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CCP Saint C C P	Posted - 2008.04.15 16:05:00 - [1] The Trinity 1.2 patch deployment is now complete. To view the changes implemented into this patch or are unsure of any additions to the patch notes, please take a look at this Patch Notes page. If you are experiencing any issues after the deployment, please check the Known Issues page for any issues the Dev Team is already aware of. If you do not see your issue on this page, please submit a bug report . Please keep feedback constructive, on-topic and in this thread. Negative, spam, or posts not directly related to the patch deployment, bugs or issues will be deleted. Saint Community Representative CCP Games, EVE Online Email / Netfang Do Not Click Here "Contrary to what most people say, the most dangerous animal in the world is not the lion or the tiger or even the elephant. It's a shark riding on an elephant's back, just trampling and eating everything they see." Owner of the most green grey beanie ever. P.S. This is green.

Commoner Caldari Emergent Chaos	Posted - 2008.04.15 16:12:00 - [2] Edited by: Commoner on 15/04/2008 16:19:03 I'm missing alliance chat, and my alliance has been closed during this extended dt? Am i the only one? The worst pvp'er in EVE :
Cloudcobra Caldari 0mega Enterprises Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.04.15 16:13:00 - [3] Anyone else missing Shuttles on every Station from NPCs ? ------------------------------- Who dares wins
Randolf Sightblinder Ex Coelis	Posted - 2008.04.15 16:16:00 - [4] I'm at work so I can't play yet, did remember to set a longish skill, hac 4. So provided everything works by Saturday evening est. I'm just waiting for all the drama when something doesn't work. Is broke. People come in and complain their GSC is missing, that they haven't touched for 3 years. Did anyone cruise the high sec asteroid or ice belts? Are they cleaner? Randolf
Cloudcobra Caldari 0mega Enterprises Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.04.15 16:21:00 - [5] Originally by: Commoner Edited by: Commoner on 15/04/2008 16:19:03 I'm missing alliance chat, and my alliance has been closed during this extended dt? Am i the only one? My Alliance chat is fine and working. ------------------------------- Who dares wins
Leonora Webb Gallente Novus Satus The Threshold	Posted - 2008.04.15 16:21:00 - [6] I'm getting a small (but annoying) bug, when opening and closing the cargo and scanner using the new toggleable buttons on the UI, then performing a stargate jump, the windows pop back open again. I'll petition it when I can reproduce it perfectly.
Warp Flux	Posted - 2008.04.15 16:22:00 - [7] Dissapointed that some of the partial balance tweaks from Booster 1.1 patch have not been completed in this patch. Namely the Apoc changes that were not carried over to the Navy Apoc & Paladin... but also the expected Laser balance efficientcy tweaks. (cap/cpu/grid) I understand the wisdom in not tweaking everything in one go - but here's hoping that the rest of the Amarr fixes come in very soon. Navy Apoc, Paladin, Curse & Laser fixes ASAP pls!
Calyce Gallente	Posted - 2008.04.15 16:23:00 - [8] Originally by: Randolf Sightblinder Did anyone cruise the high sec asteroid or ice belts? Are they cleaner? won't happen for another 30 days... the timer is installed now....
ZaKma Seraphin Technologies Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.04.15 16:24:00 - [9] Quote: The ship cargo button in the HUD should now close the cargo hold window if it is already open. This is broken if the cargo is in a stack. The cargo closes, but the stack remains open thus leaving you with a unusable empty stack. ✖ Arachnophobia ✖
Calyce Gallente	Posted - 2008.04.15 16:29:00 - [10] Originally by: ZaKma This is broken if the cargo is in a stack. The cargo closes, but the stack remains open thus leaving you with a unusable empty stack. umm.. what? a "stack" is a pile of things.. how can it be open?
Andresky Gallente	Posted - 2008.04.15 16:30:00 - [11] Since the first "Boost Patch" I've got the problem, that EVE produces an exception error when quitting. THe problem also exists in the current patch.

CCP Lingorm C C P	Posted - 2008.04.15 16:33:00 - [12] Originally by: Andresky Since the first "Boost Patch" I've got the problem, that EVE produces an exception error when quitting. THe problem also exists in the current patch. Have you run log server and then submitted a bug report. A number of people have complained about this but we have had 1 Bug Report submitted about it when I checked yesterday. We do not have perfect reproduction on this and any further information that you can supply would help. CCP Lingorm CCP Quality Assurance QA Engineering Team Leader Originally by: Lord Fitz Eve is to WoW as Wow is to an 8 player game of Unreal Tournament.

juduzz Amarr Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.04.15 16:33:00 - [13] No NPC shuttles for sale in heimater and windowed mode screen res options minus native missing again :/
Dal Thrax Multiverse Corporation Cosmic Anomalies	Posted - 2008.04.15 16:33:00 - [14] Does anybody have stats on faction drones or have cost info for them? Dal Originally by: HEXXX In all seriousness; I think I made a miscalculation originally. . . We either need to fix this or fix our advertising.
Hamfast Gallente	Posted - 2008.04.15 16:34:00 - [15] Originally by: Andresky Since the first "Boost Patch" I've got the problem, that EVE produces an exception error when quitting. THe problem also exists in the current patch. I have had the same problem, but only on 1 PC, second PC closes down correctly... --------*****-------- Learn and be informed, because a Politicians worst nightmare is an informed voter... So choose your CSM Candidates wisely
Akira Kusanagi	Posted - 2008.04.15 16:35:00 - [16] Hmmm, everyone in Emergent Chaos (ECHA) has lost visibility of our alliance (Bedlam Consortium). Has anyone else had their alliance killed by CCP?

CCP Lingorm C C P	Posted - 2008.04.15 16:39:00 - [17] Originally by: Akira Kusanagi Hmmm, everyone in Emergent Chaos (ECHA) has lost visibility of our alliance (Bedlam Consortium). Has anyone else had their alliance killed by CCP? The Alliance fees for Bedlam Consortium were not paid and Concord disbanded the Alliance. CCP Lingorm CCP Quality Assurance QA Engineering Team Leader Originally by: Lord Fitz Eve is to WoW as Wow is to an 8 player game of Unreal Tournament.


CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2008.04.15 16:41:00 - [18] This has been added to the patch notes: NPC corporations will no longer be selling shuttles. Wrangler Community Manager CCP Games, EVE Online Email / Netfang Hug-A-Wrangler! FanFest 2008 "The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it."

Maya Sollow Gallente Product Number 3	Posted - 2008.04.15 16:42:00 - [19] My windows are still repositioning themeslves. Drone window atatches itself to the selection window on undock. This happens regardless of the lock window positions setting in the general settings tab. The selections window itself shifts to the left slightly on undock also about, 20cm (1280x1024 screen res) As a note, my neocom is on the right of the screen not the left and is not expanded, plus i reuse my _.dat files whenever there is a patch. Im assuming lots of other people do this so they dont have to keep inputting there pc settings, window settings etc. It wasnt much of a problem before the tabbed overview because there were no bracket settings. Now im reluctant to start from scratch because that means putting back not just the overview settings, but the tab settings and the bracket settings for each tab which is anoying if you have all 5 tabs setup which i do. I havnt tested the fleet window opening yet, but the same went for those repositioning before the patch. I did notice this only happened when you were forming a fleet in space (which is most of the time) it didnt reposition for me anytime when it was created while docked. A corp member is also reporting that the drone window still dissapears for a period of time while launching, but it didnt reposition itself. They run default positions. The repositioning is the only issue i have a problem with and was hoping it would be sorted but alas not. /me is sadened. #Constructive comment left.
Toras Ohmata	Posted - 2008.04.15 16:43:00 - [20] Originally by: CCP Wrangler This has been added to the patch notes: NPC corporations will no longer be selling shuttles. wtf? seriously, what the christ?
Veebora	Posted - 2008.04.15 16:47:00 - [21] Originally by: CCP Wrangler This has been added to the patch notes: NPC corporations will no longer be selling shuttles. Why?
Khanto Thor Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.04.15 16:47:00 - [22] Originally by: CCP Wrangler This has been added to the patch notes: NPC corporations will no longer be selling shuttles. So what's happened to them? Can I have their stuff?
Bellasarius Baxter Caldari Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.15 16:54:00 - [23] First kill mission, client crashed after a few minutes of fighting/salvaging. Premium client, Windows XP 64-bit. Thid hsd been going on since the 1.1 patch :-(
Blue Binary Gallente	Posted - 2008.04.15 16:56:00 - [24] Originally by: CCP Wrangler This has been added to the patch notes: NPC corporations will no longer be selling shuttles. Interesting... You do this just as Tritanium prices are peaking. Probably going to pass the 3.6 mark now the cap is gone. ____________ Blue B⁫⁫⁫⁫inary
Randolf Sightblinder Ex Coelis	Posted - 2008.04.15 16:56:00 - [25] Originally by: Calyce won't happen for another 30 days... the timer is installed now.... Thanks must have misunderstood the notes. I thought the timer was in on 1.1 and they didn't run the cleanup till today instead of the 12th the official 30 day mark. Randolf

CCP Lingorm C C P	Posted - 2008.04.15 16:56:00 - [26] Originally by: Bellasarius Baxter First kill mission, client crashed after a few minutes of fighting/salvaging. Premium client, Windows XP 64-bit. Thid hsd been going on since the 1.1 patch :-( Bug report ... Logserver files ... helps us figure out what is going on .... please. CCP Lingorm CCP Quality Assurance QA Engineering Team Leader Originally by: Lord Fitz Eve is to WoW as Wow is to an 8 player game of Unreal Tournament.

