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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.05.19 04:58:00 -
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At least I think it is over... or if not, it should soon be over.
So... *ahem*... who "won" ?
Not like you have to count votes or anything, they were expressed "electronically", so as soon as the polls are closed, the results should be ready.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.05.19 04:58:00 -
[2]
At least I think it is over... or if not, it should soon be over.
So... *ahem*... who "won" ?
Not like you have to count votes or anything, they were expressed "electronically", so as soon as the polls are closed, the results should be ready.
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Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2008.05.19 05:33:00 -
[3]
Seriously, where's the devblog
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.05.19 05:36:00 -
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According to the time line, result should be published Wednesday.
I'm so excited 
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Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2008.05.19 05:54:00 -
[5]
 Originally by: LaVista Vista
Edited by: LaVista Vista on 19/05/2008 05:38:25
According to the time line, result should be published Wednesday.
I'm so excited
EDIT: I guess the reason they are making is wait, is to make sure everything is as it's supposed to be. Though I do agree that it's very simple to just pull the data(Just make a query which groups all votes, and just take the first 9 candidates, ordered by the sum of all votes).
But CCP is a corporation. Corporations are by definition, ineffective at small tasks like this 
Xhagen is at a loss for words trying to explain how so few people voted and rationalize why CCP should waste their time doing this again. I'm going to guess no more than 30% of the players voted.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.05.19 05:56:00 -
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Polls, polls ! Let's pay blackjack-a-ballot 
I'm betting.... 38572 votes total !
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Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2008.05.19 06:04:00 -
[7]
Edited by: Erotic Irony on 19/05/2008 06:04:06
Originally by: Akita T
Polls, polls ! Let's pay blackjack-a-ballot
I'm betting.... 38572 votes total !
didn't want that CSM anyway
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Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.19 06:31:00 -
[8]
At a guess, CCP could be notifying the winning candidates in advance of the public announcement, as they did for all successful applicants prior to the release of the candidate list.
/Ben
Ben Derindar: Eve CSM candidate
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zoolkhan
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Fate Weavers
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Posted - 2008.05.19 06:31:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
At least I think it is over... or if not, it should soon be over.
So... *ahem*... who "won" ?
the voters 
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zoolkhan
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Fate Weavers
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Posted - 2008.05.19 06:33:00 -
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Originally by: Ben Derindar
At a guess, CCP could be notifying the winning candidates in advance of the public announcement, as they did for all successful applicants prior to the release of the candidate list.
/Ben
actually, i had not have a confirmatuion that my application would be accepted until the candidates list was published....
not sure where you got that idea from :)
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Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.19 06:43:00 -
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Originally by: zoolkhan
Originally by: Ben Derindar
At a guess, CCP could be notifying the winning candidates in advance of the public announcement, as they did for all successful applicants prior to the release of the candidate list.
actually, i had not have a confirmatuion that my application would be accepted until the candidates list was published....
not sure where you got that idea from :)
Well, I was told the day before the dev blog was published, and I saw several others quoting Xhagen's application stats pre-blog as well, so... *shrug*
/Ben
Ben Derindar: Eve CSM candidate
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Delictum 23216
San Matari.
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Posted - 2008.05.19 06:45:00 -
[12]
D'ya think candidates can request recounts?
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Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution
Ministry of Information
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Posted - 2008.05.19 06:46:00 -
[13]
Wednesday to release the results isn't too bad. They will need to be preparing their press-releases as well, as I'm sure it won't simply be a matter of releasing the results, but also sending information out to the RL press about the winning candidates.
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Sariyah
HUN Corp.
HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2008.05.19 06:51:00 -
[14]
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
D'ya think candidates can request recounts?
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.05.19 06:57:00 -
[15]
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
D'ya think candidates can request recounts?
I'd go for the revote 
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Ishina Fel
Caldari
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.05.19 07:29:00 -
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The voting booth is still open at the moment... I'd wager it closes after downtime, or in the evening (after all, voting was unlocked Monday evening two weeks ago, IIRC).
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.05.19 07:30:00 -
[17]
I believe Xhagen announced the vote would indeed close at midnight.
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Semkhet
Spartan Industries
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.05.19 07:31:00 -
[18]
Originally by: Erotic Irony
Xhagen is at a loss for words trying to explain how so few people voted and rationalize why CCP should waste their time doing this again. I'm going to guess no more than 30% of the players voted.
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that technically speaking, there was no need to come with all this PR crap & relying on "representatives" to start with.
If CCP was genuinely interested in consulting player's opinions about specific subjects, they just had to implement polls. Then that only concerned players vote is no different than what happens in any democracy.
Hence the bottom line is, if you make things complicated when it could all remain crystal simple, there's a good reason for it which might have very little to do with the substance of the matter supposedly at hand...
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.05.19 07:58:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Polls, polls ! Let's pay blackjack-a-ballot
I'm betting.... 38572 votes total !
Okay I'll bet 28121 votes. If true they really need to relook the 5% rule though.
Can't wait for the results and can't wait to get started with the real work, even if I'm not elected I'll still keep myself busy in the CSM forum
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ShootBlues
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.05.19 08:03:00 -
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Edited by: ShootBlues on 19/05/2008 08:03:20
Originally by: Semkhet
Originally by: Erotic Irony
Xhagen is at a loss for words trying to explain how so few people voted and rationalize why CCP should waste their time doing this again. I'm going to guess no more than 30% of the players voted.
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that technically speaking, there was no need to come with all this PR crap & relying on "representatives" to start with.
