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Jim Hatesu	Posted - 2008.04.10 03:51:00 - [1] This will be a guide to everything you need to know to find run and cash out on Radar Cosmos Sites. In my experience, when you run these, you can make anywhere from a few hundred mill on a bad day to 8+billion on a good day. They are basically superior in most ways to the original 10/10s, and with skillful running can produce a rediculous amount of isk for those who control them. I myself have made 10s of billions of isk farming these plexes off and on for a few weeks, and want to share the way for any commited player to make themselves a self sustainingly wealthy member of eve. Introduction: What are Cosmos Radar Sites? Cosmos Radar sites are found in the 8 0.0 Cosmos Constellations. They also can spawn randomly anywhere in the faction's space, but finding this way is signifigantly more time consuming and less profitable than finding the plexes within the Constellation they spawn. These sites show up on Multifrequency scans as "Radar", and to complete the plex you must have hacking trained to level 1, otherwise you are unable to enter the rooms with the goodies. Why should I run Cosmos Radar sites? The best part about Cosmos radar sites is you can predict exactly where they spawn. They will always spawn within the same constellation, and most of these constellations are only 6-7 systems. That means you can typically narrow where the plex is down to one system fairly fast, and with good probing skills can find the plex in an average of 30-40 minutes. They also drop excellent loot. They hold the blueprints/reactons for both standard and improved boosters, and as a bonus the Boss will drop A or B-type Deadspace Loot of the faction it belongs to. Up to 4 items at one time! Ive gotten drops from a single boss worth in excess of 3billion isk. Well doesnt it take an awesome ship and lots of training to be able to run 0.0 Cosmos? Wrong. When I first started out running 0.0 Cosmos, I was close to broke and only had a T1 fitted Vexor to my name. I was able to beat my first plexes in this simple Vexor and make a few billion isk before I started ironing out an extremely effective way of running these plexes probably far faster than was ever intended. Most of these plexes with an experienced pilot can be completed in the area of 10 minutes from the time you warp in to the time you warp out. Combined with a 30-40 minute average probe time and a 3b drop from the bosses, in theory you could generate in excess of 50billion isk in one lucky day. If that isnt enough to convince you that this guide is worth reading, then feel free to stop. The Method: Where are these plexes? These plexes are located in the following 8 Constellations: E-8CSQ, 09-4XV, 9HXQ-G, OK-FEM, Pegasus, Assilot, I-3ODK and 760-9C. Easy enough. For your information, these are the plexes ive run and can confirm their loot drops: Assilot- Core A-Type Pegasus- Core B-Type E-8CSQ - Pith A-Type 09-4XW - Pith B-Type 760-9C - Gist A-Type I-3ODK - Gist B-Type Presumably the other Two drop Centus A and B type. Easy enough.
Jim Hatesu	Posted - 2008.04.10 03:52:00 - [2] How do I find these plexes once im in the right constellation? There will -ALWAYS- be a cosmos radar up in the constellation unless it is bugged, which can, extremely rarely happen. These plexes are unique in that they are radar sites which have a gate to enter, and then 2 further gates inside. When you warp to these plexes you will get a popup "Pirate Hideout" with text explaining about local pirates dealing with the gas clouds in neighboring systems. If you go out to solar system map to view the plex's name, it will be called "Digital _____", each having a unique second word to its name for the particular plex you are running. To find these plexes you'll want good probing skills and implants, and knowledge on how to scan for radars. If you dont know how to scan for plexes, i suggest you read the guides available on these forums. It may come that in the future I release a more particular scanning guide for these plexes, but at the moment im going to avoid that. Needless to say it is a somewhat difficult place to find, but not exceptionally hard. Now for the good part: How do you run these plexes the most effectively? This is where some creativity comes into play. If you are a plexer, I assume you proably think in terms of a Beefy tank ship and some sort of logistics ships. If you want to be good at cosmos radars, you need to throw that completely out the window. Cosmos radars are about speed, speed, speed, and more speed. Some of the best ships for cosmos are actually ships that are otherwise total trash for exploration. Vagabonds, ishtars and Cerberuses are the main ships you want to fly for these plexes. The typhoon is also one of the better BS, though ive seen nano ravens and other similar quirky setups used effectively. Im sure at the moment your somewhat questionable on this, but let me explain a few extremely important details of cosmos radars: There are no locks on the gates. If you activate a gate, it will respond and let you through regardless of how many npcs are up. This means that killing npcs is not necessary for almost all of the plex. Additionally, there are no webbing batteries in the plex, warp scrams near the activation gates are uncommon, or in some of the plexes never occur. There is no reason for you to sit there and plow through the waves of npcs and bs and sometimes siege towers that would take up a lot of your valuable time killing. You can instead hit the afterburner button and blow straight past all the npcs. Most of the plexes you can simply afterburner a loop around all the npcs and sneak in fast, activating the gate before you get serious agro. On a few you have to fly into a horde, but generally you can burn away then burn back in past them and activate the gate again easily without stopping to kill a thing.
Jim Hatesu	Posted - 2008.04.10 03:53:00 - [3] So lets explain how to do the first room of each plex, since exactly the same: You warp in, hit afterburner and pull away from the group of rats near warpin. In almost every version of the plex you wont get agro on warp in, and this will give you some room to manuever to the proper position to make a run for the gate. In every version of the plex, there will be 2 gate choices for you in the first room. It doesnt matter which plex your in, ALWAYS GO THROUGH THE LEFT GATE. The left gate is the room where the boss that drops the deadspace loot, and this is the room you want to go to first, since it will have a gate that will lead you to the Third room, or the room you can enter by taking the RIGHT GATE from the first room. The biggest threat in the first room is ocassionally there will be warp scram frigates. I almost never see these near the gates to the left room, and a fast ship can typically approach the gate without entering danger from these frigates, but you should always be ready to adapt your plan if you do get scrammed. The other threat in the first room of some plexes are the SIEGE TOWERS. Siege towers do omni damage, they really really hurt, and they have incredibly good tracking, so even very fast ships can get hurt bad by them. They do have one vital weakness that you can exploit though, they cant shoot past 50km! Keep your distance as you move quickly, and you can make your exposure to them very quick, so that even the lighest tanks can easily shrug off the damage. Not all plexes have the siege towers. Hopefully by this time you've made it out of the first room, and once you got your practice down, it wont take more than 2 minutes to the above work. Now is the fun part, killing the loot ladened boss. Every version of the plex will have a Battleship in this second room, and this battleship will have a laughable to sometimes threatening guard... this is where experience can really pay off. Some version of the plex, the boss seems to be in his own little micro world. Even with 100 friends around him, you can plink him once with your gun and run away and the boss will come after you in a mad dash at 1100+ speeds without agressing any of his protectors. You can than turn around and kill him quickly. In other versions, it cant be avoided that you agro the whole spawn, or at least part of the spawn, this is where its important to know if you can speed, range, or brute force tank him. Speed: Vagabond... This really only works on the races that use little or no missiles. It works great against serpentis due to this, and it most likely works great against Centus plexes, though ive never run them to verify. Doing this without skill will require some practice on fitting and personal skill of the pilot using transversal properly. Once you get good at it its arguably one of the fastest ships for running some of the plexes. Dual speed tank: Inti + nano bs. This works great in every version of the plex. The inti with good skills can enter the room, agress all rats and orbit an extremely high velocity to avoid all damage. The biggest downside of this is it requires a particularily pimped interceptor to pull off. You dont want to attempt this going below 3100-3200 in your interceptor with afterburner, so Deadspace afterburner and polycarbs will be required for most players. Have the BS follow in and bash everythings head in while the interceptor buzzes about. I suggest an orbit of 150km+ for an inti attempting this once all npc are agrod. Range(or pseudo-speed): This is basically Like speed tanking, but instead of using a ship to get in close, you go out far to really limit the damage thats incoming due to range and blast the target at range. I dont particularily like this method, but i have seen and done it myself. This was how I was able to run it in my vexor- orbit the baddies at 80km while they try horribly to hit me, and stuff my high full of drone link augs so drones work at long range.
Jim Hatesu	Posted - 2008.04.10 03:53:00 - [4] Brute forcing: Bring enough tank to outlast their dps. This is really suprisingly easy. These plexes on the whole do really anemic damage for most explorations. There are some exceptions, but typically you are looking at dps similar to 2 good belt spawns coming at you at once. A cerberus or ishtar are both extremely effective at brute force tanking plexes while having the speed to move through the plex in reasonable time. An ishtar pilot basically has to fall asleep at the wheel for it to lose to a plex against its faction resists. Many ishtar pilots in these plexes simply approach the next gate and fly straight through the entire spawn in the first room, then appraoch the boss and waddle through the entire spawn in the 2nd room. The plexes just dont do near enough dps to break them with a good tank. A cerb takes the same approach, nice tank with an afterburner. Adjust your tank to speed ratio depending on which plex you end up doing. Some do very little dps and allow you to go for max speed, some will require you to tank it up a little. So you got your ship and you know how your gonna use it. Kill the bad boss first, and loot his cargo, and your done with this room. The boss will be the battleship with a unique name. Its ship type will be exact the same as its name: Eg, "Head Bouncer" is the name of one the bosses. Each plexes's boss name varies. Once the boss is down and you have your cargo full of deadspace loot, its time to move on. Sure, there may be 40 ships shooting you, but why bother with them. THere will be a gate in this room which you can activate and head to the final required room. Quickly move to this gate and activate it to move out. Now the final room should be easy. You simply repeat the steps from the room you just did, but instead of the named bs, with a ship type thats the same name, you will see a named BS where the ship type is NOT the same as the unique name. Pop this bs as quickly as you can, and warp out. Congradulations, you have run the whole plex. You may of noticed there were cans and another warp gate you could of taken in the final room: Dont bother. These are a waste of time, you make far more isk chaining this plex than you will in the time it takes to hack these cans. The gate in the final room leads to en extra chamber which has improved booster bpcs and reactions, but it is also a complete waste of time. Often this room is quite a bit harder than the previous rooms, and the reward is worth very little compared to the multiple billions you can get per run on the overseer boss. So now that you've warped out, what happens? If the two BS described above are dead, and everyone has left, the plex will despawn in about 90 seconds- those 2 ships are the only requirements what so ever of beating the plex. Once it has despawned it will instantaneously respawn somewhere else in the same constellation. Thats right, you instantly will have the ability to run this plex again, and then again and again. So in summary: Go to your nearest cosmos constellation Find the Radar Cosmos site Use speed to run the plex as quickly as possible. Ignore extra and distractions. Leave the plex to start the process over again. Once you have this down to a process, you can average a time of about 1 hour between each overseer kill. Even on a bad day you can average a couple billion isk in loot. You too can become a very wealthy billionaire. Enjoy!
Jim Hatesu	Posted - 2008.04.10 03:54:00 - [5] *Reserved for Potential Future Use. Feel free to ask questions!
syphurous Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.04.10 03:55:00 - [6] So what do you get from sharing this information ? More targets ?
FlameGlow Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.04.10 06:23:00 - [7] Originally by: syphurous So what do you get from sharing this information ? More targets ? Why bother running plexes yourself when you can gatecamp someone who did it for you?
Atreides Horza Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.04.10 11:17:00 - [8] The problem isn't really finding and getting access to the sites. The problem is getting access to the area. Getting your ship(s) in and out safely without running into this or that alliance whring the area, finding it before the 10+ plex whres of said whre alliance, completing it before them - and then ofc getting the loot of the constellation - is... Well... Good luck. To plunder, to slaughter, to steal, these things they misname empire; and where they make a wilderness, they call it peace.* - Tacitus
Glassback Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.04.10 12:51:00 - [9] Good guide tbh, I run these the "honor" way and kill everything. TBH I always wondered how you got away with using a HAC for these things as I assumed the gates would be locked. So tonight I shall be mostly farming plexes. BTW you need Hacking/Arch skill trained to use the gates. G. LinkedIn
Deva Blackfire D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.10 13:21:00 - [10] Its so funny CCP ALWAYS leaves some loophole to find. As if it wasnt possible to make it spawn once per xxx time (day/month/year/whatever).
Masu'di Es and Whizz Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2008.04.10 14:51:00 - [11] feel free to contact Es and Whizz to sell any combat booster bpcs you may have hacked from these sites ;)
Rheiya	Posted - 2008.04.11 01:16:00 - [12] Surely this wasn't intended? The amount of isk to be made is insane, and it's easily farmable.
Lenaria Caldari Ursa Ritor	Posted - 2008.04.11 02:32:00 - [13] Edited by: Lenaria on 11/04/2008 02:33:25 Edited by: Lenaria on 11/04/2008 02:33:09 Originally by: Rheiya Surely this wasn't intended? The amount of isk to be made is insane, and it's easily farmable. This is intended. This behaviior was reported to CCP almost year ago, even before corresponding patch gone live. Similar topics about this "feature" appears about every month - but CCP dont care. I guess, in 1 year CCP will suddently awake and ban some unlucky dude who happens to be in the exact moment in the plex and will make a big thread about bad exploits which were never reported to them. Remember 8/10 which was runned but everyone in eve for about half a year, was reported to CCP like 1000 times, and then appeared to be "exploit"? Ah, CCP at its best... ==============================================
Ruddger Minmatar Omen Incorporated	Posted - 2008.04.11 11:37:00 - [14] When CCP makes a broken plex, they really go all out and smash as many areas of the game as they can. Yes, everything Jim wrote here is true. I also pay 100 mil for the corpse of the people who do this in in my space. Why would I pay so much? When you "activate" a plex (warp to it) a timer starts before it despawns. There is a lot of theory around how long this timer really is, but I have found it reliably to be 24 hours. If you do not complete the required assignment within a plex (hack the can, kill the guy, etc) the plex will remain for the full 24 hours. As a result the people who ninja these plex's effectively set the plex up on their schedule, able to return to it every 24 hours when it resets. Ok but why doesn't someone else reset the plex then? You can't! Remember how Jim said the gates are unlocked? Well that is only partly true. The gates to ninja the exceedingly easy overseer who drops the high end loot are unlocked, but wait what about the gate in the last room? That is locked. What unlocks it? The key the overseer drops. So once the overseer has been ninjaed it is impossible for anyone else to finish and despawn the plex. Wow that really screws all the explorers spend the next day scanning down this plex, huh? Yes it does, but it gets better. Why screw over just the explorers when you can screw over the booster manufacturers too! Thats right the ONLY place in the entirety of EvE to get the vital advanced BPCs for booster production are safely locked behind that last gate. Wonderful, 2 whole groups are now up the proverbial creek. It gets even better though. Lets turn this thing on its head and toss logic right out the window. You know how things are supposed to "advance." As difficulty gets higher rewards increase and so forth? Well not today my friend. Not only can you bypass the first room entirely, and you can avoid even being decloaked, the second room with the overseer with the best rewards is the easiest part of this whole thing! Even if you are part of the space holding alliance the only thing compelling you to actually run the whole plex is respect for your fellow prober. That second room has a value of 3-4 times the value of the rest of the plex combined! The last room which has 4 siege batteries and 2 stasis towers that insta agro in that locked room (so you cant warp out or call in reinforcements because it is a short timed gate that relocks and destroys the key)is often worth a big fat 0. Thats right the cans are usually filled with literally trash. Filler items that aren't worth anything, cant be reprocessed, and aren't used in any kind of manufacturing. So lets give a big hand to the guy who designed this one. Get rich by screwing over as many people possible! Oh and if anyone else thinks that this is a little FUBARed I assure you this plex "is working as intended." (So I may be getting a little irritated at this point as I sit here waiting for DT to end so I can get to this plex first and reset the clock to my schedule)
Jim Hatesu	Posted - 2008.04.11 12:50:00 - [15] Originally by: Ruddger You can't! Remember how Jim said the gates are unlocked? Well that is only partly true. The gates to ninja the exceedingly easy overseer who drops the high end loot are unlocked, but wait what about the gate in the last room? That is locked. What unlocks it? The key the overseer drops. So once the overseer has been ninjaed it is impossible for anyone else to finish and despawn the plex. Wrong! Access to this final room is not required to complete the plex. The plex can be completed and despawned without anyone ever touching the final room. This is stated in the guide if you read it.
