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Wraith Spawn
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Posted - 2008.06.03 10:12:00 -
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One simple, plain reason why eve has failed as an MMO: a single lag spike means the loss of weeks and weeks of work and effort.
I can not play this game anymore, I worked for so long to be able to sit in a nighthawk, then to buy one, then all the skills for the fittings needed training then to buy them, then to disconnect on the first mission i ever did on it and come back in a pod, CCP refusing to refund because their incompetent technicians failed to find a fault on their end.
So playing way more than I enjoyed, I managed to buy a second one. I disconnected during 'intercept the saboteurs' (blood raiders) on the second gate after warping in, and came back, again, in a pod. Both nighthawks combined with full t2 fittings and cap control circuits cost me over 500million isk - both combined made me 200mil with a lot of effort.
CCP once again refuses to give my ship back.
When I lose at a game, I accept it. When someone else loses at a game and I pay for their incompetence, I stop playing.
Thanks for nothing (save for your incompetence).
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Arana Tellen
The Blackguard Wolves
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Posted - 2008.06.03 10:13:00 -
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Edited by: Arana Tellen on 03/06/2008 10:14:25 Did you not go through the tutorial
NEVER FLY ANYTHING YOU CANT AFFORD TO LOOSE.
EDIT: LOL at the nighthawks, 200 million can afford you 2 ravens that will be able to do the missions much faster. ---------------------------------
Oh noes!
Originally by: CCP Greyscale *moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal*
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Shakari Sween
Entropians on Vacation
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Posted - 2008.06.03 10:14:00 -
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your stuff, can I have it? So i hear there's no line to break sigs so your reading this cause I put it in to look like part of my post! |
Ecky X
Universal Securities
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Posted - 2008.06.03 10:14:00 -
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The problem is probably at your end, not CCP's. Call up your ISP and demand your ship back.
Besides, 500mil is a drop in the pool. Some players spend that every hour.
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Lord Evangelian
The White Mantle
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Posted - 2008.06.03 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: Arana Tellen Did you not go through the tutorial
NEVER FLY ANYTHING YOU CANT AFFORD TO LOOSE.
this...CS are expensive...
The logs dont lie, are you sure you didint just over estimate th epower and then get killed becuase you were new to it... --------------------
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xXApophisXx
Chaos Coalition The Covenant Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.03 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: Wraith Spawn One simple, plain reason why eve has failed as an MMO: a single lag spike means the loss of weeks and weeks of work and effort.
I can not play this game anymore, I worked for so long to be able to sit in a nighthawk, then to buy one, then all the skills for the fittings needed training then to buy them, then to disconnect on the first mission i ever did on it and come back in a pod, CCP refusing to refund because their incompetent technicians failed to find a fault on their end.
So playing way more than I enjoyed, I managed to buy a second one. I disconnected during 'intercept the saboteurs' (blood raiders) on the second gate after warping in, and came back, again, in a pod. Both nighthawks combined with full t2 fittings and cap control circuits cost me over 500million isk - both combined made me 200mil with a lot of effort.
CCP once again refuses to give my ship back.
When I lose at a game, I accept it. When someone else loses at a game and I pay for their incompetence, I stop playing.
Thanks for nothing (save for your incompetence).
Ive lost Billions of ISK and not complained on forums etc!!!
Try switching off Bittorrent or limewire or X-Tube if you use it lol!!! That should reduce lag 10 fold!!! Also try reducing your client graphics to a lower set!! ----- "Kneel before your god" --Apophis -Stargate SG-1 |
Cpt Branko
Surge. NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.06.03 10:18:00 -
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With that many DCs, it's probably on your end.
At any rate: how come you just didn't passive tank everything? It's not a *active* Nighthawk, is it? Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
xXApophisXx
Chaos Coalition The Covenant Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.03 10:20:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko With that many DCs, it's probably on your end.
At any rate: how come you just didn't passive tank everything? It's not a *active* Nighthawk, is it?
ROFL i think we all know most of the time its the fit inside the station that wins the battle!!! If i remember rightly CCP Wrangler said that himself!!!
So it could be the fitting too!! Try using a Raven or something!! FTW!!! ----- "Kneel before your god" --Apophis -Stargate SG-1 |
auvernen
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Posted - 2008.06.03 10:23:00 -
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actually i lost a battleship a few weeks ago in a mission due to lag spike
i filed a petition and got it back within a day, apparently logs were showing that indeed there was some server-side lag involved in me getting killed
if there is a lag spike due to something going on on your side, with your client, computer, internet, of course CCP's logs won't show anything
in future when a bad instance like this happens to you, be a smart person and try not to repeat the exact same actions that led to you dying
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Reverend Mayhem
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Posted - 2008.06.03 10:27:00 -
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Oh noes you lost a ship. As others have said the rule in EVE is don't fly what you cannot afford to lose. If you still can't see why this aspect of the game actually makes EVE great rather than a failure then it's not the game for you.
I'd ask for your stuff but you've already lost it.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.06.03 10:28:00 -
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It's called a tank... do it right next time?
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Huurtney Gurdsen
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Posted - 2008.06.03 10:30:00 -
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That truly sucks.
Oi, CCP, give him a Nighthawk !
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Armoured C
Globaltech Industries The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.06.03 10:30:00 -
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no you lost it lol get something with a tank
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Melllo champers
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Posted - 2008.06.03 10:30:00 -
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You spend a silly amount of isk on a NH and lose it to disconnect, don't get it reimbursed so you go and buy another and lose it to disconnect.
Seems you didn't learn anything the 1st time.
Blame your internet connection/own stupidity not CCP.
Good Bye.
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Krxon Blade
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Posted - 2008.06.03 10:39:00 -
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Disconnects could be very annoying, especially if your in PvP or scrammed in mission. If you fly expensive ship, like Nighthawk, be sure to have permaboost tank fitted. And if system is laggy, activate your hardeners and boosters/reppers BEFORE warpin at mission spot.
-- EVE ambulation (Full Body Avatar) character creator 2.0 EVE offline game |
Kestrix
Advanced Capital Ship Designs Hephaestus Rising
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Posted - 2008.06.03 10:40:00 -
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I regularly disconnect doing lvl 4 missions in my TII fitted Dominix and I have yet to lose it. If your ship is getting popped in the time it takes to log on again then it's not CCP that is at fault, it's you, or your ship, or your skills or your fitting.
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Zaknussem
The Ironbreakers
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Posted - 2008.06.03 10:41:00 -
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The only thing I can add to the OP's post is that he should have spent time thinking about where he was missioning. Regardless of how good his connection is, he will encounter lag if he's flying missions during peak time in Motsu. |
xXApophisXx
Chaos Coalition The Covenant Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.03 10:46:00 -
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Better still... if its lagging dont do the mission at that time... instead wait a few hours or try again another day! ----- "Kneel before your god" --Apophis -Stargate SG-1 |
Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2008.06.03 10:47:00 -
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You went through all that work to get a nighthawk and didn't fit a t2 passive tank? Come on, the nh has the best survival rate of any ship in terms of lagdeath that way. ---- Infiniband can do more than just prevent lag |
Huurtney Gurdsen
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Posted - 2008.06.03 10:48:00 -
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Doesn't anybody feel sorry for him?
Cruel, cruel world/people/Eve/Internets.
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Furb Killer
The Peacekeeper Core
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Posted - 2008.06.03 10:49:00 -
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So fail setup (nighthawk shouldnt have trouble surviving disconnect in missions) and fail OP who files pointless petitions.
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Thargat
North Star Networks Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.06.03 10:51:00 -
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It's been stated before and here we go again.
Most disconnects are, afaik, NOT CCPs fault. I've experienced varying results on different ISPs and connections (some 6+ different ones). At home I can leave the client running from DT to DT without a single disconnect. Other ISPs and connectiontypes (like cellphones) disconnects frequently (once every hour or so) even though the connection appears to be stable for other applications (like IE). It's usually (when analyzed with f.e. wireshark) a latency spike that has nothing to do with the TQ servers but instead something that's happening within the ISP network.
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xXApophisXx
Chaos Coalition The Covenant Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.03 10:52:00 -
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i think we can safely say this topic is. CLOSED! ----- "Kneel before your god" --Apophis -Stargate SG-1 |
Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.06.03 10:53:00 -
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If you can find yourself this annoyed about losing 500m in game, even to a disconnect, then Eve really isn't the game for you.
