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HadHaFangs
The Collective
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Posted - 2008.06.20 05:09:00 -
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Having recently upgraded my pc security to Zone Alarm internet security suite, last night when i opened eve, a warning message popped up from zone alarm warning me that CCP EXEfile is trying to monitor mouse movements, keystrokes on my computer. I will provide a screenshot later today, but can someone from CCP please explain whats happening as it is very worrying that a potential key logging attempt is being made by CCP, as this violates my personal information and security.
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Cmdr FlipFlop
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Posted - 2008.06.20 05:12:00 -
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This is worrying indeed as I do my banking online and I do not have something like zone alarm, could CCP please explain?
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.06.20 05:12:00 -
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oh noes! CCP is trying to get my account info! 
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Little JitaGirl
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Posted - 2008.06.20 05:13:00 -
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Well no **** it watches mouse movements and keystrokes - how else would it know what you're doing!?
Did I just fall for a troll post? Could someone really be that daft?
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El Sombrero
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Posted - 2008.06.20 05:13:00 -
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Yeah! How dare CCP do something as outrageous as keeping track of where your keyboard and mouse are! I mean, the computer should totally know what we want to do without us pressing any keys or moving the mouse!
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HadHaFangs
The Collective
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Posted - 2008.06.20 05:15:00 -
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really, now. seeing as i've been running eve with zone alarm for over a month this is the first time that this warning has ever come up.
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.06.20 05:18:00 -
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maybe they have done a minor patch? minor changes to an exe make programs like Zone Alarm go ape****. its why i dont run any monitoring or scanning programs on my MMORPG PC. they all flip out because MMOs change too much.
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Cmdr FlipFlop
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Posted - 2008.06.20 05:19:00 -
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 Originally by: El Sombrero
Yeah! How dare CCP do something as outrageous as keeping track of where your keyboard and mouse are! I mean, the computer should totally know what we want to do without us pressing any keys or moving the mouse!
Ok so you are fine with people getting personal logon information for mmm... i dont know something like banking,paypal account etc....
And no they should not have to know , that is the operating systems job, and not the client exe
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El Sombrero
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Posted - 2008.06.20 05:21:00 -
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Originally by: HadHaFangs
really, now. seeing as i've been running eve with zone alarm for over a month this is the first time that this warning has ever come up.
Right. Did the warning come up just after you patched? or right after you updated Zone Alarm? or right after you installed another program?
There are many reasons for this to happen, and the best way to find out the cause, is to pinpoint the moment when this happened. In your first post, you say "having recently updated to", in the post i quoted, you say you've been running Zone Alarm for over a month. So right there, there is a disparity on your time frame.
Further, Zone Alarm likes to keep track of program versions, and warns you that "program XYZ has been modified since it was last run" so it could be that as well right after a patch.
As i said, there are many reasons why the warning could have come up, including potential false positives from heuristic analysis, so your best bet is to first pinpoint the time and system state when the message 1st popped up.
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El Sombrero
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Posted - 2008.06.20 05:25:00 -
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Originally by: Cmdr FlipFlop
And no they should not have to know , that is the operating systems job, and not the client exe
Without knowing the methodology of detection from Zone Alarm, and wihout knowing exactly what caused the error message, or the exact text of the message, knowing this is impossible. Also, without access to the source code of eve, you wouldn't know how the client is receiving it's input data, or how a program like Zone Alarm determines how whichever program is receiving said data. Hell, if ZA is listening to the hardware input, i'd be just as concerned as if Eve was.
but we don't know now, do we?
besides, you shouldn't be running anything but the browser window with your online banking information, and have no other active browser windows or tabs whenever you are using a secure connection anyway. That is, if you are so concerned about security.
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HadHaFangs
The Collective
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Posted - 2008.06.20 05:48:00 -
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get your finger out your ***
"recently" doesnt necessarily mean with in the last day.my time frame has no discrepansies, stop looking for faults and lets deal with the issue at hand.
firstly, this is not the only online game i play, and some of which get updated a hell
of a lot more often than eve, during which at no point has ZA moaned about the programe having being changed. But to answer your question, there was no change that took place on my machine, as i also declined the optional patch that was released. neither was ZA updated within the last 24 hrs.
