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Siigari Kitawa
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.06.16 09:31:00 -
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Everyone, it is with great pleasure I bring you
Preface: Having considered a tech 2 variant of a Dominix in marauder form called the "Ourania", I decided against a tech 2 variant and instead am working with CCP's idea that once announced release of a Navy Dominix. It was not released however, due to the fact that CCP was under time constraints and did not want to add a new model into the game. Sad.
So, here I bring you the new Dominix Navy Issue. After much much much much work and review and testing experimental fits and running equations through my head I believe I have come up with the ultimate Dominix that can tank, gank and wreak havoc on all sources.
The Dominix is arguably the most versatile ship in the game. Capable of a myriad of roles from logistics, DPS, mission running, tanking and neutralizing, the Dominix has and does enjoy a very popular reputation. Having said that, many people have requested a Navy Dominix be put into the game.
But the question must be asked: Just how broken would a Navy Domi (Navynix) be? Well, ask yourself how broken a Navythron is. It isn't too broken, and CCP has made sure to balance the ship properly in order to make it effective, abundant for purchase and not most importantly not game-breaking.
The Navy Dominix has the following specs:
This looks like a farking sweet ass ship. 450m3 dronebay so you have plenty of spares (75m3 extra!) seems like about 25-30% more HP and an extra mid *drool*.
So, the Navynix has turned into a support ship. With the mids up to 6 now, you can throw on an extra tracking disruptor, ECCM or even a drone nav. OMG.
Another highlight seems to be the mass and inertia are better, but only barely. So I don't think the Navynix is going to be nano'd. Bummer is now with only 350 cal you can't fit 2 Sentry Damage Augmentors >=| Besides, I'd imagine the mission runners would stick to their silly Navy Ravens anyway, but this is DEFINITELY a nice new option to have. *giggle*
OMG. WOOT!!!
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Soltueur
Joint Empire Squad
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Posted - 2008.06.16 09:43:00 -
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Shouldnt navy ships be more greenish...and not red?? Navy vexor has it, navy megathron is however more blackish. And maybe...just maybe its a bit overpowerd :P
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Rin Kaeda
Universal Securities
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Posted - 2008.06.16 10:55:00 -
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Looks interesting...
The color scheme is wrong yeah, Gallente Navy Issue ships are either Greenish/Greyish or Greyish/Black
Problem with Navy Domi would be that then all the 3 other races would need another faction BS too unless all navy megas suddenly turned into Domis (You can guess what sort of cry and whine THAT would create!)
Also... Dominix is Tier1 BS , the other races would benefit a lot more from Tier 3 faction BS than Tier 1 (Navy Issue Scorpion anyone? Who in their right mind would even CONSIDER getting one...)
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TimMc
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2008.06.16 11:08:00 -
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Looks overpowered so I would buy one.
And I love the red colour scheme instead of the rubbish green camo.
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Edriahn
Bulgarian Mafia Squad
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Posted - 2008.06.16 11:46:00 -
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Edited by: Edriahn on 16/06/2008 11:46:39
Well, it's not so different fron the domi, one mid doesn't really changes much. It can be good shield tank though, but I fail to see the point in that.
Dominix is now on the verge of overpowerness cuz it's cheap and can beat almost any other battleships, it's a gank machine. With the rpice of a navy mega just for a lil more HP it won't be very useful.Even navy megas are a bit of a pimp ships these days.
navy geddon and phoon will be good too, but a tier3 navy ships for the empires will benefit the game a lot more... can't even imagine navy hyperion or abaddon...
P.S. - color is great, may I get red hyperion? I would marry it!
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NoNah
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Posted - 2008.06.16 11:57:00 -
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Geddon with the fourth mid, phoon with the eigth low and scorpion with...(honestly have issue improving this one, another plate?)
The faction domi would be the least of my worries if a faction set of tier one battleships was released. The sixth mid _IS_ a huge bonus, even more so considering the grid issues your run of the mill domi has today. I'd def. buy one. And then one. And then one.
Parrots, commence!
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Felix Dzerzhinsky
Wreckless Abandon
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.06.16 11:57:00 -
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Edited by: Felix Dzerzhinsky on 16/06/2008 11:58:22
its a little too powerful. . .
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Drahathinar Tribe
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Posted - 2008.06.16 12:05:00 -
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A little overpowered but no one would kick it out of bed for eating *****ers. 
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Malcanis
We are Legend
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Posted - 2008.06.16 12:16:00 -
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 Originally by: Rin Kaeda
Looks interesting...
The color scheme is wrong yeah, Gallente Navy Issue ships are either Greenish/Greyish or Greyish/Black
Problem with Navy Domi would be that then all the 3 other races would need another faction BS too unless all navy megas suddenly turned into Domis (You can guess what sort of cry and whine THAT would create!)