I mean hell, it's not uncommon for a single pilot to lose billions in one engagement.
My advice if you're so easily enraged by loss is to go play something a little less harsh on your mind.
\o/ EON FICTION WRITER OF THE YEAR! \o/
>>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<< |
Veldya
Guristari Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2008.06.03 10:55:00 -
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It is why they made Marauders, a massive chunk of your investment is covered by insurance and you need nothing better than T2 mods to do any mission.
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Father Dibbles
Self Aggrandisement Society
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Posted - 2008.06.03 10:57:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
If you can find yourself this annoyed about losing 500m in game, even to a disconnect, then Eve really isn't the game for you.
I mean hell, it's not uncommon for a single pilot to lose billions in one engagement.
My advice if you're so easily enraged by loss is to go play something a little less harsh on your mind.
This.
Bouncing back from losses is part of the game.
May god save me, if it is right that he should do so...
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xXApophisXx
Chaos Coalition The Covenant Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.03 10:57:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
If you can find yourself this annoyed about losing 500m in game, even to a disconnect, then Eve really isn't the game for you.
I mean hell, it's not uncommon for a single pilot to lose billions in one engagement.
My advice if you're so easily enraged by loss is to go play something a little less harsh on your mind.
How about you play World Of Warcraft!!! You can die and still lose nothing of your equipment!!! So basically you can continue working up the rich list!!
However in eve, if you focus all your assets in 1 area then you are closer to being the bum of the galaxy!! That said.... i own more than 50 ships myself... 4 capital ships, few bs, and a good few smaller ships and a hell load of modules etc so im good!!! I recently moved my assets to 0.0 and had to withdrawwhith my alliance resulting in me losting about 20% of my stock.... who cares!! ----- "Kneel before your god" --Apophis -Stargate SG-1 |
Huurtney Gurdsen
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Posted - 2008.06.03 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: xXApophisXx
How about you play World Of Warcraft!!! You can die and still lose nothing of your equipment!!! So basically you can continue working up the rich list!!
However in eve, if you focus all your assets in 1 area then you are closer to being the bum of the galaxy!! That said.... i own more than 50 ships myself... 4 capital ships, few bs, and a good few smaller ships and a hell load of modules etc so im good!!! I recently moved my assets to 0.0 and had to withdrawwhith my alliance resulting in me losting about 20% of my stock.... who cares!!
Show off. Give him a Nighthawk you meany !
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Shark Dikari
Inferior Technologies
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Posted - 2008.06.03 11:02:00 -
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bai
The shark says: Hi ! |
xXApophisXx
Chaos Coalition The Covenant Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.03 11:05:00 -
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Edited by: xXApophisXx on 03/06/2008 11:06:33
Originally by: Huurtney Gurdsen
Originally by: xXApophisXx
How about you play World Of Warcraft!!! You can die and still lose nothing of your equipment!!! So basically you can continue working up the rich list!!
However in eve, if you focus all your assets in 1 area then you are closer to being the bum of the galaxy!! That said.... i own more than 50 ships myself... 4 capital ships, few bs, and a good few smaller ships and a hell load of modules etc so im good!!! I recently moved my assets to 0.0 and had to withdrawwhith my alliance resulting in me losting about 20% of my stock.... who cares!!
Show off. Give him a Nighthawk you meany !
Lol i probably would.... if i did i would still need to see his exact skill sheet so that i know its worth it! I often give ships away to people and skillbooks too!! I remember 2 -3 months ago when i gave Capital Industrial Skillbook away and threw a fully fitted Rorqual w/bps at the pilot i gave the book to!!!
Admittedly he used the book but he also used the Rorqual for a while and he gave the Rorqual back to me with the fits etc
I could have easily spent the 450 mill for the skillbook on some kind of capital beams or just insured another ship lol! ----- "Kneel before your god" --Apophis -Stargate SG-1 |
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Huurtney Gurdsen
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Posted - 2008.06.03 11:10:00 -
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Undo - Meany.
Even if its his fault, its still really unlucky. I feel sorry for the poor chap.
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Hanneshannes
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Posted - 2008.06.03 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Shakari Sween your stuff, can I have it?
He doesn't have any stuff left.
I find missioning in a nighthawk stupid tbh, battleships can do it much faster and even though, nighthawks are supposed to have teh uber tank, my drkae never died hen I DCed with full aggro in any lvl 4 and it costs only like 90M.
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Pan Crastus
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Posted - 2008.06.03 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Hanneshannes
Originally by: Shakari Sween your stuff, can I have it?
He doesn't have any stuff left.
I find missioning in a nighthawk stupid tbh, battleships can do it much faster and even though,
That's not true really, Nighthawks are often much faster than BS (Ravens at least). Try it, it's because of all the cruisers/frigs in L4 missions.
EVE Online: a cold, cruel world where (RL-)rich people replace their losses with GTCs sold to poor students who need to farm ISK to afford their play time ...
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Riho
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.06.03 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Wraith Spawn One simple, plain reason why eve has failed as an MMO: a single lag spike means the loss of weeks and weeks of work and effort.
I can not play this game anymore, I worked for so long to be able to sit in a nighthawk, then to buy one, then all the skills for the fittings needed training then to buy them, then to disconnect on the first mission i ever did on it and come back in a pod, CCP refusing to refund because their incompetent technicians failed to find a fault on their end.
So playing way more than I enjoyed, I managed to buy a second one. I disconnected during 'intercept the saboteurs' (blood raiders) on the second gate after warping in, and came back, again, in a pod. Both nighthawks combined with full t2 fittings and cap control circuits cost me over 500million isk - both combined made me 200mil with a lot of effort.
CCP once again refuses to give my ship back.
When I lose at a game, I accept it. When someone else loses at a game and I pay for their incompetence, I stop playing.
Thanks for nothing (save for your incompetence).
there is only 1% chance that CCP is top blame here... it might be ur ****ty PC... it might be ur ****ty internet provider (most cases of disconnect is this).
if the problem was on CCPs side... you wouldnt be the only one losing ships in missions and whatnot.
so... scream at ur ISP not CCP... if you get disconnected from the game because of ur ISP then CCP GMs only see it same as if you used the quit button and they dont know if u did this on purpose or by accident. ---------------------------------- Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
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Hanneshannes
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Posted - 2008.06.03 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Pan Crastus
Originally by: Hanneshannes
Originally by: Shakari Sween your stuff, can I have it?
He doesn't have any stuff left.
I find missioning in a nighthawk stupid tbh, battleships can do it much faster and even though,
That's not true really, Nighthawks are often much faster than BS (Ravens at least). Try it, it's because of all the cruisers/frigs in L4 missions.
I can't try it, I can#t fly NHs, I've only seen them in action, yes they kill frigs faster then my raven does but just about anything else dies faster to a raven.
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Ellmar
Old Dominion Engineering Nihil-Obstat
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Posted - 2008.06.03 11:21:00 -
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bye we will all miss you im sure....
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Digital Solaris
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Posted - 2008.06.03 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Wraith Spawn
When I lose at a game, I accept it. When someone else loses at a game and I pay for their incompetence, I stop playing and start crying.
Let us turn this around; why is it or why should it be CCP' fault when things are working on their end and likely for alot of people, me included?
Obviously, you possess an delusional idea that the internet is this utopia of electronic information, **** and spam, that is free of latency and node crashes. And for your own good, you definately need to lay off whatever substance you are taking, oral or otherwise, dude.
Oh, by the way, I fixed a typo for you. No need to thank me. I am just happy to help.
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chez1962
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Posted - 2008.06.03 11:29:00 -
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Edited by: chez1962 on 03/06/2008 11:33:25 He had problems before and still do the same thing both times see his posts
can i have your stuff
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Wraith Spawn
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Posted - 2008.06.03 11:30:00 -
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Edited by: Wraith Spawn on 03/06/2008 11:32:42 Edited by: Wraith Spawn on 03/06/2008 11:31:44 I'm not asking for advice, but thanks for it anyway... and my nighthawk had 2x cap control circuits, t2 heavy launchers, 1x large shield booster, 1x shield boost amp, 2x active hardeners, 1x passive hardeners, 3x ballistic controls, dmg control, power diag. It works just fine if I can actually use my booster and does really good damage. And for people who think a raven does 4s faster than a nighthawk... I don't have much to say to you, except take into consideration a nighthawk fires so fast that the frigs and cruisers just disappear, and only takes slightly longer on battleships - the only time I ever wished I was in a raven was against rachen mysuda (sp?), and even then, I still broke her tank. With that out of the way...