Ruddger Minmatar Omen Incorporated	Posted - 2008.04.11 12:55:00 - [16] Experience shows otherwise. Believe me I have tried every which way to get this plex down when it has been ninjaed but the one that I run requires a hack attempt in the last room.
Hortoken Wolfbrother Amarr Free Lapland The Kadeshi	Posted - 2008.04.11 13:47:00 - [17] Edited by: Hortoken Wolfbrother on 11/04/2008 13:47:41 Originally by: Ruddger Experience shows otherwise. Believe me I have tried every which way to get this plex down when it has been ninjaed but the one that I run requires a hack attempt in the last room. Which plex specifically. Many of these plexes have afk campers in them that prevent respawns.
Charming Pants	Posted - 2008.04.11 15:38:00 - [18] Edited by: Charming Pants on 11/04/2008 15:38:31 What is this Dysprosium madness that was spoken off?
Lunch Money Teylas Inc. Rare Faction	Posted - 2008.04.11 16:10:00 - [19] Originally by: Charming Pants Edited by: Charming Pants on 11/04/2008 15:38:31 What is this Dysprosium madness that was spoken off? RA is taking control over most of dyspro moon making prices go high (60-70k per unit now?) I remember when ppl started whining on forum when dyspro costed 10k:P
Lenaria Caldari Ursa Ritor	Posted - 2008.04.11 16:46:00 - [20] Originally by: Lunch Money Originally by: Charming Pants Edited by: Charming Pants on 11/04/2008 15:38:31 What is this Dysprosium madness that was spoken off? RA is taking control over most of dyspro moon making prices go high (60-70k per unit now?) I remember when ppl started whining on forum when dyspro costed 10k:P I find it pretty much funny when peoples talk so much about RA, when there are plenty other alliances in game which always had more dysprosium / prometium moons and generally much better space. Tri, Bob, GS - to name the few... But yes, Dyspro moons are new 8/10 plexes. ==============================================
Ace's wife	Posted - 2008.04.16 15:45:00 - [21] Bump oh and btw isnt it more fair to make these cosmos complex's part of the big pile and make em spawn outside the original 0.0 cosmos constelations more often and that way get enuff drug bpc's and stuff into the game by raising statistical input instead of practically handing all that isk(yes the numbers mentioned are correct) to the holder of the area or people who camp it 24/7. i know from experience i made over 40 bil at ease. oh and red alliance hold 4 or orso of these constelations that spit out 40 bil isk p/d wonder if thats an advantage they have over other players
Atima Minmatar The Collective	Posted - 2008.04.16 18:12:00 - [22] RA only hold two. the two gisti ones.
Hedi Flice	Posted - 2008.04.16 19:37:00 - [23] Originally by: Atima RA only hold two. the two gisti ones. And Assilot
Miranda Matari key tech limited	Posted - 2008.04.17 08:41:00 - [24] Originally by: Hedi Flice And Assilot I can confirm this -- Miranda Matari of the key tech limited
muravey	Posted - 2008.04.18 07:38:00 - [25] Wrong. All plexes now striked by one isk addicted man. Нe have above then 20 chars and trying to press out others from them, by dropping covops inside them 24/7. I think he is try to make time windows in each plex for non-stop farming in future by himself. I sure he use more than one computer for that, to keep 2-3 covops afk online and rule 1-3 other his alts. You can easy monitor or compare his time activity from chars who sitting in this plexes. They are: anry dufrain 760-9c bapiop 760-9c captain scyth ok-fem doyouwanna assilot masochistic cannibal assilot tba reborn ok-fem shimaly softpaws e8-csq I am sure this is not full list, there are many support and trade alts, but this it is sufficient for understanding сurrent (intriguing) situation.
Ace's wife	Posted - 2008.04.18 08:58:00 - [26] indeed, i think you are right for a large part of your theory. oh and taking away static complex's to make them spawn all over the place to keep exlorers busy and then put 2 complex's (yup there's also a magneto plex besides the radar)in each of these constelations that respawn 24/7 seems to me rediculous and im wondering if explorers are taken by the nose. EXPLORERS REVOLT, DOWN WITH THE ESTABLISHMENT, THIS HAS TAKEN LONG ENOUGH
Phyrr Minmatar The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2008.04.18 11:03:00 - [27] noes the sekrit is out
RazorRaven	Posted - 2008.04.18 12:42:00 - [28] To OP. What were your Vexor and Ishtar setups for those plexes?
eXtas Atomic Battle Penguins	Posted - 2008.04.18 16:03:00 - [29] hehe I know that doyouwanna guy... been fighting that farmer and his alts a lot.. he is pretty good :) probobly killed half of outbreak :)
Arain	Posted - 2008.04.18 19:13:00 - [30] Just a sour grapes comment but why do they set complexes up like this that can be spawned 24/7 and farmed for billions but they have to nerf missions to almost nothing to keep the evil mission runners from makeing a little cash.
Ecky X Universal Securities	Posted - 2008.04.18 23:52:00 - [31] Originally by: Arain Just a sour grapes comment but why do they set complexes up like this that can be spawned 24/7 and farmed for billions but they have to nerf missions to almost nothing to keep the evil mission runners from makeing a little cash. Apparently there is now a reason to leave empire.
Emeline Cabernet Amarr Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.19 08:07:00 - [32] ah now i understand a couple of outposts.. dear god that is alot of isk.
Ruddger Minmatar Omen Incorporated	Posted - 2008.04.19 14:18:00 - [33] Edited by: Ruddger on 19/04/2008 14:19:26 Tips and Tricks: How to deal with the farmers in your neck of the woods. When a farmer sets up shop he is trespassing on your land. It may seem like a daunting task to boost him, but I assure you it can be done. Here are some techniques to make sure that he gets nothing for his trouble. 1. Its a race, and you have the home field advantage. The farmers start at the *** of dawn, so you need to be too. (Seriously I cant say ***?) Right after DT is when you need to be probing for your radar plex. You may not have the best skills, or even competitive ones compared to your local expletive, but use this to your advantage. The farmer is after the overseer in the second room and he is likely in a recon. This means drones. When scanning for your sig also scan for ships and drones. The strength of even quest probes will give you a 0 hit on a drone in a plex. 2. You know what he is in, counter it. The farmer will be in a plexing ship. This means that he will have holes that you can fill with delicious damage. ALWAYS REMEMBER TO CARRY A SCRAM. 3. Speed is the key. The farmer is skipping the first room and so should you. Use an armor tanking HAC and fit an AB. This will give you enough speed and shield buffer to get to the gate and sill be combat effective by the time you arrive. 4. Probe ships are the weakest link. Recons and drakes are easily replaceable, and not very expensive. Probe ships need to be rigged out and will carry delicious faction scan launchers. These can also only be replaced in empire. Its not easy to kill one of these buggers, but it is possible. If you get to the site before your farmer, sit a smart bombing BS on the initial gate. The deadspace field will pull your farmer right on top of you and 3 or 4 smart bombs will make quick work of him. 5. This site is yours! Keep it that way. One technique that the farmer will use (and CCP allows) is sitting a cloaked ship inside the plex. This will prevent the plex from despawning even if the overseers are dead. Park one of your ships inside the plex cloaked until you are ready to run it again, or until DT so you can assure that he will not unfettered access to the respawns. 6. Don't let him know you are waiting for him. If you make it to the site first and kill the overseer, pop the wreck. This will make is confusing for the farmer to know if the site is still good or not and you can sit a cloaked recon on the warp in point in the 2nd room. Did someone order fricasseed farmer? Using these tips and techniques I hope that all space holding capsulers can drive out the farmers who now plague the 8 broken constellations in eve.
Skyblue Karjala Inc.	Posted - 2008.04.19 16:36:00 - [34] Originally by: Ruddger Park one of your ships inside the plex cloaked until you are ready to run it again, or until DT so you can assure that he will not unfettered access to the respawns. The plex is still in same location even after DT?
Deva Blackfire D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.19 17:02:00 - [35] Originally by: Skyblue Originally by: Ruddger Park one of your ships inside the plex cloaked until you are ready to run it again, or until DT so you can assure that he will not unfettered access to the respawns. The plex is still in same location even after DT? It vanishes during DT
Ace's wife	Posted - 2008.04.19 19:31:00 - [36] nope it doesnt vanish it respawns after boss in 2nd lvl has been cleared and noone remains in plex 24/7 takes 20 mins to find it 20 mins to run it about 30 respawns p/d if planned well and the magneto plex drops x-type stuff tho is a bit harder to run tho also respawns once finished
Daishi Kurita Illicit Technologies	Posted - 2008.04.20 04:38:00 - [37] Edited by: Daishi Kurita on 20/04/2008 04:38:52 Are you guys positive this complex respawns? I heard rumor that it was only once per day now, however it could just be that guy camping inside of it. Does anyone have experience running it more then once per day in the recent past?
Ace's wife	Posted - 2008.04.20 05:21:00 - [38] Edited by: Ace''s wife on 20/04/2008 05:21:49 24/7 instant respawn once boss in 2nd room is dead avg 400mil p/r out of 100run's for the radar plex
Luji Velika Minmatar The Mint	Posted - 2008.04.20 14:13:00 - [39] Did some1 got thrown out of the complex and is now bitter? Why didnt you reveal this info before u accumulated this massive wealth? This is such an obvious attempt from a plex farmer that got thrown out, to make the next stronger plex farmers life more difficult. And no, the magneto site does not drop X-Type loot...
Ace's wife	Posted - 2008.04.20 22:38:00 - [40] Edited by: Ace''s wife on 20/04/2008 22:44:26 there's no such thing as thrown out, having 8 of these constelations to choose from, and yes i still frequently visit them, however being an explorer i think the things i pointed out in my 1st few posts make sence, like it being more fair if the loot output from these complex's would be spread over eve. so in your face luji ps if people where to look at your contract history they would know why i feel that way
Red Thunder	Posted - 2008.04.30 16:45:00 - [41] just make it so they respawn after a set time regardless of if someone is inside it....would solve all the problems
steejans nix Amarr 0beron Construct	Posted - 2008.05.01 12:18:00 - [42] Also make them re-spawn in other constelations as if you know where within 6 systems it's not really exploration it's a race, as you'll have scanning bm's all set and ready to go. Rinse and repeat etc
Twangy	Posted - 2008.05.01 19:11:00 - [43] I smell a bitter person who has been pushed out off his little cash cow and now wants to do anything to spoil it for people who have out played him. I know people who do this you are very dileberatly over exagerating the isk that comes from the plex and your estimates of the time you need to scan the plex are way off. You fail to point out that a lot of the time you get no drop from the plex and your decieving people about how hard the plex is to tank. I assume you are doing all this in an attempt to get ccp to "fix" the plex now you can't run it yourself. There are some parts of 0.0 that if you have the ability and resources you can use to make a lot of isk. They are why people build alliances and try to hold space. These areas should be hotly contested and the victors should enjoy the rewards. The losers should either fight back or leave. Or just go to the forums and all but begg ccp to take away what they lacked the inteligenc power or balls to take themselves.
Muellisa	Posted - 2008.05.01 20:44:00 - [44] Originally by: Twangy I know people who do this you are very dileberatly over exagerating the isk that comes from the plex and your estimates of the time you need to scan the plex are way off. You fail to point out that a lot of the time you get no drop from the plex and your decieving people about how hard the plex is to tank. I assume you are doing all this in an attempt to get ccp to "fix" the plex now you can't run it yourself. This plex is really easy to tank, 2 characters with 10m sp is more then enough. And if you have good scanning skills, sisters probe launcher and imp set you can have it in a 20 mins. Right after it takes less then 5 mins to kill the oversier.
Asiel Caldari The Baby Sitters	Posted - 2008.05.02 11:29:00 - [45] Originally by: Twangy I smell a bitter person who has been pushed out off his little cash cow and now wants to do anything to spoil it for people who have out played him. I know people who do this you are very dileberatly over exagerating the isk that comes from the plex and your estimates of the time you need to scan the plex are way off. You fail to point out that a lot of the time you get no drop from the plex and your decieving people about how hard the plex is to tank. I assume you are doing all this in an attempt to get ccp to "fix" the plex now you can't run it yourself. There are some parts of 0.0 that if you have the ability and resources you can use to make a lot of isk. They are why people build alliances and try to hold space. These areas should be hotly contested and the victors should enjoy the rewards. The losers should either fight back or leave. Or just go to the forums and all but begg ccp to take away what they lacked the inteligenc power or balls to take themselves. I for one am a Solo player and yes did exploit the cosmos plex. however i think its mechanics suck big time. yes my alt is Ace's wife and im not related to jim hatesu i think however he was right posting the walkthru that way at least others know about it and can have a go. compare the trouble that explorers have to go thru for some decent loot to the ease of this cosmos thing and alliance's should hold space for roids not for hand outs from ccp. you big bad conqueror you Twangy
EvilNate Caldari LIVE Reversed	Posted - 2008.05.05 18:51:00 - [46] Weird, off the wall question here, but do those gates accept carriers, dreads, mom's, or TITANS?
Glassback Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.05.06 12:53:00 - [47] Originally by: EvilNate Weird, off the wall question here, but do those gates accept carriers, dreads, mom's, or TITANS? No, not for a long time. Back when Dreads first came into the game, people used to sit in the last level of the 10/10's farming it with a Dread. G.
Qual Gallente Cornexant Research	Posted - 2008.05.06 22:02:00 - [48] Ok, lets kill the sensationalism of this post. The avarage income for this is 200 to 400M pr. run. 3B require extreme luck. You can end up with no drops, and you need the hacking skill trained. That aside they are pretty nice. Expect to fight RA over them, as they are curretnly farming most of them... "The short version: Qual is right." -Papa Smurf
Deva Blackfire D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.06 22:07:00 - [49] Originally by: Qual Ok, lets kill the sensationalism of this post. The avarage income for this is 200 to 400M pr. run. 3B require extreme luck. You can end up with no drops, and you need the hacking skill trained. That aside they are pretty nice. Expect to fight RA over them, as they are curretnly farming most of them... And you can run em each 20-60 minutes compared to twice (once?) per day for old 10/10 plex. I love when people "forget" about most important part.
Spaztick	Posted - 2008.05.07 00:50:00 - [50] And here I was all excited over being able to get quick monies. :( But seriously, more people should have some type of spacer in their sigs to show it's not part of the post.