The fact of the matter is that, there was suspicious code within the eve client that generated an alarm. this alarm needs to be addressed.
so according to you, it should just be ignored, so then whoever develops a game is in the perfect position to monitor whatever they like, as their software is already on your computer.
internet banking is just a concern raised by one individual, there are lots of other potential personal security risks that can arise from this.
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Furb Killer
USC Militia
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Posted - 2008.06.20 05:54:00 -
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Every decent internet banking system is immune to keyloggers. (allthough i heard american banks use static passwords for internet banking, which is pretty stupid).
According to your logic we should also make a topic everytime a firewall blocks the access of eve to the internet, the firewall also detected something suspicious 
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Cmdr FlipFlop
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Posted - 2008.06.20 05:58:00 -
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Originally by: El Sombrero
Originally by: Cmdr FlipFlop
And no they should not have to know , that is the operating systems job, and not the client exe
Without knowing the methodology of detection from Zone Alarm, and wihout knowing exactly what caused the error message, or the exact text of the message, knowing this is impossible. Also, without access to the source code of eve, you wouldn't know how the client is receiving it's input data, or how a program like Zone Alarm determines how whichever program is receiving said data. Hell, if ZA is listening to the hardware input, i'd be just as concerned as if Eve was.
but we don't know now, do we?
besides, you shouldn't be running anything but the browser window with your online banking information, and have no other active browser windows or tabs whenever you are using a secure connection anyway. That is, if you are so concerned about security.
mmmm...intresting so what you are saying is that, ignoring all messages from ZA or similar software is the way to go, and yes you are right we dont know how EVE.exe handle message etc and that was what the post is about (read the topic again) it asks for an answer from CCP denying\acknowledgeing this statement.
You can ignore messages from your anti-virus\malware software, that is if you have these software installed, but I will not.
BTW an .exe can exploit vunrabalities in IE and inject malicious code into IE even if the exe does not run IE will still be infected, what makes this scary is that the exe is a trusted exe.I am not saying this is the case with eve, I can think of one reason why they would want to log key\mouse strokes, but this is still invasion of privacy.
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InDa Hood
Forum Trolls Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.20 05:59:00 -
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Not only is CCP logging your keys and watching your mouse....
They are stealing food from your refrigerator too.
Jerks stole my leftover pizza 
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madjacket
A Few Good Men.
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Posted - 2008.06.20 06:00:00 -
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Originally by: HadHaFangs
get your finger out your ***
"recently" doesnt necessarily mean with in the last day.my time frame has no discrepansies, stop looking for faults and lets deal with the issue at hand.
firstly, this is not the only online game i play, and some of which get updated a hell
of a lot more often than eve, during which at no point has ZA moaned about the programe having being changed. But to answer your question, there was no change that took place on my machine, as i also declined the optional patch that was released. neither was ZA updated within the last 24 hrs.
The fact of the matter is that, there was suspicious code within the eve client that generated an alarm. this alarm needs to be addressed.
so according to you, it should just be ignored, so then whoever develops a game is in the perfect position to monitor whatever they like, as their software is already on your computer.
internet banking is just a concern raised by one individual, there are lots of other potential personal security risks that can arise from this.
I would say take your computer to a qualifyed computer repair and have them clean the virus from your system
them **** sites are just not worth it :)
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Furb Killer
USC Militia
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Posted - 2008.06.20 06:02:00 -
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mmmm...intresting so what you are saying is that, ignoring all messages from ZA or similar software is the way to go, and yes you are right we dont know how EVE.exe handle message etc and that was what the post is about (read the topic again) it asks for an answer from CCP denying\acknowledgeing this statement.
That is what everyone does. Firewall/other protection asks: Do you want to allow eve to do stuff. Everyone says yes. Otherwise it doesnt work...
Wait, assuming this is CCP's evil plan for world domination (soon), you think they tell you they just installed a key logger on everyones computer?
Btw, what did you do, allow eve to continue?
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Asantte
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Posted - 2008.06.20 06:03:00 -
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Originally by: InDa Hood
Not only is CCP logging your keys and watching your mouse....
They are stealing food from your refrigerator too.
Jerks stole my leftover pizza
oh hey! that explains the missing beer!
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Cmdr FlipFlop
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Posted - 2008.06.20 06:03:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer
Every decent internet banking system is immune to keyloggers. (allthough i heard american banks use static passwords for internet banking, which is pretty stupid).