The point is, that I didn't lose at the game, I never got myself killed, I got disconnected and came in dead. I would of finished the mission fine without having to warp out as I did many other times, but being unable to use a shield booster means I die. I wont play a game that makes me lose when I myself never lost, if that makes sense.
CCP lose nothing from reimbursing ships, and I haven't found a level 4 that counts as being in over my head. On the other hand, I don't really care. I've made my point. The game is a failure because lag makes you lose in a much more permanent way (as someone pointed out - WoW, when you die, you just come back - in eve your stuff is lost and it takes weeks of farming missions to get anything back, and if you get unlucky enough with lag, you don't even make back as much money as you spend).
Quote: Obviously, you possess an delusional idea that the internet is this utopia of electronic information, **** and spam, that is free of latency and node crashes. And for your own good, you definately need to lay off whatever substance you are taking, oral or otherwise, dude.
I'm just quoting this so maybe you'll read it again yourself. You're telling someone who is making a point based on how common lag is that they delude themselves to believe there is no lag on the internet. Take your own advice and lay off the substance.
Quote: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=763768&page=1#1 null He had problems before and still do the same thing both times Idea
And I'm quoting this so you can realize your own ignorance. Did you even look at the date on that? It's fixed, gone. Stop trying to be intelligent - particularly when it makes you look the opposite.
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Batolemaeus
Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.06.03 11:32:00 -
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Edited by: Batolemaeus on 03/06/2008 11:33:23
Originally by: Hanneshannes
I can't try it, I can#t fly NHs, I've only seen them in action, yes they kill frigs faster then my raven does but just about anything else dies faster to a raven.
I can. And i can tell you: With full t2 gear, a Nighthawk is about as fast as a raven. Factionfit for a Nighthawk is pretty cheap (you don't need factiontank imo, it tanks enough), and you can easily break the 550dps with heavy missiles..
Plus, it has a good hp buffer and is pretty safe from suicidegankers (you don't need factiongear pull stageaggro in gurista/serp missions, you have a whopping 13k hp on shield alone with a passive resistance bonus..)
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Wraith Spawn
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Posted - 2008.06.03 11:34:00 -
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I do missions with 14.5mil SP + T2 NH as fast as a faction fit raven with 50mil SP. This is like mac vs. windows all over again, everyone knows mac sucks.
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Thamuzz
Nexus Consortium
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Posted - 2008.06.03 11:36:00 -
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I have to agree with the chap that said that recovering loss is a part of this game.
There was one particulary unlucky week that I had where I had lost a battleship to said lag.. and it was fitted with a few faction mods.. I chose to undock, I chose to submit myself to the possibility of destruction by doing so, lag or no lag. Now I think lag sucks.. but it happens on the internets
Same week I also was a little too quick on a buy order which ended up costing me 290mill instead of 29mill.. once again.. it was my fault for putting in that extra "0" in the buy order.
My loss for that week was roughly 600mill
My advice is to suck it up and roll with the punches.
My lessons learnt were "to not fit a ship with faction mods when T2 will do" and the second one was "don't be a tool and take time with your buy orders"
What lesson have you learnt from your experience OP?
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2008.06.03 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Wraith Spawn blah blah blah more bullcrap blah blah
Bye
Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL |
Wraith Spawn
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Posted - 2008.06.03 11:39:00 -
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You're right, I'll stay docked forever, the lag monster might be waiting for me. CCP should refund ships (it does not affect them at all) from lag whether it's on their end or not. It's not about whos fault it is unless it's MINE, if it's my fault I accept responsibility, I don't blame other people for my mistakes - but this is not my mistake, I did not lag my connection. Nothing but eve was running - nothing. Not even a browser was open and I have no adware, spyware, viruses.
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itasteofcheese
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Posted - 2008.06.03 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: Wraith Spawn You're right, I'll stay docked forever, the lag monster might be waiting for me. CCP should refund ships (it does not affect them at all) from lag whether it's on their end or not. It's not about whos fault it is unless it's MINE, if it's my fault I accept responsibility, I don't blame other people for my mistakes - but this is not my mistake, I did not lag my connection. Nothing but eve was running - nothing. Not even a browser was open and I have no adware, spyware, viruses.
it sounds moe like your end then ccp's end, i havent had a disconnect in years, I have had lag but not that bad
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Riho
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.06.03 11:43:00 -
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the OP didnt read one thing i said... to bad he still keeps on going that CCP is to blame... sucks but there are stupid ppl in this world.
go check your PC or your internet provider. its 99% of those things thats causing the disconnects. ---------------------------------- Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
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Cpt Branko
Surge. NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.06.03 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: Wraith Spawn
I'm not asking for advice, but thanks for it anyway... and my nighthawk had 2x cap control circuits, t2 heavy launchers, 1x large shield booster, 1x shield boost amp, 2x active hardeners, 1x passive hardeners,
Ah, that's where the problem is. Passive tank it. Seriously. Any sort of crash and you don't care (turn on your hardeners beforehand), you'll still be alive when you log-in.
Anyway: if you really want to use a active tank ship for mission running, particularly in laggy systems or if you have DC problems, turn on your tank (which should be a permatank) before jumping in, and you're OK.
Hell, I've never ever ran a L4 (I got to L3s before I gave up on mission running and high-sec entirely), and I know that part.
Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
Arana Tellen
The Blackguard Wolves
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Posted - 2008.06.03 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Hanneshannes
Originally by: Pan Crastus
Originally by: Hanneshannes
Originally by: Shakari Sween your stuff, can I have it?
He doesn't have any stuff left.
I find missioning in a nighthawk stupid tbh, battleships can do it much faster and even though,
That's not true really, Nighthawks are often much faster than BS (Ravens at least). Try it, it's because of all the cruisers/frigs in L4 missions.
I can't try it, I can#t fly NHs, I've only seen them in action, yes they kill frigs faster then my raven does but just about anything else dies faster to a raven.
Indeed, going by that logic my rokh is 10x faster than a raven since I can take out multiple frigs in one volly. ---------------------------------
Oh noes!
Originally by: CCP Greyscale *moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal*
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Face Palmer
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.06.03 11:46:00 -
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MY NIGHTHAWK WAS EQUIPPED WITH THE FOLLOWING:
AWFUL TANK FLAKY INTERWEB CONNECTION PILOT FLYING A SHIP HE/SHE CAN'T AFFORD TO LOSE
10 CRATES OF WHINE A POD
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Grarr Dexx
Naval Protection Corp Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.06.03 11:46:00 -
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Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.
So unrelated, yet so applicable.
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Cpt Branko
Surge. NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.06.03 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Face Palmer MY NIGHTHAWK WAS EQUIPPED WITH THE FOLLOWING:
AWFUL TANK FLAKY INTERWEB CONNECTION PILOT FLYING A SHIP HE/SHE CAN'T AFFORD TO LOSE
10 CRATES OF WHINE A POD
Hahahhahaha
Funny and much to the point.
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Wraith Spawn
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Posted - 2008.06.03 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Riho the OP didnt read one thing i said... to bad he still keeps on going that CCP is to blame... sucks but there are stupid ppl in this world.
go check your PC or your internet provider. its 99% of those things thats causing the disconnects.
The disconnects were weeks apart. And I don't need to be told what causes lag, or how it works, I'm not someone who went out to a computer store, said I need this and this, paid stupid amounts of money and figured out how to open an application, I make my own machines, I use debian and other linux OSs, and what you are talking about is not something I need explained. Sorry for the apparent arrogance, but I'm trying to explain.
CCP is to blame for not returning a ship lost to lag. I don't care whether it was on their end or not, I'm not asking for a refund in my monthly fee, I'm asking for virtual data that takes nothing from them but everything from me. I did not mess up, I did not lose the ship, a disconnect did. I'm sorry if you guys can't understand that, and I was also happy with how my nighthawk was fitted, I don't want advice on how to play.
