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Joe Starbreaker Starbreaker Spaceways	Posted - 2008.04.16 22:21:00 - [1] Sentinel?
Ecky X Universal Securities	Posted - 2008.04.16 22:29:00 - [2] I think you mean "Templar"?
None Oftheabove Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2008.04.17 05:30:00 - [3] No. Heavy neut range = 25km Sentinel neut range = 19km
Ishina Fel Caldari Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.04.17 06:57:00 - [4] Originally by: None Oftheabove No. Heavy neut range = 25km Sentinel neut range = 19km By the logic of this forum alt, you shouldn't fly any ship in EVE because some other ship will be able to counter it. And anyone who plays tackler in a Sentinel is to be pitied anyway. The Sentinel makes a great addition to an interceptor gang, because it is fast (can reach 5km/s) and with three small neuts can slap a -54 cap/sec penalty on any unlucky victims... even some capital ships would start worrying then. Plus drone DPS. Plus bonused tracking disruptors (kills Vagabonds like its nothing). And if the target has heavy neuts, its going to use them on your tackling gangmates to be able to GTFO. And then it runs out of cap and can't use them anymore. Bored during Downtime? Why not try Billy Vs. SNAKEMAN!
Inertial The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.04.17 07:03:00 - [5] I think this ship got good Anti-Interceptor possibilities.
None Oftheabove Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2008.04.17 07:53:00 - [6] Edited by: None Oftheabove on 17/04/2008 07:55:34 Why would the above make sense when: * A Kitsune can jam an interceptor OR a battleship from the relative safety of 80km. * A Hyena pilot moving at 4.5km/s and overheated webs @25km is a far greater threat to an interceptor than a Sentinel moving at 3km/s and neuts @20km. Yes, the Sentinel can go faster w/rigs and implants, but so can the Hyena. The only thing the Sentinel has going for it is its drone bay, which is of minor importance in a gang where there are others able to dish out plenty of damage.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists	Posted - 2008.04.17 08:29:00 - [7] Originally by: None Oftheabove Edited by: None Oftheabove on 17/04/2008 07:55:34 Why would the above make sense when: * A Kitsune can jam an interceptor OR a battleship from the relative safety of 80km. * A Hyena pilot moving at 4.5km/s and overheated webs @25km is a far greater threat to an interceptor than a Sentinel moving at 3km/s and neuts @20km. Yes, the Sentinel can go faster w/rigs and implants, but so can the Hyena. The only thing the Sentinel has going for it is its drone bay, which is of minor importance in a gang where there are others able to dish out plenty of damage. Exactly. Sentinel is based on a failed ship: Curse. It is a mini curse. Curse isn't even half as good as rook or huginn. No wonder sentinel sucks. -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare II
Dheorl The Scope	Posted - 2008.04.17 10:27:00 - [8] I personally love my sentinal and I think the only thing I would ever consider changing is the weeniest bit more cap but apart from that it rocks.
Delichon The First Foundation Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2008.04.17 10:32:00 - [9] Don't look at the "54 cap per sec" thingy. Sentinel delivers 300 cap penalty from 1 hit. Meaning - it alpha-dries an inty. No point, no web, no MWD, no nothing. Than you only need 1 neut to keep the inty dry. If anything, I would fly a Sentinel over any other EAF.