Maya Sollow Gallente Product Number 3	Posted - 2008.04.15 17:02:00 - [27] Originally by: Blue Binary Originally by: CCP Wrangler This has been added to the patch notes: NPC corporations will no longer be selling shuttles. Interesting... You do this just as Tritanium prices are peaking. Probably going to pass the 3.6 mark now the cap is gone. I need to know where your getting this price.
ThisAlt IsUseless	Posted - 2008.04.15 17:03:00 - [28] Originally by: CCP Wrangler This has been added to the patch notes: NPC corporations will no longer be selling shuttles. WTB shuttle(s) bpo this is going to be... a bad thing... i'm not even building stuff... i just don't want to pay 100k isk per shuttle
Emily Spankratchet Minmatar Pragmatics	Posted - 2008.04.15 17:13:00 - [29] Originally by: CCP Wrangler NPC corporations will no longer be selling shuttles. WTShudderingF? I know it's for good economic reasons and all that. But buying ships and moving around has just become much more of a pain in the arse.
FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.04.15 17:17:00 - [30] Originally by: CCP Wrangler This has been added to the patch notes: NPC corporations will no longer be selling shuttles. Erm, why? What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!
Bellasarius Baxter Caldari Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.15 17:20:00 - [31] Two things: This client is crashing in exactly the same places I have already reported for the 1.1 patch. My drones are now attacking LCS's when no other enemy is in range. What happens if they start shooting up something that is not labeled as "WANTED" ??
Kaiji Vincente	Posted - 2008.04.15 17:21:00 - [32] Originally by: Maya Sollow A corp member is also reporting that the drone window still dissapears for a period of time while launching, but it didnt reposition itself. They run default positions. I see this regularly, but have never seen it reset the window position to default. I'm fairly certain it's related to the default position/autoarrange collision bug, however.
Emily Spankratchet Minmatar Pragmatics	Posted - 2008.04.15 17:24:00 - [33] Also, I forgot to backup my settings folder. Devs: Could you, just once, make a patch that doesn't hose all window/overview/message supression settings? Argh!
Matthew Caldari BloodStar Technologies	Posted - 2008.04.15 17:26:00 - [34] Originally by: CCP Wrangler NPC corporations will no longer be selling shuttles. Nice Understand why it's being done, and agree with it. Though the complete lack of announcement is going to make this a much bigger market shock than it really needed to be. ------- There is no magic Wand of Fixing, and it is not powered by forum whines.
Helison Gallente Times of Ancar Pure.	Posted - 2008.04.15 17:30:00 - [35] Originally by: CCP Wrangler This has been added to the patch notes: NPC corporations will no longer be selling shuttles. Fail. Why didn¦t you just change the mineral composition of shuttles? Would be a much better solution to the trit-cap.

CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2008.04.15 17:31:00 - [36] The NPC corporations selling shuttles created a price cap on tritanium, as reported in our second EconDev Blog, which has been removed with this change. Shuttle blueprints are of course available in every station. Wrangler Community Manager CCP Games, EVE Online Email / Netfang Hug-A-Wrangler! FanFest 2008 "The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it."

Candice Bormardin Caldari Jouvulen Enterprises Inc.	Posted - 2008.04.15 17:33:00 - [37] Originally by: CCP Wrangler The NPC corporations selling shuttles created a price cap on tritanium, as reported in our second EconDev Blog, which has been removed with this change. Shuttle blueprints are of course available in every station. LOL! I was right!
Bicx	Posted - 2008.04.15 17:34:00 - [38] More ISK for my mining boredom!
isdisco3 Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.04.15 17:35:00 - [39] I have no problem with removing the shuttles, but that is a major major change and should have been said in the original patch notes, not ninja-added after the patch was already applied.
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2008.04.15 17:38:00 - [40] People would have hoarded immense quantities of trit, leading to unpleasantness all round. The real question now is this: what's the next best NPC source of trit, and how much does it work out at per unit? My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Tommy TenKreds Animal Mercantile Executive	Posted - 2008.04.15 17:39:00 - [41] Originally by: CCP Wrangler This has been added to the patch notes: NPC corporations will no longer be selling shuttles. /me strokes 2.5 billion unit pile of Trit in Jita.. lolol Bandures > Tommy, you like a cowboy harry )
Khanto Thor Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.04.15 17:40:00 - [42] Originally by: isdisco3 I have no problem with removing the shuttles, but that is a major major change and should have been said in the original patch notes, not ninja-added after the patch was already applied. quite right, I would have bought 1000 had I known!

CCP Gangleri C C P	Posted - 2008.04.15 17:40:00 - [43] Announcing the change beforehand would have resulted in massbuying of NPC shuttles thus nullifying the effect for some time, changing the mineral composition would have made those that already have a lot of shuttles rich through direct action of CCP. There was no other way to remove the cap on Trit prices.


ISD BH Garik Michaels ISD BH	Posted - 2008.04.15 17:42:00 - [44] Edited by: ISD BH Garik Michaels on 15/04/2008 17:42:53 Edited by: ISD BH Garik Michaels on 15/04/2008 17:42:35 Here's a handy guide to submitting bug reports. If bug reports are written properly it will save the BH and QA team a lot of time and we will be able to process them much more efficiently. Email US: contact[at]eve-bh[dot]net

malcotch Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.04.15 17:42:00 - [45] I still cannot approach a bookmark. If I right click on space, I can warp to my bookmarks But once I am there, I cannot right click and approach bookmarks. Very frustrating as I have 4 containers in each belt, all bookmarked and I cannot approach each one using 'right click' I'm sure this was ok before 1.1
Salvis Tallan Gallente The Shadow Order SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.15 17:43:00 - [46] Originally by: CCP Wrangler This has been added to the patch notes: NPC corporations will no longer be selling shuttles. Woohoo! puts on tin-foil hat They do this right when eve-files needs new hardware... ------

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2008.04.15 17:44:00 - [47] Originally by: Leonora Webb I'm getting a small (but annoying) bug, when opening and closing the cargo and scanner using the new toggleable buttons on the UI, then performing a stargate jump, the windows pop back open again. Originally by: ZaKma This is broken if the cargo is in a stack. The cargo closes, but the stack remains open thus leaving you with a unusable empty stack. Both issues have been fixed internally, will be released in a later patch. Originally by: Calyce Originally by: Randolf Sightblinder Did anyone cruise the high sec asteroid or ice belts? Are they cleaner? won't happen for another 30 days... the timer is installed now.... The timer was installed when Trinity 1.1 was released, the first cleanup occurs in DT tomorrow, 16 April. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Idara Caldari Contraband Inc.	Posted - 2008.04.15 17:45:00 - [48] Why the hell not just make shuttles refine into nothing? A la noob ships? This is a PITA. --- in EVE - Idara
Scilent Enigma Minmatar Vae Victis Inc.	Posted - 2008.04.15 17:46:00 - [49] Moon icons work!! Woot! Also this patch seems to have unclogged a lot of the fps problems I had after boost patch. All in all, thanx for a great patch
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.04.15 17:48:00 - [50] Originally by: CCP Gangleri Announcing the change beforehand would have resulted in massbuying of NPC shuttles thus nullifying the effect for some time, changing the mineral composition would have made those that already have a lot of shuttles rich through direct action of CCP. There was no other way to remove the cap on Trit prices. Gangleri, i love you. Thanks so much for removing the cap
Leonora Webb Gallente Novus Satus The Threshold	Posted - 2008.04.15 17:48:00 - [51] Originally by: CCP Explorer Both issues have been fixed internally, will be released in a later patch. Thank you very much!
coolbeans300	Posted - 2008.04.15 17:50:00 - [52] discoed 3 times in 15 mins. wtf?
Bone Orchard Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2008.04.15 17:51:00 - [53] *imagines the threads after a few weeks of suicide gankers popping indy's for Trit of all things. It's gonna be a wacky summer.
Zanquis Caldari Universal Exports FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.04.15 17:53:00 - [54] Did they fix those anoying problems with your interface when you leave stations or join fleets (there where a few bugs causing this which had somthing to do with the selected items window and fleet windows). I swear if I have to reset my interface one more time I'll freak out ****************************************** CEO of CSS Ltd.**
Andresky Gallente	Posted - 2008.04.15 17:53:00 - [55] By the way... FPS is now fixed - at least on my Notebook ;) Anyone else having FPS normal now?
Helpdesk Caldari COLD-Wing The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.04.15 17:54:00 - [56] Originally by: Idara Why the hell not just make shuttles refine into nothing? A la noob ships? This is a PITA. Or just double the price of NPC-shuttles. I'm assuming most people don't care if it's 9k or 18k per shuttle if they get easy traveling in return for it and it'd put the cap at 7.2 (although there are probably other refinable objects for sale with a lower cap, I'm not certain of that). Should it come to 7.2 then just up the price of Shuttles again... Would fit in with the backstory as well, just say it's a pricecorrection due to the high tritanium prices (they'd even be right!). Saying that it would otherwise give people who had already bought a gazillion shuttles an unfair advantage surprises me. If you 'secretly' up the prices of shuttles, like you did now, it wouldn't have mattered much unless people working for CCP knew of it beforehand and used it make their own characters wealthier... but nothing has stopped them from doing that now either

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2008.04.15 17:56:00 - [57] Originally by: CCP Saint NPC corporations will no longer be selling shuttles. This is why I love CCP cuddels his amazing stocks of Veldspar Secure 3rd party service ■ Do you Veldspar?