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Digital Solaris
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Posted - 2008.06.03 11:52:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Wraith Spawn
I'm just quoting this so maybe you'll read it again yourself. You're telling someone who is making a point based on how common lag is that they delude themselves to believe there is no lag on the internet. Take your own advice and lay off the substance.
No, you are not making a point, much less an argument, in fact, you whine about a ship loss due to disconnecting from the game, and your "argument" is that CCP are a bunch of incompetent people because they said no to a ship-lost-due-to-disconnect reimbursement when they found no error in their own logs.
Yes, I am well aware of how common latency is. It is as common as stupid people. Rational people on the other hand... mmhm.. rationality.
And lay off coffee!?
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Ethidium Bromide
ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.03 11:55:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Wraith Spawn I do missions with 14.5mil SP + T2 NH as fast as a faction fit raven with 50mil SP. This is like mac vs. windows all over again, everyone knows mac sucks.
you sir, are totally clueless!
Originally by: George Petsch Nochricht: Dei schwarer StroinlSser trifftn Karli[Baatzis] und ruiniert erm so richtig de Dosn, 1343.7 schhodn, oida.
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Wraith Spawn
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Posted - 2008.06.03 11:56:00 -
[55]
You should read what you write before you post it. But I've made my point, so have fun arguing amongst yourselves or trying to make yourselves feel better by insulting me (insults I wont even read).
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trite boon
Personal Vendetta Vendetta Alliance.
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Posted - 2008.06.03 11:56:00 -
[56]
Dont fly what YOU CAN'T AFORD TOO LOSE......
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Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.06.03 11:57:00 -
[57]
Edited by: Verone on 03/06/2008 11:59:44
Originally by: Wraith Spawn You're right, I'll stay docked forever, the lag monster might be waiting for me. CCP should refund ships (it does not affect them at all) from lag whether it's on their end or not. It's not about whos fault it is unless it's MINE, if it's my fault I accept responsibility, I don't blame other people for my mistakes - but this is not my mistake, I did not lag my connection. Nothing but eve was running - nothing. Not even a browser was open and I have no adware, spyware, viruses.
You don't seem to get it.
First off, refunding ships does affect CCP, it takes time out for their GM team to solve problems that aren't theirs. Thats costs CCP money in manhours that could be better spent solving genuine petitions such as character scamming, and characters getting stuck.
Secondly, it's not CCP's fault that your client disconnected. There are probably fifteen to 20 places between yourself and the hardwiring to TQ that could potentially cause you disconnect. That's not counting potentially damaged cables.
Just because you're adament it's not your computer to blame, or your router, then it doesn't mean it's CCP's fault you disconnected. Your responsiblity ends at your wall socket you plug into, as does theirs at the point their connections to TQ terminate at the wall.
CCP have stated in the past that they'll refund ships if there's a problem on their end... I know this because I've had a ship and clone refunded from a 9UY node crash when there was a siege on. That was a physical server crash, of CCP's HARDWARE.
Just because you have a half assed ISP, or you have connection trouble via your ISP, it doesn't mean that CCP should be out of pocket or resources because your service provider can't ensure you have a 100% reliable connection.
\o/ EON FICTION WRITER OF THE YEAR! \o/
>>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<< |
Doddy
Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.06.03 12:04:00 -
[58]
Originally by: auvernen actually i lost a battleship a few weeks ago in a mission due to lag spike
i filed a petition and got it back within a day, apparently logs were showing that indeed there was some server-side lag involved in me getting killed
if there is a lag spike due to something going on on your side, with your client, computer, internet, of course CCP's logs won't show anything
in future when a bad instance like this happens to you, be a smart person and try not to repeat the exact same actions that led to you dying
This. In my time playing eve i have lost a ship in a mission thanks to disco 3 times. The first two times i was reimbursed as there was server problems. When they said they found nothing the third time i believed them, the internet sucks after all.
Also now that it is so easy to see who scrambles you, all scramblers should be dead within the first minute or so of the room which means unless its in that first minute your ship will just warp out when you disco. Unfortunately a lot of people are too stupid/too lazy to take out the tacklers first.
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Maglorre
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Posted - 2008.06.03 12:04:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Ethidium Bromide
Originally by: Wraith Spawn I do missions with 14.5mil SP + T2 NH as fast as a faction fit raven with 50mil SP. This is like mac vs. windows all over again, everyone knows mac sucks.
you sir, are totally clueless!
And so is the Raven pilot...
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Doddy
Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.06.03 12:14:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Wraith Spawn You're right, I'll stay docked forever, the lag monster might be waiting for me. CCP should refund ships (it does not affect them at all) from lag whether it's on their end or not. It's not about whos fault it is unless it's MINE, if it's my fault I accept responsibility, I don't blame other people for my mistakes - but this is not my mistake, I did not lag my connection. Nothing but eve was running - nothing. Not even a browser was open and I have no adware, spyware, viruses.
The point is that they can't just believe anyone who says they disconnected and give them their ship back, as of course the majority will always be people who couldn't handle it and tried to log their way out of trouble. Giving them their ship back removes the entire basis of eves risk vs reward (already rather limited for someone doing a mission in high sec) which is what makes this game great.
If they started handing out free ships the 95% of people who play without any problems would go absolutely mental i think.
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Matrixcvd
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2008.06.03 12:19:00 -
[61]
gotta feel the OPs pain, couple that with desynch, lag fights, etc... i lost a petition where my pod blew up inside my ship, inside a station... yeah let that sink in for a second. In station, then ship, no ship, and then sent to my med bay. i got a ship mail but no pod mail... how can i lose my pod with no mail? they wouldnt even give me a mail.
sometimes its your computer, most of the time its the game+lag
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Inturist
Nubs. Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.06.03 12:40:00 -
[62]
Well , i think before blaiming CCP , u should check ur fittings , more correctly a TANK --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Val Vympel
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.06.03 12:42:00 -
[63]
Edited by: Val Vympel on 03/06/2008 12:43:42 I can afford to purchase a wide variety of automobiles.
*Insert dream car here
Just because I am able to,does not mean that I SHOULD buy said dream car.
Undocking in EvE is like rolling that dream car off the dealership lot. And then due to my own stupidity(testing the engine)and poor road conditions(Oh! no black ice)I wrap the dream car around a telephone pole one mile away from the dealership.
R.I.P.-1989 V8 Ford Mustang Convertible
Lessons learned.... 1.Buy a sports car in the summer.
2.Have the car delivered and parked in the garage.(This gives you some time to wipe it with a diaper and rev the engine to impress your friends before you take it for a spin and do something stupid or are involved in a bad situation by someone else being stupid.
3.Leave it in the garage indefinetly.(Until the novelty wears off and you and your friends don't care anymore what happens)
Concerning EvE..if points #2 and #3 cannot be met...DON'T BUY THE DREAM CAR...er SHIP.
It just hurts to much...
I went to the same dealership(CCP)3 years later to buy another car and the heartless bastards(the Forum)still remembered and laughed at me.
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RedLion
Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.03 12:44:00 -
[64]
Keep whining and escalating your ticket, you will get your ship back.
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Tippia
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.06.03 13:03:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Reverend Mayhem Oh noes you lost a ship.
…that and: aren't ships meant to be lost anyway?
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Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2008.06.03 13:21:00 -
[66]
"Faction-fit Raven with 50 million SP's," rofl. Only you would think that way. Try T1-named (maybe T2) fit Raven with 7 million SP's. Use a cheap ship to grind missions for cash, dummy, so you can write off the cost when you lose the ship. To lag, to suiciders, to whatever.
As for CCP's reimbursement policies, I doubt anything will come out of your petitioning and escalating, but it's fun to watch you try.
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Vorlon p0rn
Eye of God
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Posted - 2008.06.03 23:56:00 -
[67]
Oh Hai,
Someone told me there was free whine in here.
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Crusix Bargoth
Peerless Entropy
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Posted - 2008.06.04 00:01:00 -
[68]
Didn't read the entire thread, but I gotta say your little thing about why "Eve as failed as a MMO"?
250 thousand paid accounts beg to differ, I think the real question is why have you have failed at Eve?