If CCP was genuinely interested in consulting player's opinions about specific subjects, they just had to implement polls. Then that only concerned players vote is no different than what happens in any democracy.
Hence the bottom line is, if you make things complicated when it could all remain crystal simple, there's a good reason for it which might have very little to do with the substance of the matter supposedly at hand...
The big flaw in this is that most of the people who play this game don't fully understand a lot of the mechanics and reasons behind changes. So you would get a stampede of idiots voting to ban high-sec suicide ganking and other trivial crap. Even though hypothetically if this was the case, I imagine CCP would obviously only put issues they want to a poll. Which isn't much better than the current state, and doesn't provide any real sensible way to discuss and develop ideas.
Your idea of how they should poll is like abolishing local and state governments and have a only a federal government run and entire country.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2008.05.19 08:35:00 -
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We need an Eve version of Peter Snow to entertain us with his Swingometer.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution
Ministry of Information
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Posted - 2008.05.19 08:55:00 -
[22]
I'll be interested to see the distribution of votes when plotted against the sequential order of the voting application form. 
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Inanna Zuni
Minmatar
The Causality
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.05.19 08:57:00 -
[23]
To those asking for a recount: CSM elections are planned to take place every six months ;-0
To those who have voted for me: Thank you!
To those who voted for other candidates: Thank you!
To those who think this won't work: Shame on you for not having confidence in anyone, including yourself! Just as with PvP, if you don't try you can't succeed; if you go into a fight thinking you will lose you will do just that.
To the other candidates: Good luck and may the best representatives win ;-P
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Ryoji Tanakama
Caldari
Daikoku Fleet Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.05.19 09:24:00 -
[24]
Originally by: Erotic Irony
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Edited by: LaVista Vista on 19/05/2008 05:38:25
According to the time line, result should be published Wednesday.
I'm so excited
EDIT: I guess the reason they are making is wait, is to make sure everything is as it's supposed to be. Though I do agree that it's very simple to just pull the data(Just make a query which groups all votes, and just take the first 9 candidates, ordered by the sum of all votes).
But CCP is a corporation. Corporations are by definition, ineffective at small tasks like this
Xhagen is at a loss for words trying to explain how so few people voted and rationalize why CCP should waste their time doing this again. I'm going to guess no more than 30% of the players voted.
About the same turnout as a general election then! :)
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.05.19 09:41:00 -
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Originally by: Ryoji Tanakama
About the same turnout as a general election then! :)
Yeah. I would be very much surprised though, if 30% voted. It's hard to say really.
There could easily be a 30% turnout, but I have my doubts.
As earlier stated in another thread, I will be positively surprised if we get a 15-20% turnout. 10 sounds fairly reasonable. But if all major alliances vote, we could probably reach 20%
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Sariyah
HUN Corp.
HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2008.05.19 10:15:00 -
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Originally by: Semkhet
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that technically speaking, there was no need to come with all this PR crap & relying on "representatives" to start with.
If CCP was genuinely interested in consulting player's opinions about specific subjects, they just had to implement polls. Then that only concerned players vote is no different than what happens in any democracy.
Hence the bottom line is, if you make things complicated when it could all remain crystal simple, there's a good reason for it which might have very little to do with the substance of the matter supposedly at hand...
Then I assume you were one of those who abstained anyway.
Don't always try to find the bad things. Truth is I was surprised by this initiative and I think it's a very interesting and good one. Don't think any other MMO has this tbh, but maybe I'm too pessimistic so I'd be glad if you could prove me wrong.
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Omber Zombie
Gallente
Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2008.05.19 10:15:00 -
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should have done it aussie style - everyone has to vote, even if it's to abstain.
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Semkhet
Spartan Industries
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.05.19 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: ShootBlues
The big flaw in this is that most of the people who play this game don't fully understand a lot of the mechanics and reasons behind changes. So you would get a stampede of idiots voting to ban high-sec suicide ganking and other trivial crap. Even though hypothetically if this was the case, I imagine CCP would obviously only put issues they want to a poll. Which isn't much better than the current state, and doesn't provide any real sensible way to discuss and develop ideas.
Your idea of how they should poll is like abolishing local and state governments and have a only a federal government run and entire country.
Nope. Any system which defers authority to elected "representatives" simply translates into giving free hand to a reduced number of individuals who each aim for said positions (and the linked power) for a number of reasons which might have little to do with the general interest of the people who voted for them.
Hell, RL politics are the best example. Much talk of democracy everywhere, but why don't you stop thinking how is it possible that in the Digital Era, we still have to elect representatives when it is so simple to implement direct polls ? Because politics = $$$ and a lot of people benefits directly or indirectly. Direct democracy shortcircuit a fair share of businesses depending from lobbying.
That's why all so-called democracies function under the concept of "representative democracy", with the sole exception of Switzerland, which is the only country having the balls to actually really implement both a direct democracy and a rotation system for the highest public servant positions in order to prevent any kind of power grabbing and the ensuing classical abuses you can witness everywhere.
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Semkhet
Spartan Industries
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.05.19 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: Sariyah
Then I assume you were one of those who abstained anyway.
Don't always try to find the bad things. Truth is I was surprised by this initiative and I think it's a very interesting and good one. Don't think any other MMO has this tbh, but maybe I'm too pessimistic so I'd be glad if you could prove me wrong.
Wrong. I do act under the (neutral) assumption that this initiative is genuine hence did vote Jade with all my accounts because she seems to concur in my specific areas of interest.