Kaimon ValDreth Minmatar	Posted - 2008.04.15 18:10:00 - [58] Hell It might be worth mining veld in a hulk again? While I do like this its going to hurt the pocketbook when it comes time to buy new ships... I just bought up all the ships in my area at the yesterday low prices to hold and resell in a couple weeks. Man CCP your the greatest =)
isdisco3 Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.04.15 18:11:00 - [59] Originally by: CCP Gangleri Announcing the change beforehand would have resulted in massbuying of NPC shuttles thus nullifying the effect for some time, changing the mineral composition would have made those that already have a lot of shuttles rich through direct action of CCP. There was no other way to remove the cap on Trit prices. Makes sense to me. I just wish there had been a better, less secret way of doing it.
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2008.04.15 18:12:00 - [60] Add me to the list of people curious about the shuttle thing, and why this was the best solution. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Thenoran Caldari Knights of MADD	Posted - 2008.04.15 18:18:00 - [61] Edited by: Thenoran on 15/04/2008 18:19:15 So how am I exactly to move a boatload of ships now? Say I want to move all my ships from spot A to spot B and my Rokh doesn't fit in my Badger. Would I have to produce dozens of shuttles just get around? What if the spot B has no manufacturing? Also...ROFLMAO at the shuttle producers, all the shuttles are selling for millions now...I'll get my own BPO ------------------------ Mining over 4000m3 per cycle...with a Rokh
Nethras Minmatar	Posted - 2008.04.15 18:21:00 - [62] Originally by: CCP Gangleri Announcing the change beforehand would have resulted in massbuying of NPC shuttles thus nullifying the effect for some time, changing the mineral composition would have made those that already have a lot of shuttles rich through direct action of CCP. There was no other way to remove the cap on Trit prices. The change to mineral composition that would have removed the cap would be a decrease in the trit in shuttles, thus causing people with a lot of shuttles lose money, which seems fair if you're hoarding a bunch of shuttles for some reason... putting NPC shuttles back in for the old price but halving or quartering the minerals in shuttles may be worth considering if shuttles become too rare/expensive to be used much like this - just give warning for that change so that anyone that's trying to sell shuttles now can reprocess before hand, as at this point it was their trit to begin with. Or... any chance of reducing packaged shuttle size to something like 100 m3 so even a frig could carry one? Moving multiple ships to a destination that doesn't have shuttles available could get painful if none of the ships you're moving can carry a shuttle to make the return trip in. Pretty sure that doesn't even let you compress trit by building shuttles if it's 100m3, so I can't see any major issues offhand with this solution.
Matthew Caldari BloodStar Technologies	Posted - 2008.04.15 18:22:00 - [63] Originally by: CCP Gangleri Announcing the change beforehand would have resulted in massbuying of NPC shuttles thus nullifying the effect for some time, changing the mineral composition would have made those that already have a lot of shuttles rich through direct action of CCP. There was no other way to remove the cap on Trit prices. Good point. Will be interesting to see how quickly players move in to fill the supply gap, how many people start using substitute goods (condors etc). Hope to see figures in the next econ blog ------- There is no magic Wand of Fixing, and it is not powered by forum whines.
Khanto Thor Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.04.15 18:27:00 - [64] The minimum price for gallente shuttles is now 75k in essence which does not make any sense as the raw materials is around 9k! I'll expect the price to settle to around 15k, once I get manufacturing later!
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2008.04.15 18:29:00 - [65] Originally by: Thenoran Edited by: Thenoran on 15/04/2008 18:19:15 So how am I exactly to move a boatload of ships now? Say I want to move all my ships from spot A to spot B and my Rokh doesn't fit in my Badger. Would I have to produce dozens of shuttles just get around? What if the spot B has no manufacturing? You've always got a pod, so that in itself isn't such a big deal. There are plenty of situations where the little bit of cargo, m/s, and/or shell around your pod are handy to have though. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Brigitte Helm Minmatar Flying Fox Industries	Posted - 2008.04.15 18:30:00 - [66] Originally by: CCP Gangleri Announcing the change beforehand would have resulted in massbuying of NPC shuttles thus nullifying the effect for some time, changing the mineral composition would have made those that already have a lot of shuttles rich through direct action of CCP. There was no other way to remove the cap on Trit prices. I am glad CCP went this route rather then changing the min content as this would have resulted in them having to manually review it every now and then Hug a Carebear, Kill a pirate, squish a Rat, and tickle a dev. Make Eve fun....
Cailais Amarr VITOC Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2008.04.15 18:30:00 - [67] Originally by: CCP Wrangler This has been added to the patch notes: NPC corporations will no longer be selling shuttles. Wait...a moment...this is quite significant isnt it? C. New Scanner Idea!
Altaree Red Frog Investments Blue Sky Consortium	Posted - 2008.04.15 18:33:00 - [68] Thank god we can now get out of our ships into a pod now.... This will remove one of this things that make different parts of space, well, different. You could get a cheap gal shuttle in Balle but not a cheap caldari shuttle. Now that no longer matters. But also, you no long HAVE to ever buy a shuttle... Blue Sky
JeanClaude DuSoir Anqara Expeditions The OSS	Posted - 2008.04.15 18:35:00 - [69] RE: shuttles Make all NPC-sold items trade goods that fluctuate in price, similar to all other trade goods. Even if some NPC item becomes a cap-inducing product, it can't stay cap-inducing forever. People will figure it out, buy more, and cause the price to rise. Simple economic solution to the NPC goods problem, no?
Vyktor Abyss The Abyss Corporation	Posted - 2008.04.15 18:36:00 - [70] WTS: ME50 Shuttle BPOs - 200 Million ISK each
Cailais Amarr VITOC Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2008.04.15 18:38:00 - [71] Originally by: Altaree Thank god we can now get out of our ships into a pod now.... This will remove one of this things that make different parts of space, well, different. You could get a cheap gal shuttle in Balle but not a cheap caldari shuttle. Now that no longer matters. But also, you no long HAVE to ever buy a shuttle... Its more than that. It means there is no artificial limit to Tritanium (previously set to around 3.5isk per unit) as you could always by NPC shuttles and reproc them for minerals. Thus Tritanium, the core component for well pretty much anything, can and probably will rocket in price. C. New Scanner Idea!
Senisran Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2008.04.15 18:42:00 - [72] Originally by: CCP Gangleri Announcing the change beforehand would have resulted in massbuying of NPC shuttles thus nullifying the effect for some time, changing the mineral composition would have made those that already have a lot of shuttles rich through direct action of CCP. There was no other way to remove the cap on Trit prices. No other way? I agree with the stated reasons of course, but - what about making the NPC sell price on shuttles higher? I mean, 30k, 100k, whatever. There's still a cap, but if a shuttle cost 100k then the cap would be something like 40 isk/trit. I don't think we'd ever have a problem with that! (if we did, change it again - or control inflation :) Bit weird to have them so expensive, but it makes sense - you are paying a hefty "convenience fee" for having NPC corps always stock them in every station. I'm not really too upset about just removing them completely, but surely this is "another way"? If there would've been something equally wrong with this, I'm curious what it is.
Kolmogorow Freedom Resources	Posted - 2008.04.15 18:45:00 - [73] HAHAHA... just logged in: Shuttle prices in Essence region between 1 Mil and 9 Mil ISK, HAHAHA... Getting a multi billionaire by shuttle manufacturing

CCP Gangleri C C P	Posted - 2008.04.15 18:47:00 - [74] Originally by: Nethras Originally by: CCP Gangleri Announcing the change beforehand would have resulted in massbuying of NPC shuttles thus nullifying the effect for some time, changing the mineral composition would have made those that already have a lot of shuttles rich through direct action of CCP. There was no other way to remove the cap on Trit prices. The change to mineral composition that would have removed the cap would be a decrease in the trit in shuttles, thus causing people with a lot of shuttles lose money, which seems fair if you're hoarding a bunch of shuttles for some reason... putting NPC shuttles back in for the old price but halving or quartering the minerals in shuttles may be worth considering if shuttles become too rare/expensive to be used much like this - just give warning for that change so that anyone that's trying to sell shuttles now can reprocess before hand, as at this point it was their trit to begin with. Or... any chance of reducing packaged shuttle size to something like 100 m3 so even a frig could carry one? Moving multiple ships to a destination that doesn't have shuttles available could get painful if none of the ships you're moving can carry a shuttle to make the return trip in. Pretty sure that doesn't even let you compress trit by building shuttles if it's 100m3, so I can't see any major issues offhand with this solution. Because making players poorer through direct action from CCP would go down so much smoother? The technicalities do not matter anymore, the deed is done. It was given thought and executed. There is no longer a cap on Tritanium price, there is more stuff for players to play the market with. These effects are both a huge benefit to the players, the downside is that shuttles are not available is every NPC station, I'd say the pros outweigh the cons quite heavily.

