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Lanhaa
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.27 00:43:00 -
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Edited by: Lanhaa on 27/05/2008 00:45:50
/Not signed
Pretty sure 3/4 of ppl criticizing Bacon just don't even know what they are talking about (ie, try it before whining). Bacon just don't remove the need to monitor local.
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Kerrigan Brood
Sparta Holdings Inc
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Posted - 2008.05.27 03:15:00 -
[122]
Ban Bacon. Simple.
/signed
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tropic89
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Posted - 2008.05.27 03:15:00 -
[123]
here here
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Greenreaper
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Posted - 2008.05.27 03:15:00 -
[124]
Signed.
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Paddlefoot Aeon
Neogen Industries
Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.05.27 03:15:00 -
[125]
Bacon is detrimental to the game, and it uses log server information in ways that it was never intended.
I support this topic.
Now Recruiting. Join "Neogen" channel for details
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Jolinar Malkshur
Divine Retribution
Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.05.27 03:17:00 -
[126]
<<signed>>
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"Some one ever tries to kill you, you try to kill them right back" - Malcolm Reynolds |
Reuser
Gunfleet Logistics
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.27 04:29:00 -
[127]
here, here = hear, hear ?
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Papa Ina
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.27 10:22:00 -
[128]
Look at all dem Hydra with the "not signed".
Whether or not ccp officially sanctioned the app or not is not of any importance, the CSM is here to represent the players not CCP. Some players don't like it, and want the issue clarified at least.
As you should be more than aware (apparently you are not) action against this does not mean they will simply turn it off (no matter how much I might want that), they may well decide that (like local standings) they want to include it in the client.
Either way this motion is simply to get the opinions of those that want it looked at to those that should here them. There is a simple reason that CCP did not include a "thumbs down" option. They don't want other people silencing other peoples opinions.
In conclusion you are all stupid.
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Papa Ina
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.27 10:42:00 -
[129]
 Originally by: Jade Constantine
I'm going to support this issue, but as a point of order can you try to ensure that issues have questions in them please. Ultimately we're going to be voting things onto an agenda which is going to be presented and debated with ccp and we're going to want questions so we can bring back answers. Doesn't have to be complicated, even "hey ccp are you going to fix this and when?"
Thanks.
Sorry for my late response, while I agree that it would be easier to manage if the issue was question based I feel that there are a multitude of questions involved here and I was hoping that the reasoned debate in this thread would highlight the most pertinent of them. From my side I am mostly worried about escalation, as some have said in the thread there are worries that in order to remain competitive you'll have to use specific 3rd party out of game tools, much like how World of Warcraft turned out. I'm a big supporter of a level playing field and I really just want to make sure that CCP understands how important this issue is to some people.
Also, LOOK HYDRA CSM SUPPORT WHERE'D ALL YOUR "NOT SIGNED" GET YOU NOW. BOOYA
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Jean Reneaux
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Posted - 2008.05.28 12:54:00 -
[130]
/not signed
As long as one can't reorder local by threat level there is no reason or justification to outlaw BACON.
- J
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Farrqua
Turbo Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.28 15:06:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Jean Reneaux
/not signed
As long as one can't reorder local by threat level there is no reason or justification to outlaw BACON.
- J
Uh I think you have to determine the threat level your self, by actually paying attention to who is coming or going.
Why log in if you are not going to do anything but AFK mine or rat.
Hey look if you want to stay safe pay attention. If you don't want to put the effort in, then you accept the risk.
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Spork Thalamus
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Posted - 2008.05.28 15:36:00 -
[132]
Easy call. Get rid of it.
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Eiire
The Nietzian Way
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.28 16:06:00 -
[133]
/not signed
I don't see anything about it being against the spirit of the game.
I thought this was already solved??
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Reuser
Gunfleet Logistics
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.28 18:02:00 -
[134]
ITT Goons asking to ban a tool category they themselves defined: THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST!!!!!
In before "Beetracker was fake!"
