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Xaen
Caldari
Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.05.13 15:52:00 -
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 Originally by: CCP Explorer
But I have been talking to the UI developers today about the need to fix this.
Lies. You don't have any UI developers. That much is obvious to anyone who has studied HCI. You might have programmers creating code that ends up in the UI, but you do not have UI developers.
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fuze
InfoMorph Services Ltd
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Posted - 2008.05.13 16:12:00 -
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A bit harsh but I agree on a general level. |
DigiFusion
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Posted - 2008.05.13 16:13:00 -
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Edited by: DigiFusion on 13/05/2008 16:13:22
Have to agree.
If explorer is not confused over programmers and actual UI developers then we are in more trouble than I thought. 
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.05.13 16:35:00 -
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Wasn't T20's official title, actually UI Developer?
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Zeba
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.05.13 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Wasn't T20's official title, actually UI Developer?
I think what Xean is trying to say is that even though there are some Devs with that title they really are not.  But eh to me the UI is mostly fine. A bit annoying at inoppertune moments but that just adds to the randomness of pvp at times. Saying that I wouldn't mind a few of the moar hateful bugs getting sorted. 
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Lubomir Penev
interimo
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Posted - 2008.05.13 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Wasn't T20's official title, actually UI Developer?
I think what Xean is trying to say is that even though there are some Devs with that title they really are not. But eh to me the UI is mostly fine. A bit annoying at inoppertune moments but that just adds to the randomness of pvp at times. Saying that I wouldn't mind a few of the moar hateful bugs getting sorted.
Yeah, "Open Drone Bay" not grayed on ships without one, "Self destruct" not changing to "Cancel self destruct" once you initiated it, and many more like that are the sign of a polished and professionaly designed UI.
Just because you got used to mediocrity doesn't mean it's OK.
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Fakespace
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Posted - 2008.05.13 16:45:00 -
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i actually think they DO have UI developers... and that is what's wrong.
If you have ever seen a a UI completely based on GOMS usabillity testing
or similar, you know what i mean (strict adherance to theory usually mean
a bad UI).
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.05.13 16:46:00 -
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Thanks god CCP is redoing the UI, according to Hellmar during one of the first live dev-blogs 
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.13 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Wasn't T20's official title, actually UI Developer?
I guess that might go some way to explain things 
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Lubomir Penev
interimo
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Posted - 2008.05.13 16:53:00 -
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Nice, XSS hole in those craptastic forums. Next days should prove interresting...
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Shionoya Risa
The Xenodus Initiative.
Overclockers Podpilot Services
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Posted - 2008.05.13 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Wasn't T20's official title, actually UI Developer?
UI programmer. (Down the bottom.)
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr
Naval Protection Corp
Carpe Universitas
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Posted - 2008.05.13 17:13:00 -
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I like this UI, actually.
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Xaen
Caldari
Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.05.13 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Grarr Dexx
I like this UI, actually.
Masochist.
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Shionoya Risa
The Xenodus Initiative.
Overclockers Podpilot Services
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Posted - 2008.05.13 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Xaen
Originally by: Grarr Dexx
I like this UI, actually.
Masochist.
The current UI is not painful, nor is it a punishment.
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Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers
Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.05.13 17:25:00 -
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The UI has some glitches, yes. But beyond the fact that it's laggy and that overheating mods sometimes happens when you're clumpsy. It is a good UI.
Black Hand.
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar
Vengeance 8 Interceptors
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Posted - 2008.05.13 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: fuze
A bit harsh but I agree on a general level.
Just quoteing this for the truth of the statement.
Questions, Comments, Problems, Please address them to the CSM..
Now CCP Never have to visit the forum.
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2008.05.13 17:36:00 -
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For a game without a UI developer see City of Villains. Specifically the way that lag affects mouseclicks such that the game responds to the click as though it were at the location of the mouse pointer when the server responds, not at the location of the click event.
Many single-use powers lost to that bug, which I reported and explained why it happens and how to fix it.
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Xaen
Caldari
Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.05.13 17:47:00 -
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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
It is a good UI.
No it isn't. The fact that you think so only serves to make it clear that you haven't the slightest inkling about HCI.