Qual Gallente Cornexant Research	Posted - 2008.05.07 11:56:00 - [51] Originally by: Deva Blackfire And you can run em each 20-60 minutes compared to twice (once?) per day for old 10/10 plex. I love when people "forget" about most important part. In theory, I guess you are right. I've never seen anyone (even RA guys) do it in less than 3h avarage though. Which is still nice, but I hate how people feel the need to exagerate just to get attention. The truth is bad enough, no need to improve on it. "The short version: Qual is right." -Papa Smurf
syphurous Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.05.08 01:14:00 - [52] Edited by: syphurous on 08/05/2008 01:14:12 Originally by: Spaztick But seriously, more people should have some type of spacer in their sigs to show it's not part of the post. Yeah thats annoying isn't it. Most people will read this thinking it's part of my post, when its actually my sig :P
Asiel Caldari The Baby Sitters	Posted - 2008.05.08 08:20:00 - [53] Edited by: Asiel on 08/05/2008 08:23:26 In theory, I guess you are right. I've never seen anyone (even RA guys) do it in less than 3h avarage though. Which is still nice, but I hate how people feel the need to exagerate just to get attention. The truth is bad enough, no need to improve on it. quote) you are wrong its 30 mins max to run it, and im sure about it :) and i doubt you have ever been near one or have seen anyone run em at all, oh and avg is a bit higher aswell for the complex's dropping gist a-type stuff maybe in delve or cloud ring where they drop crappy corpus stuff its lower
Karicia	Posted - 2008.05.08 12:50:00 - [54] "our records do not show a problem with our servers or with our game design.... it must be your own damn fault."
Lil Mule	Posted - 2008.05.08 16:46:00 - [55] Originally by: Asiel Originally by: Twangy I smell a bitter person who has been pushed out off his little cash cow and now wants to do anything to spoil it for people who have out played him. I know people who do this you are very dileberatly over exagerating the isk that comes from the plex and your estimates of the time you need to scan the plex are way off. You fail to point out that a lot of the time you get no drop from the plex and your decieving people about how hard the plex is to tank. I assume you are doing all this in an attempt to get ccp to "fix" the plex now you can't run it yourself. There are some parts of 0.0 that if you have the ability and resources you can use to make a lot of isk. They are why people build alliances and try to hold space. These areas should be hotly contested and the victors should enjoy the rewards. The losers should either fight back or leave. Or just go to the forums and all but begg ccp to take away what they lacked the inteligenc power or balls to take themselves. I for one am a Solo player and yes did exploit the cosmos plex. however i think its mechanics suck big time. yes my alt is Ace's wife and im not related to jim hatesu i think however he was right posting the walkthru that way at least others know about it and can have a go. compare the trouble that explorers have to go thru for some decent loot to the ease of this cosmos thing and alliance's should hold space for roids not for hand outs from ccp. you big bad conqueror you Twangy Hey there skippy, perhaps you should actually live in a 0.0 alliance for a while that holds this kind of space before you whine. You dont have a concept of how much work it takes to hold that space, how many ships of yours get popped while being in a fleet battle, or the madatory mining op to replace the Alliance's Titan that just got popped etc. Living in 0.0 aint easy, and if there are some perks which allow us to regain our massive amounts of lost ISK due to war, then we deserve it, because we fight hard for our space. Additionally, divide 1 digi plex in 1 cosmos amogst 2000 fellow alliance members, and see how often you can actually get into it. Think before you post, its helpful. ----------------------------------------------- People enjoy flying Amarr for the same reason they like being tied up in leather, whipped and called names
Asiel Caldari The Baby Sitters	Posted - 2008.05.08 23:02:00 - [56] Originally by: Lil Mule Originally by: Asiel Originally by: Twangy I smell a bitter person who has been pushed out off his little cash cow and now wants to do anything to spoil it for people who have out played him. I know people who do this you are very dileberatly over exagerating the isk that comes from the plex and your estimates of the time you need to scan the plex are way off. You fail to point out that a lot of the time you get no drop from the plex and your decieving people about how hard the plex is to tank. I assume you are doing all this in an attempt to get ccp to "fix" the plex now you can't run it yourself. There are some parts of 0.0 that if you have the ability and resources you can use to make a lot of isk. They are why people build alliances and try to hold space. These areas should be hotly contested and the victors should enjoy the rewards. The losers should either fight back or leave. Or just go to the forums and all but begg ccp to take away what they lacked the inteligenc power or balls to take themselves. I for one am a Solo player and yes did exploit the cosmos plex. however i think its mechanics suck big time. yes my alt is Ace's wife and im not related to jim hatesu i think however he was right posting the walkthru that way at least others know about it and can have a go. compare the trouble that explorers have to go thru for some decent loot to the ease of this cosmos thing and alliance's should hold space for roids not for hand outs from ccp. you big bad conqueror you Twangy Hey there skippy, perhaps you should actually live in a 0.0 alliance for a while that holds this kind of space before you whine. You dont have a concept of how much work it takes to hold that space, how many ships of yours get popped while being in a fleet battle, or the madatory mining op to replace the Alliance's Titan that just got popped etc. Living in 0.0 aint easy, and if there are some perks which allow us to regain our massive amounts of lost ISK due to war, then we deserve it, because we fight hard for our space. Additionally, divide 1 digi plex in 1 cosmos amogst 2000 fellow alliance members, and see how often you can actually get into it. Think before you post, its helpful. oh well hi prfessor Mule, doesnt the same count for all other eve players that work hard for what they want to achieve in eve. and btw all ive been doing in my posts is suggesting that there could be a more fair way of distributing this loot to all explorers. and its those who post with unrelevant remarks to what i am or where i should live that are whining, as ive lived in 0.0 for 4-5 years and seen my share of alliance's anb im not bitter
strcpy	Posted - 2008.05.09 10:46:00 - [57] In all this complexes are some low life idiots who farm it non stop, they stay cloak afk.End of story
Shimali Softpaws Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.05.10 02:52:00 - [58]
Sir Emi Gallente Space Odyssey Heroes	Posted - 2008.05.10 06:07:00 - [59] This is very sad indeed, farming is a bad thing for EVE... I have submitted a bug report about those complexes and urge everyone to do the same. The spawn rate should be changed to 1-2 spawns per day. Space Odyssey Maker... www.spaceo.net
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.05.10 08:57:00 - [60] Originally by: Red Thunder just make it so they respawn after a set time regardless of if someone is inside it....would solve all the problems LIke DT, DT+6 hours, DT+12 hours, ecc.? Already tryed, plenty of cryes as the people in the right time zone would click them and raid them 5 minutes after spawning, those with the wrong schedule would never see them.
Riho Gallente Mercenary Forces Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.10 10:42:00 - [61] sometimes i wish i could find such things myself :/ but yeah.. that sucks ---------------------------------- Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
celada1 Caldari Madison Industrial Co. Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.05.10 10:58:00 - [62] Quote: Either the spawn rate should be changed to 1-2 spawns per day, or make the difficulty same as 10/10 plexes or both, just balance the thing first 10/10 arent hard second they work just as any other exploration site, they just spawn in a very limited area, for example if you do a 10/10 it will immediatly respawn somewhere. I vote for upping the difficulty >:)
Deva Blackfire D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.10 12:44:00 - [63] Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 10/05/2008 12:44:39 Originally by: celada1 I vote for upping the difficulty >:) To guristas 10/10 difficulty level (not serpentis which is almost soloable). Have a nice day.
Rawthorm Gallente The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2008.05.11 13:53:00 - [64] Only problem with upping the dificulty is that you'd essentialy bugger up the drugs trade, which isnt exactly an easy buisness to get into as it is.
Deva Blackfire D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.11 14:09:00 - [65] Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 11/05/2008 14:09:39 Originally by: Rawthorm Only problem with upping the dificulty is that you'd essentialy bugger up the drugs trade, which isnt exactly an easy buisness to get into as it is. Thats why the best way is to remove deadspace loot drops altogether. Plex still is easy enough for people interested in running for booster BPCs to "farm" them but it doesnt hit market with cheap (and abundant) a-type mods. And face it - if this plex dropped only booster BPCs the amount of people running it 24/7 would drop to 1/10th or less. EDIT: o yea you prolly know my alt Amizu :) so guess i have clue here :)
celada1 Caldari Madison Industrial Co. Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.05.11 14:31:00 - [66] Originally by: Deva Blackfire Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 10/05/2008 12:44:39 Originally by: celada1 I vote for upping the difficulty >:) To guristas 10/10 difficulty level (not serpentis which is almost soloable). Have a nice day. The guristas is only a pita because of the final citadel em thorpedo not a mayor problem :)
Kasheem Cetanes The Scope	Posted - 2008.05.12 00:31:00 - [67] Edited by: Kasheem Cetanes on 12/05/2008 00:33:17 I am Kasheem Cetanes, I can confirm everything that was said was true, with one exception, I know that the cosmos complex in tenal and the complex in vale of the silent both drop pith A-type loot? How do I know this? Because for almost 4 months, I ran these complexes when I could, and easily, made over 30 billion isk. Edit: I did it with a normal fit raven, and a logistic battleship. You can solo the serpentis ones with like, a vaga, the one in assilot drops core a-type.
Rat Scout Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.05.12 06:58:00 - [68] what a shame. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________
DarkkTalon	Posted - 2008.05.16 20:06:00 - [69] Excellent post on the 0.0 COSMOS. However, I'm curious if there are any profitable sites to run in empire 0.5 COSMOS space? Has anyone checked this out? thinking specifically Araz in Amarr space since it's close to home. Any info would be helpful, thanks!
powers sellers	Posted - 2008.05.28 20:55:00 - [70] Hello I tried many time this site but i don't found a good fiiting for to do that quickly. I can do it with an scorpion with big tank it's very long. I don't found the good fitting for to do that with an cerberus. Do u have an idea of fittig for to do that ? Thnak you at all for idea
Erenis Takthor	Posted - 2008.05.29 19:01:00 - [71] Edited by: Erenis Takthor on 29/05/2008 19:01:38 Just to clarify..; Do you need hacking to activate the gates ro the overseer or not? Thx,
powers sellers	Posted - 2008.05.30 08:23:00 - [72] yes u need hacking at lvl 1 for to do this plex
sliver 0xD exiles.	Posted - 2008.05.30 11:17:00 - [73] Assilot- Core A-Type - this has been my baby for a few months from the time i joined youwhat up to the time we were done with d2. after that ive supported bob in the south vs ra/goon and i spend my time when i was not fighitng and fixing stations in the 760-9C - Gist A-Type constelation. i know this looks kinda fishy posting this info. but ive moved on after wasteing my time away in these constelations. there wasnt any option otherwise anyway. around the time i came back from bob space assilot became infested with isk farmers. the isk farmers are not like me or jim. there opoerateing on a profecional level. buying up accounts to spread out over the galaxys cosmos sites. by leaving there account online in the plex they hold down the plex for themselfs doing this profecionaly 23/7 and this for the last 6 months uninterupted. ive spoken with one of these cloakers. and he could not speak any word english. his posts on this forum showed however that he could talk enlish in a level that even impressed me. obviously he bought the account. i find it odd that a player can spend 23/7 for 6 months cloaked in a plex without interuption. this player must be without a job. and without any intrest of playing this game like it should be. i wonder where the bilions of isk go to. if you look at it 2 bil a day with the current isk value of 350mil for a 50euro gtc this person should make about 250 euro a day. i can live without the plex. but i have a hard time accepting someone is farming the plex profecionaly for 6months :P --- Somebody needs a hug!
sliver 0xD exiles.	Posted - 2008.05.30 11:22:00 - [74] assilot & pegasus serpentis is soloable, verry verry easy. ishtar plex pvp ready. fethabolis angel is soloable but a bit harder. sacralige but 2 litle dps to makeit fast. --- Somebody needs a hug!
Erenis Takthor	Posted - 2008.05.30 15:10:00 - [75] It's a shame really that those farmers are still around, spoiling the hard work of other explorers (yea its even more boring then mining, you should try it if you haven't already). I wonder if CCP cant put somekinda "natural" hindering in the complex to avoid cloaking(like a gas cloud (no not the ladar ones) or such) this combined with allowing despawning when the player is in the same grid as the gate would make it only fair to every player our there. BTW in my experience there are lots of unknown plexes around these cosmos consellations... are they worth tracking down? Just my 0.02 isk,
Ulstan	Posted - 2008.05.30 18:21:00 - [76] Sounds like a trivially easy solution would be to say : no cloaking in these complexes.
Alexa Violet Doom Generation Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.05.30 20:35:00 - [77] Or....remove deadspace loot from these plexes
MiIitary Genius	Posted - 2008.05.30 22:33:00 - [78] Who's surprised that there are people farming plexes ... c'mon, anyone? anyone? (possible/probable russians - they have history with the whole plex farming thing) CCP ballsed up the static plexes (which were exploited by the russians, iirc some of them got permabanned), they promised that these new plexes would solve that farming problem. AFK cloaking which has ****ed off people for ages in station/mining systems is used to lock the plexes, farming plexes is once again live and well ... CCP really need to fix AFK cloaking and everyone will be happy. Just leave the rewards as now, but make sure that each gate is opened by a key (and once opened it stays open) and that key is dropped by a random spawn in the current room .. that will guarantee plenty of fights in the plexes. Thats what the game is about right? pvping over resources? When my main was in LV there used to be plenty of cat and mouse with the russians in 77s and even the odd fight. You should have seen the mods on some of those ships, the tank faction fitted with the best kit money could buy (boss used to do absolutely rediculous damage in bursts)
methodmo Free Lapland The Kadeshi	Posted - 2008.05.31 07:10:00 - [79] that list of cov ops plex campers isnt correct...they r not all one guy... secondly any off those plexes take about 4 minutes to run and with an uber prober 5 mins to find as soon as u have the radar hit with your multi vaga,ishtar.cerb r the best ships to plex in.... and to catch one of those afk cloakers u simply wait till after dt with 2 dictors..one at entrance and one at second entrance cuz that is where the cov opses always end up(90% of the time) if the plex is unfinished...
sliver 0xD exiles. The Kadeshi	Posted - 2008.05.31 19:43:00 - [80] Edited by: sliver 0xD on 31/05/2008 19:44:17 Originally by: muravey Wrong. All plexes now striked by one isk addicted man. Нe have above then 20 chars and trying to press out others from them, by dropping covops inside them 24/7. I think he is try to make time windows in each plex for non-stop farming in future by himself. I sure he use more than one computer for that, to keep 2-3 covops afk online and rule 1-3 other his alts. You can easy monitor or compare his time activity from chars who sitting in this plexes. They are: anry dufrain 760-9c bapiop 760-9c captain scyth ok-fem doyouwanna assilot masochistic cannibal assilot tba reborn ok-fem shimaly softpaws e8-csq I am sure this is not full list, there are many support and trade alts, but this it is sufficient for understanding сurrent (intriguing) situation. meth. is right. doyouwanna is not assilot. it should be a ra guy there next to masochistic masochistic cannibal and tba reborn are the same person. masochistic cannibal is not the original char. owner. he was traded and now doesnt speak english but speaks polish. masochistic is the one i know in assilot holding the plex 23/7 --- Somebody needs a hug!
