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Lyria Skydancer
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Posted - 2008.04.17 23:13:00 -
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 Originally by: Megan Maynard
You are probably one of the top three trolls on this forum. Seriously? If someone wants to fly one of these ships I highly suggest it, you will get on alot of kill mails and your gang buddies will be drooling over your ship after 2 hours of kicking ass.
All the EAS ships are exceptional for what they do.
Kitsune is not simply by far anything. It's a jamming ship.
Hyena webs and goes really damn fast.
Sentinal will make a pilot pay for not killing it first.
And the keres can damp someone below it's scram range. (Which is pretty cool btw.)
All the while these ships are EXTREMELY mobile, are hard to catch, and generally make a small gang much much nastier. Are the recons better? Yeah, but chances are you will be primaried as soon as you start fighting. In my rapier, yeah, they all come straight after me. In my hyena, they say oh ****, he's going 4500 and his buddies are messing me up.........................
Ignore Lyria. EAS V is the best skill I've ever trained.
WoW Megan Maynard is calling someone a troll. Hypocrite much?
The single most useful EAS is the kitsune in a gang. Add a hyena and you got everything you need. There is no friggin use for a sentinel and you are flat out lying if you claim otherwise or you simply have zero clue about how real eve pvp combat actually works.
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ReePeR McAllem
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Posted - 2008.04.18 03:42:00 -
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Its a great ship. But EAS 5 is a must. Very skill heavy to fly well.
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L'Ame Immortelle
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.18 06:46:00 -
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Start small Curse rant....
Reading people say the Sentinel suck was unbelievable....then someone said "it's based on the Curse - which sucks". After that I couldn't stop laughing. The Curse is one of the most feared ships in pvp and easily one of the biggest "primaries" declared in a fight. The Rapier or Rook stronger? Don't make me laugh. In a fight of 10 on 10, a Rook gets destroyed in seconds (light ecm drones or just drones in general = dead Rook) - Rapiers have some survivability with speed, but they can at most stop 2 tacklers (assuming you're not in range in the first place) from pinning them down but as soon as they do....is when they blow up in seconds. The Curse? I can drain every tackler, including the Rapier, in 1 cycle of 3 neutralizers (look up cheap talisman implant sets) and keep my range and speed uncontested. I can force every gun-based ship to hit exactly nothing with the new powerful tracking disruptors, and I run 1 rocket launcher with defenders to handle any missile happy ship but generally I'm flying fast enough that it doesn't matter.
Let me present Exhibit A - http://pu.scire.getmyip.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=659
They had beyond displayed on their side 2 blackbirds, 1 falcon, 1 rapier and 2 interceptors that didn't show up because they didn't hit the one ship we lost, versus our 2 Curses. We absolutely destroyed them. Enough said.
End Curse Rant.
The Sentinel can neutralize at 22km (faction small neuts are only 15mil) and drain at 26km (corpi-c small nos are on the market for 7.5mil all the time). That's past most web ranges even overheated and with a huge drone bay (3 separate sets - I usually carry t2 lights, light ecm, and light armor drones), the ship is extremely deadly. If you look at our kill boards, I've ran it quite a bit (relatively new boards so you won't see them all) and extremely successful in small gangs...with my one loss being to a Huginn while being held in a bubble (he warped right next to me).
It's also a very nice anti-energy-ewar ship. I've had Curses attempt to drain my sentinel, where I can nos back nearly all my cap in 1-2 cycle. I think my funniest kill was versus a Dominix....http://pu.scire.getmyip.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=579 - I held him there solo for quite a bit while the calvary arrived, while he kept running his heavy neutralizers on me and asking "how the hell were you still mwding?" after he died. Nos ftw.
Also as I mentioned before, they're extremely cheap to fit - faction/complex small neutralizers and nos are extremely cheap. Talisman implant are the cheapest pirate implants. Even the rigs, Egress Port Maximizers, are only 4 mil each on the market.
Anyways, fighting over what's the best EAS is kind of stupid - especially with people who think the Curse sucks. But for those actually reading this thread for advice, the Sentinel is unbelievably powerful and the Hyena is the only one close (which requires expensive snakes+rigs to be truly good). Every fight I've been in with the Sentinel as of late has got some attention - mostly from the deceased. Let them all think the Sentinel sucks....I'll just keep killing them.