Oh and by the way, previous to WoW, 250k subs was HUGE, and still is in any game that actually requires intelligence to play...i.e. any game BUT WoW.
Originally by: Kaathar Rielspar nerf ponies!!1one
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Lord Evangelian
The White Mantle
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Posted - 2008.06.04 00:15:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Letouk Mernel "Faction-fit Raven with 50 million SP's," rofl. Only you would think that way. Try T1-named (maybe T2) fit Raven with 7 million SP's. Use a cheap ship to grind missions for cash, dummy, so you can write off the cost when you lose the ship. To lag, to suiciders, to whatever.
As for CCP's reimbursement policies, I doubt anything will come out of your petitioning and escalating, but it's fun to watch you try.
I mission in a kronos, Its yet to let me down...I think you have to understand the mission your runnign an dthe ship your runnig it in... --------------------
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Apoctasy
The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.06.04 00:31:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Arana Tellen Edited by: Arana Tellen on 03/06/2008 10:14:25
NEVER FLY ANYTHING YOU CANT AFFORD TO LOOSE.
THIS
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Tai Paktu
Mortis Incarnatus
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Posted - 2008.06.04 00:32:00 -
[71]
If you're ragequiting because of lag/loss/anything at all and decide to make a post on the forums about how full of rage you are, don't expect sympathy from the community.
If there's anything left, well, you know.
WoW ______
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2008.06.04 00:40:00 -
[72]
Whinings are cheap, but, guys... be honest. How many times you've been owned not by players or mobs, but by lags? Lags on entering system, lags on grid activation, lags in fleet engagements... countless cases of STUPID situations, where other MMO's have no problem at all.
Simple comparison: Lineage2, Giran town square (common trade place for one server). Anywhere from 50 to 300 chars on "grid", depends on server and time. Problem? Yes... a little. Once it is loaded, you have NO SINGLE LAG, if your PC somewhat modern (That refers to the 32-bit single-core processor, no dual-quad-core x64 monsters). Don't pleased enough by static scene? Let's go to siege. 100 against 200 ppl "small-scale" castle siege. Again, no problem, your char always under control, no problem with picking tartgets, other than your own hand problems. Remember, Lineage2 is a fantasy game on the ground surface. That means it must render not only players characters, but also landscape, buildings, trees and other rocks. That means like additional 15-30% of graphics load.
EVE. You know it all. I've been in a gang of about 40 ships max, but even this small gang have big issues. Uncloaking of all ships on a gate at once - lag spike for a minute. Landing on a grid - same spike. Jumping through gate - pray to not fall asleep. Reading about bigger engagements, I still highly curious, how can they EVER ABLE to DO ANYTHING AT ALL. Cause every other one word in them are "lag" and it's derivatives. Like "I've warped - lagged - grid loaded - lag - overview refreshed - lag - picked target - lag - target dead already - lag...." -- Thanks CCP for cu |
Novemb3r
Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2008.06.04 01:11:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Wraith Spawn CCP should refund ships (it does not affect them at all) from lag whether it's on their end or not
I just want you to stop and consider what you said here. I even bolded it to make it easier to read. You understand this would mean no one would ever lose a ship ever. "OMG my ship blew up. I know, I'll petition it and say I lagged."
BRILLIANT PLAN -
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Havohej
The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2008.06.04 01:18:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Wraith Spawn I stop playing.
Bye. Since your stuff got blown up when you DC'd (by the way, CCP isn't responsible for your internet connection), I guess I can't have it.
Originally by: techzer0 I'm invincible until proven wrong
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Chiefs Fan
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.06.04 01:42:00 -
[75]
Edited by: Chiefs Fan on 04/06/2008 01:43:57 im not worried so much about lag, but if my isp takes a dump while im in combat or dangerous waters then im prolly gonna pay out the nose. my internet seems to flip a switch every once in a while, basically disconnects my connection just for a second, long enough to force me to log back in.. in this game i'd prolly find myself in a pod. knowing this i chose to fit my level 4 mission ship to be a tank that can at least last npc damage for several minutes.
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EnslaverOfMinmatar
Yarsk Hunters DeaDSpace Coalition
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Posted - 2008.06.04 01:43:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Novemb3r
Originally by: Wraith Spawn CCP should refund ships (it does not affect them at all) from lag whether it's on their end or not
I just want you to stop and consider what you said here. I even bolded it to make it easier to read. You understand this would mean no one would ever lose a ship ever. "OMG my ship blew up. I know, I'll petition it and say I lagged."
BRILLIANT PLAN
even if somebody will play eve with a video camera turned on lol, recording the lag, ccp can say they edited the footage
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Herring
Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2008.06.04 01:49:00 -
[77]
Although you're extremely frustrated at this point, I'd give it one more try. Come back, get another ship (I'd recommend a drake to start, so that you can unlearn your bad active tank habit). Get comfortable with a passive tank setup and then go back to your nighthawk. It really shines with a passive tank; no amount of lag spikes will be able to kill it.
Boost patch...nerfs: 1) faction passive shield resistance amplifiers, 2) exploration radar sites, 3) faction co-processors |
AKULA UrQuan
Druuge Crimson Corporation
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Posted - 2008.06.04 01:54:00 -
[78]
Wait a second. Shouldn't a NH fitted right be able to tank most level 4s till downtime?
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Aeo IV
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Posted - 2008.06.04 02:56:00 -
[79]
just a suggestion but...
If you're really lagging badly, close your client, your ship should warp off.
I've lost a few BSs to lag/and or my client locking up, so long as you have the ship insured it's not that big of a deal.
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Mankirks Wife
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Posted - 2008.06.04 03:13:00 -
[80]
The true test of whether someone is fit for a game like Eve is how they react when the big kick the nuts inevitably comes :). Eve has no shortage of 'oh-****' moments and those moments are hell of a lot rougher than anything you'll see in another MMO. Honestly, it's one of the things that makes Eve great - when losing is impossible winning becomes meaningless.
Like I told some random noob yesterday:
1) Have a thick skin 2) Always have a backup plan 3) Never fly anything you can't deal with losing
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Atomos Darksun
Infortunatus Eventus
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Posted - 2008.06.04 03:18:00 -
[81]
Get a better computer.
http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/funny-pictures-robo-ram.jpg
Originally by: Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice...
Atomos' Guide to Forum Flaming |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.06.04 03:47:00 -
[82]
frigates?
oh them red blinky things that my drones blow up
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Jmanis Catharg
Stickler inc
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Posted - 2008.06.04 03:59:00 -
[83]
I'll buy you five Nighthawks if you want. And next month, I'll buy you another five. Why? Because I can. And if you can't, you're doing it wrong.
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Arkhan Bayne
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Posted - 2008.06.04 04:03:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Cpt Branko With that many DCs, it's probably on your end.
At any rate: how come you just didn't passive tank everything? It's not a *active* Nighthawk, is it?
since he seems to have has 3x CCC on each of them, I suspect he WAS active tanking.
Rule one has always been never fly what you can't afford to lose, that's why I have a combat ship, a second one in the hangar ready to go, and multiple mining ships to recoup any losses. Oh, and that's not including all the inties, assault ships, covops, blah blah, which are more utility ships than front-line pwn-the-rats-in-the-face ships.
you'd have been better served spending that money on the aforementioned two ravens, leaving you with a spare ship.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2008.06.04 04:04:00 -
[85]
I fly level 4 missions solo with a passive tanked Drake. I've lost a T2 fitted Drake to a mission full of warp scrambling drones/frigates. I was quite upset that I underestimated the mission, but I didn't think I deserved to have a ship reimbursed. Then I brought a friend along to tank while I repaired him with my Osprey and finished the mission.
Leaving station in a nighthawk without a wingman is the first step to humiliating failure.
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Toria Nynys
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Posted - 2008.06.04 04:08:00 -
[86]
I managed to lose a nighthawk in a L4. Combination of 'bah I can take this mish with the wrong hardeners and 3 BCUs fitted' with a power hit. Sucks, I know.
Disconnects are a fact of life. Desyncs are a fact of life.
Passive tanked drakes laughing at *EVERY* mission out there is also a fact of life. I use one because I often have to AFK for family emergencies. Fit a real passive tank like everyone else and the only thing that'll be a problem after a disconnect is losing your drones.