That said, I've spent too much time interacting in RL with politicians to hold any illusion about the intricacies & finality of the whole exercise.
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Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution
Ministry of Information
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Posted - 2008.05.19 10:52:00 -
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Originally by: Omber Zombie
should have done it aussie style - everyone has to vote, even if it's to abstain.
I agree, although I'm possibly slightly biased being a fellow Aussie.
The only problem with that system was the fine was AUD$50 if you didn't vote, so when I was travelling during election time, I used to pay my brother AUD$50 to go vote on my behalf to save the fine and the hassle of postal voting.
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Semkhet
Spartan Industries
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.05.19 11:01:00 -
[31]
Originally by: Serenity Steele
Originally by: Omber Zombie
should have done it aussie style - everyone has to vote, even if it's to abstain.
I agree, although I'm possibly slightly biased being a fellow Aussie.
The only problem with that system was the fine was AUD$50 if you didn't vote, so when I was travelling during election time, I used to pay my brother AUD$50 to go vote on my behalf to save the fine and the hassle of postal voting.
Retorsion against potential non voters simply translates into increasing the number of registered votes at the price of the pertinence of the voting results since ppl end voting out of their butts. There are a number of countries which indeed implement fines if you don't go to vote and control carefully the ID of the voter. Argentina is one of them IIRC. Unfortunately this concept doesn't solve the problems of political corruption by a single iota...
After all, humans are humans, and when you tempt the devil, well, that's what you get in return
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ShootBlues
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.05.19 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Semkhet
Originally by: Serenity Steele
Originally by: Omber Zombie
should have done it aussie style - everyone has to vote, even if it's to abstain.
I agree, although I'm possibly slightly biased being a fellow Aussie.
The only problem with that system was the fine was AUD$50 if you didn't vote, so when I was travelling during election time, I used to pay my brother AUD$50 to go vote on my behalf to save the fine and the hassle of postal voting.
Retorsion against potential non voters simply translates into increasing the number of registered votes at the price of the pertinence of the voting results since ppl end voting out of their butts. There are a number of countries which indeed implement fines if you don't go to vote and control carefully the ID of the voter. Argentina is one of them IIRC. Unfortunately this concept doesn't solve the problems of political corruption by a single iota...
After all, humans are humans, and when you tempt the devil, well, that's what you get in return
So, uh, how would you rather do it?
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Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution
Ministry of Information
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Posted - 2008.05.19 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Serenity Steele
Originally by: Omber Zombie
should have done it aussie style - everyone has to vote, even if it's to abstain.
I agree, although I'm possibly slightly biased being a fellow Aussie.
The only problem with that system was the fine was AUD$50 if you didn't vote, so when I was travelling during election time, I used to pay my brother AUD$50 to go vote on my behalf to save the fine and the hassle of postal voting.
Originally by: Semkhet
Retorsion against potential non voters simply translates into increasing the number of registered votes at the price of the pertinence of the voting results since ppl end voting out of their butts. There are a number of countries which indeed implement fines if you don't go to vote and control carefully the ID of the voter. Argentina is one of them IIRC. Unfortunately this concept doesn't solve the problems of political corruption by a single iota...
After all, humans are humans, and when you tempt the devil, well, that's what you get in return
You got any facts to back that up, or are you just stating an opinion?
I understand why the statements you make about RL politics, but IMO; I seriously wonder if all the reasons RL politics have evolved the way they do, are a relevant comparison for 'politics' within EVE.
Particularly given a representative council that;
- Does not have decision making power and only has recommendation power
- Is effectively volunteer
- Has limited ability to leverage RL value from participation
- Is in an MMO where the rules can be changed by CCP at anytime it's looking stodgey.
Hell, it's meant to increase efficiency of issues reaching CCP, not to provide a salary to politicians.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.05.19 13:33:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 19/05/2008 13:33:34
Originally by: Omber Zombie
should have done it aussie style - everyone has to vote, even if it's to abstain.
Wait... wait... you guys in Australia have an "abstain" option on the ballot, and everybody HAS to vote ?
YOU GUYS ROCK !
Seriously, it's like, THE only reasonable thing to do with an election
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Darius JOHNSON
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.19 14:21:00 -
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HANGING CHADS!! RL POLITICS! LET'S DEBATE THE FINER POINTS OF VARIOUS DEMOCRATIC SYSTEMS!
SWEDEN'S IS THE BEST!
AUSTRALIA'S IS THE BEST!
NO MINE IS!!!
RARRRRR RABBLE RABBLE NERD RAGE MY RIGHTS!
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Omber Zombie
Gallente
Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2008.05.19 14:33:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Darius JOHNSON
HANGING CHADS!! RL POLITICS! LET'S DEBATE THE FINER POINTS OF VARIOUS DEMOCRATIC SYSTEMS!
SWEDEN'S IS THE BEST!
AUSTRALIA'S IS THE BEST!
NO MINE IS!!!
RARRRRR RABBLE RABBLE NERD RAGE MY RIGHTS!
^^lmao
my point was that at least if we used a compulsory voting system, more people might actually have taken notice of this or become interested.
and as for the abstain option in the Aussie political system - there's not actual 'abstain' you can choose, but you can fill out a form incorrectly to make your vote not count. It's not illegal to do so and commonly referred to as a Donkey Vote.