According to your logic we should also make a topic everytime a firewall blocks the access of eve to the internet, the firewall also detected something suspicious
you seem to be very naive, and according to your logic we should ignore all messages from anti-virus\malware software, hey thats cool virus`s doesnt exist, malware doesnt exist ....damn I am going to remove all anti virus apps from our servers at work ....thank you for clearing that up...
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Jonathos
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.06.20 06:10:00 -
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I used Zone Alarms for just over 2 years before I ditched it.
Now,I didnt kill it with fire because it was crap,I got rid of it because it was TOO good,overkill so to speak.
Yes,not one virus/logger/bot ever traced its way into my system,but the constant warnings/blocks about everything you look at/play really gave me the ****s in the end.Its really good software,but not so good if you're online gaming,hell even IM's and TS/Vent constantly were blocked and quarantined.It seems to be more of a high end business type of antivirus more than for personal computer use.
As for the actual warnings you receive,yeah as others have stated,the game does need to know your mouse and key movements,and I think you'll find ZA has updated itself along the way or something similar and certain settings have changed.
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El Sombrero
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Posted - 2008.06.20 06:14:00 -
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Originally by: HadHaFangs
get your finger out your ***
"recently" doesnt necessarily mean with in the last day.my time frame has no discrepansies, stop looking for faults and lets deal with the issue at hand.
I'm not looking for faults, i'm looking to see what has changed that caused the alert.
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firstly, this is not the only online game i play, and some of which get updated a hell
of a lot more often than eve, during which at no point has ZA moaned about the programe having being changed. But to answer your question, there was no change that took place on my machine, as i also declined the optional patch that was released. neither was ZA updated within the last 24 hrs.
So, out of the blue, an alert pops up, and nothing changed in the system in the last 24 hours?
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The fact of the matter is that, there was suspicious code within the eve client that generated an alarm. this alarm needs to be addressed.
There was an error message generated, out of the blue, in your system, and so far it's an isolated incident. But yes, i am interested on why it was generated, which is why i asked more questions.
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so according to you, it should just be ignored, so then whoever develops a game is in the perfect position to monitor whatever they like, as their software is already on your computer.
No, according to me, more data should be collected. You presented a small ammount of data, and so far no others have corroborated similar issues, so it's isolated to your machine, and you claim that no software changes whatsoever have ocurred within 24 hours of the error appearing.
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internet banking is just a concern raised by one individual, there are lots of other potential personal security risks that can arise from this.
Yes there are. And i haven't received any such warnings myself, so either something is funky with your system, or something funky with the detection on my system, or you are an isolated case, or other people haven't started reporting their issues yet.
Or perhaps Zone Alarm reported a false positive? is this error happening everytime you start eve? only one time? Has anybody else reported similar issues?
I'm not saying "you are freaking out over nothing" i'm saying "let's try and find out why this is happening, has X Y or Z been a factor?"
or is it that you are so important that CCP should open an investigation on your specific machine for an isolated case with no other supporting data?
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HadHaFangs
The Collective
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Posted - 2008.06.20 06:30:00 -
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Well let me put it this way, the day before. eve was running fine, no alerts from ZA at all. yesterday, after the patch was released (which i never applied), ZA started complaining about the exe attempting to monitor mouse movements and log keystrokes.
so during the space of 24hrs, that is the only difference that i can see from one day to the next.
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Victor Valka
Kissaki Corporation
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Posted - 2008.06.20 06:39:00 -
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Duh.
Of course and application will monitor your mouse and keyboard. Or rather, it will listen to the kernel (through WinAPI in case of Windows OS).
Suggestion: Ditch Zone Alarm.
Originally by: Roxanna Kell
You are insane.
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ZinderX500
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.20 06:41:00 -
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Thank god i installed Vista x64 and no Zone Alarm is available for it.
Finally i managed to get rid of this stupid bloatware.
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Riho
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.06.20 06:42:00 -
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Originally by: HadHaFangs
Having recently upgraded my pc security to Zone Alarm internet security suite, last night when i opened eve, a warning message popped up from zone alarm warning me that CCP EXEfile is trying to monitor mouse movements, keystrokes on my computer. I will provide a screenshot later today, but can someone from CCP please explain whats happening as it is very worrying that a potential key logging attempt is being made by CCP, as this violates my personal information and security.
lol... ofcourse the client is monitoring your mouse movements and keyboard strokes... how the **** are you supposed to play if your mouse and keyboard dont work ingame.
sheesh... some ppl :P
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OnceUpon ATime
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Posted - 2008.06.20 06:43:00 -
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lol you use zonealarm
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HadHaFangs
The Collective
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Posted - 2008.06.20 06:46:00 -
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Originally by: Victor Valka
Duh.
