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James Lyrus Lyrus Associates	Posted - 2008.05.09 10:17:00 - [1] I'd like to bring to your attention a major imbalance in missiles, when compared to turrets. It's quite a serious problem really, but one that seems to have gone unnoticed. Namely, that missiles don't look as cool as turrets when firing. I recently acquired a G15 keyboards, so I could fire a 'full volley' from a Rokh. And I have to say, it looks really awesome, to see 8 rails (or blasters) firing at once. Try the same thing on a Raven, and what do you get. A big blob, that's slightly brighter than an individual missile, that kind a goes 'pop' when it hits something. Worse still, the 'missile blob' just kind of emerges from the centre of the hull. No turret firing animation, no 'visible hardpoints' just a little blob ejected into space. Now, there's one missile which doesn't have all these problems. The torpedo, has an eminently satisfying impact and blast wave. Even when you fire a 'powerball' of missiles, you get multiple rings on different planes, which means it at least looks like they got hit by several shots. Smaller missiles, however, don't do this. And don't get me started on the 'annoying yap' which is the explosion of light missiles. I mean, these are INTERNET SPACESHIPS. Where is the majesty of a flash and a yapping puppy explosion. I would like to suggest the following be implemented forthwith: Slight sideways vector on missiles when they fire. A full volley of missiles shouldn't be a 'single blob' - they should spread, just a little bit, so you can see that multiple shots have been fired. Launcher hardpoints - much like turrets, launchers attached to the hull. That animate when they fire. And missiles emerge from the launchers. Maybe even firing 'macross style' in all directions, and turning towards the target. Explosions: Let them look like explosions please, not metaphorical elavator flatulence. "Big bada boom". Torps are a good start, the rest need to follow. I think we can all agree, that 'looking awesome' is an area where missiles lose out chronically to turrets, and is an important gameplay factor that needs urgent attention. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking?
haulitall	Posted - 2008.05.09 10:29:00 - [2] Agreed. Stamped. Signed. Applauded. Yarr'ed.
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2008.05.09 10:34:00 - [3] Originally by: haulitall Agreed. Stamped. Signed. Applauded. Yarr'ed. OMG spam I kid... Yes, fancier missile effects would not be uncalled for. Perhaps a bit of extra flight time could be added to compensate for the altered trajectory, too. But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started.
Diomidis Amarr Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.09 11:05:00 - [4] Nice thread... Space has no oxygen, and the pinpoint consecration of energy warheads seek after, generally won't give the "Fireworks" effects you are after, even in our atmosphere. Join the Biggest Greek Corp! www.Mythos-eve.com - Join Mythos Channel in game! Introduce HEAT EMMITERÖ for the Pilgrim
Aadi Grox Minmatar Mafia	Posted - 2008.05.09 11:15:00 - [5] Originally by: haulitall Agreed. Stamped. Signed. Applauded. Yarr'ed. this x 1000
haulitall	Posted - 2008.05.09 11:27:00 - [6] Edited by: haulitall on 09/05/2008 11:27:51 Originally by: Diomidis Nice thread... Space has no oxygen, and the pinpoint consecration of energy warheads seek after, generally won't give the "Fireworks" effects you are after, even in our atmosphere. HERESY! I hereby demand my intarnet spaceship shoot pretty missiles!
Shionoya Risa The Xenodus Initiative. Overclockers Podpilot Services	Posted - 2008.05.09 11:30:00 - [7] Citadel Torpedoes > Turrets. That is all. ----- Quote: Argh! Natural light, get it off me! Get it off me!
dojocan81	Posted - 2008.05.09 11:30:00 - [8]
Daraxia	Posted - 2008.05.09 11:31:00 - [9] I think u can be a candidate for Eve CSM, and i will vote for you.
Vanessa Vale	Posted - 2008.05.09 11:49:00 - [10] Rofl. Ah, if all our problems were aesthetic
Cautet Precision Engineering Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.09 12:11:00 - [11] Edited by: Cautet on 09/05/2008 12:15:27 Originally by: Vanessa Vale Rofl. Ah, if all our problems were aesthetic Haha, seeing a Minmitar pilot use the word aesthetic makes me giggle. Half the ships they never got round to removing the scafold from. Not that they can compare with some of the more 'special' Caldari ships though, like the Moa. I got to remember to turn on effects next time I see dreads go into siege, and to actualy look at what they are doing, see if the Citadel are worth watching.
