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Thenoran Caldari Knights of MADD	Posted - 2008.04.15 18:18:00 - [61] Edited by: Thenoran on 15/04/2008 18:19:15 So how am I exactly to move a boatload of ships now? Say I want to move all my ships from spot A to spot B and my Rokh doesn't fit in my Badger. Would I have to produce dozens of shuttles just get around? What if the spot B has no manufacturing? Also...ROFLMAO at the shuttle producers, all the shuttles are selling for millions now...I'll get my own BPO ------------------------ Mining over 4000m3 per cycle...with a Rokh
Nethras Minmatar	Posted - 2008.04.15 18:21:00 - [62] Originally by: CCP Gangleri Announcing the change beforehand would have resulted in massbuying of NPC shuttles thus nullifying the effect for some time, changing the mineral composition would have made those that already have a lot of shuttles rich through direct action of CCP. There was no other way to remove the cap on Trit prices. The change to mineral composition that would have removed the cap would be a decrease in the trit in shuttles, thus causing people with a lot of shuttles lose money, which seems fair if you're hoarding a bunch of shuttles for some reason... putting NPC shuttles back in for the old price but halving or quartering the minerals in shuttles may be worth considering if shuttles become too rare/expensive to be used much like this - just give warning for that change so that anyone that's trying to sell shuttles now can reprocess before hand, as at this point it was their trit to begin with. Or... any chance of reducing packaged shuttle size to something like 100 m3 so even a frig could carry one? Moving multiple ships to a destination that doesn't have shuttles available could get painful if none of the ships you're moving can carry a shuttle to make the return trip in. Pretty sure that doesn't even let you compress trit by building shuttles if it's 100m3, so I can't see any major issues offhand with this solution.
Matthew Caldari BloodStar Technologies	Posted - 2008.04.15 18:22:00 - [63] Originally by: CCP Gangleri Announcing the change beforehand would have resulted in massbuying of NPC shuttles thus nullifying the effect for some time, changing the mineral composition would have made those that already have a lot of shuttles rich through direct action of CCP. There was no other way to remove the cap on Trit prices. Good point. Will be interesting to see how quickly players move in to fill the supply gap, how many people start using substitute goods (condors etc). Hope to see figures in the next econ blog ------- There is no magic Wand of Fixing, and it is not powered by forum whines.
Khanto Thor Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.04.15 18:27:00 - [64] The minimum price for gallente shuttles is now 75k in essence which does not make any sense as the raw materials is around 9k! I'll expect the price to settle to around 15k, once I get manufacturing later!
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2008.04.15 18:29:00 - [65] Originally by: Thenoran Edited by: Thenoran on 15/04/2008 18:19:15 So how am I exactly to move a boatload of ships now? Say I want to move all my ships from spot A to spot B and my Rokh doesn't fit in my Badger. Would I have to produce dozens of shuttles just get around? What if the spot B has no manufacturing? You've always got a pod, so that in itself isn't such a big deal. There are plenty of situations where the little bit of cargo, m/s, and/or shell around your pod are handy to have though. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Brigitte Helm Minmatar Flying Fox Industries	Posted - 2008.04.15 18:30:00 - [66] Originally by: CCP Gangleri Announcing the change beforehand would have resulted in massbuying of NPC shuttles thus nullifying the effect for some time, changing the mineral composition would have made those that already have a lot of shuttles rich through direct action of CCP. There was no other way to remove the cap on Trit prices. I am glad CCP went this route rather then changing the min content as this would have resulted in them having to manually review it every now and then Hug a Carebear, Kill a pirate, squish a Rat, and tickle a dev. Make Eve fun....
Cailais Amarr VITOC Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2008.04.15 18:30:00 - [67] Originally by: CCP Wrangler This has been added to the patch notes: NPC corporations will no longer be selling shuttles. Wait...a moment...this is quite significant isnt it? C. New Scanner Idea!
Altaree Red Frog Investments Blue Sky Consortium	Posted - 2008.04.15 18:33:00 - [68] Thank god we can now get out of our ships into a pod now.... This will remove one of this things that make different parts of space, well, different. You could get a cheap gal shuttle in Balle but not a cheap caldari shuttle. Now that no longer matters. But also, you no long HAVE to ever buy a shuttle... Blue Sky
JeanClaude DuSoir Anqara Expeditions The OSS	Posted - 2008.04.15 18:35:00 - [69] RE: shuttles Make all NPC-sold items trade goods that fluctuate in price, similar to all other trade goods. Even if some NPC item becomes a cap-inducing product, it can't stay cap-inducing forever. People will figure it out, buy more, and cause the price to rise. Simple economic solution to the NPC goods problem, no?
Vyktor Abyss The Abyss Corporation	Posted - 2008.04.15 18:36:00 - [70] WTS: ME50 Shuttle BPOs - 200 Million ISK each