Thenoran Caldari Knights of MADD	Posted - 2008.04.15 18:51:00 - [75] I wonder what this will do to the market as a whole. With the demand for minerals only increasing as new players pour in, it might really kick up Trit prices, which previously were stuck at 3.6 ISK. With that limitation gone, Trit prices will skyrocket, making essentialy everything more expensive. Eventually I geuss people will produce items that have less need for Tritanium (by comparison) and then the other minerals prices will increase, which is good, because Isogen and Nocxium at such low prices ain't good. ------------------------ Mining over 4000m3 per cycle...with a Rokh
Farham AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.04.15 18:54:00 - [76] " Originally by: CCP Saint * NPC corporations will no longer be selling shuttles. This is why I love CCP cuddels his amazing stocks of Veldspar" How lucky for you Chribba or should I say...CCP Chribba ?!?!?! ::queues the sinister music:: Intrepid Crossing Diplomat and Forum Operating N00b IRC - 2008 Award Winning Worst PVP Alliance in EVE
Kolmogorow Freedom Resources	Posted - 2008.04.15 18:56:00 - [77] Originally by: CCP Gangleri ...the downside is that shuttles are not available is every NPC station... Could be reducing the volume of packaged shuttles be a means to compensate this downside so that a shuttle can be easily carried in the cargohold - at least for many ship types?
Letouk Mernel	Posted - 2008.04.15 18:57:00 - [78] Newbies will start mining Veldspar as the most profitable ore in Empire, and they'll make money that's a little bit more in line with what the vets are making from advanced T2 manufacturing or what not. Tritanium is a pain to haul, not a pain to mine. The price of it will reflect how much of a pain it is to haul in the quantities that are needed for ships. Currently there's a huge demand, because anyone who needed it for manufacture could get it, already in their station, from shuttles, and now it must be mined. Once the traders finish 0.01-ISKing themselves to a stable price, things will proceed as normal, I think.
Kappas. Galaxy Punks Black Core Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.15 18:59:00 - [79] Amazing. I go to buy a shuttle - hmm, all the shuttles in this region are 5m+ isk __________________ Recruitment temporarily closed.
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.04.15 19:08:00 - [80] Just like the test server patches have done for the last month, now with the live server every time I open eve the program opens partially, but then closes itself. I'm kinda scared that this problem with the test patch was never located and now it has been included in the main game Pls fix this problem asap, I would really love to be able to log in.
clone 1 Laughing Leprechauns Corporation	Posted - 2008.04.15 19:09:00 - [81] Thank god those overview bugs are fixed. -------------------------------------------------- The Angels Have the Phone Box
Zaknussem Caldari The Ironbreakers	Posted - 2008.04.15 19:09:00 - [82] Another factor about the shuttles that hasn't been mentioned here (but was propably thought of by CCP) is that shuttles are so cheap, players consider them to be disposable, one-use ships. As a result, they can be found abandoned throughout space, cluttering up the spaceways. I should know, I've been nicking them whenever and wherever I came across them. Hopefully this change will alter people's perception of the shuttles and take more care of them.
KISOGOKU	Posted - 2008.04.15 19:23:00 - [83] Edited by: KISOGOKU on 15/04/2008 19:25:18 I would not have any problem if some shuttle overlords losted isk ,this is poor decision . Originally by: CCP Gangleri Originally by: Nethras The change to mineral composition that would have removed the cap would be a decrease in the trit in shuttles, thus causing people with a lot of shuttles lose money, which seems fair if you're hoarding a bunch of shuttles for some reason... Because making players poorer through direct action from CCP would go down so much smoother? edit:btw you made alot of ppl poorer at every patch already ,faction/named sieges ,passive shiled amps why are you saving shuttle cartel j/k
Archa Caldari Chickens with an Attitude No Law	Posted - 2008.04.15 19:32:00 - [84] seriously, this was the only way to remove the cap on trit prices? how about, not being able to refine shuttles or reduce the trit usage of shuttles or tripple shuttle price Unbelievable. just unbelievable. somebody really has a plate in front of his face. One of the dumbest things done up till now.
Zaknussem Caldari The Ironbreakers	Posted - 2008.04.15 19:35:00 - [85] After finally applying the patch and playing for a good five minutes, I can say the following: # The open/close cargohold toggle is broken, as a closed cargohold window will pop open again when you jump through a stargate. # Running two or more clients and then alt-tabbing between them is even more likely to cause a crash than it did before the patch. I've had two crashes in the last five minutes alone. # I decided trying to run a mission, and a window popped up marked "Important Information", telling me that my agent would be unhappy if I turned down his mission or failed to meet the deadline for it. Were any changes made to the accepting/declining of missions with the new patch?
Helison Gallente Times of Ancar Pure.	Posted - 2008.04.15 19:36:00 - [86] Originally by: CCP Gangleri Because making players poorer through direct action from CCP would go down so much smoother? The technicalities do not matter anymore, the deed is done. It was given thought and executed. There is no longer a cap on Tritanium price, there is more stuff for players to play the market with. These effects are both a huge benefit to the players, the downside is that shuttles are not available is every NPC station, I'd say the pros outweigh the cons quite heavily. Well, the cons of changing the mins distribution would have been negligible. Yes, hoarders of shuttles would have lost a bit (when changing 4 trit to 1 pyer, 16 trit to 1 mex and so one...) as the trit-price is as high at the moment, but this is their own risk. Removing shuttles completly from the NPC-market is in my eyes a bad decision, as it removes one of the advantages of shuttles, which is the price and the availibility. For most manufacturers shuttles just don¦t bring enough profit, specially with the long production time (same as frigates). So i would be surprised, if we would find any reasonable priced shuttles in 1-2 months outside of market hubs.
Terminus adacai Caldari	Posted - 2008.04.15 19:39:00 - [87] Originally by: Kaimon ValDreth Hell It might be worth mining veld in a hulk again? It has been. Trit has been on a steady increase for some time now. I always wondered why I even bothered to write buy orders for shuttles for 500-1k isk... I now have several thousand shuttles and my hats off to CCP on this one... Opinions reflected on my posts are just that, my opinions. They do not reflect views held by my corp or alliance.
Uzuness Carebear Corp	Posted - 2008.04.15 19:40:00 - [88] As I said in the thread I made.. which was closed for no good reason. :D When I log in, all I get is this: "Could not connect to the specified address. Odds are that you have not established an internet connection, the server isn't running, or the server address or port number was wrong." I uninstalled/redownloaded/installed the client.. deleted all data.. still no dice. Oh, and I keep randomly getting logged in/out of these forums.. which is strange, since it doesn't happen to other forums I go to. ----------------- I am death, the destroyer of worlds.
Xelloss Metallum	Posted - 2008.04.15 19:42:00 - [89] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro People would have hoarded immense quantities of trit, leading to unpleasantness all round. The real question now is this: what's the next best NPC source of trit, and how much does it work out at per unit? Macrominers.
Duvida Gallente The Phalanx Expeditionary Conglomerate The Gemini Project	Posted - 2008.04.15 19:47:00 - [90] FPS is normal again. Thanks for the repair work, CCP!
Fiorenza	Posted - 2008.04.15 19:54:00 - [91] Interesting that CCP chose to lock the thread where people complained about a wide variety of file corruption problems and keep the one where people complained about shuttles. For the record, this patch screwed my Vista. I had to repair from the installation disk. -- Remember, Concord doesn't provide safety, or even consequences
EvilSpork Invicta.	Posted - 2008.04.15 20:03:00 - [92] Originally by: CCP Wrangler This has been added to the patch notes: NPC corporations will no longer be selling shuttles. wow way to go ahead and throw a monkey wrench into an economy already spiraling into inflation.. this is just going to make that WAY worse. BAD MOVE CPP.
Fastercart Gallente Ihatalo Heavy Industries Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.15 20:03:00 - [93] Originally by: Uzuness Oh, and I keep randomly getting logged in/out of these forums.. which is strange, since it doesn't happen to other forums I go to. If you're using Firefox, I got this too. I had to go to Tools > Options > Show Cookies, and delete all my eve-online.com cookies (www.eve-online.com, myeve, and srch.eve-online.com). Then, I had to go to Exceptions and change the above sites from Blocked to Allow (one at a time). Firefox gets fussy about cross-domain cookies occasionally. __ Rorqual AKA Mega Maid Oh, my God. It's Mega Maid. She's gone from suck to blow.
Koti Resci Knighthawk Light Industries	Posted - 2008.04.15 20:04:00 - [94] Originally by: CCP Wrangler The NPC corporations selling shuttles created a price cap on tritanium, as reported in our second EconDev Blog, which has been removed with this change. Shuttle blueprints are of course available in every station. Too bad not every station has manufacturing facilities.
Sturmwolke School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.04.15 20:04:00 - [95] Patch works fine. No immediate issues for the 3 different systems it was installed on. Kudos to CCP devs for being responsive in the patch thread .... much better than the last 1.1 debacle. Unfortunately, the biggest nag for me, drone window still resets and snaps to the overview in 1680x1050. Shouldn't this have been a simple fix to implement? P.S Lol at the shuttles. Thank goodness I'd already bought and ME researched my own BPO weeks ago :)
WiseMan Ari Spartan Industries Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.15 20:12:00 - [96] game wount start since patch. When i tried to start the game after patching i got some wierd message saying game was moving offensive (can't remember for sure if the word was offensive, but it was something simular) files to some other directory. And when tried to start again after the reboot it asked for the game instantly closes, i see the splash screen for alot less than a second. Hate patching now :( And you realy need give every ship a shuttle cargo bay or something, so that you can actualy bring one along when you're moving ships. Gonna be a serious pain otherwise [This space for rent] Support the NSPDP National Society For the Protection of Discriminated Pirates
Sae Liao Cellular Automaton Solutions	Posted - 2008.04.15 20:14:00 - [97] Originally by: CCP Gangleri Because making players poorer through direct action from CCP would go down so much smoother? It's been done many times in the past, why should this be treated any different. Inconveniencing your entire playerbase till the end of timce, 'cause someone "might" have a million shuttles sitting in his hangar isn't very smart I'm afraid. Originally by: CCP Gangleri The technicalities do not matter anymore, the deed is done. It was given thought and executed. There is no longer a cap on Tritanium price, there is more stuff for players to play the market with. These effects are both a huge benefit to the players, the downside is that shuttles are not available is every NPC station, I'd say the pros outweigh the cons quite heavily. Yeah I'm sure there'll be plenty scammers "playing the market", I get to pay more for pretty much everything (which isn't so bad, the cap had to go) it'll take me longer to get anywhere AND while logistics always have been a PITA in EVE it just got a lot worse. Why couldn't you just make them refine into nothing while leaving the production requirements alone. I doubt anyone would complain even if they had a shuttle in EVERY station! If someone stockpiled millions of shuttles to play the resource market they had it coming anyay.
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.04.15 20:29:00 - [98] Ok, I have to do a full install of the eve client EACH fracking time I want to play the game. Every 10 minutes when it disconnects me, I have to re-install the full client to get it to load one single time. I am a sad panda
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2008.04.15 20:31:00 - [99] I was a little put off by the nuisance factor of the shuttle change, but thinking about it more, between podflying, player-supplied shuttles, and the NPC-supplied T1 frigs available at many stations, this isn't going to be very much of an inconvenience at all. Of course, that last thing kind of throws a wrench into some of the other arguments being given here about the economics. (i.e., the people saying that they couldn't have just raised the price of shuttles or lowered their trit output because that would just be putting a new floor in place.) But I don't care much about that, even though it should be a much bigger deal to me. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Dominatus Crispus Gallente Genesis Rising	Posted - 2008.04.15 20:36:00 - [100] Does anyone have any idea what was fixed when they where referring to: EXPLOIT FIXES - Several exploit issues have been fixed, making EVE a better world to live in for us all. I can't seem to find any details regarding anything that was "fixed" ____________________ omg, no sig... i must be boring... :p
Altaree Red Frog Investments Blue Sky Consortium	Posted - 2008.04.15 20:38:00 - [101] um, what NPC supplied t1 frigates... I don't see any in jita... Blue Sky
Frelix Blueprint Haus Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.04.15 20:40:00 - [102] Originally by: Altaree um, what NPC supplied t1 frigates... I don't see any in jita... Maybe he means the newb t1 frigates.