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Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution
Ministry of Information
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Posted - 2008.05.19 14:36:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Omber Zombie
my point was that at least if we used a compulsory voting system, more people might actually have taken notice of this or become interested.
and as for the abstain option in the Aussie political system - there's not actual 'abstain' you can choose, but you can fill out a form incorrectly to make your vote not count. It's not illegal to do so and commonly referred to as a Donkey Vote.
Well there ya go, adding an abstain option would be an area to improve on existing RL systems 
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Goumindong
Amarr
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.19 14:37:00 -
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If you use a compulsory system the people who get involved because of it will be more likely to vote without consideration which will skew the results towards the people who like to blow sunshine up your ass.
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Omber Zombie
Gallente
Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2008.05.19 15:08:00 -
[39]
i like sunshine, i'm a carebear
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Avalira
Caldari
Pax Minor Expiscor Pario Addo
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Posted - 2008.05.19 17:09:00 -
[40]
BIG should hold a quick gamble to see who's the winner...
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CCP Xhagen
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Posted - 2008.05.19 17:27:00 -
[41]
There are just a little bit over 6 hours of voting time left.
I will inform all the candidates of the results before making them public, it should happen in less than 24 hours.
I did send an e-mail to all candidates when the processing was done, please make sure that your spam filters (like on yahoo.com or hotmail.com don't swallow the mails).
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BillyBong2
Amarr
COLD-Wing
The Fourth District
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Posted - 2008.05.19 17:42:00 -
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Good luck to all involved.
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Max Torps
Gallente
eXceed Inc.
eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.05.19 17:54:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Inanna Zuni
To those asking for a recount: CSM elections are planned to take place every six months ;-0
To those who have voted for me: Thank you!
To those who voted for other candidates: Thank you!
To those who think this won't work: Shame on you for not having confidence in anyone, including yourself! Just as with PvP, if you don't try you can't succeed; if you go into a fight thinking you will lose you will do just that.
To the other candidates: Good luck and may the best representatives win ;-P
IZ
I echo Innana's words. Good luck everyone and thank you to everyone who participated.
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TornSoul
BIG
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Posted - 2008.05.19 23:54:00 -
[44]
The number I'm most anxiously waiting for, even beating if I'll get elected or not, is the total number of votes cast...
Seeing the post read counts in this forum makes me worry a bit...
/fingers crossed (for a high total of votes cast)
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Proteus Doctorow
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.05.20 00:35:00 -
[45]
Ms. Zuni has my support for the CSM. Zuni is the best hope for anyone who feels that something more than a simple game exists inside this star cluster. As we all wait for results, it is my hope that whether or not Zuni has been elected, she will continue to fight for the concerns of her supporters.
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LaVista Vista
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.05.20 12:58:00 -
[46]
Originally by: CCP Xhagen
I will inform all the candidates of the results before making them public, it should happen in less than 24 hours.
You are keeping us waiting. I haven't gone to the toilet since you said that, as I'm just so excited, waiting for the result.
Don't keep me waiting *Does a funny move, looking towards the toilet*
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DasDizzy
Violent Vikings
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.20 12:59:00 -
[47]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: CCP Xhagen
I will inform all the candidates of the results before making them public, it should happen in less than 24 hours.
You are keeping us waiting. I haven't gone to the toilet since you said that, as I'm just so excited, waiting for the result.
Don't keep me waiting *Does a funny move, looking towards the toilet*
The laptops, use them.
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LaVista Vista
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.05.20 13:06:00 -
[48]
Originally by: DasDizzy
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: CCP Xhagen
I will inform all the candidates of the results before making them public, it should happen in less than 24 hours.
You are keeping us waiting. I haven't gone to the toilet since you said that, as I'm just so excited, waiting for the result.
Don't keep me waiting *Does a funny move, looking towards the toilet*
The laptops, use them.
That would require me to go grab my laptop
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Omber Zombie
Gallente
Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2008.05.20 13:34:00 -
[49]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
That would require me to go grab my laptop
probably better for your health than what you are grabbing at the moment
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.05.20 13:41:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 19/05/2008 08:17:55
Polls, polls ! Let's pay blackjack-a-ballot
I'm betting.... 38572 votes total !
Not-so-stealth edit : make that non-abstain votes.
I make it 25278.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.05.20 13:46:00 -
[51]
Originally by: ShootBlues
Your idea of how they should poll is like abolishing local and state governments and have a only a federal government run and entire country.
A bit USA centric. Most of the rest of the world live with only 1 level of government with true powers. Regional governments in other countries are very different from state government in the USA.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.05.20 15:57:00 -
[52]
Tick tock.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Avalira
Caldari
Pax Minor Expiscor Pario Addo
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Posted - 2008.05.20 16:06:00 -
[53]
Just got an email from CCP, the results can be seen here:
http://www.eve-online.com/CSM/results.asp
Note: the above won't work for those with the Firefox linkification plugin.
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LaVista Vista
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.05.20 16:07:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Avalira
Just got an email from CCP, the results can be seen here:
http://www.eve-online.com/CSM/results.asp
Note: the above won't work for those with the Firefox linkification plugin.
I c whut U did thar
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Avalira
Caldari
Pax Minor Expiscor Pario Addo
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Posted - 2008.05.20 16:13:00 -
[55]
Edited by: Avalira on 20/05/2008 16:17:17
hehe, just feel like pulling people's legs while I can. Mind you I almost made that a rickroll but opted for something more evil .
Edit: being bored I went for the double wammy .
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.05.20 18:58:00 -
[56]
You guys forget about alts or something.
60k votes. I will bet 60k.