On that note, the Curse sucks - don't primary it 
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Lyria Skydancer
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Posted - 2008.04.18 07:15:00 -
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Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 18/04/2008 07:15:33
Originally by: L'Ame Immortelle
On that note, the Curse sucks - don't primary it
What exactly do you kill in your curse? I'd like to see some cool kills with this ship because apparently it's so imba great. No gang kills doesn't count. with a gang you can get on kill mails with a noob ship.
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Inertial
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Posted - 2008.04.18 07:54:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
What exactly do you kill in your curse? I'd like to see some cool kills with this ship because apparently it's so imba great. No gang kills doesn't count. with a gang you can get on kill mails with a noob ship.
The Curse is awesome solo. One of the few Recons that can solo a battleship. In case you didn't know this, most ships require cap to active tank, some ships require cap to fire, and this is where the curse comes in. The curse has the ability to remove that cap, meaning certain enemies doesn't get a chance to tank or fire their own weapons. This is a great way of killing of ships.
The sentinel works on the same premise, but in a smaller and more frail, but cheaper package. It doesn't remove as much cap as the Curse, and therefor needs to use more time to remove the cap.
As always, if the enemy got a capacitor booster, you sometimes have to wait for the enemy to run out, which means more time is needed, but when you are zooming 30 km out from the enemy at 3km/s+ the biggest problem is if they are going to bring in backup.
So... The idea of the Curse, Pilgrim, Bhaalgorn, Ashimmu and Sentinel is: "If the enemy doesn't have any capacitor, the enemy won't tank very well". Passive armour tanks are of course a *****, but any and all ships got a weakness, and this is a weakness that can be overcome when facing ships that require cap to fire.
Knowing is half the battle.
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Lyria Skydancer
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Posted - 2008.04.18 08:14:00 -
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Originally by: Inertial
The Curse is awesome solo. One of the few Recons that can solo a battleship. In case you didn't know this, most ships require cap to active tank, some ships require cap to fire, and this is where the curse comes in. The curse has the ability to remove that cap, meaning certain enemies doesn't get a chance to tank or fire their own weapons. This is a great way of killing of ships.
The sentinel works on the same premise, but in a smaller and more frail, but cheaper package. It doesn't remove as much cap as the Curse, and therefor needs to use more time to remove the cap.
As always, if the enemy got a capacitor booster, you sometimes have to wait for the enemy to run out, which means more time is needed, but when you are zooming 30 km out from the enemy at 3km/s+ the biggest problem is if they are going to bring in backup.
So... The idea of the Curse, Pilgrim, Bhaalgorn, Ashimmu and Sentinel is: "If the enemy doesn't have any capacitor, the enemy won't tank very well". Passive armour tanks are of course a *****, but any and all ships got a weakness, and this is a weakness that can be overcome when facing ships that require cap to fire.
Knowing is half the battle.
Really? I'd like to see some of these mythical solo curses killing battleships. Got some vids or killboard data POST trinity? |
Inertial
The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.04.18 09:09:00 -
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It is hard to find solo kills by a specific ship on a specific ship class. The only killboard that allows you to do that is the Griefwatch ones.
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Lyria Skydancer
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Posted - 2008.04.18 09:13:00 -
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Originally by: Inertial
It is hard to find solo kills by a specific ship on a specific ship class. The only killboard that allows you to do that is the Griefwatch ones.
It is hard to find because there are no such kills except very rare cases.
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Caelum Dominus
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.04.18 09:28:00 -
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Originally by: Inertial
It is hard to find solo kills by a specific ship on a specific ship class. The only killboard that allows you to do that is the Griefwatch ones.
Nevermind Lyria, she won't stop. ;) |
Lyria Skydancer
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Posted - 2008.04.18 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: Caelum Dominus
Originally by: Inertial
It is hard to find solo kills by a specific ship on a specific ship class. The only killboard that allows you to do that is the Griefwatch ones.