Inertial The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.04.17 10:37:00 - [10] Originally by: None Oftheabove Edited by: None Oftheabove on 17/04/2008 07:55:34 Why would the above make sense when: * A Kitsune can jam an interceptor OR a battleship from the relative safety of 80km. * A Hyena pilot moving at 4.5km/s and overheated webs @25km is a far greater threat to an interceptor than a Sentinel moving at 3km/s and neuts @20km. Yes, the Sentinel can go faster w/rigs and implants, but so can the Hyena. The only thing the Sentinel has going for it is its drone bay, which is of minor importance in a gang where there are others able to dish out plenty of damage. The Kitsune sure as hell can't kill a interceptor solo. Maybe if the Interceptor pilot is having a lobotmy while fighting. I am not sure about the Hyena, but I don't think it got the power to go toe to toe against a longer range interceptor once it got it webbed. The Sentinel on the other hand got decent DPS, can Neut the crap out of its enemy, disabling the tank and sometimes also the weapons, while orbiting at 20km, sending its drones to kill the enemy. If we are talking about gang ships, then sure, the Hyana and the Kitsune may be of more use, but the Sentinel is so much more than a gang support ship.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists	Posted - 2008.04.17 11:05:00 - [11] Originally by: Delichon Don't look at the "54 cap per sec" thingy. Sentinel delivers 300 cap penalty from 1 hit. Meaning - it alpha-dries an inty. No point, no web, no MWD, no nothing. Than you only need 1 neut to keep the inty dry. If anything, I would fly a Sentinel over any other EAF. It still sucks. Kitsune is simply by far the best EAS. -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare II
Dheorl The Scope	Posted - 2008.04.17 11:07:00 - [12] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Delichon Don't look at the "54 cap per sec" thingy. Sentinel delivers 300 cap penalty from 1 hit. Meaning - it alpha-dries an inty. No point, no web, no MWD, no nothing. Than you only need 1 neut to keep the inty dry. If anything, I would fly a Sentinel over any other EAF. It still sucks. Kitsune is simply by far the best EAS. I'd love to see a kitsune try and take down a half decent cruiser solo.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists	Posted - 2008.04.17 11:09:00 - [13] Originally by: Dheorl I'd love to see a kitsune try and take down a half decent cruiser solo. I'd like you to show me a solo cruiser kill in a sentinel. I'm pretty sure you make up alot of stuff. (I know it is possible but it doesn't mean anyone has done it) Even if you manage to show me one case I could solo that cruiser in a T1 frig aswell. -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare II
Dheorl The Scope	Posted - 2008.04.17 11:30:00 - [14] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Dheorl I'd love to see a kitsune try and take down a half decent cruiser solo. I'd like you to show me a solo cruiser kill in a sentinel. I'm pretty sure you make up alot of stuff. (I know it is possible but it doesn't mean anyone has done it) Even if you manage to show me one case I could solo that cruiser in a T1 frig aswell. I would but I don't have a killboard atm. I'll try and drag up a kill someone else has done if I can find one. After having a quick flick through battle clinic to see if you have actually flown a sentinel no wonder you can't do anything with it. You have quite possibly the worst fit I've seen.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists	Posted - 2008.04.17 11:33:00 - [15] Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 17/04/2008 11:32:53 Originally by: Dheorl I would but I don't have a killboard atm. I'll try and drag up a kill someone else has done if I can find one. After having a quick flick through battle clinic to see if you have actually flown a sentinel no wonder you can't do anything with it. You have quite possibly the worst fit I've seen. My fit has nothing to do with the absence of solo sentinel cruiser kills. Show me these mythical kills.
Dheorl The Scope	Posted - 2008.04.17 11:43:00 - [16] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 17/04/2008 11:32:53 Originally by: Dheorl I would but I don't have a killboard atm. I'll try and drag up a kill someone else has done if I can find one. After having a quick flick through battle clinic to see if you have actually flown a sentinel no wonder you can't do anything with it. You have quite possibly the worst fit I've seen. My fit has nothing to do with the absence of solo sentinel cruiser kills. Show me these mythical kills. No, your fit does however probably have something to do with why you think the sentinel is so rubbish. Still trying to find solo kills. Haven't yet found a way of searching for ship type though which makes it alot harder. Maybe I'm just being a nubbins.
Idxx Amarr Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.04.17 11:51:00 - [17] I'm new to dps and haven't flown the sentinel yet, but Im training for it now. I'm excited about the possibility of it doing something useful in a group that isn't done by everyone, i.e. its neither dps, nor tackle, but still helpful.