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Kolmogorow
Freedom Resources
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Posted - 2008.05.20 21:44:00 -
[57]
Hidden reserve of minimum votes (something like 500 or so) not met, election invalid ... I guess ...
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.05.20 22:02:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Kolmogorow
Hidden reserve of minimum votes (something like 500 or so) not met, election invalid ... I guess ...
Sweeping a goon, let alone six of them, under a rug is a full days work.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Darius JOHNSON
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.20 22:58:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Originally by: Kolmogorow
Hidden reserve of minimum votes (something like 500 or so) not met, election invalid ... I guess ...
Sweeping a goon, let alone six of them, under a rug is a full days work.
Perhaps more than that
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Kayscha
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Posted - 2008.05.21 05:17:00 -
[60]
Originally by: CCP Xhagen
There are just a little bit over 6 hours of voting time left.
I will inform all the candidates of the results before making them public, it should happen in less than 24 hours.
I did send an e-mail to all candidates when the processing was done, please make sure that your spam filters (like on yahoo.com or hotmail.com don't swallow the mails).
Well...? Time's up, I should think, and I was really looking forward to the results before starting this endless work day where a web filter blocks my access to this site :O
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.05.21 05:35:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Kayscha
Well...? Time's up, I should think, and I was really looking forward to the results before starting this endless work day where a web filter blocks my access to this site :O
I guess the public will be informed after DT. You know, Icelandic people sleep too(). It's 05.34 over there now  .
I'm so excited to see the outcome.
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Dani Leone
Gallente
A Dark Cloud
Unaffiliated
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Posted - 2008.05.21 08:06:00 -
[62]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Kayscha
Well...? Time's up, I should think, and I was really looking forward to the results before starting this endless work day where a web filter blocks my access to this site :O
I guess the public will be informed after DT. You know, Icelandic people sleep too(). It's 05.34 over there now .
I'm so excited to see the outcome.
Same here, lets hope that the ballot boxes haven't been moved to a 'secure' location whilst a selected recount takes place
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.05.21 08:22:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Dani Leone
Same here, lets hope that the ballot boxes haven't been moved to a 'secure' location whilst a selected recount takes place
I guess it's located in one of Prism X's secure containers.
The question is, is it a small or giant secure container?
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Jinx Barker
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2008.05.21 08:26:00 -
[64]
I demand a recount...
Oh.. wait.... this is not Florida... nm.....
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2008.05.21 10:56:00 -
[65]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Dani Leone
Same here, lets hope that the ballot boxes haven't been moved to a 'secure' location whilst a selected recount takes place
I guess it's located in one of Prism X's secure containers.
The question is, is it a small or giant secure container?
Secure container? We are discussing an election here are we not? Why would you need security for an electoral process?
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Inanna Zuni
The Causality
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.05.21 12:10:00 -
[66]
OK .. which pilot got the job to transport the sealed containers (so beloved of courier agents) to election HQ? And who gatecamped you en route?
:: waits (im)patiently ::
IZ
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.05.21 15:07:00 -
[67]
So, how did that gallente election pan out again?
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Darius JOHNSON
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.21 15:33:00 -
[68]
I imagine they'll be released any minute now. CCP seems to get things out during my lunch break.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.05.21 15:36:00 -
[69]
Yeah. I believe the voting started at around 16.00. So I personally expect the announcement inside the next.. 8+ hour(Midnight, GMT )
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Mr Horizontal
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.21 15:41:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Darius JOHNSON
I imagine they'll be released any minute now. CCP seems to get things out during my lunch break.
Either that or they're taking a page out of the Zimbabwean electoral commission's process handbook.
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Hardin
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.21 15:52:00 -
[71]
If it was like Zimbabwe we would have to have a run-off!
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Goumindong
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.21 15:54:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Hardin
If it was like Zimbabwe we would have to have a run-off!
Whomever runs the fastest we don't off?
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Inanna Zuni
The Causality
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.05.21 16:26:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Goumindong
Originally by: Hardin
If it was like Zimbabwe we would have to have a run-off!
Whomever runs the fastest we don't off?
/me climbs into my Republic Firetail and waits for the lights to change ...
IZ
ps. glad to see correct grammar there G ;-P
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Breha Organa
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Posted - 2008.05.21 16:33:00 -
[74]
I can just see it now...
"Due to an unexplained spatial anomoly...."
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zoolkhan
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
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Posted - 2008.05.21 16:39:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Inanna Zuni
/me climbs into my Republic Firetail and waits for the lights to change ...
AHA! Tax payed vehicle with driver i assume!
I still fly my volkswagen vigil, with frontspoiler
recruiting -forum
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Inanna Zuni
The Causality
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.05.21 16:58:00 -
[76]
Edited by: Inanna Zuni on 21/05/2008 16:59:47
Originally by: zoolkhan
Originally by: Inanna Zuni
/me climbs into my Republic Firetail and waits for the lights to change ...
AHA! Tax payed vehicle with driver i assume!
Mais non! I paid for the blueprint and manufacturing myself (I even mined the minerals), albeit partly with rewards for killing rats and Amarr that Fleet asked me to remove from the galaxy. I also love piloting my own ships too much to let someone else take the controls from me ...
;-P
IZ
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.21 17:05:00 -
[77]
Getting exciting now 
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Avalira
Pax Minor Expiscor Pario Addo
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Posted - 2008.05.21 17:12:00 -
[78]
Cmon CCP, it's about time to get the results out! 