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Veldya
Guristari Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2008.06.04 04:42:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Toria Nynys I managed to lose a nighthawk in a L4. Combination of 'bah I can take this mish with the wrong hardeners and 3 BCUs fitted' with a power hit. Sucks, I know.
Disconnects are a fact of life. Desyncs are a fact of life.
Passive tanked drakes laughing at *EVERY* mission out there is also a fact of life. I use one because I often have to AFK for family emergencies. Fit a real passive tank like everyone else and the only thing that'll be a problem after a disconnect is losing your drones.
I find active tanks are better for L4s, I just fit a raven so it actively tanks cap neutral so the tank can run 24/7 and the tank is strong enough to tank the whole room, when I disconnect, desync, or just have major isp issues on my end I know I will log back in whenever and never be dead.
With a Raven you can fit a T2 setup that will actively tank any mission cap neutral as long as you use the right hardeners for the mission.
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Galaxy Junkie
Space Candy Distribution
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Posted - 2008.06.04 04:54:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Wraith Spawn One simple, plain reason why eve has failed as an MMO: a single lag spike means the loss of weeks and weeks of work and effort.
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Ezekiel Sulastin
Central Research Nexus
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Posted - 2008.06.04 05:08:00 -
[89]
Edited by: Ezekiel Sulastin on 04/06/2008 05:08:51
Originally by: Tonto Auri Whinings are cheap, but, guys... be honest. How many times you've been owned not by players or mobs, but by lags? Lags on entering system, lags on grid activation, lags in fleet engagements... countless cases of STUPID situations, where other MMO's have no problem at all.
Simple comparison: Lineage2, Giran town square (common trade place for one server). Anywhere from 50 to 300 chars on "grid", depends on server and time. Problem? Yes... a little. Once it is loaded, you have NO SINGLE LAG, if your PC somewhat modern (That refers to the 32-bit single-core processor, no dual-quad-core x64 monsters). Don't pleased enough by static scene? Let's go to siege. 100 against 200 ppl "small-scale" castle siege. Again, no problem, your char always under control, no problem with picking tartgets, other than your own hand problems. Remember, Lineage2 is a fantasy game on the ground surface. That means it must render not only players characters, but also landscape, buildings, trees and other rocks. That means like additional 15-30% of graphics load.
EVE. You know it all. I've been in a gang of about 40 ships max, but even this small gang have big issues. Uncloaking of all ships on a gate at once - lag spike for a minute. Landing on a grid - same spike. Jumping through gate - pray to not fall asleep. Reading about bigger engagements, I still highly curious, how can they EVER ABLE to DO ANYTHING AT ALL. Cause every other one word in them are "lag" and it's derivatives. Like "I've warped - lagged - grid loaded - lag - overview refreshed - lag - picked target - lag - target dead already - lag...."
Remember, lag is a feature of Eve, not a bug! It makes you moar hardcoar! ---- WTB Armor Nerf Hardener II, 10^100 isk OBO |
Drama Kirlan
Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.06.04 06:49:00 -
[90]
There is one very simple reason why ccp should not replace your ship. If they did then they would have to replace every single ship in eve rendering the whole danger/loss thing irelevent.
CCP cannot have anyway to detect if you client crashed or disconected due to user end lag. Therfore if while I was pvp and started to lose I yanked the cable from the wall by your reasoning I would have a clame to get my ship replaced just by lieing about lag.
CCP have set a president for not replaceing ships due to lag that is not caused by their server systems. Why should you be any different from the hundreds of other ships lost. We all pay $15 a month. Why is yours any better than mine
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Becq Starforged
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.04 07:01:00 -
[91]
First, for all those lambasting the OP for his complaint, I think it's important to note that he's not complaining about losing his ships to some aspect of the game, either PvP (gate camps, high-sec ganking, etc) or PvE (too much damage to handle) or due to lack of understanding the game mechanics; he's complaining that he lost his ship due to a failure on the part of the game to allow him control of his ship.
I disagree with all those who say that the lag and disconnect problems are not CCPs fault. I've played a number of other online games, and in my experience, while lag is an issue with all online games, lag in those other games typically results in losing a few seconds of control, except in extreme cases. EVE is the only game that routinely crashes due to lag spikes, forcing you to reload the game. Not only that, but it often does so without any obvious clue to the user (for example, at a gate camp, finding out that your client crashed ten minutes ago while still showing nothing wrong on the screen).
The fact that this occurs with undue regularity with EVE and only EVE tells me that, while the ISP may carry some fraction of the blame in generation of lag spikes, the CCP programmers have failed to account for this ... unlike the progammers of many other online games.
So yes, I see this as CCP's fault, and it's a shame the game is marred by this deficiency.
-- Becq Starforged proprietor of Starforge Industries, a subsidiary of Minmatar Ship Construction Services
At Starforge Industries, the world of tomorrow is being blown apart today! |
MineralOel Steuer
OP EC
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Posted - 2008.06.04 07:08:00 -
[92]
wow, losing a Nighthawk in a Level 4 Mission due to a single lag spike.. what kind of tank do you have? shild? armor? honor? or maybe a combination of all three together?
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thoth foc
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.04 07:14:00 -
[93]
Edited by: thoth foc on 04/06/2008 07:15:24
Originally by: Becq Starforged First, for all those lambasting the OP for his complaint, I think it's important to note that he's not complaining about losing his ships to some aspect of the game, either PvP (gate camps, high-sec ganking, etc) or PvE (too much damage to handle) or due to lack of understanding the game mechanics;
Actually he is..
The effects on a character after the client disconnects are game mechanics too.. maybe he is unlucky and has a bad ISP.. but based on his initial post.. i'm not surprised he didnt get his ship back..
CCP's "oh i didnt find anything in our logs" excuse is quite legendary, but his explanation doesnt sound like they were wrong.. this sounds unlikely to be server side.. ------------------ x-DSMA (Menta) x-CA (OMEGA/BOS) x-.5.(ATUK) BOB (DICE) |
El'Niaga
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.06.04 07:58:00 -
[94]
To the OP I've found how you write your petition is as important as the petition itself. If you are hostile/angry/use foul language etc they are much less likely to help you or consider your request.
A more neutral or friendly tone can also help.
I've had 2 of 3 ships returned I lost in missions that I petitioned. (The other was not returned because I had spent the isk from insurance already).
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Megan Maynard
Out of Order
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Posted - 2008.06.04 08:15:00 -
[95]
Disconnects are YOUR fault, not CCP's fault.
And if it is a server lag problem, YOU WILL SEE PEOPLE *****ING ABOUT IT IN LOCAL. If it's just you, that's your fault......
Leave and go play another MMO that isn't laggy.....Oh wait, there isn't one.
Curse=AAAAANNNNNDDDDMYCAPIZGONE Rapier=WELPI'MNOTMAKINGIT2DAGATE Arazu=WTF??I'MTRYINGTOWARPANDI'MNOT!?!?!?! Falcon=FRAKA |
Forum Fanatic
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Posted - 2008.06.04 08:26:00 -
[96]
There is no lag in Eve, and there are no random disconnects. You are all victim of a mass delusion and should seek medical attention immediately. The fact that this happens to so many is purely a coincidence.
Move along, theres nothing to see here. Situation normal. Move along, move along...
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2008.06.04 08:43:00 -
[97]
Disconnecting happens at times, lagspikes happen a lot in fleet combat.
The point is that you weren't able to tank stuff long enough to log in again, that measn that you wouldn't have survived anyway. Unless your didn't activate your tank before you warped in which would be kinda stupid since that's about as basic as it gets.
in short; losing ships sucks, losing it because you didn't really think about what you're doing is your own fault. Whining about it and pointing fingers at others on the forums is hilarious.
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Lakut
Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.04 09:03:00 -
[98]
I skipped pretty much the rest of the thread, but to the OP:
A) the obligatory: Can I have your stuff?
B) Get a proper ISP. As alien as it may sound, in the ~6 months I've played I never ever disconnected unless my NIC or router screwed up. Yes you read right. No disconnect due to CCP being lame at all.
From time to time ISPs screw up their peerings with other ISPs due to being capitalist swines which leads to constant disconnects as well (seen in some friend's cases where their online indicators went pretty much crazy).
