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Smith
Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.28 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Mynas Atoch
Originally by: Ghaelsto Kakram And I'm not saying that any Bob is doing this or even would consider doing. Bob already crossed that line I personally never would cross (and I have had the opportunity to do so) and I just hope that this RL abuse was a single event.
That a good enough reply for ya?
I remember arguing with Dianabolic/DaFuzz years ago about BOB crossing lines out of game which ran the potential for real life consequences. Hers's one interpretation of the UK's Computer Misuse Act 1990, and how Section 1 (ie upto 6 months imprisonment) could apply to some things that people view as acceptable in this game.
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1990/ukpga_19900018_en_1.htm
"The only precondition to liability is that the hacker should be aware that the access attempted is unauthorized. Thus, using another person's username or identifier (ID) and password without proper authority to access data or a program, or to alter, delete, copy or move a program or data, or simply to output a program or data to a screen or printer, or to impersonate that other person using e-mail, online chat, web or other services, constitute the offence. Even if the initial access is authorized, subsequent exploration if there is a hierarchy of privileges in the system, may lead to entry to parts of the system for which the requisite privileges are lacking and the offence will be committed."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Misuse_Act_1990
So is an out of game forum, accessed by my character name covered? Or my real life name? Looking forward to reading about the first time someone attempts a prosecution over it. Though if I remember correctly FinFleet just discussed it and didn't involve the appropriate legal authorities.
Myn
What in hell has this got to do with the assault on period basis? Seriously Mynas you have lost the plot. The more MC pilots that can get away from you the better. Seleene letting you anywhere near leading people is one of the biggest mistakes in EVE ever.
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Ztrain
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.28 20:48:00 -
[92]
Edited by: Ztrain on 28/04/2008 20:49:34
Originally by: Metal Dude
Originally by: Danari Edited by: Danari on 28/04/2008 11:44:01
Originally by: Tholarim ex-ascn. lawl.
It was your gangs repeatedly running from even fights in south feyth m8. I don't scorn a lot of pvpers, but you brought bob down by about 4 full notches when you joined. You were in charge then, you're in charge now, so not much can have changed n'est ce-pa?
Don't you worry, buddy. When we come up north to see you, you can lead a fleet against Thol and show us all how it's done, just like you did with ASCN. K?
I have suffered through enough Danari gangs in ASCN. I have vowed never again. But I'll wish you all luck The emo rage is strong with him lol!
Z
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2008.04.28 20:51:00 -
[93]
Originally by: NOL Waiter So I heard that Cippalippus Primus is the best. C/D?
A hearty "C", my adoptive son.
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Cupdeez
Out of Order
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Posted - 2008.04.28 20:59:00 -
[94]
MC can't handle BOB but I don't expect MC to die. I look forward to seeing MC to possibly move and take someone else space or maybe join up with another alliance.
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Ghaelsto Kakram
Mindgamers
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Posted - 2008.04.28 21:01:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Smith What in hell has this got to do with the assault on period basis? Seriously Mynas you have lost the plot. The more MC pilots that can get away from you the better. Seleene letting you anywhere near leading people is one of the biggest mistakes in EVE ever.
Biggest being spawning stuff for your Bob buddies ofc and getting away with a slap on the wrist. And don't play ignorant. If MC didn't get tricked by one of their RL friends they would have had more backup and make the fight worth wile. Now its just a mop up. Now dazzle us with more excuses please.
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thoth foc
Arcane Technologies The Five
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Posted - 2008.04.28 21:26:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Ghaelsto Kakram
Originally by: Smith What in hell has this got to do with the assault on period basis? Seriously Mynas you have lost the plot. The more MC pilots that can get away from you the better. Seleene letting you anywhere near leading people is one of the biggest mistakes in EVE ever.
Biggest being spawning stuff for your Bob buddies ofc and getting away with a slap on the wrist. And don't play ignorant. If MC didn't get tricked by one of their RL friends they would have had more backup and make the fight worth wile. Now its just a mop up. Now dazzle us with more excuses please.
Didnt goonies say they moved to help and discovered MC hasnt turned up themselves?
This isnt the first time an "ally" of MC has said that MC have tried to organise a war they dont want to fight in themselves.. MC used to have a great strength in organising allies and working with them to accomplish goals.. the important part they seem to lack now, is the ability to work with allies, to lead from the front.. instead they are trying to lead from behind, because the ppl left at the front just arent capable of leading from the front..