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Peri Stark
Blue Labs
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.21 17:32:00 -
[79]
Edited by: Peri Stark on 21/05/2008 17:34:35
Maybe it will be like the Gallente president election and we will find out early next year.
They ment June 09
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Bunyip
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.05.21 17:44:00 -
[80]
Hello all,
I for one have been waiting with baited breath, as I'm sure the other 63 candidates have as well. It's like a marathon runner who had a photo finish and was awaiting the judgement from the officials. Yes, there is going to be some minor scuffles, but I think the candidates have done well to keep their cool.
At least the devs could give us some idea of what's going on, and maybe an expected release date. This borders on cruelty to us who have worked so hard for the past couple of months to achieve the turnout we did.
-Bunyip
"May all your hits be crits." - Knights of the Dinner Table.
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Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution
Ministry of Information
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Posted - 2008.05.21 17:46:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Bunyip
...This borders on cruelty to us who have worked so hard for the past couple of months to achieve the turnout we did...
Just picked on the line and had to laugh .. that's New Eden for you!
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b0ksah
Nomads
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.05.21 17:53:00 -
[82]
The Chaplain updates the news portals every 4th sec.
"Maybe if I did a rain dance the result would rain down appond us"
The Chaplain starts to dance
Vote For Me Because ... You Can !!
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.05.21 18:12:00 -
[83]
Judging from the email I got back from Xhagen when I mailed him, the announcement is under review for spelling mistakes at present. So I think it should be there inside 6 hours
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Wu Jiun
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.21 18:13:00 -
[84]
Checked today morning if the results are out and thought all the workday "when you're home it'll be right there". meh.
I hope Xhagen works overtime otherwise i'll guess we have to wait until tomorrow. Workday is over in iceland too, isnt it?
*goes back to reloading the forums and devblogs every 5 minutes*
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Breha Organa
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Posted - 2008.05.21 18:19:00 -
[85]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Judging from the email I got back from Xhagen when I mailed him, the announcement is under review for spelling mistakes at present. So I think it should be there inside 6 hours
I'd be happy to review it for spelling mistaks. *grin*
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Antiquus Inflatio
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Posted - 2008.05.21 18:22:00 -
[86]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Judging from the email I got back from Xhagen when I mailed him, the announcement is under review for spelling mistakes at present. So I think it should be there inside 6 hours
CCP meeting: The election is over. Any suggestions for what we should do next?
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Darius JOHNSON
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.21 18:23:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Antiquus Inflatio
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Judging from the email I got back from Xhagen when I mailed him, the announcement is under review for spelling mistakes at present. So I think it should be there inside 6 hours
CCP meeting: The election is over. Any suggestions for what we should do next?
We should first form a committee to discuss it. Then we'll release it to the public and form a committee to decide how to deal with the fallout.
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MongWen
Farmer Killers
United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2008.05.21 18:37:00 -
[88]
grats to the 9 that got a seat, and the 5 alts that are in reserve.
sadly i didnt make it, and i wish the 14 that did good luck (you guys will need it). and i will voice my opinions in the CSM forums regardless
(just for the record i plased 22 of 63)
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manasi
Ceptacemia
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.05.21 18:38:00 -
[89]
Well FFS I mean come on they hype it and hype it and hype it ..give us a date and them...nothing? Lavista et all I do NOT envy what you will have to deal with if this is an indication of things to come. "bureaucracies" are things put in place to slow down dissemination of information, I hope all you folks are able to cut through it all? Isn't there a meeting in 3 days?
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Max Torps
eXceed Inc.
eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.05.21 18:48:00 -
[90]
Gratz to the lucky 9 and the 5 stand bys./ Alas, I did not make it in on this occasion. Thank you all who voted for me. I hope the next CSM election has a bigger voting turnout than the inaugural one.
To the successful candidates, again I congratulate you. Please do a good job for all of the players of Eve.
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2008.05.21 18:48:00 -
[91]
They won
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Dierdra Vaal
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.05.21 18:57:00 -
[92]
hehe I think they accidentally output the alliance ID instead of the name.
:oops:
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Venkul Mul
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Posted - 2008.05.21 19:06:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 19/05/2008 08:17:55
Polls, polls ! Let's pay blackjack-a-ballot
I'm betting.... 38572 votes total !
Not-so-stealth edit : make that non-abstain votes.
I make it 25278.
Quote:
There were 24,651 votes cast out of a pool of 222,422 eligible voters, amassing a turnout of 11.08%. Of the total votes cast, 869 voters (3.5%) chose to abstain.
Would really have preferred to err as too low.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.05.21 20:02:00 -
[94]
Originally by: DevBlog
There were 24,651 votes cast out of a pool of 222,422 eligible voters, amassing a turnout of 11.08%. Of the total votes cast, 869 voters (3.5%) chose to abstain.
Dammit So only 23,782 non-abstain votes 
Every last one of us "busted" (went over the total). Dang.
Dissapointing, TBQFH.
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Admiral Nova
Strike Team Nova
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Posted - 2008.05.21 20:38:00 -
[95]
Less than 0.028% of members votes were required to elect a CSM member, I'm not sure what the CSM is representative of, but it doesn't look like it represents the players. The elected members represent less than 5% of accounts total.
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Papa Ina
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.21 20:55:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Admiral Nova
Less than 0.028% of members votes were required to elect a CSM member, I'm not sure what the CSM is representative of, but it doesn't look like it represents the players. The elected members represent less than 5% of accounts total.