Schena Lone Starr Corporation	Posted - 2008.06.01 01:00:00 - [81] Aye, I found the Assilot COSMOS plex twice, once I was beaten to it by a guy using two cov ops with sisters radar probes and a black ops. The other time I found =ut that my Ishtar pilot couldn't enter the second room without hacking lvl 1. I'm kinda mad about these plexes only spawn within these constellations, they should atleast spawn within the same region or even NPC space (Serpentis = Syndicate, Outer Ring, Cloud Ring, Fountain). Anyway, I hope I'll find the plex again when my alt has hacking lvl 1, to see if I can salvage anything usefull out of it.
Eukalipta	Posted - 2008.06.09 00:10:00 - [82] ^
Kyle Frost Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.09 14:51:00 - [83] I believe one of the previous posters asked about this already, but got no answer. So i am going to repeat the question: Does anyone know if there are similar complexes in the COSMOS constellations in high sec empire space ? ------ Let the gun do the talking...
Deva Blackfire D00M.	Posted - 2008.06.09 15:29:00 - [84] Originally by: Kyle Frost I believe one of the previous posters asked about this already, but got no answer. So i am going to repeat the question: Does anyone know if there are similar complexes in the COSMOS constellations in high sec empire space ? Hahahhahah... No. Nothing even comes close to digital plexes nowadays, not even dyspro moons ;p You can check old farmable static plexes - no idea if CCP fixed em tho. But at most you will get 200mil/day
Kyle Frost Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.09 19:11:00 - [85] Of course, a complex in empire can not compare to a complex in 0.0 in terms of profit. What i meant was, are there complexes in high sec empire which operate on the same principle: found within a Cosmos constellation, 4 rooms , 2 bosses, once you kill the 2 bosses and exit the complex respawns instantly in another system in the same constellation ? ------ Let the gun do the talking...
deathbyfire War Dawgs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.12 00:28:00 - [86] Edited by: deathbyfire on 12/06/2008 00:34:24 Originally by: celada1 Originally by: Deva Blackfire Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 10/05/2008 12:44:39 Originally by: celada1 I vote for upping the difficulty >:) To guristas 10/10 difficulty level (not serpentis which is almost soloable). Have a nice day. The guristas is only a pita because of the final citadel em thorpedo not a mayor problem :) don't forget the fact that the npc that fires the citadel torps has a 150km web that webs for 90%... and one shots non high HP battleships. oh and also fires capital rails that hit for 4k on 90% resists... yeah that is soloable [ 2008.06.04 16:55:21 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Thor Torpedo I belonging to Guristas Pirates hits you, doing 18921.5 damage. lets see a nano ship take that and live... and because of the web you have to tank them. also defenders don't kill the citadel torps. yes you get good faction items from 0.0 plexes but it isn't like it always comes easy
ollobrains2	Posted - 2008.06.12 04:05:00 - [87] i mena if CCP wanted to do something They could make scanning them harder, spawn them about 10 times less frequently maybe 1-2 tiems a week. Add more rats or redisign them to make them better for a small sized gang. We can pretty well assume they are tightly controlled and utilised ( i dont like the word farmed) by those controlling the space and access is probably restricted. On other hand perhaps rewards could be more flakey if the spawn rates were left as is. The plexes could have deeper and more branching trees. low sec rare ones which can yield 400-500m in em. Not as good but if youre more intermeidate player they are reasonable. Not cosmos but the ded ones. Type loot could go in.
Ruddger Omen Incorporated	Posted - 2008.06.12 05:11:00 - [88] Originally by: ollobrains2 i mena if CCP wanted to do something They could make scanning them harder, spawn them about 10 times less frequently maybe 1-2 tiems a week. Add more rats or redisign them to make them better for a small sized gang. We can pretty well assume they are tightly controlled and utilised ( i dont like the word farmed) by those controlling the space and access is probably restricted. On other hand perhaps rewards could be more flakey if the spawn rates were left as is. The plexes could have deeper and more branching trees. low sec rare ones which can yield 400-500m in em. Not as good but if youre more intermeidate player they are reasonable. Not cosmos but the ded ones. Type loot could go in. Or they could take out the overseer and increase the loot drops in the real plex's. This plex is the only source in eve for drug manufacturing material which is near impossible to get at because the farmers cloak up inside to prevent despawn. There is no reason why we need an isk printing factory, and especially no need for it to be in the same plex as an entire industry's resource base.
Juana Morlaine Art of War Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.06.12 08:44:00 - [89] Real fun - people can not run this pelxes, since people who live there run them faster and more efficient or... prevent foreigners from running it. To back it up, ppl in here claim that the others are farming and/or are Russians and/or are one guy pro farmers and/or... All that leads to... "remove Overseer", "remove deadspace loot", "stops drug business",... WTF? Pricing on A-Type and B-Type items look plain fine. drug bpcs also. You guys are simply jealous and greedy bastards. You can not solve it ingame - you lack the balls and patience to do so - why dont you just leave?`
Deva Blackfire D00M.	Posted - 2008.06.12 09:36:00 - [90] Originally by: Juana Morlaine Pricing on A-Type and B-Type items look plain fine - drug bpc pricing also. You guys are simply jealous and greedy bastards. How about conquering the constellations where those spawn? You can not solve it ingame - you lack the balls and patience to do so - why dont you just leave?` Yeah. What was wrong with 10/10 plexes respawning every hour? I mean: prices were balanced and people could solve problems ingame.
Asiel The Baby Sitters	Posted - 2008.06.12 10:05:00 - [91] Originally by: Juana Morlaine Edited by: Juana Morlaine on 12/06/2008 09:20:25 Real fun - players can not run these plexes, since people who live there run them faster and more efficient or... prevent foreigners from running it. To back it up, ppl in here claim that the others are farming and/or are Russians and/or are one guy pro farmers and/or... All that leads to... "remove Overseer", "remove deadspace loot", "stops drug business",... WTF? Pricing on A-Type and B-Type items look plain fine - drug bpc pricing also. You guys are simply jealous and greedy bastards. How about conquering the constellations where those spawn? You can not solve it ingame - you lack the balls and patience to do so - why dont you just leave?` You my dear lady, shouldnt be calling people quite bad names in an open forum in which people can discust the topic of their choise whatever their opinion is. And btw you having to react in this stereotypical way gives me reason to think that you are angry because you think indeed ccp might do something about it in the end because you know the mechanics suck, although i have doubts that you actually really live/have lived in or near these places and you'r just trolling Bye dear gl luck with the attitude problem
Asiel The Baby Sitters	Posted - 2008.06.12 10:42:00 - [92] And the point in changing the mechanics into common exploration : statistically you would still end up with the same amounts of drug bpc's and a-type loot in game, just not in hands of only a few groups or alliance's or even single players as is sugested aswell, but giving people all over eve a chance to hit it big and be able to produce drugs.
Juana Morlaine Art of War Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.06.12 11:18:00 - [93] Originally by: Deva Blackfire Yeah. What was wrong with 10/10 plexes respawning every hour? I mean: prices were balanced and people could solve problems ingame. They respawned every 12 hours before - they respawn instantly now. Go out, find them. Same here - if you lack ability and patience - how about whining somewhere else?
Juana Morlaine Art of War Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.06.12 11:27:00 - [94] Edited by: Juana Morlaine on 12/06/2008 11:27:45 Originally by: Asiel You my dear lady, shouldnt be calling people quite bad names in an open forum in which people can discust the topic of their choise whatever their opinion is. And btw you having to react in this stereotypical way gives me reason to think that you are angry because you think indeed ccp might do something about it in the end because you know the mechanics suck, although i have doubts that you actually really live/have lived in or near these places and you'r just trolling Bye dear gl luck with the attitude problem Dear Asiel, I read your statement with a faint dose of humor. Something which is definitly needed. I am not calling someone names. I explicitly called the people trying to solve this out of game: "greedy bastards". But I now realize, I was wrong: let me elaborate on this. Someone who wants to have it the easy way, but who can not tries to remove it for others. Others, who put time and effort into this to be able to run this plex. There is a name for these specific reasons. The first is jealousy and the second name is greed. Also these people - esspecially in this thread also - do behave asocial, by trying to sound reasonable but yet again all of it is based on jealousy and greed as mentioned before. Also those people are not up for direct confrontation since direct confrontation conflicts with "doing it the easy way". Those people are called "bastards" (acting as if being nice in front, but behaving asocial in reality). Putting these together, I call those people: "jealous, greedy bastards". Thank you for correcting me. In case you do have a problem in me naming thigns and people by their respective name, I wholeheartly invite you to correct me again. Have at thee Juana
Phyrr The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2008.06.12 11:44:00 - [95] These plexes need a nerf. I've run them extensively in the past, It is anti-exploration. Explorers don't farm. These plexes need to start escalating and send you xyz jumps to lala land. Anyone who disagrees is gonna be disappointed when this happens. I am pretty certain that most explorers find this a little disturbing, I did myself while running them in the early days of exploration. There are threads made by people running these everyday who agree it's gotta be nerfed. Join us in the Exploration channel. The odds on me being here are rather slim evolutionary speaking, yet in the infinite bounds of probability my being here is a certainty.
Deva Blackfire D00M.	Posted - 2008.06.12 13:29:00 - [96] Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 12/06/2008 13:30:51 Originally by: Juana Morlaine Originally by: Deva Blackfire Yeah. What was wrong with 10/10 plexes respawning every hour? I mean: prices were balanced and people could solve problems ingame. They respawned every 12 hours before - they respawn instantly now. Go out, find them. Same here - if you lack ability and patience - how about whining somewhere else? Uh? I think you missed about 1 month time when 10/10 plexes were respawning each HOUR not 12 hours. Also 10/10 plexes do respawn instantly - but not within 3-5 jumps from place they were. Also FYI i did manage to nab those Digital plexes and if i wanted to i could EASILY join group that is farming them right now. You know why i wont do this? Because i dislike farming and unbalanced stuff. Other than that its as easy as moving my ship/s 10-15 jumps away. So STFU if you dont have a clue. EDIT: also i agree with guy above. Its not even close to "exploration" when you can be sure same thing will spawn in same place everytime. Its just plain old farming.
Juana Morlaine Art of War Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.06.12 14:06:00 - [97] Edited by: Juana Morlaine on 12/06/2008 14:08:06 Originally by: Deva Blackfire Uh? I think you missed about 1 month time when 10/10 plexes were respawning each HOUR not 12 hours. Also 10/10 plexes do respawn instantly - but not within 3-5 jumps from place they were. You are right, I apparently really missed that time. Originally by: Deva Blackfire Also FYI i did manage to nab those Digital plexes and if i wanted to i could EASILY join group that is farming them right now. You know why i wont do this? Because i dislike farming and unbalanced stuff. Other than that its as easy as moving my ship/s 10-15 jumps away. So STFU if you dont have a clue. What is farming? The ones who do exploration 23/7? People who do exploration 23/7 only looking for Radar in 0.0? People who do exploration 23/7 only looking for Unknown in lowsec? People who do exploration looking for Cosmos plex in Cosmos constellations? Thinking about your post, I ocnsider your view heavily biased. In fact I doubt you could go to a Cosmos plex anytime you wanted to. Originally by: Deva Blackfire also i agree with guy above. Its not even close to "exploration" when you can be sure same thing will spawn in same place everytime. Its just plain old farming. 1. It does not spawn in the same place everytime. 2. None actually knows, if and which sites spawn within constellation, region or sovereignity. Just because you know it for these Cosmos, does not include those are the only ones. 3. Stating it is that easy makes you look like a fool. I gladly elaborate on this statement: Firstly sites spawn randomly all the time, including new Radar sites. Secondly these sites are harder to find than 4/10 and 6/10 in lowsec. Thirdly - even at maximum skills with all implants the time to find a site after a quest hit might be 10-15 minutes at decent skills. But the time needed for a Quest hit is on average much higher. Even with a triple bubble layout, the chance for a hit is below 15%, average at 5% - 7.5%. So you actually need to do exploration. Putting these points together prooves my previous point. Wrong claims make you look like a fool. Yours Juana
Deva Blackfire D00M.	Posted - 2008.06.12 14:26:00 - [98] 1. they spawn within same constellation = around 5 systems to check. 2. almost noone cares about sites which cant be farmed 24/7. tell me who will run around searching for 10/10 plexes scanning whole regions when he can sit in ONE constellation and get SURE plex which drops 9/10 loot yet having 5/10 difficulty. And the "noone knows which spawn and where"... wrong. After 100's (tho its getting closer to 1000's now) scans you can start to get info what spawns where. Its all about statistics. 3. It is easy unless you dont have brain and try to make it harder. And even if you hit "normal" radar site you can clear it within 5 minutes thus removing "false" signature. Also when you are blocking plex what else is there to do? And having "sit there, repeat scan click" is not exploration. Otherwise you can call mining exploration because both need same amount of skill (after you have probe placement developed). And saying that "everything is fine, im farming it allright" doesnt mean everything is fine.