Zhecao Vai Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.04.17 11:57:00 - [18] I have a little bit of experience flying the Sentinel around in gangs and in the fifth tournament, and I think that it's a fine gang ship. It can cruise around, apply TDs, and keep itself entertained by chasing interceptors and frigates around. The Kitsune is probably more useful in protracted fights, but I would say that just represents the fact that ECM is stronger than other electronic warfare right now.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists	Posted - 2008.04.17 12:15:00 - [19] Originally by: Zhecao Vai I have a little bit of experience flying the Sentinel around in gangs and in the fifth tournament, and I think that it's a fine gang ship. It can cruise around, apply TDs, and keep itself entertained by chasing interceptors and frigates around. The Kitsune is probably more useful in protracted fights, but I would say that just represents the fact that ECM is stronger than other electronic warfare right now. Exactly. Frigs either tackle or they disrupt. ECM >> TDs and webs tackle >> neuts. Sentinel is a half assed ship.
Dheorl The Scope	Posted - 2008.04.17 12:48:00 - [20] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Zhecao Vai I have a little bit of experience flying the Sentinel around in gangs and in the fifth tournament, and I think that it's a fine gang ship. It can cruise around, apply TDs, and keep itself entertained by chasing interceptors and frigates around. The Kitsune is probably more useful in protracted fights, but I would say that just represents the fact that ECM is stronger than other electronic warfare right now. Exactly. Frigs either tackle or they disrupt. ECM >> TDs and webs tackle >> neuts. Sentinel is a half assed ship. You seem to be forgetting it can fit 3 bonused TD's which you put in the same class of usefulness as webs/tackle.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists	Posted - 2008.04.17 12:58:00 - [21] Originally by: Dheorl You seem to be forgetting it can fit 3 bonused TD's which you put in the same class of usefulness as webs/tackle. Ok simply put. If there is one ecm ship and one long range web ship in your little-medium sized gang there is no need for a sentinel nor a curse.
Dheorl The Scope	Posted - 2008.04.17 13:01:00 - [22] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Dheorl You seem to be forgetting it can fit 3 bonused TD's which you put in the same class of usefulness as webs/tackle. Ok simply put. If there is one ecm ship and one long range web ship in your little-medium sized gang there is no need for a sentinel nor a curse. What, so in say a 10 man gang you can effectivly knock everyone out of the fight with just those 2 ships? Now if you bring in a curse as well you probably can.
Lisento Slaven Amarr The Drekla Consortium	Posted - 2008.04.17 13:15:00 - [23] I'd toss 4 light ECM's in there... --- Put in space whales!
Zhecao Vai Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.04.17 13:26:00 - [24] What do you mean, there's no need? Maybe there's no need, but what's the harm? I'd say that TDs are actually pretty synergistic with Rapiers and Huginns, since you can team up to web midrange turret ships like HACs and BCs and drop their optimal into the dumps, making them helpless.
None Oftheabove Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2008.04.17 14:18:00 - [25] Edited by: None Oftheabove on 17/04/2008 14:20:13 Quote: Meaning - it alpha-dries an inty. No point, no web, no MWD, no nothing. The issue is: * Even after you've nuked its cap, an mwdless but unwebbed interceptor is still moving faster than an mwding interceptor with two webs. * If a single battleship w/heavy neut or nano-hac w/medium neut shows up (which is a large percentage of pvp-fitted ships), your capacitor warfare is useless because you cannot afford to get anywhere near those ships. I understand that the Sentinel is the better solo ship - and if running around killing newbies in frigates is your thing, it could do all right. However, for fulfilling its intended role in gang warfare, I don't see how you can dispute that the Sentinel is much worse than the other two EAS (It's not even worth mentioning the stillborn Keres).