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2008.04.15 20:47:00 - [103] Originally by: Dominatus Crispus Does anyone have any idea what was fixed when they where referring to: EXPLOIT FIXES - Several exploit issues have been fixed, making EVE a better world to live in for us all. I can't seem to find any details regarding anything that was "fixed" We can only publish details on exploits when both the clusters, Tranquility and Serenity, have been updated. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Maverick Ice	Posted - 2008.04.15 20:56:00 - [104] Here is a shocking idea for you CCP, make Rookie Ships available on the market for 100 ISK. Gives people a ship to play with if they want to travel in something other than a capsule, and doesn't affect mineral economies.
Venatoris Portucalis Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2008.04.15 21:03:00 - [105] Science & Industry Screen settings define by user, i have bug reported it before and was classifyed has been fixed in 1.2... still buged just like before... already updated the bug report... Overview and fleet windows still mess around with each other (yeah just like before). Fleet window keeps on insisting to go under overview pushing the selected item window out of the screen... Docking and undock will reset the selected overview filter (yeah just like before) Cargo n scanner window auto-pops up when u jump through a gate up if u have close it by pressing the their boutton, if instead u pressing the X in the window it will stay closed If CCP does have anyone in QA, please fire them and hire some ppl that actuly know how to test things. Vena The views expressed here are my personal views, and in no way represent my corporation views. Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
DeODokktor Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium	Posted - 2008.04.15 21:07:00 - [106] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Leonora Webb I'm getting a small (but annoying) bug, when opening and closing the cargo and scanner using the new toggleable buttons on the UI, then performing a stargate jump, the windows pop back open again. Originally by: ZaKma This is broken if the cargo is in a stack. The cargo closes, but the stack remains open thus leaving you with a unusable empty stack. Both issues have been fixed internally, will be released in a later patch. Originally by: Calyce Originally by: Randolf Sightblinder Did anyone cruise the high sec asteroid or ice belts? Are they cleaner? won't happen for another 30 days... the timer is installed now.... The timer was installed when Trinity 1.1 was released, the first cleanup occurs in DT tomorrow, 16 April. Is there a tool in place for GM's to restore deleted cans when the system DELETES every can in the game because the system is F00b?..
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2008.04.15 21:14:00 - [107] Originally by: Frelix Originally by: Altaree um, what NPC supplied t1 frigates... I don't see any in jita... Maybe he means the newb t1 frigates. Nope, but maybe it was a bug and/or been fixed. (I meant to add an "I think?" in the above quote.) Not long ago, you could get things like Slashers and Bursts from NPC sell orders. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Ryy Kishin Absolutely No Retreat Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.15 21:38:00 - [108] Originally by: Maverick Ice Here is a shocking idea for you CCP, make Rookie Ships available on the market for 100 ISK. Gives people a ship to play with if they want to travel in something other than a capsule, and doesn't affect mineral economies. Why when you can dock at a station in your pod where you have no ships and your supplied with one. ------------------------------------------------ Live Hard Die Young Leave A Good Looking Corpse.
DukeJoost1 The Last Solution Inc	Posted - 2008.04.15 21:39:00 - [109] Originally by: CCP Gangleri Because making players poorer through direct action from CCP would go down so much smoother? ....... just like you did when the price for the Efficient Equipment Assembly Array was reduced from 450M to 57M in the previous patch ? That did go down smooth. I even petitioned but no compensation. Thanks again.
Tarh Assiliof ICE is Coming to EVE Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.04.15 21:58:00 - [110] Originally by: Ryy Kishin Originally by: Maverick Ice Here is a shocking idea for you CCP, make Rookie Ships available on the market for 100 ISK. Gives people a ship to play with if they want to travel in something other than a capsule, and doesn't affect mineral economies. Why when you can dock at a station in your pod where you have no ships and your supplied with one. You get a free rookie ship with 1 trit in cargo :)
Mantees Gallente Hikage Corporation Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.04.15 22:13:00 - [111] Originally by: CCP Saint Update 2008.04.15: This has been added to the patch notes: NPC corporations will no longer be selling shuttles. Free market FTW!!!1111 I approve this decision -- OGRank.com - EVE Online - MMORPG News
Kerfira University of Caille	Posted - 2008.04.15 22:21:00 - [112] Edited by: Kerfira on 15/04/2008 22:22:01 Actually there's nothing bad about the decision to make shuttles a player created item. As other people has said, if you really need a <small ship> to zip around in, just dock in a station where you have no ships stored, and you'll get a new noob ship. Or you can just fly in your pod. What's MUCH more interesting is how this'll affect the trit prices. I don't think it'll be a lot, but consider this..... Every shuttle ever sold from NPC sellers eventually ends up in one of three ways: 1. Abandoned in space or a hangar somewhere 2. Blown up 3. Refined My guess is the vast majority ends up as #3. This means there'll now be less trit 'produced' (even though nobody intentionally did so), but I don't think it'll be really noticeable (think the amount is not significant). Another issue is that this removes an ISK sink from the game. While probably not a significant one either, it'd be interesting to hear from Dr. whatever-his-name-is (the economy guy) what the exact numbers were for this and trit (at least in percentages). Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Kerfira University of Caille	Posted - 2008.04.15 22:28:00 - [113] Thanks for the partial fix for the overview, at least the windows doesn't get pushed off screen anymore which was REALLY annoying. It's still not good, but IS a bit better. Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Deva Blackfire D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.15 23:15:00 - [114] BOOST NOOBSHIPS! So at least i can get ot destination AFK faster than within next week.
HighlanderUK International Brotherhood	Posted - 2008.04.15 23:22:00 - [115] Market Quickbar working as it should - thanks for that, it was a nightmare selling 300+ items and the order to be all jumbled up. Can you please restore the Export to File and Buy Order buttons back to the middle bar between the Sell and Buy Orders, they are too low down the screen now, and interfere with hanger and other windows. Can we also please have a shortcut key capability for the 'Export to File' button, under health and safety to prevent carpel tunnel / RSI?? Thanks. p.s. hope the trit price doesn't rocket in price, i have hungry children to feed, i'm just a poor trader/industrialist.....:( ************************************************** Maker of the finest Scottish drones and ammo...all combined with Active Peat Camouflage (tm) -- so dark, you won't see them coming!!
Nethras Minmatar	Posted - 2008.04.15 23:26:00 - [116] Originally by: Kerfira Edited by: Kerfira on 15/04/2008 22:22:01 Actually there's nothing bad about the decision to make shuttles a player created item. As other people has said, if you really need a <small ship> to zip around in, just dock in a station where you have no ships stored, and you'll get a new noob ship. Or you can just fly in your pod. I believe that the mass*inertia modifier of a rookie frig is about 3 times that of a shuttle, and something like 40% higher than that of a Rifter, meaning worse align times - for low-sec, I really don't like flying in a pod though it's an option, and I'd rather have a shuttle than a rookie frig for align times. However, if leaving NPC production of shuttles out of the economy is best, I'm sure we can all work around it, and really isn't directly bad in any way. I would prefer that the packaged size of shuttles be reduced down to 100 m3 or less to reduce the inconvenience though, and as the 2500 trit in a shuttle only takes 25 m3 in raw form, a reduction in packaged shuttle size down to something larger than 25 m3 shouldn't have any economic impact other than making transportation of shuttles a little easier for the new player shuttle market right?
Veng3ance Multiversal Enterprise Inc. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2008.04.15 23:27:00 - [117] Edited by: Veng3ance on 15/04/2008 23:33:52 Edited by: Veng3ance on 15/04/2008 23:29:23 Originally by: CCP Wrangler This has been added to the patch notes: NPC corporations will no longer be selling shuttles. I understand the economics, but why guys, you could have just doubled the NPC cost of shuttles, or lowered the refine amount. You really think making shuttles double cost would make or lose anyone a fortune? I HIGHLY doubt anyone has that many shuttles. Compare this to the vast inconvenience of not having shuttles in NPC stations anymore. Also, you have not removed the cap from trit, you just moved it to a different item so whatever. EDIT: If this was any other NPC good I wouldn't care, but shuttles are insanely useful and sometimes needed in totally obscure places where no one would ever seed a market. So honestly this change just plain sucks. EDIT #2: Also "the deed is done" , you guys have a downtime EVERY DAY. Re-seed them LOL.
