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Alindyar
The Golden Goat
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Posted - 2008.05.10 00:28:00 -
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Edited by: Alindyar on 10/05/2008 00:29:27
Recently, I've been camping with a Moros (Lame, smack me w/e)...
However, the problem is... It works, and it works VERY well.
Setup
Highs
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2x Capital Remote Armor Repairer
2x Capital Shield Transporter
Meds
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3x Cap Recharger II
1x Warp Disruptor II
1x Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster
Lows
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Capital Armor Repairer
6x Capacitor Power Relay II
Rigs
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3x CCC
Drones
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Mix of T2 Sentries, Lights, Heavies.
Deals out over 1000dps, to drones which in theory, can not ever die if used correctly. (Sentries get 10k or so raw HP). Everything also runs 24/7. Its virtually impossible to die in 60seconds, as thats the longest you'll be aggro'd for after a reasonable fleet arrives.
Now while this thread is unauthordox and I will continue to use this setup for all the time it stays avalible. This needs to be fixed. (I don't know how), but it does.
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Sharp Feather
Gallente
Ministry of Natural Resources
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Posted - 2008.05.10 00:32:00 -
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I cant wait to have one.
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arbalesttom
Caldari
Glauxian Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.10 00:34:00 -
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***Sig***
 Originally by: Cpt Branko
That is a JoJo, a forum troll used by Amarr whiners.
If real men fly amarr, what does a nbermensch fly then? ---> Gallente ^(>_<)^ |
Crackzilla
The Shadow Order
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.10 00:42:00 -
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... until you're bumped from the station.
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Alindyar
The Golden Goat
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Posted - 2008.05.10 00:45:00 -
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Originally by: *****zilla
... until you're bumped from the station.
Amarr/Caldari stations are incredibly hard to bump a properly placed dread off in 60s.
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AKULA UrQuan
Caldari
Druuge Crimson Corporation
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Posted - 2008.05.10 00:46:00 -
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There is a reason why cloaking 10km+/sec Machariels exist....Assumeing it still works. 
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Hardtail
Red Dawn Empire
Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.10 00:47:00 -
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lolbump
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Fivel Ve
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.05.10 00:50:00 -
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welp ... i have a camping in my moros addiction 
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
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Posted - 2008.05.10 00:50:00 -
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Moros has the singular distinction that it gets a large chunk of DPS outside siege mode. IIRC about 1000dps from drones. Drone bonus in siege only, and I don't think anyone has any problems with it.
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Crane needs more grid
249km locking? |
Kuzya Morozov
Gallente
The Older Gamers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.05.10 03:15:00 -
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Even worse than this thread being ********, the set-up you are using is terrible.
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Alindyar
The Golden Goat
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Posted - 2008.05.10 03:21:00 -
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Originally by: Kuzya Morozov
Even worse than this thread being ********, the set-up you are using is terrible.
Shame it works then?
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easei
AnTi.
Atrocitas
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Posted - 2008.05.10 03:36:00 -
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I will vouch for this setup as I have seen 1st person the destruction Alindyar rains down.
The ship is fine however, Amarr stations have a 30KM docking range so being bumped off is pretty much not going to happen.
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AKULA UrQuan
Caldari
Druuge Crimson Corporation
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Posted - 2008.05.10 03:39:00 -
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Without siege mode somebody is going to get the bright idea to park a scorp 150+km away. Add in a well timed bump and you'll get a nice insurance payout.
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Alindyar
The Golden Goat
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Posted - 2008.05.10 03:59:00 -
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They park scorps 150KM away constantly, I just scoop drones, de-aggro.
I don't believe from the time machariel arrives on grid, to being bumped 30km, can take less than 60secs.
Unless by sheer LUCK, It arrives at perfect angle, gets a perfect bump (instead of the ones where you go through target ship) and bumps me at a speed which keeps me above a 500m/s average for 60s.
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Atsuko Ratu
Caldari
VSP Corp.
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Posted - 2008.05.10 04:19:00 -
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I don't see how this is overpowered.
You do less dps than a battleship while being totally suck near a station.
I guess it might work well against like... bored pirates who see a cap camping a station. So I guess it's a decent bait ship.
People who can actually kill you probably don't care, giving an impressive illusion of safety.