C) If you're getting killed by lag spikes or disconnects that definitely don't have anything to do with your internet connection sucking, don't mission in or near Jita, Motsu, Aramachi, or whatever huge lagfest system you can imagine. It might help if you're not on a node that's run by hamsters in reinforced mode, ya know. ----------
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Dani Leone
A Dark Cloud Unaffiliated
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Posted - 2008.06.04 18:16:00 -
[99]
Edited by: Dani Leone on 04/06/2008 18:16:01
Originally by: Verone
If you can find yourself this annoyed about losing 500m in game, even to a disconnect, then Eve really isn't the game for you.
I mean hell, it's not uncommon for a single pilot to lose billions in one engagement.
My advice if you're so easily enraged by loss is to go play something a little less harsh on your mind.
Fully agreed, one of the things that makes Eve so compelling is the knowledge that everything you build up can be torn down, sometimes in an instant. Its a beautiful bitter-sweet feeling playing a game where this can happen.
In fact it really is only parts of the game where you somehow cannot lose everything in an instant, like indestructible stations, that irritate me.
But I agree with our Fiction writer of the year, if you cannot stand to lose hard earned things then find a game where your stuff is permanent like second life maybe. -----------------------------
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Bleeshtar
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Posted - 2008.06.04 18:28:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Wraith Spawn CCP refusing to refund because their incompetent technicians failed to find a fault on their end.
Yea thatll get you help.
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DrefsabZN
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Posted - 2008.06.04 18:36:00 -
[101]
Im sorry but the OP just has not learn't most important lesson of eve, which is (and has been already posted by many others), "Don't fly any ship+fittings you can't afford to replace with ease".
Thats right saving all your isk to get into your dream ship scraping the barrel and being broke is just asking to get blown up. Instead you should be making your isk using it on ships you can afford, if you go pop no big loss carry on working and improving. Then slowly you get more and more income and reserves until you can afford the bigger toys with ease.
If you quit thats your business, please people will have asked the age old "can I have your stuff", but the only person to blame is yourself because YOU chose to put all your egg's in one basket and now it bit you on the ass.
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Bordric
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Posted - 2008.06.04 18:38:00 -
[102]
Edited by: Bordric on 04/06/2008 18:39:12 I disconnect with my night hawk and she can tank on her own for a looooooong time. Think your skills are lacking since you should easily survive to warp away.
Of course if you are active tanking a nighthawk.... DOH!
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Berand
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.06.04 19:01:00 -
[103]
Not to pass judgment on your own claim either way, but it is pointless to get worked up about. CCP has become extremely militant about denying reimbursement claims, despite pleas for logic or mercy.
You either roll with it or quit.
Good luck.
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Maximor
Spartan Industrial Manufacturing SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.04 19:36:00 -
[104]
This is a common complaint. It's unfortunate. I don't honestly think you can always blame lag on CCP. In the scheme of things, unless you can trace the information along the entire path, you really don't know who is to blame. If you were on the same ISP subnet with R3 last week when they were hit, you might have thought you dropped off the internet. It can be even more frustrating to lose a capital ship to lag. Billions down the tube because of lag.
However, it has been mentioned many times in this and other threads, and it applies here. When you gamble, you never play with money that you can't afford to lose. Flying a ship in combat is a lot like gambling. And you never fly a ship that you can't afford to lose.
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Yuleth Gix
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Posted - 2008.06.04 20:17:00 -
[105]
Edited by: Yuleth Gix on 04/06/2008 20:20:32 MY NIGHTHAWK WAS EQUIPPED WITH THE FOLLOWING:
AWFUL TANK FLAKY INTERWEB CONNECTION PILOT FLYING A SHIP HE/SHE CAN'T AFFORD TO LOSE
10 CRATES OF WHINE A POD
yeah i know i stole it but it's too funny
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Spineker
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Posted - 2008.06.04 21:03:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Yuleth Gix Edited by: Yuleth Gix on 04/06/2008 20:20:32 MY NIGHTHAWK WAS EQUIPPED WITH THE FOLLOWING:
AWFUL TANK FLAKY INTERWEB CONNECTION PILOT FLYING A SHIP HE/SHE CAN'T AFFORD TO LOSE
10 CRATES OF WHINE A POD
yeah i know i stole it but it's too funny
Start bid of 1 isk for Tech II Awful Tank module
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Morcam
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Posted - 2008.06.04 22:02:00 -
[107]
Sry, you want cookie?
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Joe Starbreaker
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Posted - 2008.06.04 23:33:00 -
[108]
Can I have your (remaining) stuff?
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Face Palmer
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.06.04 23:45:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Yuleth Gix Edited by: Yuleth Gix on 04/06/2008 20:20:32 MY NIGHTHAWK WAS EQUIPPED WITH THE FOLLOWING:
AWFUL TANK FLAKY INTERWEB CONNECTION PILOT FLYING A SHIP HE/SHE CAN'T AFFORD TO LOSE
10 CRATES OF WHINE A POD
yeah i know i stole it but it's too funny
Well at least quote me you bugger Yuleth!
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Smantha Dering
Syntek Technology
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Posted - 2008.06.04 23:55:00 -
[110]
His fault or not, he flew a ship he could not afford to lose. I've been flying nighthawks for about 6 months now, I've lost 3. I admit though, I was afk missioning and when I was scrubbing the tub I forgot to go back and change targets, went back as my ship was going into the last 10% of structure and barely got my hands on the keyboard when my ship sploded. To the OP, if I give you a new drake will that help? I had to use a drake to earn back a nighthawk myself, so I know it's doable. Contact me in game and I will set you up with a drake and some t2 stuffs, BYORigs.
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Spineker
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Posted - 2008.06.05 00:00:00 -
[111]
Edited by: Spineker on 05/06/2008 00:00:41
I would have to fall to sleep and there be no server downtime for a normal level 4 mission to kill my nighthawk.
I have never lost one in PVE
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Bobbie Chilli
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Posted - 2008.06.05 00:06:00 -
[112]
passive tank the f'n thing. Dang u lost two nighthawks to missions. just so full of fail its unreal. No sympathy whatsoever.
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Smantha Dering
Syntek Technology
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Posted - 2008.06.05 00:13:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Bobbie Chilli passive tank the f'n thing. Dang u lost two nighthawks to missions. just so full of fail its unreal. No sympathy whatsoever.
Never lost a ship? never lost a ship for a stupid reason? It's a game, it happens. A LOT of players have lost ships for stupid reasons. At least he pretty much admitted to his mistake. Chill, it wasn't your ship he lost.
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Arvald
The Ninjapirates
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Posted - 2008.06.05 00:33:00 -
[114]
you lost a nighthawk in a mission
Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw Stealthbomber combat(or as i like to call it: Just because you are paranoid dont mean there isnt a invissible demon about to eat your face)
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Selene Bork
Order of the Argent Shroud
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Posted - 2008.06.05 01:01:00 -
[115]
Edited by: Selene Bork on 05/06/2008 01:01:44 What are you doing ? My nighthawk setups can tank anything, lvl 4 wise. Should be able to weather a couple lag spikes tbh.
Please list your setup, maybe we could improve the setup for you. |
Gentle Bra
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.05 01:08:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Face Palmer MY NIGHTHAWK WAS EQUIPPED WITH THE FOLLOWING:
AWFUL TANK FLAKY INTERWEB CONNECTION PILOT FLYING A SHIP HE/SHE CAN'T AFFORD TO LOSE
10 CRATES OF WHINE A POD
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Exodus Alpha
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Posted - 2008.06.05 01:10:00 -
[117]
F*ckin' PEBKAC. |
HankMurphy
Pelennor Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.06.05 01:14:00 -
[118]
Edited by: HankMurphy on 05/06/2008 01:14:03 god i love this community.
thats not sarcasm either. i love one person spilling their heart and tears on the forums and telling everyone how they are going to quit, and then in one loud voice the community says:
"F-OFF!/ROFLOLZ/canihaveyourstuff?/HOWCANYOUBESOSTUPID?/itsyourfault/good ridance"
*sniff* i love you guys, dont ever change |
Murtank
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Posted - 2008.06.05 04:36:00 -
[119]
My cat died when I was running a L3. I want a new cat
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Spineker
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Posted - 2008.06.05 04:46:00 -
[120]
Sometimes I aggro the whole place in Level 4s just to get the evil mini-me laugh going. Nighthawk is a god of passive shield tank
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Kage Psychodin
The Empire Nation Worlds End Consortium
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Posted - 2008.06.05 06:03:00 -
[121]
Let me be the one of the many to LAUGH.