Raneru Maximegalon	Posted - 2008.04.16 00:01:00 - [118] What happened to the old custom windowed resolutions such as 1600x900 ? I'm currently stuck playing eve in a 1280x960 window on a 1680x1050 monitor
Letouk Mernel	Posted - 2008.04.16 00:01:00 - [119] Originally by: Veng3ance Also, you have not removed the cap from trit, you just moved it to a different item so whatever. Which item? Nothing's been sold by NPC's for a long time now, everything made by players and sold by players.
violator2k5 Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.04.16 01:07:00 - [120] any idea when you will be fixing the crashing issues for those of us in that 19 page thread?? i was really hoping that we would of got that in this patch but no the crashes are still happening and its really spoiling the game for those of us with those issues 19 page thread about it which hasnt been fixed yet ---------------------------- BOB 4 LIFE NOT JUST 4 A DAY ----------------------------
Xanja 2H Industries	Posted - 2008.04.16 01:22:00 - [121] "Your Eve client installation may have modified,damaged or corrupt files. Please re-install the game client. Verification failed:C:\program Files\CCP\EVE\bin\vivoxsdk.dll" This happened after the game has happily been restarted a few times after the patch. Please CCP tell me where I can download a new vivoxsdk.dll, if it is indeed corrupted, as I really don't want to have to download a whole new client again. That it is Vivox, a "feature" I, like so many, never wanted or asked for is causing this is even more of a slap in the face -----------------
FLUD	Posted - 2008.04.16 02:07:00 - [122] Originally by: Randolf Sightblinder Originally by: Calyce won't happen for another 30 days... the timer is installed now.... Thanks must have misunderstood the notes. I thought the timer was in on 1.1 and they didn't run the cleanup till today instead of the 12th the official 30 day mark. Randolf This doesn't make sense since most of them are down in the negative values already. Their timers were not reset with the patch. If they go another 30 days then they will be -35. They technically should pop after the next scheduled downtime as the timer would see a negative value and remove them.
Kylegar Caldari Dawn of Fire Black-Out	Posted - 2008.04.16 02:29:00 - [123] To be totally honest, Removing NPC sell orders for shuttles is, I think, the BEST thing to happen to the Eve since I started playing. It totally frees up the market, and, a PvPer like I am, it can make Pirating more profitable, Lowsec more profitable, 0.0 more fun (More miners go gank YEA!). Overall, I think this is a very monumental, and GOOD change -- Originally by: CCP Ginger No sex changes.
Jonas Vinthyn Cassandra's Light Caeruleum Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.16 02:42:00 - [124] Since the patch all our Alliance POS's are shooting at other corps in the alliance. This did NOT happen yesterday. For example Corp A and Corp B both have towers in a system. Corp A member warps to Corp B's tower to a bookmark INSIDE the shields. Hes completely fine. He warps anywhere OUTSIDE the shields and the tower fires on him. First think I thought was standings but derived standings for corps in same alliance I thought was +10. So just in case Corp A change standings to alliance to +10 to make sure. No change....guns are still firing on corps in the alliance if your outside shields but you can safely warp into the shields and out somewhere else. Please confirm this.....this is fairly serious. -Jonas My POS - POS Fitting and Fuel Calc Stats!
Waterfowl Democracy The Ministry of Indigenous Affairs GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.04.16 02:45:00 - [125] When are the list of fixed exploits going to be released? Normally they are released after the patch that fixes them but not so far.
Paddlefoot Aeon Neogen Industries Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2008.04.16 04:22:00 - [126] Originally by: Kylegar To be totally honest, Removing NPC sell orders for shuttles is, I think, the BEST thing to happen to the Eve since I started playing. It totally frees up the market, and, a PvPer like I am, it can make Pirating more profitable, Lowsec more profitable, 0.0 more fun (More miners go gank YEA!). Overall, I think this is a very monumental, and GOOD change Lowsec won't be more profitable. Trit prices will go up, and minerals like Nocx and Isogen will go down in price. There will be more profit and WAYYYY less risk mining in highsec than in lowsec, and this is a major problem. Now Recruiting. Join "Neogen" channel for details
Maya Sollow Gallente Product Number 3	Posted - 2008.04.16 04:31:00 - [127] Originally by: malcotch I still cannot approach a bookmark. If I right click on space, I can warp to my bookmarks But once I am there, I cannot right click and approach bookmarks. Very frustrating as I have 4 containers in each belt, all bookmarked and I cannot approach each one using 'right click' I'm sure this was ok before 1.1 I second this, it was something i noticed before this patch and did work before 1.1. Havnt tried it recently i thought it might be my client or something If you have 2 bookmarks in a belt and you warp to 1 of them, if you right click and try to approach the other, the ship just sits there and does nothing.
Neddy Fox Hadean Drive Yards	Posted - 2008.04.16 06:11:00 - [128] When I clone-jumped, and restarted training, the skill-page didn't refresh , and no timer was shown. The skill WAS training however (blinking dot). Stopping, and restarting didn't help, neither did closing your character page and re-opening it. Restarting the client did help. If it happens more, I'll file a bugreport.
Daan Sai HAZCON Inc	Posted - 2008.04.16 06:28:00 - [129] Without the shuttle cap, I wonder if Battleship insurance/refinement will now serve to modulate the low end min prices.
Egavar Nocitpeced	Posted - 2008.04.16 06:35:00 - [130] I keep getting this when I try to close out of Eve "Eve:Evefile.exe Application Error: the instruction at "0x04074d75" referenced memory at "0x00000000" The memory could not be "read" " That or it just locks up the entire system. Never had any problems before the 1.2 patch.
Daan Sai HAZCON Inc	Posted - 2008.04.16 07:06:00 - [131] If you jump clone to a station with no ships or shuttles, how do you get into a pod/ship to undock? Before you could always get a shuttle.....
Kerfira University of Caille	Posted - 2008.04.16 07:11:00 - [132] Originally by: Daan Sai Without the shuttle cap, I wonder if Battleship insurance/refinement will now serve to modulate the low end min prices. That's actually a very good point. The fixed (high) amounts paid out by insurance puts a floor on the overall mineral prices. Just another reason EVE has outrun the need for the current insurance system. It really should be removed or at least restricted heavily. Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Crime Zero Black Thorne Corporation	Posted - 2008.04.16 08:33:00 - [133] Following the yesterday's patch, my FPS has gone from low 20's to around 60+ ... Nice work CCP!
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2008.04.16 08:35:00 - [134] Originally by: Daan Sai If you jump clone to a station with no ships or shuttles, how do you get into a pod/ship to undock? Before you could always get a shuttle.... I think if you try to undock from a station where you have no ships, you get a free rookie ship, which warps at 3.0 au/s instead of 6, goes half the speed of a shuttle out of warp and aligns much more slowly (as well as generally looking rather ugly). When moving ships around to a new location, not having shuttles everywhere is a major blow. People are just going to have to warp around in pods, which are even slower than rookie ships iirc. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Kerfira University of Caille	Posted - 2008.04.16 09:59:00 - [135] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro When moving ships around to a new location, not having shuttles everywhere is a major blow. People are just going to have to warp around in pods, which are even slower than rookie ships iirc. Major whine (not just this poster).... If this is a 'Major Blow', then honestly you need a sense of perspective. How is this in any way different from not having any other ship type available when you want it???? This is a GOOD change: 1. It removes an artificial ceiling on one mineral price. 2. It expands the opportunities for budding builders. 3. It reduces the amount of Trit artificially inserted into the economy. 4. It doesn't really affect anyone (noob ships are still free). ...lots of whining over nothing.... Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Daan Sai HAZCON Inc	Posted - 2008.04.16 10:51:00 - [136] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro I think if you try to undock from a station where you have no ships, you get a free rookie ship,... OK, that's cool. Well this should be fun, better get building :)
Ravens Aunt	Posted - 2008.04.16 11:43:00 - [137] Since the patch I seem to be taking slight shield damage on leaving a station (promise I do not sc*****the sides!). Anyone else getting this?? RA
Khanto Thor Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.04.16 11:53:00 - [138] Originally by: Ravens Aunt Since the patch I seem to be taking slight shield damage on leaving a station (promise I do not sc*****the sides!). Anyone else getting this?? RA Yes, my shield go red (5%) but it corrects itself once the speed settles!
