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Vily
Amarr
Eternity INC.
Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.05.18 17:32:00 -
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Edited by: Vily on 18/05/2008 17:32:22
Would there be any chance that you could take a look at the Hp of Citadel Torpedo's?
in their current form they are destroyed by smartbombs to the point where a pheonix does zero dps against carriers/moms/titans if they are running the standard smartbomb fits.
defenders dont work anyways, so i dont see any negative reprecussions save for putting the pheonix, (which would still be below average as a dread because of lack of instant dps) just a tad below the other dreadnaughts rather than massively inferior
I think this an issue that is almsot always missed or ignored and it would be appreciated if someone could take a look at it.
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Akira Miyamoto
Caldari
The Illuminati.
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.05.18 18:09:00 -
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I think this is an issue as well. If a carrier is fitting enough smartbombs, it can tank infinite amount of phoenixes. I'd see a hp boost to allow citadel torpedo to survive after 2 smartbomb hits already improving the situation.
In short, /signed.
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Life Machine
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.05.18 21:12:00 -
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it'll take a lot more than 2 smartbombs to make it better.
Make it 3 or 4, so that they can decide to either take one out for sure and reduce the dps by a third, or risk taking out 66% with less chance of doing it...
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Relyen
Caldari
Digital Fury Corporation
Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2008.05.19 00:39:00 -
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Another issue with Citadel torps.
If you fire any torp before entering Siege mode, and then enter siege mode, any torps you fired do absolutely no damage what so ever. If you fire a torp in siege mode and then it ends, the torp that you fired in siege mode does absolutely no damage.
Consider it can take 30 seconds to nearly 2 minutes for a citadel torp to hit it's target, can we get this fixed please? Because depending on how far away the dread is from their target, they are losing that much time of their siege cycle.
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Lenaria
Caldari
Ursa Ritor
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Posted - 2008.05.19 00:48:00 -
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Edited by: Lenaria on 19/05/2008 00:48:27
Faction citadel torps... one of devs promised to fix this 5-sec issue 6! months ago...
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Gamesguy
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.19 10:38:00 -
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Carriers dont damage other carriers(besides sentry drones) very efficiently when standard smartbomb fits are use either.
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Vily
Amarr
Eternity INC.
Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.05.19 21:32:00 -
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thats true, but they do do SOME damage, and thats carrier class, not DREADNAUGHT class.
all the toher dreads do fine save the phoenix
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Vily
Amarr
Eternity INC.
Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.05.21 04:13:00 -
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how do i get some traction of getting anything done?
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.05.21 04:24:00 -
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they are called Citadel Torpedo's... they should be stronger.
of crouse if they fixxed the way smartbombs work this wouldn't be an issue as the ship is too big to protect it's self with such a small AOE.
but still it should laugh at smartbombs, it's a dread.
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2008.05.21 04:29:00 -
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So much wrong with citadel torps it isn't even funny.
/signed for sure.
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Vily
Eternity INC.
Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.05.23 03:53:00 -
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well if we are on the issue, the simple fact that the pheonix needs a master buff could be addressed too.
but between,
1) hardest to fit dread cpu wise
2) only time delay dmg dread
3) shield tanks vs. armor tank prevelancy and accompanying remote reps
4) CITADEL TORPEDOS GETTING OWNED BY SMARTBOMBS.
5) pre-siege torpedo's dissappearing
6) post-siege torpedo's dissappearing
7) only dread with damage type related bonus
would be nice if i could get some motion on just one part of that problem
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Koyama Ise
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.23 10:36:00 -
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 Originally by: Vily
2) only time delay dmg dread
Yes and no don't forget the Naglfar which uses 2 citadel torps.
Originally by: Vily
7) only dread with damage type related bonus
I believe you haven't met Revelation. Say hi to Revelation he only get's a damage bonus to EM and Thermal.
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Irsy
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Posted - 2008.05.23 12:12:00 -
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/Signed.
I understand that instant damage impossible in case general missile concept, and kinetic bonus is racial for caldari.. It's ok. But, please do topdepoes a little bit stronger and fix siege mode issues.