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Ruah Piskonit
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2008.05.10 05:19:00 -
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So, I guess there is going to be another station camping nurf in the works?
Because cheap deaggro setups on capitals require so much skill. . .
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Lt Angus
Caldari
Wicked Crew
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Posted - 2008.05.10 08:54:00 -
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Edited by: Lt Angus on 10/05/2008 08:56:25
Yea great setup, worse than a thanatos in every way and twice the price,
and sentrys very very commonly launch outside scoop range on a moros
Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers |
Kissapasi
Kissapasi Corporation
Paisti Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.05.10 09:26:00 -
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Already been posted & discussed
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joshmorris
AnTi.
Atrocitas
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Posted - 2008.05.10 09:31:00 -
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Edited by: joshmorris on 10/05/2008 09:34:37
Lol your cool,
But yeah it is sorta bad.
I mean 10k hp on sentrys and you rr them ?
You also forget to mention that dont you have a alt in a zealot dealing out some of the dps at times (while you rr him)?
Uber idea solves all !! |
James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
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Posted - 2008.05.10 09:34:00 -
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Originally by: Lt Angus
Edited by: Lt Angus on 10/05/2008 08:56:25
Yea great setup, worse than a thanatos in every way and twice the price,
and sentrys very very commonly launch outside scoop range on a moros
5x Moros bonussed ogre IIs, clocks in at 1109 dps at peak.
15 Ogre IIs on a Thanatos is 950. (And you need highs filled with drone control units to do this).
The Moros outdamages a carrier when using drones. It outdamages 'non thanatos' carriers, when they're using 10 fighters.
It outdamages the other dreadnoughts by a large margin too, when they're not in siege.
*shrug*. If you're wanting to use drones (and lets face it, fighters suck for smaller targets) the Moros is better at it than anything else.
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Crane needs more grid
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Zzz
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Posted - 2008.05.10 10:11:00 -
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Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 10/05/2008 10:11:46
Perhaps you might consider taking out 1 CCC rig and putting in a sentry damage rig? Or some of the cap rechargers for omnidirectional tracking links? Also, since you're not in siege, you could also drop the sensor booster and get someone to remote boost you.
Also, perhaps the same person could use a tracking link on your sentries?
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Alindyar
The Golden Goat
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Posted - 2008.05.10 15:07:00 -
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Edited by: Alindyar on 10/05/2008 15:13:55
Edited by: Alindyar on 10/05/2008 15:08:03
Edited by: Alindyar on 10/05/2008 15:07:20
Originally by: James Lyrus
Originally by: Lt Angus
Edited by: Lt Angus on 10/05/2008 08:56:25
Yea great setup, worse than a thanatos in every way and twice the price,
and sentrys very very commonly launch outside scoop range on a moros
5x Moros bonussed ogre IIs, clocks in at 1109 dps at peak.
15 Ogre IIs on a Thanatos is 950. (And you need highs filled with drone control units to do this).
The Moros outdamages a carrier when using drones. It outdamages 'non thanatos' carriers, when they're using 10 fighters.
It outdamages the other dreadnoughts by a large margin too, when they're not in siege.
*shrug*. If you're wanting to use drones (and lets face it, fighters suck for smaller targets) the Moros is better at it than anything else.
Precisely, the Moros can't launch multiple waves(only 4 in comparison to dozens) but why would it need to when it can keep its drones alive ALOT easier than a Thanatos (More drones, harder to micro-manange and not as much HP to work with).
Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 10/05/2008 10:11:46
Perhaps you might consider taking out 1 CCC rig and putting in a sentry damage rig? Or some of the cap rechargers for omnidirectional tracking links? Also, since you're not in siege, you could also drop the sensor booster and get someone to remote boost you.
Also, perhaps the same person could use a tracking link on your sentries?
This is for solo, which is my point, this makes a very good solo camping ship (also better than any other capital).
Originally by: Kissapasi
Already been posted & discussed
I had seen that thread after I posted mine just to check if it had been discussed before, however that thread afaik was theory, im actually using this practically and it works.
Originally by: joshmorris
Edited by: joshmorris on 10/05/2008 09:34:37
Lol your cool,
But yeah it is sorta bad.