This RL garbage is just another excuse to try and cover up MC's internal failings.. the question you should be asking yourselves is, why did MC need to try and make peace with BOB anyway.. ------------------
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Technix
Gallente DAB
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Posted - 2008.04.28 21:35:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Twoside
Originally by: Orar Ironfist
Originally by: Metal Dude Loxy 'belongs' to DICE. 
i dont know why but i lol'd quite hard
Maybe cos you're a brown nose kiss ass? (just speculating ;) )
Says the biggest RZR brown nose'n pilot in EVE \o/.
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Mr McDee
Ancient Crew
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Posted - 2008.04.28 21:40:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Ghaelsto Kakram
Originally by: Smith What in hell has this got to do with the assault on period basis? Seriously Mynas you have lost the plot. The more MC pilots that can get away from you the better. Seleene letting you anywhere near leading people is one of the biggest mistakes in EVE ever.
Biggest being spawning stuff for your Bob buddies ofc and getting away with a slap on the wrist. And don't play ignorant. If MC didn't get tricked by one of their RL friends
So it's ok to stab into back your friend, but it is not ok to get payed back with the same coin?
Look how stupid you are!
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.28 21:40:00 -
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I'm not aware of any RL friendships being abused with this whole Dri Kulsane ordeal.
I do know quite well who were involved. And some people made some bad judgment calls even when warned beforehand.
So not sure what this whole RL thing is all about. Diplomacy backfiring? Well, that's Molle for you. -
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.28 21:47:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Murtala It seems like Bob will soon be taking over the 1-N station. This is where most of the Tortuga pilots have there stuff.
I really do hope that BoB has a plan in place to deal with all the displaced MC pilots.
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Athena Attom
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.28 21:51:00 -
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Edited by: Athena Attom on 28/04/2008 21:55:33 MC just nuked 1 avatar build, Krall Amarr, well done dude!
Screenshots show a nyx has been nuked aswell but as far as I was aware that it was an Oddesy nyx so it was either a joint decision of they said **** it.
ZaKma provided screenshots on crapheap:
Linkage
Linkage
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KIAEddZ
Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.28 22:00:00 -
[102]
Thk fk no misclick! ;p
 KIA EVE Home
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Martin VanBuren
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.04.28 22:04:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig MC just come to stain I hear everybody sucks there.
- Gob
I want to move to stain :(
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Apolluon
Gallente Aetas Inculta
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Posted - 2008.04.28 22:12:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Ariko Gunaris MC were never an elite PvP force, just rich. The fake contracts (lol Big Blue) against soft opponents gave the illusion of competence.
I don't remember Ariko Gunaris ever being in/near BWF at the time that this was going on, so perhaps I can enlighten you on a few things:
Back when TBB was all shiny and new, and after the Burn Eden incursion was over, TBB made a mistake. It was the same mistake another entity made with regards to supercapital sales, and neutrality.
TBB created, and sold a mothership, and attempted to defend it by claiming that their space is neutral.
However, at the time, a supercapital was a project of immense undertaking, and the sheer power a mothership could bring to the battlefield was immense. Add on top of that; once you have the arrays, and the skills to build a mothership, you are only a hopscotch game away from Titans.
Mind you, this was all back when these ships were new and shiny; and there were very few of them in the game.
So, rewind a bit. BoB took down another "neutral" mothership manufacturer on the grounds that the creation and sale of a supercapital is inherently a non-neutral move. And as such, claiming neutrality to all (including BoB) while you potentially sold battle-changing ships to an enemy... Could not stand.
So, BoB contracted MC out to effectively destroy the war-machine infrastructure of TBB.
By itself, that would have been enough. But, as is so often the case in Eve, it exposed TBB for their weaknesses, which invited other entities to test their mettle against them.
So you're wrong. There was a contract versus TBB for the MC. Given that TBB's space had a "check your war at the door" for their space, it would have been patently easy for them to enter the system in force for some killboard padding, if they so desired.
I understand the desire to further demonize MC since they are the current pariah of the community, but instead of factless, baseless accusations, you would be better off shouting;
"The MC Turned me into a Newt!....... I got better!"
Apolluon
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Athena Attom
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.28 22:16:00 -
[105]
Originally by: KIAEddZ Thk fk no misclick! ;p
Unfortunately not :D however see you when it comes out!
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Selk Cantor
Minmatar Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.28 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Cupdeez MC can't handle BOB but I don't expect MC to die. I look forward to seeing MC to possibly move and take someone else space or maybe join up with another alliance.