Dheorl The Scope	Posted - 2008.04.17 14:26:00 - [26] Originally by: None Oftheabove Edited by: None Oftheabove on 17/04/2008 14:20:13 Quote: Meaning - it alpha-dries an inty. No point, no web, no MWD, no nothing. The issue is: * Even after you've nuked its cap, an mwdless but unwebbed interceptor is still moving faster than an mwding interceptor with two webs. * If a single battleship w/heavy neut or nano-hac w/medium neut shows up (which is a large percentage of pvp-fitted ships), your capacitor warfare is useless because you cannot afford to get anywhere near those ships. I understand that the Sentinel is the better solo ship - and if running around killing newbies in frigates is your thing, it could do all right. However, for fulfilling its intended role in gang warfare, I don't see how you can dispute that the Sentinel is much worse than the other two EAS (It's not even worth mentioning the stillborn Keres). If you get large neuts show up in the fight than the hyena is going to be just as useless. The point with nuking the cap of ceptors though is that they then either have a choice of running with their last burst of speed and escaping or dying, both of which help you gang and the sentinel is just as effective at getting rid of the threat of ceptors as the hyena is. The fact that it uses it's highs to do this means that it has its meds free to help protect your gang against the other ships at the same time and also has a nice drone bay which adds a bit of variety (you can either have ECM drones and just jam up all the annoying little frigs or damage drones to help break some of the tougher tanks or rep drones to get your gang mates back up to scratch after the fight). Tbh I like it and intend to carry on flying it and pimping it more and more as time goes on.
demonfurbie Minmatar Covert-Nexus White Core	Posted - 2008.04.17 14:29:00 - [27] at least its not a keres
Megan Maynard Minmatar Out of Order	Posted - 2008.04.17 14:49:00 - [28] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Delichon Don't look at the "54 cap per sec" thingy. Sentinel delivers 300 cap penalty from 1 hit. Meaning - it alpha-dries an inty. No point, no web, no MWD, no nothing. Than you only need 1 neut to keep the inty dry. If anything, I would fly a Sentinel over any other EAF. It still sucks. Kitsune is simply by far the best EAS. You are probably one of the top three trolls on this forum. Seriously? If someone wants to fly one of these ships I highly suggest it, you will get on alot of kill mails and your gang buddies will be drooling over your ship after 2 hours of kicking ass. All the EAS ships are exceptional for what they do. Kitsune is not simply by far anything. It's a jamming ship. Hyena webs and goes really damn fast. Sentinal will make a pilot pay for not killing it first. And the keres can damp someone below it's scram range. (Which is pretty cool btw.) All the while these ships are EXTREMELY mobile, are hard to catch, and generally make a small gang much much nastier. Are the recons better? Yeah, but chances are you will be primaried as soon as you start fighting. In my rapier, yeah, they all come straight after me. In my hyena, they say oh **, he's going 4500 and his buddies are messing me up......................... Ignore Lyria. EAS V is the best skill I've ever trained. Miz Stelth Bomerz iz the **nit.
Megan Maynard Minmatar Out of Order	Posted - 2008.04.17 14:59:00 - [29] Originally by: demonfurbie at least its not a keres You ever fly one? Properly? Damping a BS below 40 km and scraming him at 36-42 km works pretty well in a gang. it doesn't even need a MWD, and it's extremely cap stable. I've said it before, if you like small gang pvp, train EAS V. You'll love these ships. Miz Stelth Bomerz iz the ****nit.
Etho Demerzel Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone	Posted - 2008.04.17 16:17:00 - [30] Originally by: Megan Maynard Originally by: demonfurbie at least its not a keres You ever fly one? Properly? Damping a BS below 40 km and scraming him at 36-42 km works pretty well in a gang. it doesn't even need a MWD, and it's extremely cap stable. I've said it before, if you like small gang pvp, train EAS V. You'll love these ships. Sorry, but you are more clueless than usual Megan. Dampening a BS bellow 40 km does exactly nothing. And scrambling at 36 km is about the same a tackling interceptor can do with much more survivability. A Keres is completely useless. As are the Arazu and the Lachesis tbh. ===== "If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs." - CCP kieron...

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