Some often repeated tasks require 1,800% more physical user actions than truly necessary. Or do you never repackage everything in your hangar, then stack it? This also assumes that you never accidentally slide the mouse off of one of the abhorrent popup sub menus, and are not interrupted by a modal dialog stealing focus in the middle of it. Either of these could push the unnecessary physical user actions to 2,600% more than necessary.
Slapping access to functionality into a popup menu is a crutch to get through developer testing of the functionality itself. Having it in the finished product is beyond terrible. This is something the guys at Apple knew back in about, say 1980? Why do you think there were no two button Mac mice? It wasn't purely a hipster cool wannabe decision. It was to force programmers not to overburden the right click menu.
A good UI requires a minimum of intuitive physical user actions and will absolutely, in no uncertain terms, never steal focus from the user. And those are just a couple of aspects intrinsic to HCI that you're completely oblivious to.
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
xaen: Could it be he was referring to the coders responsible for the UI? And that you're just arguing semantics?
No. Any idiot can put code in your UI source code, you could then slap a title on him and call him a UI developer. But a real UI developer will write code that results in a good UI, not create the Fuster Cluck we attempt to interact with EVE on.
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Cailais
Amarr
VITOC
Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2008.05.13 17:53:00 -
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Ok - you dont like the UI. We get it.
CCP have said theyre looking at improving it: what more do you want?
C.
A new look at Local - IDEA |
eeevans
Four Rings
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.13 17:55:00 -
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itt: someone who recently read 'hci for dummies'.
well done.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.13 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Cailais
Ok - you dont like the UI. We get it.
CCP have said theyre looking at improving it: what more do you want?
My guess? A job.
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Vanessa Vale
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Posted - 2008.05.13 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Cailais
Ok - you dont like the UI. We get it.
CCP have said theyre looking at improving it: what more do you want?
That they do.
And that they remove the green on green once and for all.
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CCP Lingorm
C C P
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Posted - 2008.05.13 18:04:00 -
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Xaen .... You are free to fix it.
CCP Lingorm
CCP Quality Assurance
QA Engineering Team Leader
Originally by: Lord Fitz
Eve is to WoW as Wow is to an 8 player game of Unreal Tournament.
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Xaen
Caldari
Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.05.13 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: eeevans
itt: someone who recently read 'hci for dummies'.
well done.
I didn't realize such a book. Maybe CCP should read it?
Also, if you'd check the thread in my sig, you'd realize that the godawful state of the UI and my critique of it is not a recent development.
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Cailais
Amarr
VITOC
Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2008.05.13 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Lingorm
Xaen .... You are free to fix it.
 - there you go Xaen: can you do it?!!
C.
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Xaen
Caldari
Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.05.13 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Lingorm
Xaen .... You are free to fix it.
I'm flattered. But after all my forum whoring and complaints, I figure I'd be laughed out of the phone screening.
Not to mention I'm not willing to move to Iceland.
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CCP Lingorm
C C P
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Posted - 2008.05.13 18:17:00 -
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Xaen,
As I have mentioned before, we read your posts, but it is also a matter of resources and well we must admit that part of our graphics framework needs a complete rewrite ... it is slow and cumbersome ... but it is happening ...
Some of what you suggest is because of this framework other parts well, they could be better. Trust me my wife constant tells me how bad the Corp UI is ...
And Iceland is a pretty nice country to live in ... but we are also looking for a UI designer in the Atlanta Office for the 'Other Project' you could apply for that as the same tech is used and you can effect the framework via indirect means.
So lots of options.
CCP Lingorm
CCP Quality Assurance
QA Engineering Team Leader
Originally by: Lord Fitz
Eve is to WoW as Wow is to an 8 player game of Unreal Tournament.
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Cailais
Amarr
VITOC
Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2008.05.13 18:21:00 -
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 Dammit - nobody offers me a job at CCP.
C.
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Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2008.05.13 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Cailais
Dammit - nobody offers me a job at CCP.
C.
I heard your csm moderation on ts, you have a nice voice--will you narrate my life
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Benco97
Gallente
Exchangable Properties
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Posted - 2008.05.13 18:28:00 -
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Sooo... basically... this thread is a bunch of "artists" trying to justify why they think they are so important?
The current UI allows me to do anything I'd like to do in game, if I mis-click then I, YES ME, I MIS-CLICKED.
Originally by: Kirjava
This man speaks the truth, when he farts we count the length in seconds and make squillions buying winning lottery tickets.
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