You should do something with citadel's hp at least!
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Jason Edwards
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Posted - 2008.05.23 13:33:00 -
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Ya I just poked my nose into EFT for how I'd fit and 5% cpu implant would be necessary. I'd really hate to have to figure out what I'd be dropping to fit it.
Smartbombs being used to destroy citadels is kind of bad. Also explains why the one naglfar sat there with smart bombs completely immune to taking loads of dmg.
I wonder if my cruise missles were hitting or not. I generally dont pay attention to those messages.
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Vily
Eternity INC.
Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.05.24 06:41:00 -
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Originally by: Koyama Ise
Originally by: Vily
2) only time delay dmg dread
Yes and no don't forget the Naglfar which uses 2 citadel torps.
Originally by: Vily
7) only dread with damage type related bonus
I believe you haven't met Revelation. Say hi to Revelation he only get's a damage bonus to EM and Thermal.
yes but the revelations damage bonus is to its weapon type, not to a damage type
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Vily
Eternity INC.
Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.05.29 04:19:00 -
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caldari dread pilots, refuse to be below average!!!
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Aurix Lexico
Slacker Industries
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.05.29 11:15:00 -
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You caldari dread pilots must have it so hard. You want to talk about below average? Look at the naglfar.
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Emperor D'Hoffryn
No Quarter.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.05.29 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Vily
Originally by: Koyama Ise
Originally by: Vily
2) only time delay dmg dread
Yes and no don't forget the Naglfar which uses 2 citadel torps.
Originally by: Vily
7) only dread with damage type related bonus
I believe you haven't met Revelation. Say hi to Revelation he only get's a damage bonus to EM and Thermal.
yes but the revelations damage bonus is to its weapon type, not to a damage type
missiles are not a caldari weapon system, all races have ships that are designed to use missiles. Therefore, caldari racial damage type is enforced using the kinetic damage bonus. Lasers are amarr only, due to fitting and cap use. Therefore, racial damage type is enforced bu the weapons system inability to do any other damage type besides em and thermal. Amarr ships that use missiles get EM missile damage bonuses, besides the sac which is like the raven.
Having said that, citadel torps need to have more HP, and torps shot before and after siege cycles need to work. A little fitting love would be nice for the pheonix as well. The kinetic bonus is fine, as the REV can ONLY ever do em and therm, the phoenix can at least switch if it wanted to, which sometimes might give it more damage depending on the target.
Originally by: Meridius Dex
I could actually fit a Thorax WITH LASERS and get better DPS, better speed, better tank and - wait for it - better cap stability
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.05.30 00:53:00 -
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This is actually quite a big issue in capital on capital warfare. Quite disturbing to be in an awesome cap vs cap battle and realize on every killmail you are in a Phoenix doing 0 damage.
Cit torps should never be shot down by smartbombs, if you by the good grace of god actually got cit torps to hit another capital ship then you deserve to do some damage.
Originally by: CCP Casqade
Please refrain from making assumptions on game mechanics and then presenting them as facts before testing them yourself.
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Vily
Eternity INC.
Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.05.31 05:36:00 -
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Originally by: Vaal Erit
This is actually quite a big issue in capital on capital warfare. Quite disturbing to be in an awesome cap vs cap battle and realize on every killmail you are in a Phoenix doing 0 damage.
Cit torps should never be shot down by smartbombs, if you by the good grace of god actually got cit torps to hit another capital ship then you deserve to do some damage.
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Relyen
Digital Fury Corporation
Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2008.06.02 15:30:00 -
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Edited by: Relyen on 02/06/2008 15:31:09
Originally by: Vaal Erit
This is actually quite a big issue in capital on capital warfare. Quite disturbing to be in an awesome cap vs cap battle and realize on every killmail you are in a Phoenix doing 0 damage.
Cit torps should never be shot down by smartbombs, if you by the good grace of god actually got cit torps to hit another capital ship then you deserve to do some damage.