Cailais Amarr VITOC Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2008.04.15 18:38:00 - [71] Originally by: Altaree Thank god we can now get out of our ships into a pod now.... This will remove one of this things that make different parts of space, well, different. You could get a cheap gal shuttle in Balle but not a cheap caldari shuttle. Now that no longer matters. But also, you no long HAVE to ever buy a shuttle... Its more than that. It means there is no artificial limit to Tritanium (previously set to around 3.5isk per unit) as you could always by NPC shuttles and reproc them for minerals. Thus Tritanium, the core component for well pretty much anything, can and probably will rocket in price. C. New Scanner Idea!
Senisran Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2008.04.15 18:42:00 - [72] Originally by: CCP Gangleri Announcing the change beforehand would have resulted in massbuying of NPC shuttles thus nullifying the effect for some time, changing the mineral composition would have made those that already have a lot of shuttles rich through direct action of CCP. There was no other way to remove the cap on Trit prices. No other way? I agree with the stated reasons of course, but - what about making the NPC sell price on shuttles higher? I mean, 30k, 100k, whatever. There's still a cap, but if a shuttle cost 100k then the cap would be something like 40 isk/trit. I don't think we'd ever have a problem with that! (if we did, change it again - or control inflation :) Bit weird to have them so expensive, but it makes sense - you are paying a hefty "convenience fee" for having NPC corps always stock them in every station. I'm not really too upset about just removing them completely, but surely this is "another way"? If there would've been something equally wrong with this, I'm curious what it is.
Kolmogorow Freedom Resources	Posted - 2008.04.15 18:45:00 - [73] HAHAHA... just logged in: Shuttle prices in Essence region between 1 Mil and 9 Mil ISK, HAHAHA... Getting a multi billionaire by shuttle manufacturing

CCP Gangleri C C P	Posted - 2008.04.15 18:47:00 - [74] Originally by: Nethras Originally by: CCP Gangleri Announcing the change beforehand would have resulted in massbuying of NPC shuttles thus nullifying the effect for some time, changing the mineral composition would have made those that already have a lot of shuttles rich through direct action of CCP. There was no other way to remove the cap on Trit prices. The change to mineral composition that would have removed the cap would be a decrease in the trit in shuttles, thus causing people with a lot of shuttles lose money, which seems fair if you're hoarding a bunch of shuttles for some reason... putting NPC shuttles back in for the old price but halving or quartering the minerals in shuttles may be worth considering if shuttles become too rare/expensive to be used much like this - just give warning for that change so that anyone that's trying to sell shuttles now can reprocess before hand, as at this point it was their trit to begin with. Or... any chance of reducing packaged shuttle size to something like 100 m3 so even a frig could carry one? Moving multiple ships to a destination that doesn't have shuttles available could get painful if none of the ships you're moving can carry a shuttle to make the return trip in. Pretty sure that doesn't even let you compress trit by building shuttles if it's 100m3, so I can't see any major issues offhand with this solution. Because making players poorer through direct action from CCP would go down so much smoother? The technicalities do not matter anymore, the deed is done. It was given thought and executed. There is no longer a cap on Tritanium price, there is more stuff for players to play the market with. These effects are both a huge benefit to the players, the downside is that shuttles are not available is every NPC station, I'd say the pros outweigh the cons quite heavily.

Thenoran Caldari Knights of MADD	Posted - 2008.04.15 18:51:00 - [75] I wonder what this will do to the market as a whole. With the demand for minerals only increasing as new players pour in, it might really kick up Trit prices, which previously were stuck at 3.6 ISK. With that limitation gone, Trit prices will skyrocket, making essentialy everything more expensive. Eventually I geuss people will produce items that have less need for Tritanium (by comparison) and then the other minerals prices will increase, which is good, because Isogen and Nocxium at such low prices ain't good. ------------------------ Mining over 4000m3 per cycle...with a Rokh
Farham AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.04.15 18:54:00 - [76] " Originally by: CCP Saint * NPC corporations will no longer be selling shuttles. This is why I love CCP cuddels his amazing stocks of Veldspar" How lucky for you Chribba or should I say...CCP Chribba ?!?!?! ::queues the sinister music:: Intrepid Crossing Diplomat and Forum Operating N00b IRC - 2008 Award Winning Worst PVP Alliance in EVE
Kolmogorow Freedom Resources	Posted - 2008.04.15 18:56:00 - [77] Originally by: CCP Gangleri ...the downside is that shuttles are not available is every NPC station... Could be reducing the volume of packaged shuttles be a means to compensate this downside so that a shuttle can be easily carried in the cargohold - at least for many ship types?
Letouk Mernel	Posted - 2008.04.15 18:57:00 - [78] Newbies will start mining Veldspar as the most profitable ore in Empire, and they'll make money that's a little bit more in line with what the vets are making from advanced T2 manufacturing or what not. Tritanium is a pain to haul, not a pain to mine. The price of it will reflect how much of a pain it is to haul in the quantities that are needed for ships. Currently there's a huge demand, because anyone who needed it for manufacture could get it, already in their station, from shuttles, and now it must be mined. Once the traders finish 0.01-ISKing themselves to a stable price, things will proceed as normal, I think.
Kappas. Galaxy Punks Black Core Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.15 18:59:00 - [79] Amazing. I go to buy a shuttle - hmm, all the shuttles in this region are 5m+ isk __________________ Recruitment temporarily closed.
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.04.15 19:08:00 - [80] Just like the test server patches have done for the last month, now with the live server every time I open eve the program opens partially, but then closes itself. I'm kinda scared that this problem with the test patch was never located and now it has been included in the main game Pls fix this problem asap, I would really love to be able to log in.