That normally seems to be the case, even if it involves restructuring and renaming like Evoke out of Dusk to Dawn, etc. It's sad to see one of the formerly most majestic alliances of Eve spiraling as MC is. Somebody needs to take charge of the alliance to salvage their opportunity's to remain a political player. Obviously their playerbase isn't behind the current decision making when they are getting 40% participation at the very best of times. Suiciding your ships all day for insurance money can't be all that productive. I'm sure MC still has one of the 10 best fleets (if not top 5) in Eve. Its ashame its rusting away while their leaders continue to blame everyone else. There's plenty of room for MC in the universe, but the do nothing approach to leadership isn't even allowing their members to have fun.
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Attak
Trioptimum
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Posted - 2008.04.28 22:30:00 -
[107]
Wow, MC recruited Krall and let him build a titan? This whole failure cascade thing makes a lot more sense with that in mind, considering how he's made every other alliance he's been in fail horribly.
Oh and a shout out to the former FREGE in Daisho Syndicate. Sup fellas?
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Dr Slaughter
Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.28 22:46:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Ariko Gunaris
Mynas, you keep proving why anyone who was once in ISS management should never be given management or diplomatic roles.
suggested edit for you Ariko if you insist in taring all ex-ISS with the same brush, and, to be honest, the hiring 'manager' is just as responsible as their direct reports....
It's a shame there aren't 'in game' forums only accessible from within the game and who's code base is maintained by CCP (hence under the EULA/TOS).
Anyway.. !! while (my.ship.cloak == true) my.local == false
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Mynas Atoch
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.04.28 22:54:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Athena Attom Screenshots show a nyx has been nuked aswell but as far as I was aware that it was an Oddesy nyx so it was either a joint decision of they said **** it.
ZaKma provided screenshots on crapheap:
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Destroying Odyssey's Nyx wasn't a join decision. No one told them .. they found out by reading about it on these forums and on SHC. To say they are upset at the lack of consultation doesn't even come close.
Myn
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Athena Attom
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.28 22:59:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Mynas Atoch
Originally by: Athena Attom Screenshots show a nyx has been nuked aswell but as far as I was aware that it was an Oddesy nyx so it was either a joint decision of they said **** it.
ZaKma provided screenshots on crapheap:
Linkage
Linkage
Destroying Odyssey's Nyx wasn't a join decision. No one told them .. they found out by reading about it on these forums and on SHC. To say they are upset at the lack of consultation doesn't even come close.
Myn
On behalf of BoB: Haha. Pretty funny seeing as this was all caused by you :)
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Ghaelsto Kakram
Mindgamers
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Posted - 2008.04.28 23:04:00 -
[111]
Originally by: thoth foc This RL garbage is just another excuse to try and cover up MC's internal failings.. the question you should be asking yourselves is, why did MC need to try and make peace with BOB anyway..
Because Dri made a judgement call being influenced by a RL friend. The man said it himself on the friggin forums. Ofc TT helped him with that.
And stop trying to pull of your double standards routine. Its not working. The moment MC chose their own way you started talking them down like you do with any other alliance you alienated with.
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Misha Fillechienne
Yarr'BQ
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Posted - 2008.04.28 23:11:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Ghaelsto Kakram
Originally by: thoth foc This RL garbage is just another excuse to try and cover up MC's internal failings.. the question you should be asking yourselves is, why did MC need to try and make peace with BOB anyway..
Because Dri made a judgement call being influenced by a RL friend. The man said it himself on the friggin forums. Ofc TT helped him with that.
And stop trying to pull of your double standards routine. Its not working. The moment MC chose their own way you started talking them down like you do with any other alliance you alienated with.
You sound pretty upset about something. Care to the folks back home what it is?
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Moonlight Express
Amarr Moonlight Express Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.28 23:13:00 -
[113]
Edited by: Moonlight Express on 28/04/2008 23:14:15
Originally by: Ghaelsto Kakram The moment MC chose their own way
You mean, the moment MC backstabbed their friends, don't you.
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Cmd Woodlouse
moon7empler Ev0ke
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Posted - 2008.04.28 23:20:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig MC just come to stain I hear everybody sucks there.
- Gob
Hey Gobbins!
How are teh EMO things nowadays?
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Ghaelsto Kakram
Mindgamers
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Posted - 2008.04.28 23:25:00 -
[115]
Its the sand in my .... well you know.