Inquisitor Barbarus	Posted - 2008.05.09 12:16:00 - [12] Signed....... ........But only if large artillery gets better sounds to counter the torp exposion visuals which are way overpowered. Really would be nice to see launcher hardpoints tho.
Guygeboe	Posted - 2008.05.09 12:22:00 - [13] Originally by: Aadi Grox Originally by: haulitall Agreed. Stamped. Signed. Applauded. Yarr'ed. this x 1000 this x 1000
mechtech Entropy Industries	Posted - 2008.05.09 12:28:00 - [14] The graphics update part 2 (which is effects and a few new models I think), should fix this, I'm hoping!
Pliskkenn Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.05.09 12:51:00 - [15] You know what? I agree with this. I agree with this completly. ---
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2008.05.09 12:51:00 - [16] Didn't missiles used to do this? I remember seeing an old video of EVE gameplay and the missiles that came out of the raven behaved just like that. Also, /signed, as I would actually fly my drake more if this happened. __________________________________
VengImpSuck	Posted - 2008.05.09 13:14:00 - [17] I Agree!
ACE2008	Posted - 2008.05.09 13:17:00 - [18] Agreed. Stamped. Signed. Applauded. Yarr'ed.
edtheshed Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.05.09 13:18:00 - [19] what are those pics from that dojocan81 posted? and yes, that is the soundest plan ive heard in a long time
Hanneshannes	Posted - 2008.05.09 13:22:00 - [20] Agreed with the little missile launchers on hull thing. Then again, if the missile are launched and need to turn and all, it cuts their range because they waste flight time to get in the right direction and they need to accelerate. Missiles are missiles, not projectiles with a combustion drive (or w/e they use).
Disco Flint The Flaming Sideburn's Blackguard Coalition	Posted - 2008.05.09 13:23:00 - [21] Edited by: Disco Flint on 09/05/2008 13:24:59 Originally by: James Lyrus ...and is an important gameplay factor that needs urgent attention. This, really. Missiles need more visual "Oomph!" edit: Originally by: Hanneshannes Then again, if the missile are launched and need to turn and all, it cuts their range because they waste flight time to get in the right direction and they need to accelerate. I'll gladly take a 5% reduction on range of all missiles for visibile launchers and missiles firing away in all directions. Simply because it's so much more awesome.
Bronson Hughes The. Conspiracy	Posted - 2008.05.09 13:34:00 - [22] I agree that having missiles get the same kind of detail to their firing graphics as guns would be very nice. One problem here is guided vs. unguided missiles. An animated missile turret would make sense for an unguided missile since it has no guidance system, but for guided missiles, all you need is a hole in the hull nuch like on the Crow, Eris, and the Drake. The other problem that I see is that I'd much rather devs spend their time on other, more pressing issues. Modifying the ship models to make room for more hardpoints, creating the actual launcher turret models, etc. would all have to be done for this to work and that's no small amount of effort. One thing that could be done as a compromise is to have launcher 'hardpoints' added as simple coordinates within the skin of an existing ship model. Just like gun turrets, each launcher would be associated with one of these internal hardpoints and when it fires, its missile would spawn from there instead of them all spawning from the center of mass. This is not a perfect solution, but it would go a long way towards making missiles look more impressive and it wouldn't require a whole lot of effort. -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.05.09 13:35:00 - [23] If there were a FEW things I could get done differently in Eve, reworking the missile system would be one of them. I'd LIKE to have my missiles appear from launchers rather than just appearing from the center of my ships. On a missile spewing ship like the HAM Drake it could look fairly spectacular. I'd also like the ability to turn effects off at the push of a button. 99% of the time I like the game to look as good as it can but larger PVP battles murder my system and I am spending all my time looking at text (the overview) and a graph (my HP) anyway.
