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Malcanis We are Legend	Posted - 2008.06.20 07:21:00 - [31] Originally by: InDa Hood Not only is CCP logging your keys and watching your mouse.... They are stealing food from your refrigerator too. Jerks stole my leftover pizza Oh man no, not the pizza?! CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
HadHaFangs The Collective	Posted - 2008.06.20 07:29:00 - [32] Originally by: Neddy Fox Originally by: TARG AK It is called a false positive. eve.exe is not a key logger, zonealarm is wrong. ZA defaults are not good for Internet gaming. Ditch ZA and buy a good router with a firewall and use good anti-virus software that is updated all the time and you will be fine. Don't download crap and stay away from non trusted sites, common sense is your best friend on the Internet. This. Same as programs like Radmin (which I use to monitor my gameservers), which gets flagged and deleted repeatedly by all kinds of carebear anti-virus programs, which will delete it it even when it's set to "ignore". False positives do happen. * CCP puts themself to the grave if they even tried to do this, so they don't. They're not stupid. * You should ditch ZA because it's a friggin annoyance. Radmin will get flagged by any anti-virus as it is classed as a backdoor. I know as i use it myself to remote to my branches all over the country to provide support. The fact of the matter still remains that this alert was a new alert that, and someone else has now reported the same problem, so it is not isolated to my computer. I did not at any stage say ccp is key logging, i raised a concern as now more than once case has been reported of "potential key logging". read first post again. CCP needs to investigate as to what in their code has now all of a sudden generated a suspicious alarm that got flagged by one of the better firewall products on the market. I would rather use something like ZA and deal with the normal day to day issues of the security system asking me questions, atleast i know my computer is safe.
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2008.06.20 07:43:00 - [33] ITT; people who have no clue on how firewalls actually work, but still they post. Let me break it down for you. I'm going to assume that the OP had allowed the EVE.exe previously in zonealarm. - OP uses zonealarm, he also plays EVE, this means that he must have added EVE to the allowed list at some point. Therefore NORMALLY his firewall shouldn't give him a warning when playing EVE, since it's allowed - all of a sudden Zonealarm comes with a warning on the eve.exe, stating that something suspicious is happening This is odd since that means that has never happened before otherwise zonealarm would have given that warning earlier and the OP would have allowed for it, or denied. In any case he would have known about it. So, that means that something within EVE.exe has changed or became active which wasn't active before. Normally this can happen if there had been an update, meaning that the exe itself was changed and the firewall asked if the new exe should be allowed or not OR when something was added to the client. Thing is, OP DIDN'T install the optional update.
DarthGeddes	Posted - 2008.06.20 07:50:00 - [34] LOL. ZA is a joke, my friend got it on his PC and it blocked IT'S OWN WEBSITE! (No he does not have any other security programs)
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2008.06.20 07:51:00 - [35] Originally by: DarthGeddes LOL. ZA is a joke, my friend got it on his PC and it blocked IT'S OWN WEBSITE! (No he does not have any other security programs) Then 'your friend' is the joke for not being able to use zonealarm.
Braaage eXceed Inc. eXceed.	Posted - 2008.06.20 08:06:00 - [36] One word - macroers -- POSs, Outposts, Exploration, Mining, Invention, Boosters, EVE Database, Character Generator & more
HadHaFangs The Collective	Posted - 2008.06.20 08:36:00 - [37] Originally by: Braaage One word - macroers that is a very plausible argument. but if they are trying an attempt to identify macroers, then they are going about it in the wrong way, as they will be compromising every persons security in an attempt to do it in this manner.
Riho Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.06.20 08:41:00 - [38] Originally by: HadHaFangs Originally by: Braaage One word - macroers that is a very plausible argument. but if they are trying an attempt to identify macroers, then they are going about it in the wrong way, as they will be compromising every persons security in an attempt to do it in this manner. ok.. lets say your claim is for real. happend to buy any is from farmer sites ?? those are usually filled whit keylogger and other kind of crap that ZoneAlarm is useless against it. im not saying you did... but cant rule out anything tbh ---------------------------------- Fighting for Minmatar o7 Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
Armoured C Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.06.20 08:44:00 - [39] EDSET NOD32 on my system never detected anything and i just scanned my 2 eve folder and my test server folder (only takes 30 ish sec to scan it :) ) your anti virus sucks EDSET NOD 32
HadHaFangs The Collective	Posted - 2008.06.20 08:50:00 - [40] ooohh they have a cool robot on the cover, i guess thats why you bought it.
My Julutschka Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.06.20 08:54:00 - [41] Edited by: My Julutschka on 20/06/2008 08:54:28 As stated above, perhaps they implemented a small program, that scans your reg for other programs running the same time with EVE. Reminds me a bit of warden, which is the WoW scanning prog, to detect and ban botusers. Imho it would 100% logical to implement it, without having a big news article about it.
Trig Onami Royal Mayham	Posted - 2008.06.20 08:55:00 - [42] Is this a troll post? sweet. So I have a home to rant after all? Correct me if I'm wrong.
Zinras Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.06.20 08:58:00 - [43] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: InDa Hood Not only is CCP logging your keys and watching your mouse.... They are stealing food from your refrigerator too. Jerks stole my leftover pizza Oh man no, not the pizza?! The worst part is that they like to take the god damn beer as well.. Seriously, CCP, WTF? That beer is mine! Originally by: CCP Greyscale moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal
Armoured C Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.06.20 09:00:00 - [44] Originally by: HadHaFangs ooohh they have a cool robot on the cover, i guess thats why you bought it. actually the robot was a recent addition my box cover doesnt have any robots on it :(
HadHaFangs The Collective	Posted - 2008.06.20 09:07:00 - [45] Originally by: My Julutschka Edited by: My Julutschka on 20/06/2008 08:54:28 As stated above, perhaps they implemented a small program, that scans your reg for other programs running the same time with EVE. Reminds me a bit of warden, which is the WoW scanning prog, to detect and ban botusers. Imho it would 100% logical to implement it, without having a big news article about it. how can you implement something to scan someones machine under pure suspicion, and without informing your client base that in order to improve the community you are implementing such measures ??? that is a massive invasion of privacy (which is not existent nowadays) The only thing that CCP needs to know from me or my machine, is that there is a connection from the eve client to their servers, and that they get paid for it. full stop. if you want to get rid of macroers, increase your brain power and think creatively of ways of changing game mechanics to prevent these things from happening. its not rocket science, throw it out to the public, but if you are trying to scan or log someones activity with them unknowingly allowing it to happen, and it takes the likes of a more advanced security measure to pick it up, then it needs to be addressed.
My Julutschka Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.06.20 09:16:00 - [46] Well Blizzard introduced "warden" as it is called at the time, when bot using and such sutff became more known to the public. They did not announce it in any way, it only became known, because of some guys monitoring their network activities and such things. So they finally realiesed, that there must be a prog around, that scans your reg and your active programs and sends this info to Blizzard. The effect was pretty much like in the early days of virus/antivirus coding. A new bot/exploit/macro got written and warden got adapted to it and so on, thus it was not that effective at all, for it only caught the very dumb people, that used a way outdated bot/hack. I could imaginge CCP doing the same thing, because lets face it, there are macro miners and they are A LOT. So why not try to get a grip on them. People will now scream like "OH NOEZ, they are scanning my system and detect personal data". Might be true, but again how much can CCP be interested in vids where a cow is fking a chair or somethig like that