But its just entertaining to see Bob making up all excuses. Like they knew all along they were going to back stab them. And they let them do it because of the friendship. But later on back stabbed them anyway because they had it coming. They were never any good anyway. MC will die, nobody likes them anymore. .. yada yada.
Did they ever occur to them that the 'grand plan' of Bob was to tick off as many people as possible in order to get their epic final last stand (pt1) and MC wasn't in on this? And they now blame MC for this?
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Misha Fillechienne
Yarr'BQ
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Posted - 2008.04.28 23:35:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Ghaelsto Kakram Its the sand in my .... well you know.
But its just entertaining to see Bob making up all excuses. Like they knew all along they were going to back stab them. And they let them do it because of the friendship. But later on back stabbed them anyway because they had it coming. They were never any good anyway. MC will die, nobody likes them anymore. .. yada yada.
Did they ever occur to them that the 'grand plan' of Bob was to tick off as many people as possible in order to get their epic final last stand (pt1) and MC wasn't in on this? And they now blame MC for this?
Wut?
So, when MC saw that BoB were on their last boots, hemmed back into Delve; only then their elaborate plan came to fruition.
BoB forced MC to join the coalition in order to beat the coalition in delve and then turn round and screw MC over in Period Basis.
I guess it was all planned at a barbeque somewhere.
Seriously, is that the best you can do? I know it sounds far-fetched, but if you're right...I mean really, if you are really right....then bob are far better than anyone ever thought. That's just crazy of them.
/me takes hat off.
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Murtala
Mushin Market
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Posted - 2008.04.28 23:37:00 -
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Edited by: Murtala on 28/04/2008 23:43:38
Originally by: Ghaelsto Kakram Its the sand in my .... well you know.
But its just entertaining to see Bob making up all excuses. Like they knew all along they were going to back stab them. And they let them do it because of the friendship. But later on back stabbed them anyway because they had it coming. They were never any good anyway. MC will die, nobody likes them anymore. .. yada yada.
Did they ever occur to them that the 'grand plan' of Bob was to tick off as many people as possible in order to get their epic final last stand (pt1) and MC wasn't in on this? And they now blame MC for this?
Tbh, MC shot at BoB first. And continued to shot at then when they ganged up with their, MC, natual enemies to continue to shoot BoB. Bob only now retaliating after they beat back the nap train. And like molle said when you took period basis
"Sorry, no"
EDIT = Tortuga video for posterity
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Ghaelsto Kakram
Mindgamers
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Posted - 2008.04.28 23:49:00 -
[118]
Edited by: Ghaelsto Kakram on 28/04/2008 23:51:24
Originally by: Misha Fillechienne Wut? So, when MC saw that BoB were on their last boots, hemmed back into Delve; only then their elaborate plan came to fruition.
Bob said they wanted to defend Delve. Not Delve AND Period Based. So that pretty much made their intentions clear. Besides Bob started talking about the BBQ excuse when the coalition started sieging Delve. It was nothing more than to boost morale.
Quote: BoB forced MC to join the coalition in order to beat the coalition in delve and then turn round and screw MC over in Period Basis.
No, Bob wanted MC at their side fighting with them. And if they would be beaten to have a nice selection of 'heroes' to pick from. Just like they did with all their pets and friends before. And if the both of them successfully defended themselves nothing would changed much.
And if you get the big picture here is just logical how things turned out.
Now they just mop up MC and pick out the yes men. Smart move, fair enough.
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psycorabbit
Minmatar Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.04.28 23:53:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Murtala Begging
Except Psycorabbit, he can have 19.23%.
WOW theres an offer i can't refuse lemme setup the contract to you right away :)
Heh now where have you been this whole time avon i miss our sexy chats in local 
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Iroku Mata
Minmatar Endovelicus Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.29 02:05:00 -
[120]
Edited by: Iroku Mata on 29/04/2008 02:05:30
Originally by: Mynas Atoch
Originally by: Athena Attom Screenshots show a nyx has been nuked aswell but as far as I was aware that it was an Oddesy nyx so it was either a joint decision of they said **** it.
ZaKma provided screenshots on crapheap:
Linkage
Linkage
Destroying Odyssey's Nyx wasn't a join decision. No one told them .. they found out by reading about it on these forums and on SHC. To say they are upset at the lack of consultation doesn't even come close.
Myn
Everytime you open your mouth it comes only sheat out. STFU and quit the game. MCs situation is only because of you dam... STFU
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