Juana Morlaine Art of War Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.06.12 15:08:00 - [99] Edited by: Juana Morlaine on 12/06/2008 15:08:57 Originally by: Deva Blackfire 1. they spawn within same constellation = around 5 systems to check. 2. almost noone cares about sites which cant be farmed 24/7. tell me who will run around searching for 10/10 plexes scanning whole regions when he can sit in ONE constellation and get SURE plex which drops 9/10 loot yet having 5/10 difficulty. And the "noone knows which spawn and where"... wrong. After 100's (tho its getting closer to 1000's now) scans you can start to get info what spawns where. Its all about statistics. 3. It is easy unless you dont have brain and try to make it harder. And even if you hit "normal" radar site you can clear it within 5 minutes thus removing "false" signature. Also when you are blocking plex what else is there to do? And having "sit there, repeat scan click" is not exploration. Otherwise you can call mining exploration because both need same amount of skill (after you have probe placement developed). And saying that "everything is fine, im farming it allright" doesnt mean everything is fine. You took the chance to ignore some major points. 1. Radar sites in 0.0 are easily farmable. The average Radar in 0.0 yields something around 20 Mill - 900 Mill a run - based on chance for base 3 and base 4 sites. Actually those are easier and faster to find than said Cosmos plex. Also considering that the desert space ship or mainframe sites are extremly common here. 2. Unknown sites in lowsec are easily farmable too. I refrain from details here, but when smart - one can easily net 50 Mill - 900 Mill a run over several stages. 3. Said Cosmos plex has a "stupid" drop rate, which is more like: 30-40 % no drop, 20 - 50 % stupid crap drops and rest a decent drop. As a result the Cosmos nets something along the line of 40Mill - 500 Mill a run (depending on stuff and plex type). Only exception here are Gist drops, which are on high demand by players (where for Gist the revenue is much higher). One either calls all the above farming or none of each. Picking just one is a biased view and imho unacceptable for constructive suggestions. Putting these together I do feel the Cosmos is inline, the only difference being: it favors the players having sovereignity. Considering all that I feel that greed and jealousy drives players for weird postings here. Greed and jealousy is something I heavily oppose in a game which is based on a cooperative player base. Juana
Asiel The Baby Sitters	Posted - 2008.06.12 16:24:00 - [100] Originally by: Juana Morlaine Edited by: Juana Morlaine on 12/06/2008 15:08:57 Originally by: Deva Blackfire 1. they spawn within same constellation = around 5 systems to check. 2. almost noone cares about sites which cant be farmed 24/7. tell me who will run around searching for 10/10 plexes scanning whole regions when he can sit in ONE constellation and get SURE plex which drops 9/10 loot yet having 5/10 difficulty. And the "noone knows which spawn and where"... wrong. After 100's (tho its getting closer to 1000's now) scans you can start to get info what spawns where. Its all about statistics. 3. It is easy unless you dont have brain and try to make it harder. And even if you hit "normal" radar site you can clear it within 5 minutes thus removing "false" signature. Also when you are blocking plex what else is there to do? And having "sit there, repeat scan click" is not exploration. Otherwise you can call mining exploration because both need same amount of skill (after you have probe placement developed). And saying that "everything is fine, im farming it allright" doesnt mean everything is fine. You took the chance to ignore some major points. 1. Radar sites in 0.0 are easily farmable. The average Radar in 0.0 yields something around 20 Mill - 900 Mill a run - based on chance for base 3 and base 4 sites. Actually those are easier and faster to find than said Cosmos plex. Also considering that the desert space ship or mainframe sites are extremly common here. 2. Unknown sites in lowsec are easily farmable too. I refrain from details here, but when smart - one can easily net 50 Mill - 900 Mill a run over several stages. 3. Said Cosmos plex has a "stupid" drop rate, which is more like: 30-40 % no drop, 20 - 50 % stupid crap drops and rest a decent drop. As a result the Cosmos nets something along the line of 40Mill - 500 Mill a run (depending on stuff and plex type). Only exception here are Gist drops, which are on high demand by players (where for Gist the revenue is much higher). One either calls all the above farming or none of each. Picking just one is a biased view and imho unacceptable for constructive suggestions. Putting these together I do feel the Cosmos is inline, the only difference being: it favors the players having sovereignity. Considering all that I feel that greed and jealousy drives players for weird postings here. Greed and jealousy is something I heavily oppose in a game which is based on a cooperative player base. Juana im not trying to remove it for others in fact im trying to get it acsesable for the whole the 0.0 population, and in matters of greed, you dont see me sitting in a cosmos plex cloaked 23/7 altho i could. I've seen it, done it and found it could be improved, sorry for having an opinion of my own which i think you lack and being narrow minded as you are i think you overlook the point that its prolly your own greed that gets you so upset that you should be judging whoever is a basterd or not
Juana Morlaine Art of War Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.06.12 16:59:00 - [101] Edited by: Juana Morlaine on 12/06/2008 17:00:01 Dear Asiel, trying to blur facts might work with others - unfortunately not with me. Cheap attempt from your side. That said, let us look at your post: Originally by: Asiel im not trying to remove it for others in fact im trying to get it acsesable for the whole the 0.0 population It is accessible for all - not even limited to 0.0 population. Claiming different is a blatant lie. Originally by: Asiel in matters of greed, you dont see me sitting in a cosmos plex cloaked 23/7 altho i could. 1. CCP stated several times that afk cloaked camping is a viable ingame tactic. As much as some hate it - the same I did hate it when faced with it. It is the way it is. 2. There is a way around, which needs dedication that easy. 3. greed has nothing to do with afk cloak camping. Putting those two together prooves that you got no clue on what is going on. Originally by: Asiel I've seen it, done it and found it could be improved, sorry for having an opinion of my own which i think you lack and being narrow minded Well if you could actually read and comprehend (mark me both at once) you would realize my beforementioned examples. You instead behave narrow minded, focused on the Cosmos plex. Additionally it seems that this topic makes you feel emo esspecially when reading my posts. In fact you reassured me, that I aim at the right ones when talking about "jealous greedy bastards". This esspecially includes you. Let us assume you were not. In that case you could reflect on 0.0 radar sites and lowsec unknowns which I mentioned as an example before. Instead there are only these Cosmos pelxes; making you look with jealousy at those who put time and effort into it to be able to run it. If you want to change something make it within its context and reasonable - but wait: that is not what you are looking for. Others do something where you are not willing to put time and effort into doing it yourself. JFK said: "we climb the moon not because it is easy but because it is hard". For you it needs to be easy without any respect for the time and effort others put into it - which exists even though you dont see it. Your general attitude is disgusting and thus I wholeheartly include you in my statement about greed, jealousy and bastards. Have at thee. Juana
Deva Blackfire D00M.	Posted - 2008.06.12 17:16:00 - [102] Originally by: Juana Morlaine 3. Said Cosmos plex has a "stupid" drop rate, which is more like: 30-40 % no drop, 20 - 50 % stupid crap drops and rest a decent drop. As a result the Cosmos nets something along the line of 40Mill - 500 Mill a run (depending on stuff and plex type). Only exception here are Gist drops, which are on high demand by players (where for Gist the revenue is much higher). WTS: 8x Pith A-type Shield Boost Amplifier 4x Pith A-type X-Large Shield Booster 5x Pith A-type Large Shield Booster Pith A-type hardeners - you want them in packages? because i dont have time to sell each one separately. 2 weeks with 2-3 runs per day. Total around 6bil. Not bad for 15-20 runs. But as you say: they are bad and worthless and PERFECTLY balanced. Btw: wtb another plex location, who needs dyspo moons nowadays.
Emeline Cabernet Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.12 17:17:00 - [103] Edited by: Emeline Cabernet on 12/06/2008 17:17:50 "Well if you could actually read and comprehend" This is a joke right? As you, Juana, completely missed what he is saying. COMPLETELY. And if you cant see that this plex is broken then you are even more ******** then i first thought. ban 07's
Juana Morlaine Art of War Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.06.12 17:25:00 - [104] Originally by: Deva Blackfire WTS: 8x Pith A-type Shield Boost Amplifier 4x Pith A-type X-Large Shield Booster 5x Pith A-type Large Shield Booster Pith A-type hardeners - you want them in packages? because i dont have time to sell each one separately. 2 weeks with 2-3 runs per day. Total around 6bil. Not bad for 15-20 runs. But as you say: they are bad and worthless and PERFECTLY balanced. Btw: wtb another plex location, who needs dyspo moons nowadays. Nothing on market by you. Maybe a mysterious alt you didnt mention? You Sir: either back it up - or just be shown to all who you are.
Juana Morlaine Art of War Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.06.12 17:28:00 - [105] Originally by: Emeline Cabernet Edited by: Emeline Cabernet on 12/06/2008 17:17:50 "Well if you could actually read and comprehend" This is a joke right? As you, Juana, completely missed what he is saying. COMPLETELY. And if you cant see that this plex is broken then you are even more ******** then i first thought. ban 07's I fail to find any new addition to this thread by you. Why so emo? So jealous? Greed eats you from within?
Asiel The Baby Sitters	Posted - 2008.06.12 17:51:00 - [106] rofl juana, did your older brother open this account for you or what ?
Juana Morlaine Art of War Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.06.12 18:02:00 - [107] Originally by: Asiel rofl juana, did your older brother open this account for you or what ? Just because I do not believe everythign someone says on boards? Like on CAOD? It is on CAOD thus its true? If you cant argue - why are you here? Juana
Asiel The Baby Sitters	Posted - 2008.06.12 18:08:00 - [108] Edited by: Asiel on 12/06/2008 18:11:25 Originally by: Juana Morlaine Originally by: Asiel rofl juana, did your older brother open this account for you or what ? Just because I do not believe everythign someone says on boards? Like on CAOD? It is on CAOD thus its true? If you cant argue - why are you here? Juana no not because of that, just the way you reason its starting to be amusing. and yes sure you can argue i bet you argue all the time. just be nice to the baby sitter tonight :)
Juana Morlaine Art of War Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.06.12 18:21:00 - [109] Originally by: Asiel no not because of that, just the way you reason its starting to be amusing. and yes sure you can argue i bet you argue all the time. just be nice to the baby sitter tonight :) Only just because I name things by its real name? I mean cmon: if it is laying on the ground, is brown, warm,.... it got a name - why not use it? If people in an environment which is meant to be cooperative behave contraproductive: why not call them by the name of what they do? Just because it is not nice to state the truth? They say: you can offer the truth to people like some medicine on a spoon with honey, but you can also hit it in someone elses face like a wet towel. Just because I prefer the wet towel does not turn the truth into a lie. That easy. That said - the reason for the op to start this was apaprently frustration - being unable to run those plexes since others were more dedicated. A reason to enrage others to voice his anger and hopefully change something. I say: if you are not willing to invest time and be dedicated, then you do not deserve to run these plexes. In fact it is not easy at all - due to other players - . There is still WoW though... Juana
Asiel The Baby Sitters	Posted - 2008.06.12 18:25:00 - [110] "trying to blur facts might work with others - unfortunately not with me. Cheap attempt from your side." give it up Juana go back to school
Deva Blackfire D00M.	Posted - 2008.06.12 18:45:00 - [111] Originally by: Juana Morlaine Originally by: Deva Blackfire WTS: 8x Pith A-type Shield Boost Amplifier 4x Pith A-type X-Large Shield Booster 5x Pith A-type Large Shield Booster Pith A-type hardeners - you want them in packages? because i dont have time to sell each one separately. 2 weeks with 2-3 runs per day. Total around 6bil. Not bad for 15-20 runs. But as you say: they are bad and worthless and PERFECTLY balanced. Btw: wtb another plex location, who needs dyspo moons nowadays. Nothing on market by you. Maybe a mysterious alt you didnt mention? You Sir: either back it up - or just be shown to all who you are. Why should i flood market (escrow) like all stupid newbs? There are other means of selling mods - directly to people who need em. You want some? Just convo ingame. If no - then buzz off and dont bother me.
Juana Morlaine Art of War Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.06.12 18:51:00 - [112] Originally by: Deva Blackfire Why should i flood market (escrow) like all stupid newbs? There are other means of selling mods - directly to people who need em. You want some? Just convo ingame. If no - then buzz off and dont bother me. Put them on auction for all to see. Not a single on on auction. Do not lie to me, since I realize when you do. Your attitude is what I oppose too. Juana
Asiel The Baby Sitters	Posted - 2008.06.12 18:54:00 - [113] Edited by: Asiel on 12/06/2008 18:54:41 Jealousy ?
Deva Blackfire D00M.	Posted - 2008.06.12 18:57:00 - [114] Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 12/06/2008 18:58:50 Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 12/06/2008 18:58:04 Originally by: Asiel Edited by: Asiel on 12/06/2008 18:54:41 Jealousy ? Seems so. Pretty much: if he wants items he can convo and ill sell. If he doesnt want - i cba to put it for him on view so he can be "fulfilled forum warrior". EDIT: oh yea - i should be ingame at around 22-24 eve time. Othet than that you can always mail.
Juana Morlaine Art of War Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.06.12 19:33:00 - [115] Originally by: Asiel Edited by: Asiel on 12/06/2008 18:54:41 Jealousy ? As you might imagine from my post I am very jealous on all COSMOS plex runners. I am very pretty purrrty much. Yours Juana
Juana Morlaine Art of War Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.06.12 19:42:00 - [116] Edited by: Juana Morlaine on 12/06/2008 19:43:04 Originally by: Deva Blackfire Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 12/06/2008 18:58:50 Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 12/06/2008 18:58:04 Originally by: Asiel Edited by: Asiel on 12/06/2008 18:54:41 Jealousy ? Seems so. Pretty much: if he wants items he can convo and ill sell. If he doesnt want - i cba to put it for him on view so he can be "fulfilled forum warrior". EDIT: oh yea - i should be ingame at around 22-24 eve time. Othet than that you can always mail. You gloat about it, acting as if - contrary to you I dont need that kind of attention whoring. No matter if you can or not. Anyways - thanks for the info that the Venal/Tenal site needs caring ;) Cya in space Juana
Asiel The Baby Sitters	Posted - 2008.06.12 19:42:00 - [117] "Put them on auction for all to see. Not a single on on auction. Do not lie to me," greed ? continue and you might find you fit "my statement about greed, jealousy and bastards."
Juana Morlaine Art of War Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.06.12 19:45:00 - [118] Originally by: Asiel "Put them on auction for all to see. Not a single on on auction. Do not lie to me," greed ? continue and you might find you fit "my statement about greed, jealousy and bastards." Disbelief in someone trying to look veritable as if? Its on CAOD thus its true...? Juana
Deva Blackfire D00M.	Posted - 2008.06.12 20:48:00 - [119] Originally by: Juana Morlaine You gloat about it, acting as if - contrary to you I dont need that kind of attention whoring. No matter if you can or not. Anyways - thanks for the info that the Venal/Tenal site needs caring ;) Venal has no farmable sites Tenal is farmed by 1 russky atm i think - so easy to compete there (and lol @ razor - "those plexes dont give any isk", hi Kuso) Vale is overcrowded
Ruddger Omen Incorporated	Posted - 2008.06.13 03:30:00 - [120] Edited by: Ruddger on 13/06/2008 03:32:29 Originally by: Deva Blackfire Venal has no farmable sites Tenal is farmed by 1 russky atm i think - so easy to compete there (and lol @ razor - "those plexes dont give any isk", hi Kuso) Vale is overcrowded And Juana now has a station 9 jumps from the Pegasus digital plex. Sorry though Juana that one only drops B types which are much harder to sell. And Woman Scorned / Tamanier + Blanca / Deadra have dibs.
Juana Morlaine Art of War Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.06.13 07:50:00 - [121] Originally by: Ruddger And Juana now has a station 9 jumps from the Pegasus digital plex. Sorry though Juana that one only drops B types which are much harder to sell. And Woman Scorned / Tamanier + Blanca / Deadra have dibs. 1. I am one jump from it, not 9. Get your info straight. 2. Pegasus is only one of ... I visit. If you want to spew information do it right or do not bother at all.
Phyrr The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2008.06.13 11:06:00 - [122] Edited by: Phyrr on 13/06/2008 11:08:09 Originally by: Juana Morlaine Originally by: Asiel "Put them on auction for all to see. Not a single on on auction. Do not lie to me," greed ? continue and you might find you fit "my statement about greed, jealousy and bastards." Disbelief in someone trying to look veritable as if? Its on CAOD thus its true...? Juana You are just inflammatory and defensive give it up and discuss the topic. If you were right you wouldn't need to degrade into flaming others. The plexes will get nerfed, if you can't see it then you are blind. Your point on "conquering" them was what was said by people of your view on static DED's and look where they went... From RP point of view, why would rats stay in the same constellation if they get owned every day. Expect these sites to move to escalation. I'll put isk on it. Better start looking for another form of farmable income, I hear Jita is good this time of year, best part is you don't even have to undock. Join us in the Exploration channel. The odds on me being here are rather slim evolutionary speaking, yet in the infinite bounds of probability my being here is a certainty.
Ruddger Omen Incorporated	Posted - 2008.06.13 11:27:00 - [123] Originally by: Juana Morlaine Originally by: Ruddger And Juana now has a station 9 jumps from the Pegasus digital plex. Sorry though Juana that one only drops B types which are much harder to sell. And Woman Scorned / Tamanier + Blanca / Deadra have dibs. 1. I am one jump from it, not 9. Get your info straight. 2. Pegasus is only one of ... I visit. If you want to spew information do it right or do not bother at all. That PL may have given you docking rights is very nice for you, but the CI station, 7BX, is how many jumps from Pegasus? That you visit many ... certainly takes the bias out of your, I suppose we can call it an argument. But the angry kid approach works for you, so run with it.