CCP Navigator C C P	Posted - 2008.06.20 09:23:00 - [47] I would like to take this opportunity to clarify that CCP do not log keystrokes from any of our players. It is of course essential that we get mouse and keyboard input, just as any other software program but that that process is handled via regular Windows channels. I cannot tell you why Zone Alarm is giving you this message and suggest that you take the matter up with their support department. Navigator Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online Email / Netfang

Victor Valka Kissaki Corporation	Posted - 2008.06.20 09:29:00 - [48] Originally by: CCP Navigator I would like to take this opportunity to clarify that CCP do not log keystrokes from any of our players. It is of course essential that we get mouse and keyboard input, just as any other software program but that that process is handled via regular Windows channels. I cannot tell you why Zone Alarm is giving you this message and suggest that you take the matter up with their support department. Lies! The Man is covering up his dirt! CCP is scanning our brains! Originally by: Roxanna Kell You are insane.
Halada Lone Star Joint Venture	Posted - 2008.06.20 09:37:00 - [49] The OP voiced a very serious concerned that could have been the result of an infected client (for example) rather than a ZA false-positive as it seems to be the case Instead the first page is filled with stupidities and half-ass remarks. Why don't you STFU if you cannot help? It's really disgusting to see how ****** those boards became over the years. I could have understood if the post was a deliberate trollbait or just plain stupid but it wasn't. Go level your cool factor elsewhere. ★ LSJV now recruiting ★**
DiaBlo UK Precision Engineering	Posted - 2008.06.20 09:38:00 - [50] Originally by: Victor Valka Originally by: CCP Navigator I would like to take this opportunity to clarify that CCP do not log keystrokes from any of our players. It is of course essential that we get mouse and keyboard input, just as any other software program but that that process is handled via regular Windows channels. I cannot tell you why Zone Alarm is giving you this message and suggest that you take the matter up with their support department. Lies! The Man is covering up his dirt! CCP is scanning our brains! i can supply tin foil hats to any1 requiring them for the tidy sum of 500mil isk each and a discount for batch orders. double tinfoil hats are available for the more paranoid of you out there for 750mil isk. mail me in-game and we can sort out the details ;)
DK Metz	Posted - 2008.06.20 10:09:00 - [51] shame... i thoght finaly ccp did something to the macro miners/ratters i was actually happy when i saw this post :(( the ccp came and broke it... saying they dont.. ________________________________ Radio for YOU Elder eve player. My mom met a jove!
Artemis Rose Eleckrostatik	Posted - 2008.06.20 10:21:00 - [52] Well, nuking your firewall because its an annoyance to your internet gaming isn't exactly the smartest of ideas. Worst case, turn it off for a bit and get your game on. __________________________________________________ Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine. WTB Purple Nerf Bat.
Sanzorz EVEfan.dk	Posted - 2008.06.20 10:26:00 - [53] There was a recent optional update to the client. Perhaps this modified the eve.exe file and thus Zone Alarm came with the warning? I wouldn't take much concern to that warning if CCP made some monitoring. If they can see you're running around in an asteroid belt with no mouse and keyboard movement, then it dosen't take much brain to know a program is doing the gameplay. Good way of finding macroers, if that's how their programs work. If you're paranoid about CCP keylogging and getting you netbank information, then use another computer or find a safer bank. I hardly doubt they are gonna strip your values. My last information is basicly about Zone Alarm. I can't recall how much trouble I've had with that friggin thing. It gives alot of false response and is also worse when you've uninstalled it. You have to clean up the registry files, because it can mess up other anti virusses or even program executions.