Seriously. CCC rigs? are you silly? learn to build a nighthawk tank. a nighthawk tank, save for maybe 1-2 hardeners, and a screen is LSEIIs, SPR IIs, and core defence field purger rigs. when done right you can draw super aggro in worlds collide, go out to eat, and still have cap and your ship last time I checked :) Another one bites the dust. |
Reven Cordelle
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Posted - 2008.06.05 08:27:00 -
[122]
Think about the guys that lose Titans, losing one of those must sting a bit.
However, If a SINGLE LAG SPIKE blew your ship the eff up in what was probably no more than 10 seconds at the very most... revise your fitting.
Where was your fleet at the time anyway? You were flying a Nighthawk right?
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Kev Hunter
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Posted - 2008.06.05 08:35:00 -
[123]
CCP - I bought a 5th account. I helped recoup your loss.
[troll] As to the whiner who's quitting. Sorry to see ya go. Here's a list of some MMORPG's that may take a bit more kindly to you:
World of Warcraft Hello Kitty Online Anarchy Online Guild Wars Ragnarok Online
And whenever that's not enough.. you can always go back to playing Diablo 2! lol [/troll]
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RaTTuS
BIG
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Posted - 2008.06.05 09:00:00 -
[124]
Lag is not a reason for getting your ship back. a lag spike should not make your ship die unless you have a poor setup or you are too close to the limit. [all modules are still active even if you spike], hell I've even reloged before now and still been flying safe [sometimes in a pod though - you win some you loose some]
-- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve,
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Andrue
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Posted - 2008.06.05 09:53:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Hanneshannes
Originally by: Shakari Sween your stuff, can I have it?
He doesn't have any stuff left.
I find missioning in a nighthawk stupid tbh, battleships can do it much faster and even though, nighthawks are supposed to have teh uber tank
Not true for T1 BS. Partly true for CNR/Golem but the difference isn't very big if you get your skills up. An equivalent CNR/Golem/Pilot is perhaps 10% faster on average.
Quote: , my drkae never died hen I DCed with full aggro in any lvl 4 and it costs only like 90M.
Yeah well the OP clearly sucks at fitting out a Nighthawk. Tbh he seems to suck so bad that he has to be a troll/joke post.
A T2 fitted passive tank NH can survive full room aggro(*) from nearly all the L4 missions in the game. A faction fitted passive tank NH can handle full room aggro from everything except EA5/5.
(*)By 'full-room' I mean pretty much that. Warp in, get everything blinking at you but don't pop anything.
This does assume that the fitting is racial specific. An omni-tank NH can handle any L4 in the game but some missions will require that the pilot know what they are doing and a disconnect could be a little uncomfortable. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years)
[Brackley, UK]
My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned. |
Andrue
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Posted - 2008.06.05 10:24:00 -
[126]
Edited by: Andrue on 05/06/2008 10:25:24
Originally by: Smantha Dering
Originally by: Bobbie Chilli passive tank the f'n thing. Dang u lost two nighthawks to missions. just so full of fail its unreal. No sympathy whatsoever.
Never lost a ship? never lost a ship for a stupid reason? It's a game, it happens. A LOT of players have lost ships for stupid reasons. At least he pretty much admitted to his mistake. Chill, it wasn't your ship he lost.
Actually just for the hell of it I will state that I have never lost a ship to mission rats. Not once. Not in nearly 4.5 years of game play.
I have come close on two occasions:
* Back in '04 when Mordus Headhunters first appeared. Lot of whining and nashing teeth before they added that red text. I just happened to always pop frigs first because I didn't (at the time) use drones and what else are you gonna do flying an Armageddon without drones
* Earlier this year. My second account main was flying a Sleipnir. My strategy at the time was to keep the shield between 40% and 50%. I triggered the wrong spawn (can't remember the mission but it was the one where there's a single BS close to you). Just as I hit boost I got a (rare for me) disconnect and I was warp scrambled. By the time I got on I was down to 50% armour. Amazingly I managed to not only clear the scrambler but actually hung on long enough to get things back under control and complete the room without warping out.
Since that Sleipnir incident I have:
* Decided not to let my shields go below 50% * Developed more of a respect for the ol' slapper. It's more work than a NH but in the right hands it's got a helluva survivability factor. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years)
[Brackley, UK]
My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned. |
BhallSpawn
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Posted - 2008.06.05 10:36:00 -
[127]
it is .. sadly.. the nature of the beast.
CCP fails big time when it comes to refunds and actually being accountable for their lag filled system
then invests millions to features that only add to the lag problem. I've been saying it for years, ccp has their head shoved squarely up where the sun don't shine.
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Maximor
Spartan Industrial Manufacturing SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.05 10:57:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Smantha Dering
Never lost a ship? never lost a ship for a stupid reason? It's a game, it happens. A LOT of players have lost ships for stupid reasons. At least he pretty much admitted to his mistake. Chill, it wasn't your ship he lost.
I once lost a thanatos solo while running a plex in Delve.
If you hold a unix shell up to your ear, can you still hear the c: ? |
Sariyah
HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2008.06.05 11:05:00 -
[129]
use a domi or raven for lvl4 with t2 fit... kthxbai
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Tippia
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.06.05 11:06:00 -
[130]
Edited by: Tippia on 05/06/2008 11:13:05
Originally by: Maximor
Originally by: Smantha Dering Never lost a ship? never lost a ship for a stupid reason? It's a game, it happens. A LOT of players have lost ships for stupid reasons. At least he pretty much admitted to his mistake. Chill, it wasn't your ship he lost.
I once lost a thanatos solo while running a plex in Delve.
I lost a Merlin once because I got in my head that I really needed that named launcher that was floating around next to a sentry, and because my tank consisted entirely of a cargo scanner…
…also, in connection to the OP, losing a ship that leisurely and permanently passive-tanks 1200dps with a 90k HP buffer, even with a modest fit, takes some skill, I must say!
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Spineker
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Posted - 2008.06.05 16:30:00 -
[131]
Here is what I think happened...
The guy gets his nighthawk he has heard for months how ubber they are on missions, and they are.
He is most likely a Raven pilot he setup his nighthawk very similar without checking at the ship setup forum and went out to do battle and got wtfpwned.
Problem is nighthawk is ok with active tanking but it is not a good thing to do it was born to passive tank. You burn through your cap fairly quick if you set it up like a raven. But even then unless he was warpscramed by some little pest or near death he should have had plenty of time to warp away when you diconnect.
I think he went out there thinking the NH was the end all of ships and got wooped up on.
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Ehranavaar
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Posted - 2008.06.05 17:08:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Ecky X The problem is probably at your end, not CCP's. Call up your ISP and demand your ship back.
Besides, 500mil is a drop in the pool. Some players spend that every hour.
in one 24 hour period lately my bank balance went from 950 mill to 1600 odd mill to 4.5 million back up to 750 million. life's a roller coaster in eve.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2008.08.17 18:14:00 -
[133]
what happens when your house is destroyed in a way that insurance wont cover it? will you do something rash? Trashed sig, Shark was here |
ingenting
20th Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.17 18:29:00 -
[134]
Edited by: ingenting on 17/08/2008 18:29:42
Originally by: xXApophisXx !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm so cool. I can use exlamation marks!
edit: oops i broke the thread __________
Quote: Welcome to eve, remember to insu *BOOM*... Told you, newb.
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Complete Tart
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.17 18:37:00 -
[135]
Originally by: SiJira what happens when your house is destroyed in a way that insurance wont cover it? will you do something rash?
Why do you keep necroing threads you moron
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Zathi Shaitan
Minmatar Illiteracy Combatants
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Posted - 2008.08.17 18:51:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Arana Tellen
NEVER FLY ANYTHING YOU CANT AFFORD TO LOOSE.
"lose".
Do not try to write anything your brain is not able to spell. ---- " Several unconventional alliances where made at that point " - Hey CCP, "where" != "were".. you too, Brutus? http://loseloose.com/ |
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