Nevermind Lyria, she won't stop. ;)
Then show me all these mythical kills you and your buddy are talking about. I'm sorry but I live in the real pvp world on tranquility. Not some theory craft pvp on sisi or in eft or hiding your crappiness behind a blob.
Show me these kills youre talking about. Please do. |
Inertial
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Posted - 2008.04.18 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Inertial
It is hard to find solo kills by a specific ship on a specific ship class. The only killboard that allows you to do that is the Griefwatch ones.
It is hard to find because there are no such kills except very rare cases.
To get these stats I need to look at the Griefwatch killboards, since finding solo kills by a specific ship on other killboards is possible, but will mostly rely on luck or time (I gotta find the kill at random, while going trough thousands of other kills).
Its basically the same with griefwatch, since me finding a solo BS kill by a curse relies on:
1: Finding a Alliance/Corp that uses Curses.
2. Finding a Alliance/Corp that fights against battleships.
3. Finding a Alliance/Corp where the Pilots flies solo.
4. The kill gotta be good, otherwise, I bet I would end up hearing "But the victim was crap fitted! This isn't proof".
And then there are other things that come in to play.
1. The kill needs to be solo, which means no other people on the killmail (f.ex. a random guy who got a shot in before the Curse vs. BS fight started)
Which makes it easy to see that me finding such kills are hard, actually near impossible if we take into consideration that I am not employed to find this ****, and I really like to actually play eve every now and then. |
Lyria Skydancer
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Posted - 2008.04.18 10:29:00 -
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Originally by: Inertial
Its basically the same with griefwatch, since me finding a solo BS kill by a curse relies on:
1: Finding a Alliance/Corp that uses Curses.
2. Finding a Alliance/Corp that fights against battleships.
3. Finding a Alliance/Corp where the Pilots flies solo.
4. The kill gotta be good, otherwise, I bet I would end up hearing "But the victim was crap fitted! This isn't proof".
And then there are other things that come in to play.
1. The kill needs to be solo, which means no other people on the killmail (f.ex. a random guy who got a shot in before the Curse vs. BS fight started)
Which makes it easy to see that me finding such kills are hard, actually near impossible if we take into consideration that I am not employed to find this ****, and I really like to actually play eve every now and then.
Exactly. This is why you won't find any such kills. There is no one flying curses solo and pulling anything off except killing stuff that you could have killed in an arbi. That is my point and you're just adding to it.
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Inertial
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Posted - 2008.04.18 10:52:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Inertial
Its basically the same with griefwatch, since me finding a solo BS kill by a curse relies on:
1: Finding a Alliance/Corp that uses Curses.
2. Finding a Alliance/Corp that fights against battleships.
3. Finding a Alliance/Corp where the Pilots flies solo.
4. The kill gotta be good, otherwise, I bet I would end up hearing "But the victim was crap fitted! This isn't proof".
And then there are other things that come in to play.
1. The kill needs to be solo, which means no other people on the killmail (f.ex. a random guy who got a shot in before the Curse vs. BS fight started)
Which makes it easy to see that me finding such kills are hard, actually near impossible if we take into consideration that I am not employed to find this ****, and I really like to actually play eve every now and then.
Exactly. This is why you won't find any such kills. There is no one flying curses solo and pulling anything off except killing stuff that you could have killed in an arbi. That is my point and you're just adding to it.
Huh? Nope... My point is that there is a few hundred needles in a huge fricking haystack, thousands... Millions of hayseeds, in this particular haystack, and you are asking me to pull out the few needles that are there... If I had a huge freaking magnet, then maybe, but this huge fricking magnet doesn't exist. Instead I only got a few mini magnets, that can only be used at a minimal part of the haystack, and even if the magnetic field passes over one of the needles, it may be made out of bone, or some other non magnetic material. That was my point.
Now, by not using your own killboard, or the killboards of anyone you know flies this ship, you are going to find me a solo kill done by each of the heavy Heavy Assault ships on a ship with similiar value:
Munin
Sacrilidge
Deimos
Eagle
You need 3/4, if you manage that within a couple of hours, without going to your own or your friends killboards, I'll accept your arguement that the reason I couldn't find the Curse killmail, is because there aren't any.