Tabea Knute	Posted - 2008.04.16 14:16:00 - [139] Originally by: Ravens Aunt Since the patch I seem to be taking slight shield damage on leaving a station (promise I do not sc*****the sides!). Anyone else getting this?? RA Hm, do you missed the corner and or have touched another ship? Don't drink and fly! And yes, it is since years and not a real problem.
Veng3ance Multiversal Enterprise Inc. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2008.04.16 14:55:00 - [140] Originally by: Kylegar To be totally honest, Removing NPC sell orders for shuttles is, I think, the BEST thing to happen to the Eve since I started playing. It totally frees up the market, and, a PvPer like I am, it can make Pirating more profitable, Lowsec more profitable, 0.0 more fun (More miners go gank YEA!). Overall, I think this is a very monumental, and GOOD change Actually it just makes Empire more profitable then low-sec. Also, no one mines trit in 0.0, so really unless your a Macro miner or suicide ganker this change is actually a negative. On top of that it will create logistical nightmares, thus is the end you will actually end up paying more for your goods which means LESS pvp not more.
Matthew Caldari BloodStar Technologies	Posted - 2008.04.16 18:11:00 - [141] Originally by: Kerfira This means there'll now be less trit 'produced' (even though nobody intentionally did so), but I don't think it'll be really noticeable (think the amount is not significant). I did the maths for this in another thread, based on Q42007 QEN data. Came out at about 2 billion units of trit per month assuming every shuttle bought ends up being refined, with the same again in increased demand assuming players step in to supply all previous shuttle demand. While that sounds a lot, it's actually only 0.5% of monthly traded volume, so I wouldn't expect to see drastic effects. Originally by: Kerfira Another issue is that this removes an ISK sink from the game. While probably not a significant one either, it'd be interesting to hear from Dr. whatever-his-name-is (the economy guy) what the exact numbers were for this and trit (at least in percentages). Again, taking from the Q42007 QEN, my estimate was approx 800k shuttles per month (which is likely to be on the high side). At 9000 isk per shuttle that works out at sinking 7.2 billion isk per month. Taking figures from the Q32007 QEN (the most recent I could find), suggests that isk sinks were consuming an average of 365 billion isk per day. Assuming a 30 day month, that means isk is sunk at a rate of 10,950 billion isk per month. Making the shuttle isk sink just 0.066% of all isk being sunk. So I can't see it's removal having a significant effect.
Oakrayven	Posted - 2008.04.16 19:44:00 - [142] Edited by: Oakrayven on 16/04/2008 19:45:36 Originally by: Veng3ance Edited by: Veng3ance on 15/04/2008 23:33:52 Edited by: Veng3ance on 15/04/2008 23:29:23 Originally by: CCP Wrangler This has been added to the patch notes: NPC corporations will no longer be selling shuttles. Also, you have not removed the cap from trit, you just moved it to a different item so whatever. Bingo. the only thing this does is complicate the math because of the base prices of the other minerals in the other items needs to be takein into account. . . oh wait! I can script a spread sheet to do EXACTLY THAT FOR ME! and the floor remains the "Insurance fraud" price. So the net efect is Shifting the cap to something else, and removeing a minor cash sink in the game. . . Except that now something else will function as that cash sink eh.
Crazy Yuri Caldari	Posted - 2008.04.16 21:58:00 - [143] >>> NPC corporations will no longer be selling shuttles. <<< I have mixed feelings about this development. While I think I prefer a player driven economy I think doing this to shuttles as a "fix" to another problem only creates more problems than it fixes Pros: 1. It makes shuttles a player driven commodity. 2. Removes the price cap on Tritanium Cons: 1 It makes shuttles a player driven commodity. This is a problem because in the more empty areas of high sec and low sec there will be no shuttles for sale anywhere for any price. In a sense, its a stealth nerf to low sec. 2. It further contrains public manufacturing of goods. 3. This is perceived by the MMO community as a whole as a bad short sighted "nerf" in the sense that there were better solutuions to the problem that would both fix the problem and not create a new one. My suggestions for the shuttle fix. 1. Double the NPC price of shuttles. 18,000 isk is still very trivial even to a 1 month player. This alone would fix the Trit cap unless of course the price pushed to 7 isk per. 2. Cut the refine of shuttles by 50%. This keeps the price cheap as before but makes the refine/isk ratio bad enough to discourage reprocessing. 3. Reduce npc sell orders to 1. This makes buying shuttles in bulk to be a chore. I would say #1 is the best solution. Just double the price of shuttles and be done with it.
Kerfira University of Caille	Posted - 2008.04.16 23:54:00 - [144] Originally by: Crazy Yuri 3. This is perceived by the MMO community as a whole as a bad short sighted "nerf" in the sense that there were better solutuions to the problem that would both fix the problem and not create a new one. Speak for yourself only please. I don't think anyone appointed you 'Head of the MMO community'. I know I for sure didn't elect you to speak for me. There are a few people complaining over this, but by and large the most players I've spoken to are either "Yay! About time!", "Yes, I'm making money!" or "Meh..." about this. It's a small, logical change, and if combined with the removal of other refinable NPC items and removal/restriction on insurance will have a nice positive effect on the player driven market. Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.04.17 01:56:00 - [145] YOUR SHIELDS GO RED BECAUSE OF GANG BONUSES. Someone has siege warfare. blah.
Zaethiel D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.17 02:48:00 - [146] I hope your working on fixing the fighters bugs, werent fixed in this patch =(.
fishblades GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.04.17 03:31:00 - [147] All I know is the FPS bug is finally gone and I'm back to pre trinity FPS yay! You could have been a bit more forthcoming with information though. IF you dont know whats causing the problem at least say you dont and that you're looking into it. All we wanted was come kind of communication.
Bellasarius Baxter Caldari Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.17 05:15:00 - [148] Originally by: fishblades All I know is the FPS bug is finally gone and I'm back to pre trinity FPS yay! You could have been a bit more forthcoming with information though. IF you dont know whats causing the problem at least say you dont and that you're looking into it. All we wanted was come kind of communication. From reading in the other forums, I believe it had to do with "The mysterious start in the north", which turned out to be a bug in the graphics engine....
Arkady Renko	Posted - 2008.04.17 11:48:00 - [149] My scanner is now broke. I get a blank window that needs to be closed/opened repeatedly before it shows something, minimising/maximising does nothing.
Ephemeron Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.17 11:58:00 - [150] Size 12 "expanded" font option does not show text of alliance name, corp name, and title in character Show Info window Changing "expanded" font to "normal" resolves this issue. Premium graphics content. Screen res 1680x1050
Jilly Serkov	Posted - 2008.04.17 12:39:00 - [151] Originally by: Veng3ance Edited by: Veng3ance on 15/04/2008 23:33:52 Edited by: Veng3ance on 15/04/2008 23:29:23 Originally by: CCP Wrangler This has been added to the patch notes: NPC corporations will no longer be selling shuttles. I understand the economics, but why guys, you could have just doubled the NPC cost of shuttles, or lowered the refine amount. You really think making shuttles double cost would make or lose anyone a fortune? I HIGHLY doubt anyone has that many shuttles. Compare this to the vast inconvenience of not having shuttles in NPC stations anymore. Also, you have not removed the cap from trit, you just moved it to a different item so whatever. EDIT: If this was any other NPC good I wouldn't care, but shuttles are insanely useful and sometimes needed in totally obscure places where no one would ever seed a market. So honestly this change just plain sucks. EDIT #2: Also "the deed is done" , you guys have a downtime EVERY DAY. Re-seed them LOL. For this bit read "get a BPO and go create a market". Once you have the attention of local manufacturers from ripping ppl off for shuttles at a mil apiece, competition will resettle the price. I see no problem here, only opportunity
Nekopyat	Posted - 2008.04.17 15:22:00 - [152] Originally by: Kolmogorow Could be reducing the volume of packaged shuttles be a means to compensate this downside so that a shuttle can be easily carried in the cargohold - at least for many ship types? This really needs to be done now, but I am guessing they will not since that would raise the problem of 'build shuttle->move shuttle->reprocess' that CCP addressed with increasing module sizes. sigh They could at least add a 'shuttle bay' to ships though. It always seemed kinda strange that these hulking warships don't have room for even a single 'local errands' shuttle in them. That way people wouldn't use shuttles to move around ore but one could still carry a single ship with them. Hrmm.. maybe add a small hanger (maintance bays were they called?) to every ship larger then a cruiser? just big enough to fit a single shuttle?
Melody Elvisdottir	Posted - 2008.04.17 15:26:00 - [153] not sure if this is a pre trinity bug, but auto targeting system 1 does nothing, no auto targeting, nor max locked targets bonus...