Blutreiter Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.05.09 13:41:00 - [24] I recall that they had in fact properly shooting and following missiles in the first versions of EVE, up to the point that they would actually impact on obstacles, so if you hid behind an asteroid, you had a cozy spot. It was removed to help with the serverload, because each missile had to be calculated serverside up to a certain degree and multiple caldari ships would create a laggy nightmare, much like a blob of droneusers. Apart from this... YES PLEASE! Make those missiles fire out of proper missile bays! (i really do hope that comes with the next graphics update, where they promised to upgrade effects and other stuff as well...) Cogito ergo boom - I think i'll blow sht up* Originally by: CCP Explorer I know we have said this before, but this time we really mean itÖ
dojocan81	Posted - 2008.05.09 13:48:00 - [25] Originally by: edtheshed what are those pics from that dojocan81 posted? and yes, that is the soundest plan ive heard in a long time Nexus: The Jupiter Accident
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.05.09 13:50:00 - [26] Originally by: Guygeboe Originally by: Aadi Grox Originally by: haulitall Agreed. Stamped. Signed. Applauded. Yarr'ed. this x 1000 this x 1000 ITS OVER 9000!!!!!! I was going to come in and tell you to go do something with yourself that would get moderated but this is topnotch posting!
La Passoire	Posted - 2008.05.09 14:19:00 - [27] Originally by: Guygeboe Originally by: Aadi Grox Originally by: haulitall Agreed. Stamped. Signed. Applauded. Yarr'ed. this x 1000 this x 1000 this x 1000
Benco97 Gallente Exchangable Properties	Posted - 2008.05.09 14:36:00 - [28] I saw the topic title and began "powering-up" for a huge rant. I'm not sure whether to be happy or disappointed now. Originally by: Kirjava This man speaks the truth, when he farts we count the length in seconds and make squillions buying winning lottery tickets.
Jin Entres Malevolent Intervention Reavers.	Posted - 2008.05.09 14:45:00 - [29] I demand rainbow coloured trails! And different formations like flowers and hearts! And high-pitched japanese yells on every hit! --- CEO
haulitall	Posted - 2008.05.09 14:50:00 - [30] Originally by: Benco97 I saw the topic title and began "powering-up" for a huge rant. I'm not sure whether to be happy or disappointed now. Recommend the topic be changed to "Pixel pwnage" or something along that line to lessen confusion.
Ulstan	Posted - 2008.05.09 14:52:00 - [31] Quote: Launcher hardpoints - much like turrets, launchers attached to the hull. That animate when they fire. And missiles emerge from the launchers. YES PLEASE I hate the way my gunboats have fully articulated moving detailed turrets that individually fire, while my missileboats just spawn this little bright blob in the middle of the hull, with no launchers visible. The only ship that appears to have actual luanchers is the drake, and the missiles don't even come out of there!!! I've love to see launchers appear when you add launchers to a ship, and I'd love to see the missiles actually emerge from the proper launcher.
Lisento Slaven Amarr The Drekla Consortium	Posted - 2008.05.09 14:59:00 - [32] What game are those screenshots from? And make the launchers work exactly like turrets. They turn and aim etc. Not very hard to do no? --- Put in space whales!
Dario Wall Caldari Black Legion Industries	Posted - 2008.05.09 15:23:00 - [33] Citadel Torpedoes are pure win when they go boom. Just remember to steal some shades off a Brutor before you fire them if you don't want your eyes to melt out of your skull.
Sharp Feather Gallente Ministry of Natural Resources	Posted - 2008.05.09 15:30:00 - [34] add smoke trail to missiles and make missile hardpoint on the hull. problem fixed...explosion are fine.
Xaen Caldari Caritas.	Posted - 2008.05.09 15:36:00 - [35] Originally by: Diomidis Nice thread... Space has no oxygen, and the pinpoint consecration of energy warheads seek after, generally won't give the "Fireworks" effects you are after, even in our atmosphere. Actually even conventional warheads take with them all of the reactants required to make the explosion. So in space, explosive weapons bang just as pretty if not more so due to the perfectly spherical explosion due to the lack of gravity. That and they're actually less effective since they don't have any fluid like atmosphere to slam into your ship. - Support fixing the UI\|Suggest Jita fixes\|Compact logs
dojocan81	Posted - 2008.05.09 16:13:00 - [36] Originally by: Lisento Slaven What game are those screenshots from? And make the launchers work exactly like turrets. They turn and aim etc. Not very hard to do no? Nexus: the Jupiter Incident
Hobo silent	Posted - 2008.05.09 16:26:00 - [37] God i could not agree with this topic more. I admit that I sometimes stagger my missiles going off just so I can see them individually fired from my ship =p
Faife Noctiscion Twilight Trade Cartel	Posted - 2008.05.09 16:33:00 - [38] Edited by: Faife on 09/05/2008 16:33:48 I'm for this. Eat my graphics cpu all you want, but show me spammed clouds of missiles as a fleet of ravens comes in with massive trails i want graphics overload of data and lights. like this: http://media.teamxbox.com/games/ss/1526/1181845669.jpg
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.05.09 16:36:00 - [39] Originally by: Hobo silent God i could not agree with this topic more. I admit that I sometimes stagger my missiles going off just so I can see them individually fired from my ship =p I stagger my missiles in my drake to convince myself that I'm doing far more damage than my woeful 369 DPS using Heavy II launchers. Months of training and all I've managed to do is break the 7 second ROF mark (using only 2 BCU II's). Also, it seems to mildly surprise people when they get "hammered" by staggered missiles versus a blob. Most of them don't give the Drake credit for the number of missiles it can put into the air.