clone 1 Laughing Leprechauns Corporation	Posted - 2008.04.15 19:09:00 - [81] Thank god those overview bugs are fixed. -------------------------------------------------- The Angels Have the Phone Box
Zaknussem Caldari The Ironbreakers	Posted - 2008.04.15 19:09:00 - [82] Another factor about the shuttles that hasn't been mentioned here (but was propably thought of by CCP) is that shuttles are so cheap, players consider them to be disposable, one-use ships. As a result, they can be found abandoned throughout space, cluttering up the spaceways. I should know, I've been nicking them whenever and wherever I came across them. Hopefully this change will alter people's perception of the shuttles and take more care of them.
KISOGOKU	Posted - 2008.04.15 19:23:00 - [83] Edited by: KISOGOKU on 15/04/2008 19:25:18 I would not have any problem if some shuttle overlords losted isk ,this is poor decision . Originally by: CCP Gangleri Originally by: Nethras The change to mineral composition that would have removed the cap would be a decrease in the trit in shuttles, thus causing people with a lot of shuttles lose money, which seems fair if you're hoarding a bunch of shuttles for some reason... Because making players poorer through direct action from CCP would go down so much smoother? edit:btw you made alot of ppl poorer at every patch already ,faction/named sieges ,passive shiled amps why are you saving shuttle cartel j/k
Archa Caldari Chickens with an Attitude No Law	Posted - 2008.04.15 19:32:00 - [84] seriously, this was the only way to remove the cap on trit prices? how about, not being able to refine shuttles or reduce the trit usage of shuttles or tripple shuttle price Unbelievable. just unbelievable. somebody really has a plate in front of his face. One of the dumbest things done up till now.
Zaknussem Caldari The Ironbreakers	Posted - 2008.04.15 19:35:00 - [85] After finally applying the patch and playing for a good five minutes, I can say the following: # The open/close cargohold toggle is broken, as a closed cargohold window will pop open again when you jump through a stargate. # Running two or more clients and then alt-tabbing between them is even more likely to cause a crash than it did before the patch. I've had two crashes in the last five minutes alone. # I decided trying to run a mission, and a window popped up marked "Important Information", telling me that my agent would be unhappy if I turned down his mission or failed to meet the deadline for it. Were any changes made to the accepting/declining of missions with the new patch?
Helison Gallente Times of Ancar Pure.	Posted - 2008.04.15 19:36:00 - [86] Originally by: CCP Gangleri Because making players poorer through direct action from CCP would go down so much smoother? The technicalities do not matter anymore, the deed is done. It was given thought and executed. There is no longer a cap on Tritanium price, there is more stuff for players to play the market with. These effects are both a huge benefit to the players, the downside is that shuttles are not available is every NPC station, I'd say the pros outweigh the cons quite heavily. Well, the cons of changing the mins distribution would have been negligible. Yes, hoarders of shuttles would have lost a bit (when changing 4 trit to 1 pyer, 16 trit to 1 mex and so one...) as the trit-price is as high at the moment, but this is their own risk. Removing shuttles completly from the NPC-market is in my eyes a bad decision, as it removes one of the advantages of shuttles, which is the price and the availibility. For most manufacturers shuttles just don¦t bring enough profit, specially with the long production time (same as frigates). So i would be surprised, if we would find any reasonable priced shuttles in 1-2 months outside of market hubs.
Terminus adacai Caldari	Posted - 2008.04.15 19:39:00 - [87] Originally by: Kaimon ValDreth Hell It might be worth mining veld in a hulk again? It has been. Trit has been on a steady increase for some time now. I always wondered why I even bothered to write buy orders for shuttles for 500-1k isk... I now have several thousand shuttles and my hats off to CCP on this one... Opinions reflected on my posts are just that, my opinions. They do not reflect views held by my corp or alliance.
Uzuness Carebear Corp	Posted - 2008.04.15 19:40:00 - [88] As I said in the thread I made.. which was closed for no good reason. :D When I log in, all I get is this: "Could not connect to the specified address. Odds are that you have not established an internet connection, the server isn't running, or the server address or port number was wrong." I uninstalled/redownloaded/installed the client.. deleted all data.. still no dice. Oh, and I keep randomly getting logged in/out of these forums.. which is strange, since it doesn't happen to other forums I go to. ----------------- I am death, the destroyer of worlds.
Xelloss Metallum	Posted - 2008.04.15 19:42:00 - [89] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro People would have hoarded immense quantities of trit, leading to unpleasantness all round. The real question now is this: what's the next best NPC source of trit, and how much does it work out at per unit? Macrominers.
Duvida Gallente The Phalanx Expeditionary Conglomerate The Gemini Project	Posted - 2008.04.15 19:47:00 - [90] FPS is normal again. Thanks for the repair work, CCP!



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