Nethras Minmatar	Posted - 2008.04.17 18:00:00 - [154] Originally by: Nekopyat This [reducing packaged shuttle volume] really needs to be done now, but I am guessing they will not since that would raise the problem of 'build shuttle->move shuttle->reprocess' that CCP addressed with increasing module sizes. Unless the item database has outdated information on shuttles (doubtful), shuttles contain 2500 trit and no other minerals, which takes up 25 m3 - that should mean that any packaged size for shuttles that is at least 25 m3 won't present a way to compress trit for transportation in a normal cargo hold... hmm, ugh, do ship maintainence bays on carriers present a problem here? I don't know how well you can pack trit into that space currently.
0100101001000011	Posted - 2008.04.17 18:04:00 - [155] Removing NPC shuttles is exactly the same crap as the changes of ore compression. Instead of changing the price or the ammount of trit which would only affect the ones who exploit this, the shuttles are removed completely which affects everyone who gets stuck on a station far out... This is the second time I get hit by a major nerf just because industrials exploit some game mechanics. Maybe I should start making their life harder too?
Eirlie	Posted - 2008.04.17 23:44:00 - [156] Originally by: 0100101001000011 Removing NPC shuttles is exactly the same crap as the changes of ore compression. Instead of changing the price or the ammount of trit which would only affect the ones who exploit this, the shuttles are removed completely which affects everyone who gets stuck on a station far out... This is the second time I get hit by a major nerf just because industrials exploit some game mechanics. Maybe I should start making their life harder too? To recap the thread, you're never going to be stuck anywhere because: - If you don't want to fly in your current ship, you can fly in your pod. - If you don't have a current ship, you're automatically provided with a noob ship.
0100101001000011	Posted - 2008.04.18 00:17:00 - [157] Originally by: Eirlie Originally by: 0100101001000011 To recap the thread, you're never going to be stuck anywhere because: - If you don't want to fly in your current ship, you can fly in your pod. - If you don't have a current ship, you're automatically provided with a noob ship. Yep, and flying in low sec in my egg or the slow noob ship is so much better than in a shuttle, or isn't it? Call it what you will, but to me it's just another stupid nerf. And as a consequence I will probably stay inside the empire where I at least won't get shot fun.
Alcair Dovienya TheDoctorIsIn	Posted - 2008.04.18 04:20:00 - [158] The 1.2 patch has completely ruined my installation on my MacBook. I patched from a clean install (download from a fortnight ago) and now I just get a black screen and background music when I run eve. Next step will be to re-download the new client and see if that will run. :(
Alcair Dovienya TheDoctorIsIn	Posted - 2008.04.18 06:44:00 - [159] Originally by: Alcair Dovienya Next step will be to re-download the new client and see if that will run. Nope: clean install from a fresh download gets me nada. baby Jesus is crying
Nekopyat	Posted - 2008.04.18 14:39:00 - [160] Originally by: Nethras Unless the item database has outdated information on shuttles (doubtful), shuttles contain 2500 trit and no other minerals, which takes up 25 m3 - that should mean that any packaged size for shuttles that is at least 25 m3 won't present a way to compress trit for transportation in a normal cargo hold... hmm, ugh, do ship maintainence bays on carriers present a problem here? I don't know how well you can pack trit into that space currently. 25m3 for a shuttle sounds fair. That would satisify the need to carry around a 'local errand runabout' type ship. newbie frigates won't fit the bill since you can't repackage them and thus can't carry them with you. Sure you could generate one but that seems like a bit of a hack and is pretty unrealistic/unelegent.
Anatal Klep	Posted - 2008.04.18 16:22:00 - [161] The Bug Handler filter is not working. I have been submitting BRs for weeks since the 1.1 patch that contain large amounts of diagnostic information on the graphics resets, client crashes, and system lockups that having been plaguing myself and many other players (see this thread, the Windows blog, etc.). Not one has made it to the developers. The game is currently very nearly unplayable if one is a trader because there is clearly a thread problem in the Market. I provide the following diagnostics as a last hope that something will be done before I have to quit the game. (1) It happens for both Windows Vista and XP but seems to be worse for Vista. (2) Most (but not all) players with simlar problems are using NVIDIA 8700 or 8800 cards with current drivers, DirectX10, and passing DxDiag. (3) Running dual monitors or an external monitor from a laptop seem to drastically increase the frequency. (4) Premium graphics makes no difference. (5) The problem started with the 1.1 patch; I and others never had the problem prior to that. In 1.1 there were several failure modes like frequent graphics card resets. (6) With 1.2 the frequency increased but the nature of the problem narrowed to basically one manifestation. The graphics card would lock up and need to be reset. The EVE client stops responding, evidently due to the card lockup. Vista tries to announce EVE is not responding, but any interaction with the UI (e.g., to copy diagnostic information) causes a system lockup that requires a cold reboot. Sometimes Vista never gets a chance to announce the EVE problem and locks up immediately (All log server files are lost.) (7) The problem is almost always preceded by flakiness in the Market display that is manifested by one or more of the following: (7A) The Market does not respond to clicks and has to be closed and re-opened to work properly. (7B) When viewing Price History and selecting a new item, the Price History title does not change even though the prices do for a new selection. (7C) After alternating Details and Price History for different items, when selecting Price History the history displayed is for the last item examined, not the current one. When any of these occur a crash is imminent (within 10 mins and usually within 5 mins). But occassionally there will be a crash without any of these pre-symptoms, usually when the Market has high lag (Buy orders are displayed >5 seconds after Sell orders). (9) Crashes are much more frequent if the market is open when jumping, docking, or warping. Selecting an item just as one warps or jumps increases the crash probability. (10) Fairly intense market activity is required to trigger a crash when just docked a station. One must be looking at lots of items, alternating Details and Price History, creating/modifying Buy/Sell orders. (11) I have not encountered any crashes with 1.2 when I was running missions or other activities that did not involve the Market. The BHs keep saying that the problem is not reproducible or they need log server files (which are not saved in the cold reboot). Ot is not reproducible because it seems fairly obvious that a thread in the market is either stepping on or being stepped on by another client thread. Since threads are inherently asynchronous there is no cookbook, mechanical way to reproduce the problem. So the crash can occur any time from 5 mins to 4 hours. But that is no excuse for not forwarding the diagnostic information to the developers. [I sympathize because I have debugged 3MLOC device drivers with an Assembly debugger and no source listings. But with this much information and source listings it should be possible to make headway on the problem.]
Waterfowl Democracy The Ministry of Indigenous Affairs GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.04.19 10:51:00 - [162] Several exploit issues have been fixed, making EVE a better world to live in for us all. Still waiting on these to be released.
Talos Darkhart Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2008.04.19 11:23:00 - [163] So got to ask but removing the isk cap on Trit has get to have been the macro miners biggest wet dream?
Kerfira University of Caille	Posted - 2008.04.19 15:50:00 - [164] Originally by: Talos Darkhart So got to ask but removing the isk cap on Trit has get to have been the macro miners biggest wet dream? Removing the cap is not magically going to make prices rise. They'll only rise if market conditions dictate it. Before the removal of the cap the market was artificially constricted. Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Waterfowl Democracy The Ministry of Indigenous Affairs GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.04.27 10:23:00 - [165] Originally by: Waterfowl Democracy Several exploit issues have been fixed, making EVE a better world to live in for us all. Still waiting on these to be released. Bumping this thread because they still haven't been released. Is there something that CCP doesn't want us to know?
Wadaya Caldari Trailerpark Industries	Posted - 2008.05.07 10:15:00 - [166] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Dominatus Crispus Does anyone have any idea what was fixed when they where referring to: EXPLOIT FIXES - Several exploit issues have been fixed, making EVE a better world to live in for us all. I can't seem to find any details regarding anything that was "fixed" We can only publish details on exploits when both the clusters, Tranquility and Serenity, have been updated. Hi, it has been 3 weeks. Have you gotten around to doing this yet? Wad
Letouk Mernel	Posted - 2008.05.07 18:10:00 - [167] They haven't fixed the overview issues either. Damned features that they want to keep in despite the annoyances they cause!

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