Dristra Amarr Shadows of the Dead R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.05.09 16:44:00 - [40] And btw there are NO "unguided" missiles in eve, just look at how torpedoes chase light drones like crazy, if that is unguided then I fly in a realistic space physics simulator not filled with oil. Support the introduction of well thought out Amarr solutions! I believe rats should avoid you if you have high standing with them.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates	Posted - 2008.05.09 22:55:00 - [41] Originally by: Hobo silent God i could not agree with this topic more. I admit that I sometimes stagger my missiles going off just so I can see them individually fired from my ship =p So do I. I even set my G15 up to evenly space them. Originally by: Bronson Hughes I agree that having missiles get the same kind of detail to their firing graphics as guns would be very nice. One problem here is guided vs. unguided missiles. An animated missile turret would make sense for an unguided missile since it has no guidance system, but for guided missiles, all you need is a hole in the hull nuch like on the Crow, Eris, and the Drake. How about a compromise then. We make guided missiles fly 'out' and arc around. And unguideds fire straight out of a launcher, approximatly towards the target, 'tracking' it a bit like a turret would (graphically, at least). -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking?
MalVortex Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.05.10 21:43:00 - [42] /signed /stamped BSG style missiles would be hot... Articulated launch points, Nice, long missile trail, very nice explosion.
GreenYoshi	Posted - 2008.05.10 22:38:00 - [43] Launcher hardpoints would be awesome, but with the amount of work they would take, we might as well ask for explosive terrain and location damage as well. HOWEVER, if the devs do decide to make this a priority, I'm all for it. Until then, I'll stick with the large guns. petition signed
Gorion Wassenar Caldari Stimulus	Posted - 2008.05.10 23:48:00 - [44] Everything about this proposal is awesome. ----- results may vary
Thenoran Caldari Knights of MADD Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate	Posted - 2008.05.11 00:05:00 - [45] Edited by: Thenoran on 11/05/2008 00:07:58 The graphics do need improving (launcher visible on the ship like a turret), but for PvE missiles have the major advantage of being able to switch damage type and always hitting when in range. That and tracking disruptors (like Sansha missions) won't bother you. I'd prefer if Missile Hardpoints were more like silos (the missiles are launched from there and then rotate towards the target) then launcher modules like turrets. ------------------------ Mining over 4000m3 per cycle...with a Rokh
Angelonico Series of Tubes	Posted - 2008.05.11 00:35:00 - [46] Originally by: haulitall Agreed. Stamped. Signed. Applauded. Yarr'ed. Quoted for the pure beauty of this.
Eyee Caldari Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations Star Buccaneers	Posted - 2008.05.11 03:18:00 - [47] just signed and signed again afterwards I WANT TO SEE THE WHOLE SKY BURNING WITH MY MISSILES Nah for real, would be a great idea:)
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2008.05.11 03:28:00 - [48] I totally agree with the pictures posted on the first page.
Grendelsbane	Posted - 2008.05.11 05:26:00 - [49] I was totally ready to be like, Oh Come On, not another one of these threads, and was pleasantly surprised... yeah, the launch effect is weak..