Juana Morlaine Art of War Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.06.13 13:12:00 - [124] Originally by: Phyrr You are just inflammatory and defensive give it up and discuss the topic. Boy, I might be alot but for sure not defensive. You do not even know the meaning of the words you are using. If you try to flame someone do it right or be burned while trying. Originally by: Phyrr If you were right you wouldn't need to degrade into flaming others. Since you apparently lack the patience to read I write it just for you: I do not need to flame. I just call thigns by their respective name. Your name is "Troll". Up to this point you did not bring any numbers, nor arguments about the topic. Something I did - I guess you do not see a pattern in your very own posting. Hence the name Troll. Originally by: Phyrr The plexes will get nerfed, if you can't see it then you are blind. Boy, I missed those patch notes. Not everythign you dream of is real. Mark me: there is a difference. Originally by: Phyrr Your point on "conquering" them was what was said by people of your view on static DED's and look where they went... Boy, you are interpreting stuff that happened and mixed it with stuff written on this forum by players as well as with your own opinion. See a pattern Troll? Just for you: even DED plexes respawn immediatly now. From current observation they are tied to at least sovereignity and more likely even region. thus someone conquering a region most likely did the same with the DED pelxes spawning there. So I can look at where they went - you did not boy, didnt you? Originally by: Phyrr From RP point of view, why would rats stay in the same constellation if they get owned every day. Expect these sites to move to escalation. I'll put isk on it. Boy if you lack arguments (I still fail to see arguments worth a cent by you so far) - you now need to stress your idea of RP? Reality check? These forums are not your wet dreams come true. Go troll forth in your cage - over there. Originally by: Phyrr Better start looking for another form of farmable income, I hear Jita is good this time of year, best part is you don't even have to undock. Boy - who left your Troll cage door open? Didnt find food? Go back - gogogoooo. The Troll is strong in you - come back when you found an argument somewhere. You might identify those by reason. Have at thee Yours Juana
Juana Morlaine Art of War Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.06.13 13:23:00 - [125] Apart from the Troll and some attempts at flaming is anyone in here for sane reasoning? Back to the points I raised: 1. 0.0 Radar exploration is as profitable if not more in isk/hour than these Cosmos plexes 2. lowsec Unkown exploration is as profitable if not more in isk/hour than these Cosmos plexes 3. if you got familiar with 0.0 unknown exploration it will be by far more profitable for a duo of two players than these Cosmos plexes. I even gave numbers, somethign which none in here cared about. In my book this is an extremly narrow-minded view. A view focused on Deadspace items perceived as easily obtainable - which they are not (aka Cosmos plex). Even if you got alot of those, you can not even sell those in masses. A point which has not been raised either. To me this general attitude of posters in here prooves my point - about some players just beeing greedy, jealous and well - bastards. Terms I elaborated on before. Anyone up for some sane discussion now? Yours Juana
Ruddger Omen Incorporated	Posted - 2008.06.13 13:49:00 - [126] Originally by: Juana Morlaine Apart from the Troll and some attempts at flaming is anyone in here for sane reasoning? Back to the points I raised: 1. 0.0 Radar exploration is as profitable if not more in isk/hour than these Cosmos plexes 2. lowsec Unkown exploration is as profitable if not more in isk/hour than these Cosmos plexes 3. if you got familiar with 0.0 unknown exploration it will be by far more profitable for a duo of two players than these Cosmos plexes. 1. Proof? Numbers? Time vs profits? 2. Proof? Seriously, I don't even need proof, just a taste of anything to back this claim up. 3. I'm not sure what you are saying here. Quote: I even gave numbers, somethign which none in here cared about. In my book this is an extremly narrow-minded view. A view focused on Deadspace items perceived as easily obtainable - which they are not (aka Cosmos plex). Even if you got alot of those, you can not even sell those in masses. A point which has not been raised either. No, you made up a bunch of numbers. Once. Completely unsupported by anything. Quote: To me this general attitude of posters in here prooves my point - about some players just beeing greedy, jealous and well - bastards. Terms I elaborated on before. Anyone up for some sane discussion now? Yours Juana The language that you use and have used only reflects on your self. You have yet to discuss anything. I'd refer you back to your first post in this thread as its indicative of your attitude and ability.
Juana Morlaine Art of War Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.06.13 14:04:00 - [127] Edited by: Juana Morlaine on 13/06/2008 14:04:07 Originally by: Ruddger The language that you use <snipped babble of someone who apparently never did exploration> Originally by: Juana Morlaine Anyone up for some sane discussion now? Boy I know it is difficult, but that invitation on a discussion explicitly did not include you - hush - cage over there.
Deva Blackfire D00M.	Posted - 2008.06.13 14:07:00 - [128] Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 13/06/2008 14:09:19 Quote: 1. 0.0 Radar exploration is as profitable if not more in isk/hour than these Cosmos plexes 2. lowsec Unkown exploration is as profitable if not more in isk/hour than these Cosmos plexes 3. if you got familiar with 0.0 unknown exploration it will be by far more profitable for a duo of two players than these Cosmos plexes. 1. no, radars can barely get you 500mil isk IF you are VERY lucky. And then said radar plex will NOT give you enough components to build all 4-5 runs of ship interfaces. Plus dream on - interfaces are still rare enough and with similiar drop ratio to cosmos plex. 2. no, because lowsec unknowns dont respawn within same area constantly. They do move around whole lowsec so it is possible to clear entirely one region thus ya need to move to another region 3. no, because they take much more time. To run one expedition you need as much time as its needed to run 4-6 digital plexes. Even with "poor drop ratio" as you say (which is around 60% compared to around 30% for 10/10 DED) its much better than ANY expedition. Numbers please if you think its otherwise. EDIT: and the only troll here is you FYI. You never managed to state any facts just random speculations w/o any confirmation.
Alexa Violet Doom Generation	Posted - 2008.06.13 14:09:00 - [129] Originally by: Juana Morlaine 1. 0.0 Radar exploration is as profitable if not more in isk/hour than these Cosmos plexes 2. lowsec Unknown exploration is as profitable if not more in isk/hour than these Cosmos plexes 3. if you got familiar with 0.0 unknown exploration it will be by far more profitable for a duo of two players than these Cosmos plexes. Why aren't you doing 0.0 radar exploration or unknown exploration then if it is by far more profitable? Don't tell me that running the same plex for the 1204025215th time is fun. Also, how one earns 900 mil from a single radar plex is beyond me, it was possible back then when ship interfaces were selling for 500+ mil, but now? Farming unknown plexes in low sec is possible how? One may or may not find a 6/10 plex and thats it and can scan for a whole day, on the other hand you know for sure you will find one specific plex in cosmos const. Then you have expeditions, which can give some reward, but takes quite some time, so definitely not bringing same or better isk/hour, because of the time it takes for one to complete. Same stands for 0.0 exploration except there is a chance for higher lvl DED plexes and expeditions, but those again take a lot more time to complete than that cosmos plex. Then i ask you again, why are you doing that same cosmos plex over and over again, if all those other options you listed offer better isk/hour profitability? Best Regards
Juana Morlaine Art of War Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.06.13 14:42:00 - [130] Edited by: Juana Morlaine on 13/06/2008 14:43:46 Edited by: Juana Morlaine on 13/06/2008 14:42:36 Originally by: Deva Blackfire 1. no, radars can barely get you 500mil isk IF you are VERY lucky. And then said radar plex will NOT give you enough components to build all 4-5 runs of ship interfaces. Plus dream on - interfaces are still rare enough and with similiar drop ratio to cosmos plex. In response to you: - Over the past few weeks I am at an average of 1 ship interface for each two radar sites - base 3 and base 4 are easier to find than the Cosmos radar (sig str) - Radar in 0.0 are in general not contested by players As a matter of fact you can run a lot more Radar plexes on average than the Cosmos. Originally by: Deva Blackfire 2. no, because lowsec unknowns dont respawn within same area constantly. They do move around whole lowsec so it is possible to clear entirely one region thus ya need to move to another region In response to yours: - first of all I never saw a region empty of a specific type of signatures. So far I only saw constellations cleaned of signatures. Up until now overall stand in exploration channel is: We do not know if signatures are tied to sovereignity, regions or several constellations. Only for Cosmos Radar it is well known. If it is true that one can empty a whole region, the exploration community would love to know for sure. But I highly doubt it, since chances are also slim to achieve it - even if true. Thus I dispute your point here. - it is well known that specific lowsec constellations are "rich" in regards to amount of signatures. - lowsec unknwon signatures of interest range from 0.11 - 0.36 signature strength on quests on decent skills and implants. That is - for the best ones - already more than twice to chance to find those comapred to Cosmos radar. Effectively resulting in the chance to hit them in less than 50% of the time you need on Cosmos plexes. - lowsec unknowns are not tied to specific types in regards to decent drops. It is a: if it is not a drone site, you got decent isk ahead. Thus you do not need to look for DED plexes or specific signatures - no drone and you will find faction and deadspace mobs. Drop rate is similar to the Cosmos plexes. - in more than 50% of the cases drone plexes in a system "hide" a non-drone unknown signature. Thus even the time spent on tracking a drone plex is not lost either. As a matter of fact I dispute your "No". Originally by: Deva Blackfire 3. no, because they take much more time. To run one expedition you need as much time as its needed to run 4-6 digital plexes. Even with "poor drop ratio" as you say (which is around 60% compared to around 30% for 10/10 DED) its much better than ANY expedition. You missed to mention additional information: - not each drop is of as much value in Cosmos as your 60% suggests. - I highly doubt that drop rate in DED are different from the Cosmos. Simply since Overseer = Overseer. To the system it doesnt matter if it sits in a Cosmos or non-Cosmos plex. You know it - I know it. - in regards to scan unknowns in 0.0: I am not willing to offer a cooking recipe here. I mentioned it simply since those who do them know what I refer to. - You comparing the time to run a Cosmos plex to scan time of an unknown is probably a mistake. Simply since you need to scan those Cosmos plexes too. Let us have a look: 5-8 solar systems results in an average of 4 systems to scan to find the site. Does one find an unknown in 0.0 in at least one out of 4 systems? My experience says yes. Is the sig strength so much different from the Cosmos plexes? In general: yes - except DED 8/10 and 10/10 the unknown sigs in 0.0 tend to be higher in 0.0, thus faster to track down. We could go on, but admittedly unknown 0.0 sites are hard to have a positive time vs isk ratio compared to the Cosmos plex, unless you know exactly what and how you do it. Whereas the "how to" is way mroe difficult than the Cosmos plex. Questions?
Juana Morlaine Art of War Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.06.13 14:56:00 - [131] Edited by: Juana Morlaine on 13/06/2008 14:58:14 Dear Alexa, I am sorry but I do have the impression that your experience here is existant but limited. That said let me elaborate on your post: Originally by: Alexa Violet Why aren't you doing 0.0 radar exploration or unknown exploration then if it is by far more profitable? Don't tell me that running the same plex for the 1204025215th time is fun. In fact I do them all. Cosmos plex, 0.0 Radar and lowsec unknown (edit: by mistake I had 0.0 unkown written here - in fact I do not care for 0.0 unknown right now since I lack a partner. I do however run loads of lowsec unknowns). It might be puzzling for you on how I do it, but rest be assured I do and have rewards from all of those. Additionally it bothers me for you referign to me running that specific plex. It leaves a taste of you fingerpointing at me: she (Juana) farms the plex, I (Alexa) do not - nerf it. It is the attitude in general, which I oppose, since it suggests greed and jealousy on your side. Please tell if I am mistaken. In regards to fun: before I do lvl 4 or lvl 5 missions, I gladly do the Cosmos plex 2 days in a row without sleep or shoot 5 large POSs for 2 days nonstop. Originally by: Alexa Violet Also, how one earns 900 mil from a single radar plex is beyond me, it was possible back then when ship interfaces were selling for 500+ mil, but now? 900 mill is an extraordinary drop, which in fact is rare. It is not only ship interfaces which drop and which are of worth in spawn containers. And you are right: 900mill drops on one site are not on average at all - far from it. If I left that impression, I beg your pardon and hope I was able to correct this. Originally by: Alexa Violet Farming unknown plexes in low sec is possible how? One may or may not find a 6/10 plex and thats it and can scan for a whole day, <snip> Breaking news: overssers do not only spawn in DED plexes. They will spawn in EVERY single escalation path if you jsut do them fast enough. Huh? Didnt know? Now you know ;) Originally by: Alexa Violet Then i ask you again, why are you doing that same cosmos plex over and over again, if all those other options you listed offer better isk/hour profitability? As stated before I do them all ;) And in fact I do PvP also. Weird isnt it? Yours most kindly Juana
Deva Blackfire D00M.	Posted - 2008.06.13 15:13:00 - [132] Quote: - I highly doubt that drop rate in DED are different from the Cosmos. Simply since Overseer = Overseer. To the system it doesnt matter if it sits in a Cosmos or non-Cosmos plex. You know it - I know it. Unfortunately it seems to be (based on runs i made on 8/10 DED, 6/10 DED and COSMOS runs) - all of those had different drop ratio, tho as number of tries is in tens not thousands its hard to judge whats the exact amount.
Juana Morlaine Art of War Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.06.13 15:18:00 - [133] Edited by: Juana Morlaine on 13/06/2008 15:18:46 Originally by: Deva Blackfire Quote: - I highly doubt that drop rate in DED are different from the Cosmos. Simply since Overseer = Overseer. To the system it doesnt matter if it sits in a Cosmos or non-Cosmos plex. You know it - I know it. Unfortunately it seems to be (based on runs i made on 8/10 DED, 6/10 DED and COSMOS runs) - all of those had different drop ratio, tho as number of tries is in tens not thousands its hard to judge whats the exact amount. I did run both excessively: 4/10, 6/10, 8/10 and 10/10 as well as the Cosmos radar. From my personal perception drop chance and drop rate is exactly the same. I write this after 4 runs in Cosmos radar (3 of them without any Overseer loot), 5 runs on 4/10 (2 without loot, 2 with really bad drops) and 2 runs on 6/10 (one of which with no drop). Bottom line: no hard facts to back it up - just an impression that chances seem to be very similar on what drops how. Thus you could be right, I could be unless a dev verifies (whereas some dev even said that sig spawn sites are tied to cosntellations only, which defintily is not true except for Cosmos).
Inmate 854	Posted - 2008.06.13 16:53:00 - [134] A bit off topic, but does anyone have any links to guides or info on agent missions at cosmos sites in these constellations (like the ones found at beacons and some of the stargates)? I have the standings to use them. But would like to have some clue what I'm getting into before talking to the agents. There seems to be a wealth of info on the empire Cosmos sites, but notta on the ones in 0.0 So far I have only done a couple of the stargate agents and gotten some booster BPC's. I'm assuming these are one time only missions like the ones in empire, correct?