Maybe we should force people to vote?
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Fehn Gamin
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.05.21 20:59:00 -
[97]
Waiting for opinion polls to feed CSM debates... I would also like to see opinion totals correlated with age of player account, and other metrics to see what part of player base is represented and is contributing their opinions.
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2008.05.21 21:07:00 -
[98]
I would expect more votes next time around if this lot perform reasonably well.
A lot of people don't think it matters.
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Inanna Zuni
The Causality
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.05.21 21:18:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Admiral Nova
Less than 0.028% of members votes were required to elect a CSM member, I'm not sure what the CSM is representative of, but it doesn't look like it represents the players. The elected members represent less than 5% of accounts total.
This is like in *every* election; those who make the effort to vote will select on behalf of those who don't. In the case of the CSM there was over 14 days in which someone could have spent less than a minute making two mouse clicks to choose their preferred candidate. That they did not is a sad reflection on the pod pilot masses but not something which demeans the mandate of those elected.
Originally by: Fehn Gamin
s to see what part of player base is represented and is contributing their opinions.
So far as I and other elected members I have spoken with so far are concerned, we are representing all of the player base there is no delegated decision-making here; we set out to serve all players whether they voted for us, for someone else, or not at all, and serve all pod pilots is exactly what we will be doing.
And to those unsuccessful this time around, the first council serves for six months - your time will come!
Thank you again to all pilots who voted in these elections, let's make it work ...
IZ
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Kayscha
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Posted - 2008.05.21 21:27:00 -
[100]
Funny to consider: if I had registered 800 trial accounts some six weeks ago, going on to pay subscription for each one of them for 1 month for a toal of slightly beyond a thousand bucks, I could have elected myself including a free trip to iceland and accomodation. I doubt I could have gotten a cheaper deal to visit the island anywhere else ;)
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Proteus Doctorow
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.05.21 21:31:00 -
[101]
I'm very happy to see my elected rep, Inanna Zuni, win a position on the council. Congrats to the rest as well. This is only the beginning! |
Pizi
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Posted - 2008.05.21 21:45:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Kayscha
Funny to consider: if I had registered 800 trial accounts some six weeks ago, going on to pay subscription for each one of them for 1 month for a toal of slightly beyond a thousand bucks, I could have elected myself including a free trip to iceland and accomodation. I doubt I could have gotten a cheaper deal to visit the island anywhere else ;)
lol 800x 10 = 8k
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Admiral Nova
Strike Team Nova
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Posted - 2008.05.21 22:03:00 -
[103]
Edited by: Admiral Nova on 21/05/2008 22:06:38
Originally by: Papa Ina
Maybe we should force people to vote?
Works in many countries. Even without that, if they had a preferential system the council would represent the 10% that voted instead of the 5% that voted for them.
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2008.05.21 22:18:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Pizi
Originally by: Kayscha
Funny to consider: if I had registered 800 trial accounts some six weeks ago, going on to pay subscription for each one of them for 1 month for a toal of slightly beyond a thousand bucks, I could have elected myself including a free trip to iceland and accomodation. I doubt I could have gotten a cheaper deal to visit the island anywhere else ;)
lol 800x 10 = 8k
i think you can get way cheaper to icland
Plus it would probably be 16K since the system specified you had to have had a paid account for more than 30 days. |
Daraasi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2008.05.21 22:32:00 -
[105]
We should have seen such a low voter turn out coming.
When i encouraged local to get out and vote i mostly got people going "vote in what?" and "how do i vote" even though its on the front page !
Maybe eve players arnt as bright as we like to think. |
Kelsin
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.21 22:59:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Daraasi
We should have seen such a low voter turn out coming.
When i encouraged local to get out and vote i mostly got people going "vote in what?" and "how do i vote" even though its on the front page !
Maybe eve players arnt as bright as we like to think.
It would be interesting if players could vote in-game as well - the participation would surely be much higher. |
Lumen Atra
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.22 00:03:00 -
[107]
Edited by: Lumen Atra on 22/05/2008 00:05:01
Most players of ANY game simply play the game. They don't visit the website beyond what is necessary (and there is no necessity to visit with automatic payments) and most players do not read the forums. Any game.
To think, however, that just because only 11% of people voted means that the majority of the eve population won't be represented is naive. Each representative is connected to a large player base (voters and nonvoters) and, through the grapevine effect, reach towards a general consensus. It is not perfect, but it is hardly bad representation. In any government, it is completely possible that the people elected are only going to work towards their own goals. This is a very pessimistic view, however, and I honestly would not encourage that - although as time goes on, faith in humanity is dropping.
And to the person that essentially said representatives in any government is simply about making money and that polling the populace is better - you're an idiot. Governments are never about what the individuals want. They are about groups of people and attempting to do what will benefit the group. It just so happens that people want those benefits to extend to each individual which usually is the case.
Because people are people, not everybody is going to even be heard. The way people get heard is by becoming a group with similar ideas! If you cannot understand this basic concept, you shouldn't be voting anyway. I'd rather a small sect of educated voters putting people into office than a large sect of uneducated voters. If you want uneducated voters to vote, you would do almost as well to just let a random number generator pick.
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Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2008.05.22 01:36:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Lumen Atra
And to the person that essentially said representatives in any government is simply about making money and that polling the populace is better - you're an idiot.
