I think Liang is about to introduce you to Null. I haven't used a Null Talos, but ten seconds in EFT gives 16/29 km and just under 900 DPS. Does look a bit flimsy though.

I think Liang is about to introduce you to Null. I haven't used a Null Talos, but ten seconds in EFT gives 16/29 km and just under 900 DPS. Does look a bit flimsy though.

Yeah scorch, gives you 55+10 or something silly like that, and an oracle CAN fit a 1600mm plate and big pulses.

Funny, but you get much above 5-10 people (where the Talos remains extremely powerful) and we're no longer in the small gang region.

-Liang

Ed: Also, let me know how your 3 SeBo Tornado tanks a Proteus landing on it at zero. My Talos did fine.

I can see how well your 1600mm plated Oracles work: http://rooksandkings.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=35897

-Liang

Got a running start?

No, he landed on me at zero with me pretty much sitting still. You can see it in the video link I posted. In fact, you might learn a lot about how to fly a Talos from watching my noob ass fly it.

-Liang

LOL

For real, three to one odds against faction BS with triage back up and that is the best you got?

How about LXQ2 where they dropped a titan? http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12588868

Magic 8 ball says odds are not good, simply because its not worth trying to get the hull out to where I live.

I wouldn't want to be in an alliance with such a ****** logistics backbone.

-Liang

Ed: Also, I like how you refuse to even enlighten yourself as to what the Talos is actually capable of, and instead rely on **** like claiming 150 people is a "small gang".

So squeezing 75 people onto a KM is small gang warfare these days? Maybe that's why you don't like blaster ships....

-Liang

Magic 8 ball says odds are not good, simply because its not worth trying to get the hull out to where I live.

You are sadly mistaken, all I have to do is say the word and as many as I ask for (or can pay for) get delivered. ...I simply have no use for it at the moment.

My idea of small gang is sub 50 ships, usually more like 20(ish) nothing that doesn't float around pretty much anywhere everyday. I never said that 150 is a small gang, and if I did, please, show me where.

I'm involved in bigger stuff certainly, that is why I moved out to null. Play tag with people calling me a "blobber" all while they are they are batphoning to get a bigger gang got old in lowsec.

and by all means, please, continue making **** up you highness.

So first you can't even get the hull delivered and now you just have to pay for it. Backpedal more.

You linked a battle report with ~150 people involved in a discussion about small gang warfare. You apparently do consider it to be a small gang - though you back out of it now. As to 50 people being a small gang... rrriiiiigggghhhttttt. We're going to have to agree to disagree on that - though I'm pretty confident that most people would see the world closer to my view than to yours.

But I guess them's the breaks when you do nothing but blob day in and day out.

-Liang

Yeah of course I have to pay for it. Hulls are reimbursed. But there are very few handouts, and yes, I have to pay for the hulls and mods. As much as I would like it they just don't hand you ships.....well anywhere really.

I don't see why this is a hard concept.

Magic 8 ball says odds are not good, simply because its not worth trying to get the hull out to where I live.

You linked a battle report with 600 people. It was more of a response to that. Like I said look up and down my KB, you found what 10 fleet kills out of a hundred?

Because I'm definately "blobbing" in my frigging dramiel and vagabound......neither of which are "fleet" ships.

But hey you can continue creatively interpreting simple statements, its pretty amusing.

Call names all you want, but I'm beginning to question your reading compression. Again, if you look up and down my KB you find what 10 fleet kills?

The creating interpretation is amusing though.

LOL at you people calling the Naga crap. The following battle report occurred in 2 phases; first a camping by a gang of 5pulse-plate(?) Oracles with lach/huginn/scimi; the second the Stain Empire naga fleet with naga/huginn/lach/claymore/scimis.

http://nem3sis.co.uk/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=4342

The real losses are closer to 48-56, as this doesn't count losses of allies to Nem3sis.

The naga fleet were the real problem, sitting in the 120km range with the skiwmish-link boosted Lachesis pointing from 75-90km. Note this is 12 nagas., able to apha canes, all logis, all tackle

I'm not sure is a 17-20 man fleet is "small gang" enough for Liang, but they took on a fleet of 60 and racefaped for the loss of one ship.

LOL at you people calling the Naga crap.

"small gang'' warfare is perhaps more an indicator of the fighting style then of actual numbers. The key being strategic mobility with size being determined by factors like the availability of pilots, shiptype, opposing forces, fleet-discipline and the FC's abilities, etc

...giving true 2km/s kiting missile snipers...

What is wrong with the Cerb in this role?

I agree, the cerb seems to hit all the points you raised just fine.

IMO the Tier 3s were well executed: the overall ship class is reasonably well balanced in the overall ecosystem of the game, while ship balance within the class is also pretty good. For my purposes, the Talos and Tornado far outshine the Naga and Oracle.

The problem with the Naga is its so damn slow and the problem with the Oracle is that 4 mids is absolutely mandatory in this ship class: MWD, LSE, Disruptor, Web.

-Liang

Not every ship is to ment have enough mids to tackle, speed, and buffer..There are already too many ships that can do this.

What is wrong with the Cerb in this role?