Also... Dominix is Tier1 BS , the other races would benefit a lot more from Tier 3 faction BS than Tier 1 (Navy Issue Scorpion anyone? Who in their right mind would even CONSIDER getting one...)
It would depend on the bonuses. Navy Scorp with an extra low and some more hitpoints, and maybe a little extra agility, would be quite interesting to me.
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2008.06.16 12:25:00 -
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Edited by: Qui Shon on 16/06/2008 12:26:10
I'll start the bidding at 700mil!
Dunno if it's so overpowered, this navy issue would finally have as many slots as the other standard battleships (still -1 compared to other faction bs), and it retains the gimped pg.
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Glassback
Body Count Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.16 12:42:00 -
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Drone ships are not overpowered. No other ship can have it's main means of offense destroyed.
G.
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Raniss
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Posted - 2008.06.16 13:50:00 -
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<3
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Blind Jhon
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Posted - 2008.06.16 14:33:00 -
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Edited by: Blind Jhon on 16/06/2008 14:33:31
mmmmmm gallente pink junk
very good job  sigari for CSM now!_____ (edit Siigari sorry... i fail at names)
....but before can you do it for a republic typhoon ?
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White Ronin
Screenout
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Posted - 2008.06.16 15:27:00 -
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Edited by: White Ronin on 16/06/2008 15:33:15
Actually it should be a customs domi as they are the ones using the domi hulltype.
And just fyi, the rogue drone faction domi would kick it to the curb.
Remember, at the end of the day, it is all about the drones baby.
Edit - great job though. No it doesnt seem overpower but honestly an expansion on the hull type should be made based on need and not just to add a slot and armor.
Customs use theirs and typically customs scan out contriband and other ew activities.
And as I said before, the drone hulltype is all about drone usage. A vanilla navy issue does not suit it since the only reason to use the domi hulltype is to expand on its drone use or increase its tank. While adding armor does this, you would be better served by adding an extra low slot and keeping the base armor the same.
Just my opinion.
Honestly though, great job and appriciate the effort you put into that.
For better or worse, drones are the future of humanity.
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Resamo
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Posted - 2008.06.16 16:41:00 -
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Edited by: Resamo on 16/06/2008 16:41:36
Originally by: Glassback
Drone ships are not overpowered. No other ship can have it's main means of offense destroyed.
G.
Defenders? what it could happen just because no one in there right mind would actually use them.
So its not the only ship... but ummm ok its the only ship but to be technical its not the only ship.
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Selia Rain
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Posted - 2008.06.16 16:46:00 -
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WTB navy geddon with another midslot.
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Kaileen Starsong
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.06.16 17:00:00 -
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Edited by: Kaileen Starsong on 16/06/2008 17:01:32
Originally by: Selia Rain
WTB navy geddon with another midslot.
I'd rather have one with 8 turret hardpoints tbh(like raven->CNR progression, sorta)
(Though when I think again, Amarr already got 2 8-hardpoints BS =\)
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.06.16 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Selia Rain
WTB navy geddon with another midslot.
This
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Selia Rain
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Posted - 2008.06.16 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Kaileen Starsong
Edited by: Kaileen Starsong on 16/06/2008 17:01:32
Originally by: Selia Rain
WTB navy geddon with another midslot.
I'd rather have one with 8 turret hardpoints tbh(like raven->CNR progression, sorta)
(Though when I think again, Amarr already got 2 8-hardpoints BS =\)
By my calculations that would give the navygeddon around 1298 dps with a T2 fit and navy MF(conflag would net you a full 18 dps!)
I could surely live with that, but following the tradition of navy BS(CNR makes me cry when I think of what a 7 turret 'pest could do), you only get some "free" grid, maybe a little CPU, and one slot(geddon could definately make use of another mid and some CPU).
Fleet Issue Phoon with enough grid to fit siege, mid tier autos and a tank would make me happy in the pants... Or just that 7 turret phoon the customs officials fly would be fine(+turretrof +falloff maybe?)
For that matter, Navy Issue Domi with enough grid to fit ions with a tank, or neutrons with a buffer would make all the gallente happy in the pants. Or, you know, another mid so you could tank it like a raven and gank it like gallente would be neat.
Navy issue scorp with moar(+2, +1high?) launchers would be interesting, but there's not a whole lot you can do with the scorp hull without tweaking the bonuses. Another low would give it more tank and survivability, but let's face it, T1 scorps are primary, wouldn't faction be moreso?
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Kaileen Starsong
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.06.16 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Selia Rain
By my calculations that would give the navygeddon around 1298 dps with a T2 fit and navy MF(conflag would net you a full 18 dps!)