I mean 10k hp on sentrys and you rr them ?
You also forget to mention that dont you have a alt in a zealot dealing out some of the dps at times (while you rr him)?
The zealot is a friend rather than an alt, for the majority of the time hes not online so its irrelavent.
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Kehmor
Caldari
PAK
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Posted - 2008.05.10 15:15:00 -
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How on earth do you solo camp a station without a web? Even with 1000 odd dps most people will manage to redock in time.
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Violence isn't the answer, it is the question.
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Alindyar
The Golden Goat
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Posted - 2008.05.10 15:18:00 -
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Edited by: Alindyar on 10/05/2008 15:18:29
Originally by: Kehmor
How on earth do you solo camp a station without a web? Even with 1000 odd dps most people will manage to redock in time.
They're in docking range the whole time. Its working out at about 400mil/damage every 5hours of people who let themselves die. This isn't about people who are stupid enough to let themselves die, its the fact they can't do anything about it.
So they pull out a 7 racial rook/falcon. I dock for 10mins, they get bored and go back to do whatever they were doing.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.05.10 15:53:00 -
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Sweet. Evemon informs me that I have two combat alts who could use that exact same setup in under two months training time. Wooo for biting the bullet and pretraining all my capital support skills up to snuff instead of training for the dread first. 
inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan |
Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.10 17:06:00 -
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Been complaining about this dread with a built-in support fleet more than a year ago, but noone cared.
It's wrong that a dread is ueber against smaller targets, that's not what dreads are good for - or other dreads should be given this too.
Hope this now becomes a boom, everyone and his dog will use it, so that ccp will nerf it even before the start of factional warfare.
Gallentes are overpowered enuff, don't need such extra toys that are out of line with the other factions counterparts.
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Bronson Hughes
The. Conspiracy
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Posted - 2008.05.10 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
It's wrong that a dread is ueber against smaller targets, that's not what dreads are good for - or other dreads should be given this too.
The actual capital weapon damage of a Moros is fairly low since, unless it's getting hot-dropped right onto another capital ship, it needs to fit capital rails. And if it fits capital blasters it does excellent damage at point blank range, which is a bad combo on such a large, slow ship. The damage bonus to drones helps offset both of these facts; if you take it away without somehow supplementing it's capital weapon damage you'd gimp it relative to the other dreads.
Besides, if I were in a battleship I'd be much more concerned about a TP-equipped/supported Phoenix camping a station than a Moros.
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joshmorris
AnTi.
Atrocitas
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Posted - 2008.05.10 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Been complaining about this dread with a built-in support fleet more than a year ago, but noone cared.
It's wrong that a dread is ueber against smaller targets, that's not what dreads are good for - or other dreads should be given this too.
Hope this now becomes a boom, everyone and his dog will use it, so that ccp will nerf it even before the start of factional warfare.
Gallentes are overpowered enuff, don't need such extra toys that are out of line with the other factions counterparts.
I agree with everything you say appart from your last sentence.
So you fail.
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fkingfurious
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Posted - 2008.05.10 19:11:00 -
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By my maths it'll only manage 1000DPS with drones if you have Dreadnought 5 trained in which case i say good luck to ya.
With Garde II's and a sentry damage mod it " Only" does 990 or so with Dreadnought 4.
That is epically funny tho, and tbh anyone who cant get themselves docked before they get killed by that thing probably deserves to get slapped. Unless people are actually seriously trying to fight a Dreadnought thats parked on a station without a cap fleet of their own. In which case they still deserve to get slapped.
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Commoner
Caldari
Emergent Chaos
Bedlam Consortium
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Posted - 2008.05.10 19:20:00 -
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Edited by: Commoner on 10/05/2008 19:22:21
Edited by: Commoner on 10/05/2008 19:20:32
Edited by: Commoner on 10/05/2008 19:20:05
I can attest the fact that the setup Alindyar is using is indeed very powerful. The thing is, that you can often lock cruisers/industrials entering this said station before they dock and instant pop them with a volley from the sentries he's launching. (warp to 0 sometimes land you 2.5km's off station).
Got a hit for 500 dmg on my scorpion (on shield).
See you soon Alindyar, my Anti-Moros scorp is ready :P
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