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Dheorl
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.04.18 11:05:00 -
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I tell you what lyria. Seeing as if I post a killmail your most likely gona either a) say its a pile of bullcrap or b) say you could do the same in a t1 frig why doesn't one of us fight you.
I'm sure others apart from me in this thread would be happy to do this but if not then I will. Seeing as I'd be the agressor I think it's fair thats I have some say in what ship you fly (don't worry, I won't tell you to fight me in a osprey) and you can't fit specifically to combat my ship. Apart from that anything goes, just give me some idea of when your online. |
Lyria Skydancer
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Posted - 2008.04.18 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Inertial
Huh? Nope... My point is that there is a few hundred needles in a huge fricking haystack, thousands... Millions of hayseeds, in this particular haystack, and you are asking me to pull out the few needles that are there... If I had a huge freaking magnet, then maybe, but this huge fricking magnet doesn't exist. Instead I only got a few mini magnets, that can only be used at a minimal part of the haystack, and even if the magnetic field passes over one of the needles, it may be made out of bone, or some other non magnetic material. That was my point.
Now, by not using your own killboard, or the killboards of anyone you know flies this ship, you are going to find me a solo kill done by each of the heavy Heavy Assault ships on a ship with similiar value:
Munin
Sacrilidge
Deimos
Eagle
You need 3/4, if you manage that within a couple of hours, without going to your own or your friends killboards, I'll accept your arguement that the reason I couldn't find the Curse killmail, is because there aren't any.
I don't need to find anything. I never claimed hacs could kill pvp fitted battleships 1 on 1. There are people that claimed curse could and I told em to show me those mythical killmails or a vid. Why? Because I know that it's *******s.
Hacs on the other hand can kill the curse. |
Lyria Skydancer
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Posted - 2008.04.18 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Dheorl
I tell you what lyria. Seeing as if I post a killmail your most likely gona either a) say its a pile of bullcrap or b) say you could do the same in a t1 frig why doesn't one of us fight you.
I'm sure others apart from me in this thread would be happy to do this but if not then I will. Seeing as I'd be the agressor I think it's fair thats I have some say in what ship you fly (don't worry, I won't tell you to fight me in a osprey) and you can't fit specifically to combat my ship. Apart from that anything goes, just give me some idea of when your online.
You're going to fight me in a curse? |
Dheorl
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.04.18 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Dheorl
I tell you what lyria. Seeing as if I post a killmail your most likely gona either a) say its a pile of bullcrap or b) say you could do the same in a t1 frig why doesn't one of us fight you.
I'm sure others apart from me in this thread would be happy to do this but if not then I will. Seeing as I'd be the agressor I think it's fair thats I have some say in what ship you fly (don't worry, I won't tell you to fight me in a osprey) and you can't fit specifically to combat my ship. Apart from that anything goes, just give me some idea of when your online.
You're going to fight me in a curse?
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Inertial
The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.04.18 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
I don't need to find anything. I never claimed hacs could kill pvp fitted battleships 1 on 1. There are people that claimed curse could and I told em to show me those mythical killmails or a vid. Why? Because I know that it's *******s.
Hacs on the other hand can kill the curse.
I never claimed you needed to show a battleship solo kill, or PVP fitted ship either, just a kill of equel value. F.ex. I wouldn't be impressed by a solo Ibis kill in a Sacrilidge, but a Solo Rapier, or a Solo Deimos, or a Solo Nighthawk, or a Solo Basilisk kill would impress me, and if you had shown 3 out of the 4 I asked for, you would have convinced me. This would have shown me:
1. It is possible to dig out solo kills made by a specific ship out of a killboard.
2. I know I had something to put here, but I forgot it.
Instead, my belief that me trying to dig out a solo Curse kill out of the haystack that killboards are, is impossible, have been reaffirmed. |
Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2008.04.18 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Megan Maynard
Damping a BS below 40 km
...is totally useless, in most fights.
Quote:
and scraming him at 36-42 km
...is better done with a HIC (or at 30km with an inty).
Keres is total rubbish. Sentinel is actually halfway decent, imho.