Neddy Fox Paxton Industries	Posted - 2008.06.20 10:27:00 - [54] In FOM we had checks if programs where used that altered packages (not going to name them). In the DeltaForce series I was one of the programmers that helped develop anti-cheat programs. It detected windows-instances etc. This has however nothing to do with the reported problem, but does point out that several companies do work against cheating/hacking etc. I wouldn't mind if CCP implemented that (and announce it). To the OP : it's a false positive. It doesn't mean CCP is wrong, it's ZA. If nothing changed, and suddenly it reports something it has a bug somewhere (or something did change and you wheren't aware (ZA update, or your eve-client got injected because you downloaded a keylogger)). Best 3 things to do right now : -Reinstall EVE completely (delete cache etc). -Run Hyackthis and check for anything 'not normal' -Report this at ZoneLabs, and see if they know something about it. BtW, I'd love to see the message ZA displayed.
Sanzorz EVEfan.dk	Posted - 2008.06.20 11:23:00 - [55] Just a small notice. The program Neddy is talking about at 2nd option is called HijackThis, which is a very great program for finding nasties.
Kaitana	Posted - 2008.06.20 11:47:00 - [56] Edited by: Kaitana on 20/06/2008 11:48:04 Originally by: DK Metz shame... i thoght finaly ccp did something to the macro miners/ratters i was actually happy when i saw this post :(( the ccp came and broke it... saying they dont.. Maybe they want you to think that they don't log keys, because they really do, but then they knew someone would find out... so the company line is to deny it and send someone from the dev team who doesn't know out to deny it so that if it ever comes up again the first tier devs pretend like they don't know said they don't do it when they actually do, you see what I'm saying.... cuz god I don't.

CCP Navigator C C P	Posted - 2008.06.20 11:51:00 - [57] Originally by: Kaitana Edited by: Kaitana on 20/06/2008 11:48:04 Originally by: DK Metz shame... i thoght finaly ccp did something to the macro miners/ratters i was actually happy when i saw this post :(( the ccp came and broke it... saying they dont.. Maybe they want you to think that they don't log keys, because they really do, but then they knew someone would find out... so the company line is to deny it and send someone from the dev team who doesn't know out to deny it so that if it ever comes up again the first tier devs pretend like they don't know said they don't do it when they actually do, you see what I'm saying.... cuz god I don't. Pretty sure someone is selling tinfoil hats. You should buy one Navigator Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online Email / Netfang

Arimus Darkhart Ursa Stellar Initiative	Posted - 2008.06.20 12:03:00 - [58] Suggestion to the OP: Generate a checksum (ideally md5 or sha1 - and yes I know they're semi-broken but good enough for this purpose) of the eve client on your PC (and the associated DLL's - not a PC with Eve installed so not sure how many/names etc). Then download a fresh copy of the same client version and checksum the files. Compare the two. If the checksums do not match and both versions are supposedly the same then something has happened to your original client (unless CCP have been nasty and created polymorphic code... ;) ) -- Users are like a virus - each causing a thousand tiny crises until the host finally dies.
OneSock Crown Industries	Posted - 2008.06.20 12:06:00 - [59] Originally by: CCP Navigator I would like to take this opportunity to clarify that CCP do not log keystrokes from any of our players. It is of course essential that we get mouse and keyboard input, just as any other software program but that that process is handled via regular Windows channels. I cannot tell you why Zone Alarm is giving you this message and suggest that you take the matter up with their support department. Lies I tell you !!! What about the chat window logs ?
Letouk Mernel	Posted - 2008.06.20 12:12:00 - [60] I think that the client does send the raw mouse movements and keyboard data to the servers. Don't know if you can see logserver.exe data anymore, but every key press was recorded. I think they do it so they can catch macros / bots. As far as whether or not they keep a log of it ... maybe they don't. Maybe they just have code that analyzes the keyboard/mouse data and sounds the alarm if there's a macro, and otherwise the data is thrown away and not saved. In any case, turning EVE off should turn off this keylogging. Don't run EVE when you want your privacy.

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