QFT
Edit: Would like to hear Dev thoughts on this issue.
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2008.06.02 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Vaal Erit
This is actually quite a big issue in capital on capital warfare. Quite disturbing to be in an awesome cap vs cap battle and realize on every killmail you are in a Phoenix doing 0 damage.
Cit torps should never be shot down by smartbombs, if you by the good grace of god actually got cit torps to hit another capital ship then you deserve to do some damage.
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Bronson Hughes
The. Conspiracy
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Posted - 2008.06.02 20:39:00 -
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Edited by: Bronson Hughes on 02/06/2008 20:39:50
Originally by: Vily
well if we are on the issue, the simple fact that the pheonix needs a master buff could be addressed too.
but between,
1) hardest to fit dread cpu wise
2) only time delay dmg dread
3) shield tanks vs. armor tank prevelancy and accompanying remote reps
4) CITADEL TORPEDOS GETTING OWNED BY SMARTBOMBS.
5) pre-siege torpedo's dissappearing
6) post-siege torpedo's dissappearing
7) only dread with damage type related bonus
would be nice if i could get some motion on just one part of that problem
1)-3) aren't really issues that need to be fixed so much as they are properties of Caldari ships in general.
4)-6) should be addressed ASAP.
7) is a non-issue; it's the only Dread with two damage bonuses to the same weapon system. Don't forget about that 5% RoF bonus that it has in addition to it's 5% Kinetic Missile damage. No fixing needed.
EDIT: Forgot to quote. Clarity FTW.
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Zeveron
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.03 07:04:00 -
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/signed
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Verite Rendition
F.R.E.E. Explorer
Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.06.03 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: Vaal Erit
This is actually quite a big issue in capital on capital warfare. Quite disturbing to be in an awesome cap vs cap battle and realize on every killmail you are in a Phoenix doing 0 damage.
Cit torps should never be shot down by smartbombs, if you by the good grace of god actually got cit torps to hit another capital ship then you deserve to do some damage.
/signed
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Sarin Adler
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Posted - 2008.06.03 13:03:00 -
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May I suggest you to open a thread about this in the "Assembly hall" forum? As a future Phoenix pilot I sign this anyway.
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white kight
SwEaTy ArMpIT RaIDeRs
R-I-P
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Posted - 2008.06.03 13:43:00 -
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As a fellow Phoenix pilot i feel your pain. The Phoenix is currently well below ever other dread in terms of their effectiveness. A couple of well timed smartbombs can make sure a phoenix will neve hit its target. Someone mentioned about the Nafalgar having 2 missile slots for citadels as well, that is true but it also can fit more than 1 gun, meaning that it has instant dps instead of the time delayed one. The moros is an overpowered solo pwn machine. With its insane drone damage bonus and the fact its guns can actually hit a battleship with some force (unlike the citadel's) its the best of the dreads. The Revelation i would say is the most balanced dread. Its got the advantage or crystals that hardly ever run out, although it is limited to damage types, it has a hell of a tank as well. The nalfalgar is also pretty balanced in terms of dps and tank, however the phoenix is miles behind on tank and dps compared to the other dreads, especially if coming up against smartbomb fitted caps. Please give the Phoenix some love CCP. Also PLEEEEEEESE can we have our faction torps, ever other type of ammo has faction XL except for the faction citadels.
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Straight Chillen
Solar Wind
Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2008.06.03 14:51:00 -
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/signed
this would actually make the citadel torp batteries for POS' actually worth a damn
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2008.06.03 15:46:00 -
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I agree, raise this issue in the assembly hall.
Do not cast it as a 'phoenix issue' but rather a 'citadel torp issue'. It affects the Nalfgar as well.
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Dristra
Shadows of the Dead
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.06.03 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Koyama Ise
Originally by: Vily
2) only time delay dmg dread
Yes and no don't forget the Naglfar which uses 2 citadel torps.
Originally by: Vily
7) only dread with damage type related bonus
I believe you haven't met Revelation. Say hi to Revelation he only get's a damage bonus to EM and Thermal.
This.
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