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Pilgrippa
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Posted - 2008.04.18 11:39:00 -
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Lyria is right. Curses suck. People should stop flying them 
One of the problems I find with the sentinel is that it's too slow to outrun warriors. |
Lyria Skydancer
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Posted - 2008.04.18 12:04:00 -
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Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 18/04/2008 12:04:45
Originally by: Dheorl
No, in a sentinel.
And you want me in what? Like an omen? |
Lyria Skydancer
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Posted - 2008.04.18 12:06:00 -
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Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 18/04/2008 12:06:05
Originally by: Pilgrippa
Lyria is right. Curses suck. People should stop flying them
One of the problems I find with the sentinel is that it's too slow to outrun warriors.
They don't need to stop, people already don't fly amarr recons that much compared to the overwhelming amounts of falcons and huggins out there. |
Dheorl
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.04.18 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 18/04/2008 12:04:45
Originally by: Dheorl
No, in a sentinel.
And you want me in what? Like an omen?
Meh, dunno, what ships do you fly? |
Lyria Skydancer
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Posted - 2008.04.18 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: Dheorl
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 18/04/2008 12:04:45
Originally by: Dheorl
No, in a sentinel.
And you want me in what? Like an omen?
Meh, dunno, what ships do you fly?
Well I can't fly anything big if you're going to be in a sentinel. BCs and BSs and HACs will destroy your sentinel. T1 cruisers is all I can think of that might be intresting. If you win you prove that sentinel can kill something bigger then a frig, if I win I prove sentinel can't kill anything. |
Dheorl
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.04.18 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Dheorl
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 18/04/2008 12:04:45
Originally by: Dheorl
No, in a sentinel.
And you want me in what? Like an omen?
Meh, dunno, what ships do you fly?
Well I can't fly anything big if you're going to be in a sentinel. BCs and BSs and HACs will destroy your sentinel. T1 cruisers is all I can think of that might be intresting. If you win you prove that sentinel can kill something bigger then a frig, if I win I prove sentinel can't kill anything.
Dunno, BC could be an interesting challange. What bout a standard fit harb? |
Lyria Skydancer
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Posted - 2008.04.18 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Dheorl
Dunno, BC could be an interesting challange. What bout a standard fit harb?
Are you going to fit your sentinel standard? Does standard mean no light drones on the harbinger? |
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Posted - 2008.04.18 12:22:00 -
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Okay, what I've found looking at it is that is doesn't seem like a good interceptor killer.
Yes, okay, I know, fit 3 neuts on it and you can insta kill an interceptor's cap. Sweat
But getting 55 dps from drones is pathetic and would take all day to kill even a frig.
So, if I replace 1 neut with 1 gun, I get about 88 dps. Still going to take a while.
Anyone have an interceptor killer load out that won't take ages for it to kill something?
Amarr is the tank OR gank race.
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Caelum Dominus
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.04.18 12:24:00 -
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Edited by: Caelum Dominus on 18/04/2008 12:24:54
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Caelum Dominus
Hahahah - oh, give us a break. You're going to "prove" that the Sentinel can't kill anything judging from one fight? That's great.
Atleast we are trying to make a point. Atleast this sentinel guy here puts his money where his mouth is instead of hiding behind "Im deep in 0.0 so is my curse but I promise my curse is badazz".
Fail... just... fail. Is that how you figured out that the Curse is crap, too, by bringing it up against something random and since you couldn't win it means the ship sucks? These forums really have me chuckling sometimes.
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Dheorl
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.04.18 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Dheorl
Dunno, BC could be an interesting challange. What bout a standard fit harb?
Are you going to fit your sentinel standard? Does standard mean no light drones on the harbinger?
Yes standard does mean no light drones and yes I will be using the fit I always use.
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Lyria Skydancer
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Posted - 2008.04.18 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: Caelum Dominus
Fail... just... fail. Is that how you figured out that the Curse is crap, too, by bringing it up against something random and since you couldn't win it means the ship sucks? These forums ***** me up sometimes.
I know the curse is crap because I've seen it getting raped by anything from a harbinger, zealot to other hacs. It has little point in a gang and it is crap solo. It is not a good ship. It is half azzed at best.
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