The language of the whole thing was quite misleading given how virtually all the candidates save for darius and one or two others touted themselves as partisans set to preserve x program or y clientele rather than demonstrating their interpretive approach to what Eve was and how to imagine its deficiencies. They really shouldn't have called them candidates in the electoral sense, they are something closer to conflated pollsters than electoral or political agents.
In any event how could you realistically evaluate one candidate from another, based on their forum presence, how they characterized themselves?
All in all, a curious experiment.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.22 01:38:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Kelsin
Originally by: Daraasi
We should have seen such a low voter turn out coming.
When i encouraged local to get out and vote i mostly got people going "vote in what?" and "how do i vote" even though its on the front page !
Maybe eve players arnt as bright as we like to think.
It would be interesting if players could vote in-game as well - the participation would surely be much higher.
Yeah have to admit, I'd have preferred that option too - anything to increase participation would have been a good thing.
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Poreuomai
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
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Posted - 2008.05.22 10:35:00 -
[110]
Edited by: Poreuomai on 22/05/2008 10:37:08
Congrats to all who got elected to the CSM. May the voices of the player base be heard.
Originally by: Lumen Atra
I'd rather a small sect of educated voters putting people into office than a large sect of uneducated voters.
Are you serious? That would be bad news for democracy in general.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.05.22 10:37:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Poreuomai
Originally by: Lumen Atra
I'd rather a small sect of educated voters putting people into office than a large sect of uneducated voters.
Are you serious? That would be bad new for democracy in general.
Besides the fact that it would become an elitist system, I don't agree really.
Children(Not saying EvE players are kids, there's some very intelligent people in this game) don't know what's good for them.
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Waterfowl Democracy
The Ministry of Indigenous Affairs
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.22 10:50:00 -
[112]
Perhaps more Americans voted than Europeans because democracy is an American concept that was only later exported to the backwards Europeans. Europeans just don't have the grasp of democracy that Americans do. Their national elections are also run in an inferior way as any observer can see when comparing the American electoral system (with the Electoral Colleges and a bipartisan system) to the sub optimal multi party systems of the old world.
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Poreuomai
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
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Posted - 2008.05.22 10:52:00 -
[113]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
... it would become an elitist system ...
Well exactly.
The whole point of democracy is that the general population is in control.
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Bael Thazor
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Posted - 2008.05.22 11:26:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Avalira
Edited by: Avalira on 20/05/2008 16:16:34
Just got an email from CCP, the results can be seen here:
http://www.eve-online.com/CSM/results.asp
Note: the above won't work for those with the Firefox linkification plugin.
Edit: If the above link does't work you can get it here:
http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/results.jpg
Anyone else get owned by that?
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Sanche Tehkeli
Bionesis Technologies
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Posted - 2008.05.22 11:35:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Lumen Atra
Edited by: Lumen Atra on 22/05/2008 00:06:43
Edited by: Lumen Atra on 22/05/2008 00:06:22
Edited by: Lumen Atra on 22/05/2008 00:05:01
Most players of ANY game simply play the game. They don't visit the website beyond what is necessary (and there is no necessity to visit with automatic payments) and most players do not read the forums. Any game.
To think, however, that just because only 11% of people voted means that the majority of the eve population won't be represented is naive. Each representative is connected to a large player base (voters and nonvoters) and, through the grapevine effect, reach towards a general consensus. It is not perfect, but it is hardly bad representation. In any government, it is completely possible that the people elected are only going to work towards their own goals. This is a very pessimistic view, however, and I honestly would not encourage that - although as time goes on, faith in humanity is dropping.
And to the person that essentially said representatives in any government is simply about making money and that polling the populace is better - you're an idiot. Governments are never about what the individuals want. They are about groups of people and attempting to do what will benefit the group. It just so happens that people want those benefits to extend to each individual which usually is the case.
Because people are people, not everybody is going to even be heard. The way people get heard is by becoming a group with similar ideas! If you cannot understand this basic concept, you shouldn't be voting anyway. I'd rather a small sect of educated voters putting people into office than a large sect of uneducated voters. If you want uneducated voters to vote, you would do almost as well to just let a random number generator pick.
On CCPs part, they should have had something in game to place votes. Login screen with a voting panel with the list of candidates (randomized order for each person) that gives basic information and a radio button for voting.
Oh God, I truly follow you on this point. This is well told.
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Grey Shadow
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Posted - 2008.05.23 09:08:00 -
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Big time grats to all you successful CSM candidates. I'm hoping you can all make this work in our favour.
Any idea if we'll get a full breakdown of the results?
My e-mail got me a "thanks - but no thanks" with no details of votes beyond those successful.
Andy
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Thirzarr
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Posted - 2008.05.23 13:26:00 -
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http://myeve.eve-online.com/council/voting/VotingResults.asp
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.23 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Grey Shadow
Big time grats to all you successful CSM candidates. I'm hoping you can all make this work in our favour.
Thank you Grey, we'll do our best to make this Inaugural CSM all it can be and leave it in superb shape for the next bunch! Good luck next time
CSM Manifesto 2008 | Destroy Outposts! |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2008.05.23 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: Waterfowl Democracy
Edited by: Waterfowl Democracy on 22/05/2008 10:55:49
Perhaps more Americans voted than Europeans because democracy is an American concept that was only later exported to the backwards Europeans. Europeans just don't have the grasp of democracy that Americans do. Their national elections are also run in an inferior way as any observer can see when comparing the American electoral system (with the Electoral Colleges and a bipartisan system) to the sub optimal multi party systems of the old world.
It took me a few seconds to realise you were being sarcastic.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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