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Eronysis
Gunfleet Logistics
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.28 18:09:00 -
[135]
Hahaha you hypocrites.
Goons use more secondary application tools than anyone. So what you are saying is you want a monopoly and don't want your potential victims to use similar tools, hasn't this all been said before?
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Thorradin
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.29 03:07:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
/not signed. BACON is exactly the kind of program that should be encouraged by CCP - automate the boring crap, leave the player to actually play the game. If they're going to let the UI suck by default, at least let us fix it.
Originally by: zykerx
what does that program do ?
It checks local for hostiles, and plays a sound if any come in. Basically, it's an automated scanner for local. The log server is how it's implemented technically, since the EULA bans programs that check game data directly.
If you find it boring to keep an eye out for hostiles then you need to lose a few ships, or go to secure space.
This thread is kinda moot though, CCP has already stated that the logserver is getting changed, and that they don't like these kinda of programs, nor do they approve of them.
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Khan Rodak
Manu Dei
Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2008.05.31 13:33:00 -
[137]
signed
New Seminarium open
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Beaverid Tesu
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Posted - 2008.05.31 14:23:00 -
[138]
Edited by: Beaverid Tesu on 31/05/2008 14:24:29
Changing the UI is against the EULA. Creating an alternate UI is just the same as changing the old one. BACON is bad, m'kay?
/me is all for getting rid of any and all third party programs. If CCP doesn't make it it shouldn't be allowed.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.05.31 15:50:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Beaverid Tesu
Edited by: Beaverid Tesu on 31/05/2008 14:24:29
Changing the UI is against the EULA. Creating an alternate UI is just the same as changing the old one. BACON is bad, m'kay?
/me is all for getting rid of any and all third party programs. If CCP doesn't make it it shouldn't be allowed.
Changing the UI is not against the EULA, it's certain technical means to do so that are. BACON used none of those means. That said, Eve has an astoundingly stupid EULA on this point - it's like they're trying to make sure we have a crappy UI. Proper moddability would solve about 40% of the requests on this forum in one fell swoop.
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Elassi Korr
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Posted - 2008.06.01 05:42:00 -
[140]
Edited by: Elassi Korr on 01/06/2008 05:42:39
Originally by: Havohej
Autopilot was added 'cause it should've been there to begin with. I wasn't talking about other people who made sci-fi games and failed - I was talking about real sci-fi. On Star Trek, the captain says "Helm, lay in a course." Helmsman says "kk mon capitain, course layed in." Captain says "engage" and guess what happens? The ship goes where it was told to go, along the path it was told to go along. A ship's on-board navigation computer should be able to handle things like that.
F-14's can read IFF codes, sure, but not until they're actually in range of the other plane to get the IFF signal from that plane's transponder. Here we're talking about knowing that somebody has come into the system with a audio signal so that we don't have to take responsibility for our own ass and watch local. Your IFF analogy doesn't work, if for no other reason than for the fact that we don't have a system-wide radar on our ships that tells us who is in system, where they are, what they're flying and what kind of drones they're using.
Reloading an empty weapon is similar to pulling the slide on a 9mm, pulling the trigger which empties the chamber, and then as the slide moves forward again it pulls the next round into place - but it does not automatically fire again until you pull the trigger again. It makes sense that technology Are you really this stupid?
Actually, reloading a weapon is more like ejecting the empty clip, put in a new one, then arm the weapon. What you are saying is shooting round after round from the same clip. And we're talking big clips here...
About the IFF codes / radar... BSG has Draydus, and afaik it's system-wide... or close to it; unlike local / bacon, it gives intel about the size and type of the ship, it's exact location, heading and speed. So if CCP removes local they should put something like draydus instead.
EDIT: NOT signed. I like bacon. yumm..
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Farrqua
Turbo Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.01 06:39:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Elassi Korr
Actually, reloading a weapon is more like ejecting the empty clip, put in a new one, then arm the weapon. What you are saying is shooting round after round from the same clip. And we're talking big clips here...