Juana Morlaine Art of War Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.06.13 19:08:00 - [135] Originally by: Inmate 854 A bit off topic, but does anyone have any links to guides or info on agent missions at cosmos sites in these constellations (like the ones found at beacons and some of the stargates)? I have the standings to use them. But would like to have some clue what I'm getting into before talking to the agents. There seems to be a wealth of info on the empire Cosmos sites, but notta on the ones in 0.0 So far I have only done a couple of the stargate agents and gotten some booster BPC's. I'm assuming these are one time only missions like the ones in empire, correct? The "missions" on the stargates are one-time only. The agent mission from the agent sites are missions but with a special "touch". Anyone doing those does not tell anything about the specifics. Thus I do not know if I do those or not. ;) Maybe just try? Yours Juana
Kyle Frost Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.13 21:32:00 - [136] Originally by: Juana Morlaine Questions? Yes , i have questions. 1. What's with the "boy" at the beginning of each sentance ? 2. "Breaking news: overssers do not only spawn in DED plexes. They will spawn in EVERY single escalation path if you jsut do them fast enough. Huh? Didnt know? Now you know ;)" Care to explain a little more about that ? I find it a little hard to believe. How exactly did you figure that out ? When you say "escalation path", does that include the simple encounter sites which you can find with the on-board scanner or only the combat sites you find with exploration probes ?
Ulstan State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.13 21:49:00 - [137] Instead of nerfing these sites (which would give those farming them an even bigger advantage) CCP should just put them on the regular exploration table :) But I think we can all agree (the random troll in the thread aside) that giving people the ability to 'lock down' a plex by sticking a cloaked ship in it is bad and needs to be stopped. Also, it's amusing counting how many times juanna uses 'boy' to start sentences :D
Juana Morlaine Art of War Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.06.13 22:55:00 - [138] Originally by: Kyle Frost Yes , i have questions. 1. What's with the "boy" at the beginning of each sentance ? As long as Phyrr is not your alt, it has nothign to do with you :) Please do not bother on me calling things and stuff by their name ;) Originally by: Kyle Frost Care to explain a little more about that ? I find it a little hard to believe. How exactly did you figure that out ? When you say "escalation path", does that include the simple encounter sites which you can find with the on-board scanner or only the combat sites you find with exploration probes ? 1. only cosmic signature sites (those you find with exploration probes) - I do not have any experience with cosmic anomalies - in fact I never bothered to do those. 2. its all written in here - just do and you shall see :)
Juana Morlaine Art of War Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.06.13 23:02:00 - [139] Originally by: Ulstan that giving people the ability to 'lock down' a plex by sticking a cloaked ship in it is bad and needs to be stopped. If you add the statement: while being afk and while others are unable to track them down, I am with you. Originally by: Ulstan Also, it's amusing counting how many times juanna uses 'boy' to start sentences :D It is just the proper way to address an juvenile err infantile err... Troll, who still needs to learn to Troll, esspecially when he is all emo and tries to argue with me even ingame ;)
Asiel The Baby Sitters	Posted - 2008.06.15 01:05:00 - [140] Juana = endless flow of BS
Ezoran DuBlaidd	Posted - 2008.06.15 11:42:00 - [141] Edited by: Ezoran DuBlaidd on 15/06/2008 11:43:30 Originally by: Ace's wife indeed, i think you are right for a large part of your theory. oh and taking away static complex's to make them spawn all over the place to keep exlorers busy and then put 2 complex's (yup there's also a magneto plex besides the radar)in each of these constelations that respawn 24/7 seems to me rediculous and im wondering if explorers are taken by the nose. EXPLORERS REVOLT, DOWN WITH THE ESTABLISHMENT, THIS HAS TAKEN LONG ENOUGH i like revolutions. POWER TO THE PEOPLE~!! and stuff
Deva Blackfire D00M.	Posted - 2008.06.15 12:03:00 - [142] Anyways: bug reporting is <-- this way
Phyrr The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2008.06.17 11:55:00 - [143] Edited by: Phyrr on 17/06/2008 11:57:12 Originally by: Juana Morlaine Originally by: Kyle Frost Yes , i have questions. 1. What's with the "boy" at the beginning of each sentance ? As long as Phyrr is not your alt, it has nothign to do with you :) Please do not bother on me calling things and stuff by their name ;) Originally by: Kyle Frost Care to explain a little more about that ? I find it a little hard to believe. How exactly did you figure that out ? When you say "escalation path", does that include the simple encounter sites which you can find with the on-board scanner or only the combat sites you find with exploration probes ? 1. only cosmic signature sites (those you find with exploration probes) - I do not have any experience with cosmic anomalies - in fact I never bothered to do those. 2. its all written in here - just do and you shall see :) I own the exploration channel, I think I know wtf I am on about. I've run every kind of site you can run. These plexes will get nerfed, no dreams required. Learn to communicate please, because atm you aren't saying much at all besides "I like farming isk". Join us in the Exploration channel. The odds on me being here are rather slim evolutionary speaking, yet in the infinite bounds of probability my being here is a certainty.
tropic89	Posted - 2008.06.21 16:48:00 - [144] need a list of all the pilots that are camping the pexes 24/7. We have a new way to have them removed from the plexes, and i dont have to fire a shot. The days of RA camping these plexes are over.
Deva Blackfire D00M.	Posted - 2008.06.21 17:11:00 - [145] Originally by: Phyrr I own the exploration channel, I think I know wtf I am on about. I've run every kind of site you can run. These plexes will get nerfed, no dreams required. You should watch who you make moderator there. Seeing idiot in action within first 10 seconds from entering is really pathetic.
SK Leya	Posted - 2008.06.21 20:03:00 - [146] Edited by: SK Leya on 21/06/2008 20:06:00 Dear god, love the swarms of morons. Everyone thinks their solution is the ultimate truth in the universe. First off if don't Fing like it change it or jerk off and stop whining like sissies. In the end all of you are *** heads doing digital dope playing the pretentious skirt role. Nobody has your little pet goldfish threating it with a kitchen knife unless you play. By the principle of equality for everybody from - "my 15$ a month are worth just the same as your 15$ a month for eve" yes its not fair, but then again global social policy isn't fair and you want a "game" to be fair? If we operate on the assumption that things should be fair in the popular meaning of the word then content is irrelevant - its all about distribution. Offcourse organized player groups should have the advantage. After all holding the specified areas isn't free, it costs time and effort, just because you have other priorities more important than fighting off morons totally obsessed with exploits in the binary world thats your problem, its only fitting that you shouldn't get what they get without being smart and persistent. Something should be done about it only if the owners of this business truly wish to label it entertainment - otherwise its just binary dope - who cares whats the quality, as long as you are stupid enough to be hooked on it you deserve what you get. So if this is to be entertainment everybody involved should get some taste of the goods, who cares how much insane isk you make, they can triple the amount you get, as long as they truly randomize and spread the distributions of these plexes. So if you REALLY want to explore go ahead, if the blasted thing can spawn almost anywhere that otta be fun and it still be worth looking for. But then this problem would be solved somehow and the same people who whined about this will start whining about how unfair it is to be mostly luck based. And don't be angry with farmers, its not their fault they are that way - its your fault, you are so pathetic that you have a universe of infinite possibility in which you are blessed with the ability to shape things but instead of exploring that and also using it for entertainment you chose to devote time to limiting virtual activities which often give you more tension than relaxation. All because you don't have the guts to do something that has meaning in your life. Simply because it easy to pretend to be free in a self created/limited/meaningless/etc environment than it is to be ACTUALLY free. And by all rights farmers are smarter than you - why? Because the "Pro" farmers as you call them don't take the casual you take. They don't have to "educate" them selves in your perverted concepts of "normal" and struggle through the endless maze of hypocrites going to "schools" to clutter their heads with crap they don't want to know so they can labor for some intelligence wannabe who will be busting their ass every work day and pretty much never giving them credit for what they are worth - simply exploiting them for life. No instead they figure if you have the stupidity not to care that you are being exploited why shouldn't they do it too? You have the nerve to grind global currency more than you have the nerve to grind a currency for any named limited environment. Its only logical, if you have established a position that is easy for you to make say 10$ for one hour but you haven't got that same position to make an amount of isk that is worth 10$ why not take advantage of it? After all its time saving, why force someone to waste their time when things can be traded. A casual farmer answers only to him self, where a casual worker answers to at least 1 person who makes his life miserable. A casual farmer doesn't give a ** about the social system as it should - the current one is made so to exploit him - he has his status mostly in his hands without braking a sweat at anybody's concepts of propriety while he has the balls to explore the unfamiliar.
Deva Blackfire D00M.	Posted - 2008.06.22 02:06:00 - [147] Use less words. Id be surprised if anyone bothers to read that all.
Helen coracao ardente	Posted - 2008.06.22 02:41:00 - [148] Wall of text detected I'm going for a sleep.
Misanth Electro Fuels	Posted - 2008.06.22 05:14:00 - [149] Originally by: Helen Wall of text detected I'm going for a sleep. WTB. Think those farmers got some for sale? Oh wait, no.. the drug bpcs were taken by the evil afkcloakers.
acs shadow and flame Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.22 11:28:00 - [150] Edited by: acs on 22/06/2008 11:28:14 Can anyone give an example on one of the nastiest NPC's in the plexes? Overseer or not, I want names =)
Krevorak	Posted - 2008.06.22 19:02:00 - [151] The names of the rats in these plexes are really odd, for example, the one in assilot is a serpentis "city", with all the rats (bs, cruiser and frigs alike) called bouncers, or duelists, depending on the stage, and the overseer is called head bouncer there. This, however, is only for assilot the other plexes will have other rat names probably. (I think they are called researcher in Pegasus, but not sure...) Too bad we cant reach the drug bp's, the farmers also take the key to the room with them, so no drugs for us eve players. They must get massive bribes from Concord drugs prevention division
dalaama	Posted - 2008.06.24 21:02:00 - [152] is this exploration thing more profitable than ratting in a long term?
xx13	Posted - 2008.07.03 11:23:00 - [153] ^
Herring Caldari Alcatraz Inc. Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.07.19 01:15:00 - [154] Originally by: Rawthorm Only problem with upping the dificulty is that you'd essentialy bugger up the drugs trade, which isnt exactly an easy buisness to get into as it is. Honestly drug bpc's should really be a regular radar and/or mag site drop anyway. Not only because leaving them in a plex like this robs the rest of EVE of the chance to make dope, but because the average yields of mag/radars have gone down so far that it's easily more profitable to run cosmic anomolies, period.
Weakmind	Posted - 2008.07.22 15:26:00 - [155] Edited by: Weakmind on 22/07/2008 15:28:29 Originally by: Krevorak Too bad we cant reach the drug bp's, the farmers also take the key to the room with them, so no drugs for us eve players. They must get massive bribes from Concord drugs prevention division You do not need the key to hack 2 out of 3 rooms, so you're quite wrong there.
Baudolino Gallente Royal Crimson Lancers	Posted - 2008.07.22 22:50:00 - [156] Edited by: Baudolino on 22/07/2008 22:50:51 Pure alliance has one or two cosmos plexes in it`s space, but the constellation which 8-t system is a part of is camped by farmers. They are only a handfull of people but have 20+ characters in the constellation- including two NYX. All ships have cloaking devices. they use 3-5 probers to find the plex and then put in an ishtar to complete it. They have multiple groups of characters with different roles (offensive/defensive/probing) While these guys are probably among the most organized and entrenched farmers in the game, it is in fact incredibly difficult to kick out small groups of farmers using cloak fitted ships and capitals to resupply and move loot. As stated the potential profits are just too great for any of the farmers to leave. the farmers can afford to maintain the most expensive implants and most expensive fittings with no fear to their wallets.. Farmers like this in 0.0 is THE major reason why i favour making it possible to probe cloaked ships..
Estrel Agat	Posted - 2008.07.23 08:41:00 - [157] they haven't removed these things yet ???
Deva Blackfire D00M.	Posted - 2008.07.23 19:56:00 - [158] Originally by: Baudolino Edited by: Baudolino on 22/07/2008 22:50:51 Pure alliance has one or two cosmos plexes in it`s space, but the constellation which 8-t system is a part of is camped by farmers. Its not camped. Everyone can more in and out freely. Also not farmers. Opportunists. Originally by: Baudolino They are only a handfull of people but have 20+ characters in the constellation- including two NYX. All ships have cloaking devices. Less than 20. Problems running multiple accounts, sorry. If i could i would :) Originally by: Baudolino they use 3-5 probers to find the plex and then put in an ishtar to complete it. They have multiple groups of characters with different roles (offensive/defensive/probing) my role is forum jabbering Originally by: Baudolino While these guys are probably among the most organized and entrenched farmers in the game, it is in fact incredibly difficult to kick out small groups of farmers using cloak fitted ships and capitals to resupply and move loot. Capitals cant resupply - viva jammers ! Also bitter much after losing 2x virtue set? Originally by: Baudolino As stated the potential profits are just too great for any of the farmers to leave. the farmers can afford to maintain the most expensive implants and most expensive fittings with no fear to their wallets.. You need clue not ISK. Originally by: Baudolino Farmers like this in 0.0 is THE major reason why i favour making it possible to probe cloaked ships.. Broken plexes like this is THE major reason why farming is fun. And CCP is too lazy to fix stuff.
Krevorak Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.27 15:28:00 - [159] Originally by: Weakmind Edited by: Weakmind on 22/07/2008 15:28:29 Originally by: Krevorak Too bad we cant reach the drug bp's, the farmers also take the key to the room with them, so no drugs for us eve players. They must get massive bribes from Concord drugs prevention division You do not need the key to hack 2 out of 3 rooms, so you're quite wrong there. Right, sorry was wrong, but only 2 rooms have cans, and one of them requires the key, and tho I havent done it myself, I would think that the last room drops the most skillbooks/bpcs
PPUAPU	Posted - 2008.07.28 11:44:00 - [160] Pls remove this complex only russians farmers do it ...and they made billions and we pay for this game, atlist made it fair play
Das Kinn	Posted - 2008.07.28 14:12:00 - [161] Edited by: Das Kinn on 28/07/2008 14:13:58 Originally by: Weakmind Edited by: Weakmind on 22/07/2008 15:28:29 You do not need the key to hack 2 out of 3 rooms, so you're quite wrong there. yeah I can hack 10 containers every 24h`s... shut up!!!11 run this plex to the end and everyone is happy. pls CCP change this Cosmos Sites, or let it respawn every dt "with the overseer"... x up, forming a gang to fight against russian farmers
Sam Ryder	Posted - 2008.08.29 08:10:00 - [162] oi, didnt know. That is actually kinda sad if ccp hasnt resolved this issue yet. Clearly they dont want to
advancedst Bulgarian Mafia Squad Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2008.09.06 15:52:00 - [163] Lol.. what do you expect? CCP to resolve this problem soon? They needed like years to "invent" warp to zero option. I don't expect this matter to be attend properly in the next several or even more months.
Deva Blackfire D00M.	Posted - 2008.09.06 17:40:00 - [164] Originally by: advancedst Lol.. what do you expect? CCP to resolve this problem soon? They needed like years to "invent" warp to zero option. I don't expect this matter to be attend properly in the next several or even more months. It was fixed this patch. Look how stupid you are.
Arryn Bakagin	Posted - 2008.09.07 02:33:00 - [165] It was fixed this patch. Look how stupid you are. How exactly was it fixed? Was this in the patch notes? Are they still there and are they still lucrative?
Deva Blackfire D00M.	Posted - 2008.09.07 02:45:00 - [166] check under "exploit" fixes If you want to know more there is either Sisi or TQ.
Royaldo Gallente Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.07 09:08:00 - [167] I am just asking here. The farming of these cosmos sites is no longer possible? And farming them is now considered exploit?
