Originally by: Blazde

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Edited by: Blazde on 02/07/2008 21:14:58
Another good example of citadel torps all getting smartbombed: http://morsus-mihi.net/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=93917

There's a lot of things wrong with citadel torps and various ways they could be fixed but I can't help thinking the easiest short term solution is to give people the choice to avoid them:


- Give the Naglfar +2 turret hardpoints so it can fit 4 projectile weapons

- Give the Phoenix +3 turret hardpoints and modify it's bonuses to:
5% bonus to Capital Hybrid Turret damage per level
7.5% bonus to Capital Launcher rate of fire per level

- Both dreads would probably need a bit extra pg too.


In turret form the Pheonix would perform like a Moros without the imba drones, in launcher mode it's dps would be a bit lower at level 4 using any flavour torp compared to a current Phoenix using Rift and at level 5 almost identical to today, but without the kinetic restriction.

Interestingly the Elder Naglfars in the Empyrean age trailer were firing 4-volleys of citadel torps

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Originally by: BiggestT

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Originally by: Blazde

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Edited by: Blazde on 02/07/2008 21:14:58
Another good example of citadel torps all getting smartbombed: http://morsus-mihi.net/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=93917

There's a lot of things wrong with citadel torps and various ways they could be fixed but I can't help thinking the easiest short term solution is to give people the choice to avoid them:


- Give the Naglfar +2 turret hardpoints so it can fit 4 projectile weapons

- Give the Phoenix +3 turret hardpoints and modify it's bonuses to:
5% bonus to Capital Hybrid Turret damage per level
7.5% bonus to Capital Launcher rate of fire per level

- Both dreads would probably need a bit extra pg too.


In turret form the Pheonix would perform like a Moros without the imba drones, in launcher mode it's dps would be a bit lower at level 4 using any flavour torp compared to a current Phoenix using Rift and at level 5 almost identical to today, but without the kinetic restriction.

Interestingly the Elder Naglfars in the Empyrean age trailer were firing 4-volleys of citadel torps

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WOW that wld be like an aweosme buff :D
Give rokh pilots something to train to for their hybrid stuffs rather than just cross-training moros

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Originally by: Lord Fitz

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Looking at the listed HP of Citadel torps, this should not be possible, but on the test server it is, so something is wrong, something with supposedly over 2300 HP is being brought down by 600 damage. You only need 2 smartbombs to do it, you should need at least 5.

The pre/post siege thing, unfortunately that was an exploit fix. I remember the good old days when you used to be able to drive a phoenix or three outside a POS shield, let off 3 volleys, re-enter the POS shield and hit siege, with torps doing full siege damage, and your phoenix's able to insta pop another dread (pre HP boost) while immune to repercussions. Mind you at that point POS's were a little more nasty to small ships, so it wasn't as easy to be tackled on your way out and back in.

I can't think of any good way to fix that, you shouldn't be letting them off pre-siege, and expecting anything (maybe at most normal damage though this may be harder to calculate), and post-siege again, yep, you lose damage, one reason I guess to not single cycle siege, risk/reward etc etc.

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Originally by: white kight

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Back to the top. Cmon can we get a dev response plz?

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Originally by: BiggestT

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Edited by: BiggestT on 18/08/2008 13:27:52

Originally by: white kight

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Back to the top. Cmon can we get a dev response plz?

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check my post above theres ur response, in case u want it again,
linky:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=846799

edit: added it to sig too :D

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Originally by: Vily

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Originally by: BiggestT

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Edited by: BiggestT on 18/08/2008 13:27:52

Originally by: white kight

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Back to the top. Cmon can we get a dev response plz?

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check my post above theres ur response, in case u want it again,
linky:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=846799


edit: added it to sig too :D

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im not gonna let it rest until they respond in THIS thread to THESE issues.

why citadel torpedo's do zero dps in almost all fleet engagements. the rest is gravy, but citdael torpedo's vulnerability to smartbombs is an issue that MUST be addressed

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Originally by: Vily

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Originally by: BiggestT

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Edited by: BiggestT on 18/08/2008 13:27:52

Originally by: white kight

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Back to the top. Cmon can we get a dev response plz?

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check my post above theres ur response, in case u want it again,
linky:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=846799

edit: added it to sig too :D

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im not gonna let it rest until they respond in THIS thread to THESE issues.

why citadel torpedo's do zero dps in almost all fleet engagements. the rest is gravy, but citdael torpedo's vulnerability to smartbombs is an issue that MUST be addressed

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Originally by: Lord Fitz

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Looking at the listed HP of Citadel torps, this should not be possible, but on the test server it is, so something is wrong, something with supposedly over 2300 HP is being brought down by 600 damage. You only need 2 smartbombs to do it, you should need at least 5.

The pre/post siege thing, unfortunately that was an exploit fix. I remember the good old days when you used to be able to drive a phoenix or three outside a POS shield, let off 3 volleys, re-enter the POS shield and hit siege, with torps doing full siege damage, and your phoenix's able to insta pop another dread (pre HP boost) while immune to repercussions. Mind you at that point POS's were a little more nasty to small ships, so it wasn't as easy to be tackled on your way out and back in.

I can't think of any good way to fix that, you shouldn't be letting them off pre-siege, and expecting anything (maybe at most normal damage though this may be harder to calculate), and post-siege again, yep, you lose damage, one reason I guess to not single cycle siege, risk/reward etc etc.

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Originally by: Sir Substance

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no you cant get a dev response. sit down in the corner like a little kid. you really think your thread will get more or less attention from devs because you ask for it in the title? if anything, they will avoid it, just to spite you for thinking you are important enough that they should come running because you ask.

pah!

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Originally by: white kight

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WOW that sucks. CCP don't think that Cit. Torps are broken.........They obviously have never looked at the killmails that we post, EVERY SINGLE ONE WITH PHOENIX'S/NALFALGARS NEAR OR AT THE BOTTOM BECAUSE OUR FING TORPS GET BLOWN UP!!!!!!!!! Thank CCP for allowing me to train for something that doesn't even work properly, 4 bil later and still nothing has been changed. Cheers for that. The Phoenix in terms of all the other dreads is shit at the end of the day. It tanks the least, and does the least amount of damage on another capital than any other dread, or most battleships for that matter. CCP need to look at this instead of them trying to say that they are right all the time and never make a mistake.

/rant

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Originally by: Sheriff Jones

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Wrangler: Hello and w

*ding ding!*

Wrangler: ...damn nanowhiners...*goes back to reading*

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