About the IFF codes / radar... BSG has Draydus, and afaik it's system-wide... or close to it; unlike local / bacon, it gives intel about the size and type of the ship, it's exact location, heading and speed. So if CCP removes local they should put something like draydus instead.
EDIT: NOT signed. I like bacon. yumm..
Ok, from what I have read this program is for a player that are AFK or some one who happens to be reading the forums or whatever. So from what it understand, Players are fighting for BACCON and other programs like it, so players that are to bored to pay attention to whats happening in game can protect there ships?
Side note:
Oh and about the reloading the weapon/clip thing. Yea if you are target practicing you could fire until your slide or bolt is locked back in a position to expose the chamber, drop the clip, insert new clip, release the slide (which cambers the round) and then fire.
If you are in a combat, you do not wait until the slide locks back. You should know if trained well, when to drop the clip, pop in a fresh clip in while you have a round still in the chamber. And then back to work.
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CaldariCitizen2023
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Posted - 2008.06.01 09:22:00 -
[142]
This isn't cheating, it's a UI 'enhancement'
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2008.06.01 15:33:00 -
[143]
Save the pigs! No more Bacon!
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Shnergin
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Posted - 2008.06.01 22:57:00 -
[144]
Never used BACON, never want to. I think CCP is already working on this, but it's nice to let them know that we want them to.
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RoCkEt X
The Order of Chivalry
Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2008.06.02 11:38:00 -
[145]
Edited by: RoCkEt X on 02/06/2008 11:41:10
i see a crapton of pvpers in this thread, all flaming BACON.
i'm a pvper and out of curiosity i tried it. i run dual accounts, my main in one system, my alt scouting in the next. when BACON yells at me that theres a new local, i go looky... and hit scanner to see if i can be bothered to kill it.
its also cool for afk gatecamping, if you are a light sleeper like myself, set up BACON, turn ur comp speakers up to very loud. then when a new local pops in - you can jump out of bed, run over to comp, gank his ass. wait for aggro timer to finish. warp back to gate. then go back to sleep.
BACON helps in fleet ops too ^^ as an FC, i run my scout infront of the fleet, and my main with the fleet. if BACON bleeps, i know we have incoming, and i can quickly make my decision. it saves me the hastle of either buying a second screen for my comp, or tabbing between the characters.
i wouldnt be gutted if they declared bacon an exploit, nor if they encrypted the log files so it didnt work. i like BACON personally, because it has advantages to both pvpers and carebears. making it easier for both, and harder for both at the same time.
BACON has already got me a couple of kills, here is one of them:
LINK
we were on quick deploy back home (not moving as fleet but warping to 0 individually) then BACON bleeps, so i tell the guys to hold on the gate. which they do, he jumps out, BACON notifies me he has left the system, and bleeps again when he entered the system containing my main and the rest of the fleet.
it works both ways, but i dont mind it really. its actually rather clever - and at least gunfleet made it public, so everyone is on a fair playing field.
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Efa Morgan
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Posted - 2008.06.03 08:44:00 -
[146]
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Acidictadpole
ADVANCED Combat and Engineering
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.03 09:42:00 -
[147]
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Irista Ari'star
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Posted - 2008.06.04 06:46:00 -
[148]
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Murodeeznuts
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.04 07:46:00 -
[149]
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.06.04 08:15:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Reuser
Second off, you really don't understand the meaning of the word hack, in my opinion. In the pejorative (bad) use of the word hack, a "hacker" would not seek the permission of the game company he is "hacking". Nor would said game company allow the "hacker" to release. Nor would said "hacker" remove features on request of said game company.
thats the one part (the bold part) I don't like. I haven't a clue as to what the removed features are, but knowing that there is a potentially stronger bacon out there.
while ratting (my only 0.0 experience  ), I could have my client open, and my internet browser on another monitor. easy enough to watch local there.
only thing I don't like is that some players could take fof ravens sit in the belt and alt tab and pay no attention.
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