Helen coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.09.07 10:16:00 - [168] Originally by: Royaldo I am just asking here. The farming of these cosmos sites is no longer possible? And farming them is now considered exploit? They stopped farming by stopping the plex instantly respawning elsewhere in a constellation when it's been run. Hence you cannot farm them now and hence not a exploit.
Slobodanka	Posted - 2008.09.07 11:28:00 - [169] So how do they respawn now? IMO they should still appear in cosmos constelation, but is it that respawn rate is now paced to few times a day? Once a day? One overlord a day?
Deva Blackfire D00M.	Posted - 2008.09.07 12:17:00 - [170] seems to be once per day
JVol Amarr The IMorral MAjority Imorral Dragons	Posted - 2008.09.07 18:19:00 - [171] Edited by: JVol on 07/09/2008 18:23:53 Originally by: Deva Blackfire Originally by: advancedst Lol.. what do you expect? CCP to resolve this problem soon? They needed like years to "invent" warp to zero option. I don't expect this matter to be attend properly in the next several or even more months. It was fixed this patch. Look how stupid you are. Where can we find proof of this? The farmer is still locking it up every morning... If it only spwaned once he woudnt waste his whole day and 4 chars sitting in it imo. He seems to find it everytime quicker than everyone, why wouldnt he just log in run it and go about his day, no need to lock it up unless its going to respawn?
testprix	Posted - 2008.09.07 20:48:00 - [172] Today something strange happends today. I didnt run a plex since the new patch. today i found a radar in a cosmo constellation... Surprise ! a classic radar site! no gates no keeper.. just a classic radar site.... a bug ? the new fix after the patch ?......
Amizu D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.09.07 23:39:00 - [173] Originally by: testprix Today something strange happends today. I didnt run a plex since the new patch. today i found a radar in a cosmo constellation... Surprise ! a classic radar site! no gates no keeper.. just a classic radar site.... a bug ? the new fix after the patch ?...... its normal...
Lord Amentia Art of War	Posted - 2008.09.08 00:17:00 - [174] Originally by: PPUAPU Pls remove this complex only russians farmers do it ...and they made billions and we pay for this game, atlist made it fair play Seeing how i've beaten you to this plex on numerous occasions, making you cry romanian tears of defeat, i should then spread the rumor that romanians always fail utterly and go to the forums to whine? And no, I am not russian, but thank you for sharing that lovely prejudice with us.
testprix	Posted - 2008.09.08 08:37:00 - [175] ok just explain me something : The radar site with gates and gatekeepers doest exist anymore or it have a timing for repop or the fix affect something other ?
Royaldo Gallente Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.08 09:23:00 - [176] Originally by: Helen Originally by: Royaldo I am just asking here. The farming of these cosmos sites is no longer possible? And farming them is now considered exploit? They stopped farming by stopping the plex instantly respawning elsewhere in a constellation when it's been run. Hence you cannot farm them now and hence not a exploit. Thank you.
Grozen Caldari Bulgarian Experienced Crackers Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2008.09.08 12:04:00 - [177] so what stops large alliances from puting cynojammers in the farmed systems and gatecamps on all the exit gates so the farmers can't get out isn't that even better way of obtaining the loot? knowledge is power
Deva Blackfire D00M.	Posted - 2008.09.08 12:23:00 - [178] Originally by: Grozen so what stops large alliances from puting cynojammers in the farmed systems and gatecamps on all the exit gates so the farmers can't get out isn't that even better way of obtaining the loot? also putting 50 man gatecamps on everygate etc... are you new to 0.0? You should know that runing gatecamps is easy. And farmers ARE 0.0 players - usually good one,not your average chins in ravens.
Grozen Caldari Bulgarian Experienced Crackers Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2008.09.08 12:36:00 - [179] Well then i guess there should be another strategy used but surely puting cynojammer in their system will atleast stop their nyx to go out untouched from the system they farm and thats 1-0 for you vs the farmers its not much but its a start.It might even anger them enough to make mistakes that would cause them to de-cloak. knowledge is power
Elliott Manchild omen. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.09.08 14:52:00 - [180] damn farmers
Bethesda Vortarhiat omen. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.09.08 14:56:00 - [181] Damn These Ba****d farmers stealing all our potential isk, we must fight against it, we must unite against them!!!! tomorrow.
Bethesda Vortarhiat omen. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.09.08 14:58:00 - [182] Originally by: dalaama is this exploration thing more profitable than ratting in a long term? I lol'd
eXtas Atomic Battle Penguins	Posted - 2008.09.08 19:09:00 - [183] why do I think thats its tri alts farming :P --------
acs shadow and flame Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.19 22:44:00 - [184] Originally by: Ruddger When CCP makes a broken plex, they really go all out and smash as many areas of the game as they can. Yes, everything Jim wrote here is true. I also pay 100 mil for the corpse of the people who do this in in my space. Why would I pay so much? When you "activate" a plex (warp to it) a timer starts before it despawns. There is a lot of theory around how long this timer really is, but I have found it reliably to be 24 hours. If you do not complete the required assignment within a plex (hack the can, kill the guy, etc) the plex will remain for the full 24 hours. As a result the people who ninja these plex's effectively set the plex up on their schedule, able to return to it every 24 hours when it resets. Ok but why doesn't someone else reset the plex then? You can't! Remember how Jim said the gates are unlocked? Well that is only partly true. The gates to ninja the exceedingly easy overseer who drops the high end loot are unlocked, but wait what about the gate in the last room? That is locked. What unlocks it? The key the overseer drops. So once the overseer has been ninjaed it is impossible for anyone else to finish and despawn the plex. Wow that really screws all the explorers spend the next day scanning down this plex, huh? Yes it does, but it gets better. Why screw over just the explorers when you can screw over the booster manufacturers too! Thats right the ONLY place in the entirety of EvE to get the vital advanced BPCs for booster production are safely locked behind that last gate. Wonderful, 2 whole groups are now up the proverbial creek. It gets even better though. Lets turn this thing on its head and toss logic right out the window. You know how things are supposed to "advance." As difficulty gets higher rewards increase and so forth? Well not today my friend. Not only can you bypass the first room entirely, and you can avoid even being decloaked, the second room with the overseer with the best rewards is the easiest part of this whole thing! Even if you are part of the space holding alliance the only thing compelling you to actually run the whole plex is respect for your fellow prober. That second room has a value of 3-4 times the value of the rest of the plex combined! The last room which has 4 siege batteries and 2 stasis towers that insta agro in that locked room (so you cant warp out or call in reinforcements because it is a short timed gate that relocks and destroys the key)is often worth a big fat 0. Thats right the cans are usually filled with literally trash. Filler items that aren't worth anything, cant be reprocessed, and aren't used in any kind of manufacturing. So lets give a big hand to the guy who designed this one. Get rich by screwing over as many people possible! Oh and if anyone else thinks that this is a little FUBARed I assure you this plex "is working as intended." (So I may be getting a little irritated at this point as I sit here waiting for DT to end so I can get to this plex first and reset the clock to my schedule) I thought you had an agreement with a couple of reds on this? They run the plex, loot, etc. and pay Pure. some flatrate amount of ISK as a "rental" fee. Oh, and how is G5ED and the surrounding systems these days? :-)
Vayn Baxtor Fighting While Intoxicated	Posted - 2008.09.23 12:04:00 - [185] tagged for later reading ^^ Vayn Honor the Gerbils :D! Q'PLA!
eXtas Atomic Battle Penguins	Posted - 2008.10.21 16:27:00 - [186] so has this been nerfed yet? --------
SuperSarge Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.10.21 23:01:00 - [187] Originally by: eXtas so has this been nerfed yet? yes
Guygeboe	Posted - 2008.10.22 17:50:00 - [188] Originally by: SuperSarge Originally by: eXtas so has this been nerfed yet? yes really? :(, was just about to try this :P is it hard to find the sites with bad skills?
Nex Adveho AbChao	Posted - 2008.10.23 03:45:00 - [189] Anybody know how the respawns on the Radar sites work now? I found a site just before DT, and then again about 6 hours after DT.
Sergis Caldari Exotic Dancers Club Imorral Dragons	Posted - 2008.11.02 19:08:00 - [190] apparently its once a day now yet I cannot find the proff on the website and there wasn't even a patch for i, nor was it tested. This is stupid because it was listed as not an exploit earlier and now they are calling it an exploit fine make it harder to complete but dont make it spawn once a day
malfoy	Posted - 2008.11.02 19:51:00 - [191] Originally by: FlameGlow Originally by: syphurous So what do you get from sharing this information ? More targets ? Why bother running plexes yourself when you can gatecamp someone who did it for you? here lies what is essentially wrong with eve, always has been. dead before the screen loads.
InSession Minmatar Mafia Black Hand.	Posted - 2008.11.02 20:07:00 - [192] If they did nerf this I am glad. It was way to easy for one person to get a foothold of one of these plexes, camp it, get alts to probe it ASAP, run it in a few minutes, and repeat. Way too much ISK for one person to be able to farm out like that. It's not fair that the plexes that I search for despawn and don't have any promise of respawning in the same constellation that I am in.
Riley Escobar	Posted - 2008.11.02 22:02:00 - [193] it was a terrible nerf, they need to figure out a better way of fixing it cuz now it just makes it easier for the raddians to take hold of it, always respawning right after downtime at the exact same time every day. Im not altering my schedual for a game so this just seems a bit unfair. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=913580 please read this
Riley Escobar	Posted - 2008.11.03 02:20:00 - [194] also can anyone show me where it says when these changes were made
Mr Daytrading Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2008.11.18 09:07:00 - [195] officialy nerfed No boss anymore in the second room & no gate lock in the second room anymore
Blind Traveller	Posted - 2009.01.20 13:24:00 - [196] Originally by: Mr Daytrading officialy nerfed No boss anymore in the second room & no gate lock in the second room anymore Can someone confirm if this is in fact been nerfed ? I have read the patch notes and there is no mention of any change to these plexes so was wondering if anyone knows for certain if this has been changed ?
Animka Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.01.20 15:38:00 - [197] Originally by: Blind Traveller Can someone confirm if this is in fact been nerfed ? I have read the patch notes and there is no mention of any change to these plexes so was wondering if anyone knows for certain if this has been changed ? No, why?? Ofc its there. And we all still making 10-40bil isk every week. You should try to.
Blind Traveller	Posted - 2009.01.20 16:28:00 - [198] Originally by: Animka Originally by: Blind Traveller Can someone confirm if this is in fact been nerfed ? I have read the patch notes and there is no mention of any change to these plexes so was wondering if anyone knows for certain if this has been changed ? No, why?? Ofc its there. And we all still making 10-40bil isk every week. You should try to. There is always someone with a smart comment. If you don't know then why waste your time and my time by posting ? And for your information I did find one of these plexes but it looks like what I am hearing is indeed true and the BS Spawn that drops all the deadspace loot has been removed so rather than me spending a lot of my time re-scanning this plex out I was hoping someone in the community would know the answer.
Deva Blackfire coracao ardente	Posted - 2009.01.20 16:54:00 - [199] Nerfed. Tho Lolsus Mihi thinks its great conspiracy and we keep in secret that you can get 7-14bil/day thus they are cyno jamming whole constellation. 4 months too late lol.
Lokia Enroch	Posted - 2009.01.20 20:47:00 - [200] IM not reading the 5 pages of replies but i have to say. Great another section of the game I am effectively Locked out from! I'm not a member of any alliance that controls that space, would be unable to ninja my way in for long periods of time, and would be unable to get in before downtime to upset someone else's timer on it. It does seem the more and more I play that there is an elit'ish section of the subscriber base that has taken a firm handhold on sections of the game and are reluctant to relinquish it. And while I can understand why, the game is designed in such a fashion that this is an intended aspect of gameplay. So I chew on veldspar so that someone that spends 30 mins in a plex in an empty system, supported by towers that cost peanuts a day to maintain, can buy out weeks of my effort? That sucks
Deva Blackfire coracao ardente	Posted - 2009.01.20 21:07:00 - [201] Originally by: Lokia Enroch Great another section of the game I am effectively Locked out from! I'm not a member of any alliance that controls that space, would be unable to ninja my way in for long periods of time, and would be unable to get in before downtime to upset someone else's timer on it. No, you just dont want to commit or risk. I ran plexes in morsus/majesta/kia (and earlier tcf) space for 5+h per day and never got caught. And no i didnt have 1234124971 alliance mates to help me. My "plexing" team consists of me+ my alt (and sometimes friend + his covops alt).
Helen The Tetragrammaton Council	Posted - 2009.01.20 21:30:00 - [202] Originally by: Deva Blackfire Originally by: Lokia Enroch Great another section of the game I am effectively Locked out from! I'm not a member of any alliance that controls that space, would be unable to ninja my way in for long periods of time, and would be unable to get in before downtime to upset someone else's timer on it. No, you just dont want to commit or risk. I ran plexes in morsus/majesta/kia (and earlier tcf) space for 5+h per day and never got caught. And no i didnt have 1234124971 alliance mates to help me. My "plexing" team consists of me+ my alt (and sometimes friend + his covops alt). And his Nyx pilot amirite! Seriously though no one is locked out of anything just some have a slight advantage. TRI's plex running team in the north is almost as good as Omen's er everywhere.
Deva Blackfire coracao ardente	Posted - 2009.01.20 21:34:00 - [203] His nyx was used for 2 plexes or sth like that. Doable w/o nyx anyways (just takes 60 minutes instead of 3 ;p).
JitasWhore	Posted - 2009.01.20 23:30:00 - [204] I have a hard time believing this has been nerfed, as the Pegasus team of alts hasn't gone anywhere. (woman scorned, zorthal, kohzedub, taminier, etc.. ) There still here 24/7.. If its been nerfed, why still farm it ? Just for the booster stuff ? I have a hard time believing that...
MiningMikey	Posted - 2009.01.21 00:36:00 - [205] I've run one myself. Just booster stuff - but still worth close to a billion ISK all in all.
Calexis Corrino	Posted - 2009.01.21 01:59:00 - [206] Edited by: Calexis Corrino on 21/01/2009 02:00:46 These Plexes have been nerfed, no more overseer carrying deadspace loot. Digital Convulusion is hardly worth doing anymore, no one wants any of the boosters from that plex and the only chance drop that could make the time investment worth while is the neurotoxin recovery skill book. Thanks CCP for taking advice on exploration from people who havent even set foot inside a complex, scanning these sights out is no longer profitable. Empire carebears you should stick to handing advice out on your lvl 4/5 missions, and dont say that exploration in 0.0 is a easy/assured/safe way of making money... there is a reason why you stick to highsec.
JitasWhore	Posted - 2009.01.21 17:25:00 - [207] Originally by: MiningMikey I've run one myself. Just booster stuff - but still worth close to a billion ISK all in all. The way I was explained it. Is that there's a commander spawn like 1 in 3 times now instead of everytime. I think these plexes are still dropping deadspace loot, just not every time now....
hdsadsabhdbsaj	Posted - 2009.01.25 02:43:00 - [208] i`ve found one of this plexes. not that impressive honestlly. the thing is that in the last room i`ve found something that i don`t know what it is. i`ts called a Booster Pack. it looks like an overseer. can someone tell me?
Tesha Muron	Posted - 2009.01.25 03:37:00 - [209] Edited by: Tesha Muron on 25/01/2009 03:37:16 darit bad link
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2009.01.27 04:50:00 - [210] does nanite control drop here aswell?

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