Wayson Minmatar Trans Nebula Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.11 06:07:00 - [50] Edited by: Wayson on 11/05/2008 06:07:52 I clicked here ready to tear the OP a new one, and then I read his post and was pleased. It was a weird transition. Missiles are ugliness right now. The Drake (yes I fly one) has all these cool onboard missile launchers, but the missiles launch from the center of the hull with a puff of smoke. Makes no sense and just looks bad. Why not plop on a launcher model for ships that don't (like the Drake) have built-in launchers? And as others have noted, I stagger my missile launches to make them look cooler (and to enjoy the missile stream of doom when it impacts the target). If I could see tight visible clusters of missiles and not the missile blob, then I'd be verrah pleased. ___ Victory smiles upon those who anticipate the changes in the character of war, not upon those who wait to adapt themselves after they occur. ~Guilio Douhet
Cilvius Sanctus Gallente The Order of Chivalry Nex Eternus	Posted - 2008.05.11 06:23:00 - [51] The first time I hopped my alt into a Drake I was excited to see some actual launchers on the side. Then I died a little inside when I found out that they don't actually do anything. I'm all for this. I always hated the way a big blob of missiles looked coming out of the center of your ship. When I can be bothered to do so, I would usually stagger my missiles because it is slightly more entertaining than seeing the big missile blob. Seeing actual launchers though, would be sweet. /signed
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.11 07:29:00 - [52] Originally by: Diomidis Nice thread... Space has no oxygen, and the pinpoint consecration of energy warheads seek after, generally won't give the "Fireworks" effects you are after, even in our atmosphere. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Spud Gunn	Posted - 2008.05.11 07:39:00 - [53] Originally by: Cilvius Sanctus When I can be bothered to do so, I would usually stagger my missiles because it is slightly more entertaining than seeing the big missile blob. Yeah... it's very satisfying when you get the timing right so that they're all evenly spaced out and you trace a long dotted line of doom between you and the other guy Also, I never got why turrets have twice as many on the ship model as you actually have fitted...
Jacob Holland Gallente Weyland-Vulcan Industries	Posted - 2008.05.11 08:14:00 - [54] A G15 keyboard has an advantage for the missile user too - the opportunity for the perfect launch. If you want cool from your missiles then that's the way to look, a constant stream of equally spaced launches which works with missiles but just looks like your gun crews have never worked together if you try to do it with turrets. Of course the explosion effects and such from missiles other than torps do have a cool factor, the issue is just that you have to look closely. The missile at the head of the blob, the cruise missile's rings...etc are all there for the discerning missile user while the turret user just gets a little tiny flash of light which in no way suggests a half meter projectile travelling at close to the speed of light. -- Originally by: cordy Respect to IAC .Your one of the few people who truly deserve to own and live in the space you are in.
Steakkbone Helios Incorporated Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.11 08:45:00 - [55] Edited by: Steakkbone on 11/05/2008 08:48:28 Missile trails would be cool, maybe a spiraling effect? Launchers + launcher firing animation is definitely needed though.
TimMc Gallente Genos Occidere	Posted - 2008.05.11 09:03:00 - [56] /signed.
Tarel Necor Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.05.11 16:22:00 - [57] Originally by: James Lyrus <snip> Launcher hardpoints - much like turrets, launchers attached to the hull. That animate when they fire. And missiles emerge from the launchers. Maybe even firing 'macross style' in all directions, and turning towards the target. <snip> I think we can all agree, that 'looking awesome' is an area where missiles lose out chronically to turrets, and is an important gameplay factor that needs urgent attention.
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2008.05.11 16:30:00 - [58] Originally by: Spud Gunn Also, I never got why turrets have twice as many on the ship model as you actually have fitted... It's so that you can always fire all weapons without the guns shooting through your own ship. __________________________________
Cassandra Beckinsale	Posted - 2008.05.11 17:00:00 - [59] Originally by: James Lyrus I'd like to bring to your attention a major imbalance in missiles, when compared to turrets. It's quite a serious problem really, but one that seems to have gone unnoticed. Namely, that missiles don't look as cool as turrets when firing. I recently acquired a G15 keyboards, so I could fire a 'full volley' from a Rokh. And I have to say, it looks really awesome, to see 8 rails (or blasters) firing at once. Try the same thing on a Raven, and what do you get. A big blob, that's slightly brighter than an individual missile, that kind a goes 'pop' when it hits something. Worse still, the 'missile blob' just kind of emerges from the centre of the hull. No turret firing animation, no 'visible hardpoints' just a little blob ejected into space. Now, there's one missile which doesn't have all these problems. The torpedo, has an eminently satisfying impact and blast wave. Even when you fire a 'powerball' of missiles, you get multiple rings on different planes, which means it at least looks like they got hit by several shots. Smaller missiles, however, don't do this. And don't get me started on the 'annoying yap' which is the explosion of light missiles. I mean, these are INTERNET SPACESHIPS. Where is the majesty of a flash and a yapping puppy explosion. I would like to suggest the following be implemented forthwith: Slight sideways vector on missiles when they fire. A full volley of missiles shouldn't be a 'single blob' - they should spread, just a little bit, so you can see that multiple shots have been fired. Launcher hardpoints - much like turrets, launchers attached to the hull. That animate when they fire. And missiles emerge from the launchers. Maybe even firing 'macross style' in all directions, and turning towards the target. Explosions: Let them look like explosions please, not metaphorical elavator flatulence. "Big bada boom". Torps are a good start, the rest need to follow. I think we can all agree, that 'looking awesome' is an area where missiles lose out chronically to turrets, and is an important gameplay factor that needs urgent attention. Using external programs for an in game advantage is against eula. You are actually using a G15 (an external thing to eve) to gain a particualr advantage over ppl that have to click separately all the fire buttons.