I could surely live with that, but following the tradition of navy BS(CNR makes me cry when I think of what a 7 turret 'pest could do), you only get some "free" grid, maybe a little CPU, and one slot(geddon could definately make use of another mid and some CPU).
Yeah, well, I quite like the way it is limited to basically one role. A 4th mid gives it some wanted but unneeded(imo) versatility.
Oh and it's not nearly as bad as it was before, with no CPU boost and some exploration mods to be found :)
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Siigari Kitawa
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.06.17 21:55:00 -
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My computer fried so I haven't been able to get online so I'm at the libray.
By the way if anybody reads this, please send a mail to CaptainSeafort and let him know that my apartment electricity surged my computer, went through my power strip and fried my motherboard. I'd appreciate it.
What I also appreciate are all the positive comments that I see here. You guys are awesome!
About the upgrade, Navy ships all retain the exact same bonuses as their vanilla counterparts. Which is unfortunate, but here I have played that game to match the other ships.
Of course, on the other ship I wanted to make (a tech 2 variant) the role bonus was 50% extra drone damage and a 25km Drone Control Range bonus, in addition to skill bonus- an expanded 25m3 dronebay per level and 7.5% armor rep amount. (So another rack of heavies at level 5 and more tank. Woot.)
But yeah, it's a cool idea, I hope they'll implement tier 1 Navy ships.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2008.06.17 23:47:00 -
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Originally by: Resamo
Edited by: Resamo on 16/06/2008 16:41:36
Originally by: Glassback
Drone ships are not overpowered. No other ship can have it's main means of offense destroyed.
G.
Defenders? Smartbombs? what it could happen just because no one in there right mind would actually use them.
So its not the only ship... but ummm ok its the only ship but to be technical its not the only ship.
Fixed your post. Granted, NPCs get super defenders, but smartbombs are more relevant elsewhere (Phoenix vs. most carriers, for example).
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Tankn00blicus
Cosmic Vacum Cleaners
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Posted - 2008.06.18 00:12:00 -
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Some of the people in a chat chan I was in were talking about this and noticed that your navy domi needs a bit more hull hp to be in line with the other gallente ships, which have a bit more hull than armor.
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Grarr Dexx
Naval Protection Corp
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.06.18 00:20:00 -
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Impossible to make a second marauder, not all the races have a second damage distribution system.
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Project 1982
Burn The Witch
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Posted - 2008.06.18 00:24:00 -
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Can you say Solo Pwnmobile ?
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Disco Flint
The Flaming Sideburn's
Blackguard Coalition
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Posted - 2008.06.18 01:46:00 -
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Faction Dominix should be a drone one, Infested Dominix.
This would be way more awesome than a red re-color.
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Tankn00blicus
Cosmic Vacum Cleaners
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Posted - 2008.06.18 02:16:00 -
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Originally by: Disco Flint
Faction Dominix should be a drone one, Infested Dominix.
This would be way more awesome than a red re-color.
Except the thing would have zero hull, since the thing's sorta falling apart :P
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Wild1
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Posted - 2008.06.18 03:00:00 -
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Faction Domi is long overdue. Drones have gotten nerfed enough now that no one should complain about drone boats being overpowered - especially given the peculiarities of the drone AI being a long way from "intelligent". For someone like me who has 7m+ sp's in drones and less than 1m in turrets, providing a faction drone BS option is exciting news. It shouldn't have less than what I can get out of a Domi - and hopefully has all of the base characteristics of the domi plus some extra faction tweaks.
For those that say the Domi is overpowered - blow it out your ear. 90% of combat in Eve is based upon firepower saturation, combat numbers mis-matches (size of team), and ship-class mismatches (i.e. your HAC vs my BS - HAC goes boom). None of those situations are the fault of an individual ship - simply game mechanics.
And with very few exceptions (mostly due to skill), solo pwnmobiles are dead.
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demonfurbie
Covert-Nexus
White Core
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Posted - 2008.06.18 04:13:00 -
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Originally by: Rin Kaeda
Also... Dominix is Tier1 BS , the other races would benefit a lot more from Tier 3 faction BS than Tier 1 (Navy Issue Scorpion anyone? Who in their right mind would even CONSIDER getting one...)
id take a navy scorp if it had the a 5th launcher hard point and a dmg bonus to launchers
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Glacius Prime
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Posted - 2008.06.18 06:42:00 -
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I got my first Domi after 3, maybe 4 mouths in the game. Now it seams that I'm stuck with it for the rest of my life 
Is there ANY other drone ship? I do missions in Empire... and I play SOLO... hate me, but a Faction Domi would be to good to be true 
I WANT ONE! Please?!
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