital dope playing the pretentious skirt role. Nobody has your little pet goldfish threating it with a kitchen knife unless you play. By the principle of equality for everybody from - "my 15$ a month are worth just the same as your 15$ a month for eve" yes its not fair, but then again global social policy isn't fair and you want a "game" to be fair? If we operate on the assumption that things should be fair in the popular meaning of the word then content is irrelevant - its all about distribution. Offcourse organized player groups should have the advantage. After all holding the specified areas isn't free, it costs time and effort, just because you have other priorities more important than fighting off morons totally obsessed with exploits in the binary world thats your problem, its only fitting that you shouldn't get what they get without being smart and persistent. Something should be done about it only if the owners of this business truly wish to label it entertainment - otherwise its just binary dope - who cares whats the quality, as long as you are stupid enough to be hooked on it you deserve what you get. So if this is to be entertainment everybody involved should get some taste of the goods, who cares how much insane isk you make, they can triple the amount you get, as long as they truly randomize and spread the distributions of these plexes. So if you REALLY want to explore go ahead, if the blasted thing can spawn almost anywhere that otta be fun and it still be worth looking for. But then this problem would be solved somehow and the same people who whined about this will start whining about how unfair it is to be mostly luck based. And don't be angry with farmers, its not their fault they are that way - its your fault, you are so pathetic that you have a universe of infinite possibility in which you are blessed with the ability to shape things but instead of exploring that and also using it for entertainment you chose to devote time to limiting virtual activities which often give you more tension than relaxation. All because you don't have the guts to do something that has meaning in your life. Simply because it easy to pretend to be free in a self created/limited/meaningless/etc environment than it is to be ACTUALLY free. And by all rights farmers are smarter than you - why? Because the "Pro" farmers as you call them don't take the casual you take. They don't have to "educate" them selves in your perverted concepts of "normal" and struggle through the endless maze of hypocrites going to "schools" to clutter their heads with crap they don't want to know so they can labor for some intelligence wannabe who will be busting their ass every work day and pretty much never giving them credit for what they are worth - simply exploiting them for life. No instead they figure if you have the stupidity not to care that you are being exploited why shouldn't they do it too? You have the nerve to grind global currency more than you have the nerve to grind a currency for any named limited environment. Its only logical, if you have established a position that is easy for you to make say 10$ for one hour but you haven't got that same position to make an amount of isk that is worth 10$ why not take advantage of it? After all its time saving, why force someone to waste their time when things can be traded. A casual farmer answers only to him self, where a casual worker answers to at least 1 person who makes his life miserable. A casual farmer doesn't give a ** about the social system as it should - the current one is made so to exploit him - he has his status mostly in his hands without braking a sweat at anybody's concepts of propriety while he has the balls to explore the unfamiliar.
Deva Blackfire D00M.	Posted - 2008.06.22 02:06:00 - [147] Use less words. Id be surprised if anyone bothers to read that all.
Helen coracao ardente	Posted - 2008.06.22 02:41:00 - [148] Wall of text detected I'm going for a sleep.
Misanth Electro Fuels	Posted - 2008.06.22 05:14:00 - [149] Originally by: Helen Wall of text detected I'm going for a sleep. WTB. Think those farmers got some for sale? Oh wait, no.. the drug bpcs were taken by the evil afkcloakers.
acs shadow and flame Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.22 11:28:00 - [150] Edited by: acs on 22/06/2008 11:28:14 Can anyone give an example on one of the nastiest NPC's in the plexes? Overseer or not, I want names =)

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