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2008.05.11 19:12:00 - [60] Lyrus... clap clap clap. Glad to see you're still enjoying Eve :). Oh, and /signed, I want to see missiles launching like on stargate atlantis :). Eve-Tanking.com - We're sorry, something happened.
Havohej The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT	Posted - 2008.05.11 19:27:00 - [61] Originally by: Cautet Edited by: Cautet on 09/05/2008 12:15:27 Originally by: Vanessa Vale Rofl. Ah, if all our problems were aesthetic Haha, seeing a Minmitar pilot use the word aesthetic makes me giggle. Half the ships they never got round to removing the scafold from. Not that they can compare with some of the more 'special' Caldari ships though, like the Moa. I got to remember to turn on effects next time I see dreads go into siege, and to actualy look at what they are doing, see if the Citadel are worth watching. That scaffolding provides additional EM resistance - useful for fending off Amarrian goldiboats. Originally by: techzer0 I'm invincible until proven wrong
Cassandra Beckinsale	Posted - 2008.05.11 19:46:00 - [62] Originally by: Arakidias Originally by: Cassandra Beckinsale Originally by: James Lyrus I'd like to bring to your attention a major imbalance in missiles, when compared to turrets. It's quite a serious problem really, but one that seems to have gone unnoticed. Namely, that missiles don't look as cool as turrets when firing. I recently acquired a G15 keyboards, so I could fire a 'full volley' from a Rokh. And I have to say, it looks really awesome, to see 8 rails (or blasters) firing at once. Try the same thing on a Raven, and what do you get. A big blob, that's slightly brighter than an individual missile, that kind a goes 'pop' when it hits something. Worse still, the 'missile blob' just kind of emerges from the centre of the hull. No turret firing animation, no 'visible hardpoints' just a little blob ejected into space. Now, there's one missile which doesn't have all these problems. The torpedo, has an eminently satisfying impact and blast wave. Even when you fire a 'powerball' of missiles, you get multiple rings on different planes, which means it at least looks like they got hit by several shots. Smaller missiles, however, don't do this. And don't get me started on the 'annoying yap' which is the explosion of light missiles. I mean, these are INTERNET SPACESHIPS. Where is the majesty of a flash and a yapping puppy explosion. I would like to suggest the following be implemented forthwith: Slight sideways vector on missiles when they fire. A full volley of missiles shouldn't be a 'single blob' - they should spread, just a little bit, so you can see that multiple shots have been fired. Launcher hardpoints - much like turrets, launchers attached to the hull. That animate when they fire. And missiles emerge from the launchers. Maybe even firing 'macross style' in all directions, and turning towards the target. Explosions: Let them look like explosions please, not metaphorical elavator flatulence. "Big bada boom". Torps are a good start, the rest need to follow. I think we can all agree, that 'looking awesome' is an area where missiles lose out chronically to turrets, and is an important gameplay factor that needs urgent attention. Using external programs for an in game advantage is against eula. You are actually using a G15 (an external thing to eve) to gain a particualr advantage over ppl that have to click separately all the fire buttons. Actually G15 is okay according to devs I imagne is ok then if i create macro with G15 or anotehr keyboard that allow me to mine automatically...
Spud Gunn	Posted - 2008.05.11 21:27:00 - [63] Originally by: Cassandra Beckinsale I imagne is ok then if i create macro with G15 or anotehr keyboard that allow me to mine automatically... Good luck with that. AFAIK, the G15 can only automate a sequence of keystrokes at the press of a button. It doesn't run things automatically, and it certainly can't interact with the game's UI in such a manner which would let you automate mining. Unless you can figure out a way of mining entirely using keyboard shortcuts?
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.05.11 21:40:00 - [64] Yes, yes, and more yes. YES!
MentaFox StarHunt Fallout Project	Posted - 2008.05.11 21:51:00 - [65] /signed ----------------------
Little Matt Caldari New Fnord Industries Black Scope Project	Posted - 2008.05.12 01:20:00 - [66] Gods yes. I too was unhappy with the drake. I saw the 'launch points' and got my hopes up that they'd be used. No such luck. We have the models already drawn, albeit in 2d on the module icon. Surely building a 3d object couldn't be that difficult.
Kvirie Caldari Children of the Wind	Posted - 2008.05.12 02:03:00 - [67] I'd like to note for everyone that when your missiles come out at a random direction, they are going to be spending part of their flight time getting back on target, which will give an indirect nerf to missile range as a result.
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2008.05.12 02:08:00 - [68] Originally by: Kvirie I'd like to note for everyone that when your missiles come out at a random direction, they are going to be spending part of their flight time getting back on target, which will give an indirect nerf to missile range as a result. They can just add a flat 0.5s increase to all missile flight times after skills are applied. Essentially, missile flight time wouldn't start from launch time but from the time it starts tracking the target. Eve-Tanking.com - We're sorry, something happened.
Little Matt Caldari New Fnord Industries Black Scope Project	Posted - 2008.05.12 03:24:00 - [69] Originally by: Kvirie I'd like to note for everyone that when your missiles come out at a random direction, they are going to be spending part of their flight time getting back on target, which will give an indirect nerf to missile range as a result. Good point. In fact, it was a good point when the last 4 people mentioned it too. Still, it bears repeating I suppose.
ceyriot Induseng Enterprises R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.05.12 05:20:00 - [70] Originally by: ACE2008 Agreed. Stamped. Signed. Applauded. Yarr'ed. This x 10000 Faction Store - Killboard
Anon Forumalt	Posted - 2008.05.12 05:25:00 - [71] Originally by: Kvirie I'd like to note for everyone that when your missiles come out at a random direction, they are going to be spending part of their flight time getting back on target, which will give an indirect nerf to missile range as a result. Actually, missiles already have a built in "range nerf" in which they take time to accelerate to full speed. This is why EFT's missile range numbers are always off by a couple km, even on a stationary target. Sooo...we could just say that the built in delay is enough, and have a neato graphic. If they really wanted to go nuts with the visuals, the missile could "pop free" of the hull, then its engine could ignite and it could go speeding off in the right direction. Ahhh, if only. /dream
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.05.12 05:29:00 - [72] Originally by: haulitall Agreed. Stamped. Signed. Applauded. Yarr'ed. First reply was the best reply. inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan
Mr Ignitious Gallente R.E.C.O.N. Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.12 11:27:00 - [73] Edited by: Mr Ignitious on 12/05/2008 11:29:04 time to break the thread!! (sorry guys, i know how much fun you must've been having.) YAH give missiles awesome buff to looks, and turret visuals!! but for all of us sad sad gallente pilots with our phobos crying because it HAS a missile hardpoint visual but no launcher hardpoints, me wants missiles on my roden ships. And hey, why not give some more missiles to the lach, ares, and eris while we're at it i say this not as "boohoo, my ships are bad which is me actually saying im bad and want eve to accomodate my weakness," i say it as i want my ships too look cooler/maybe follow manufacturers description a little more edit: OH! and this Originally by: Jin Entres I demand rainbow coloured trails! And different formations like flowers and hearts! And high-pitched japanese yells on every hit!
Hungry Hippo	Posted - 2008.05.13 18:04:00 - [74] I agree with this 100% !! I've always thought it was odd that they haven't made launchers for missles appear on the ships and actually fire missles. SIGNED
Cloora Black River Industries	Posted - 2008.05.13 18:21:00 - [75] I have been pleading for this since I first got a Rokh and then saw the awesomeness that is firing 8 turrets at once. My Drake and Raven are so Meh in comparison. Buff missile animations! Visibile Missile hardpoints FTW!! This is my Opinion and not that of Black River Industries or any of its members.

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