Of course and application will monitor your mouse and keyboard. Or rather, it will listen to the kernel (through WinAPI in case of Windows OS).
Suggestion: Ditch Zone Alarm.
wow, the smart***'s just keep on crawling out the woodwork.. read the entire thread before you decide to impart your pearls of wisdom, or lack there of.
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DJ Geist
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Posted - 2008.06.20 06:47:00 -
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I get this warning from zone alarm as well, and it concerns me as well. I think most people in this thread are being ridiculously glib: "Ignore what your firewall says!", etc. You folks are ridiculous. Some apps trigger such a response from zonealarm, yet many other apps do not (hence the whole "well you use your keyboard and mouse to use a program, any program" response becomes less convincing as a dsimissal: why does eve in particular trigger such a response from zonealarm out of the pool of many programs out there?
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TARG AK
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.20 06:48:00 -
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It is called a false positive.
eve.exe is not a key logger, zonealarm is wrong. ZA defaults are not good for Internet gaming. Ditch ZA and buy a good router with a firewall and use good anti-virus software that is updated all the time and you will be fine.
Don't download crap and stay away from non trusted sites, common sense is your best friend on the Internet.
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Riho
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.06.20 06:48:00 -
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Edited by: Riho on 20/06/2008 06:51:31
Originally by: HadHaFangs
Originally by: Victor Valka
Duh.
Of course and application will monitor your mouse and keyboard. Or rather, it will listen to the kernel (through WinAPI in case of Windows OS).
Suggestion: Ditch Zone Alarm.
wow, the smart***'s just keep on crawling out the woodwork.. read the entire thread before you decide to impart your pearls of wisdom, or lack there of.
you are using zonealarm... that thing is soo random no wonder it gives you a warning now. False positive.
unless you downloaded some crap from some random virus infested site then it might have hooked onto all of your .exe files.
CCP does not have keyloggers in their software to steal your info. if they did.. they would be out of business faster than a american can think mcdonalds
anyways zonealarm is rather useless anyways....
Originally by: TARG AK
It is called a false positive.
eve.exe is not a key logger, zonealarm is wrong. ZA defaults are not good for Internet gaming. Ditch ZA and buy a good router with a firewall and use good anti-virus software that is updated all the time and you will be fine.
Don't download crap and stay away from non trusted sites, common sense is your best friend on the Internet.
this man speaks the truth
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Neddy Fox
Paxton Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.20 06:57:00 -
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Originally by: TARG AK
It is called a false positive.
eve.exe is not a key logger, zonealarm is wrong. ZA defaults are not good for Internet gaming. Ditch ZA and buy a good router with a firewall and use good anti-virus software that is updated all the time and you will be fine.
Don't download crap and stay away from non trusted sites, common sense is your best friend on the Internet.
This.
Same as programs like Radmin (which I use to monitor my gameservers), which gets flagged and deleted repeatedly by all kinds of carebear anti-virus programs, which will delete it it even when it's set to "ignore".
False positives do happen.
* CCP puts themself to the grave if they even tried to do this, so they don't. They're not stupid.
* You should ditch ZA because it's a friggin annoyance.
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Malcanis
We are Legend
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Posted - 2008.06.20 07:21:00 -
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Originally by: InDa Hood
Not only is CCP logging your keys and watching your mouse....
They are stealing food from your refrigerator too.
Jerks stole my leftover pizza
Oh man no, not the pizza?!
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HadHaFangs
The Collective
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Posted - 2008.06.20 07:29:00 -
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Originally by: Neddy Fox
Originally by: TARG AK
It is called a false positive.
eve.exe is not a key logger, zonealarm is wrong. ZA defaults are not good for Internet gaming. Ditch ZA and buy a good router with a firewall and use good anti-virus software that is updated all the time and you will be fine.
Don't download crap and stay away from non trusted sites, common sense is your best friend on the Internet.
This.
Same as programs like Radmin (which I use to monitor my gameservers), which gets flagged and deleted repeatedly by all kinds of carebear anti-virus programs, which will delete it it even when it's set to "ignore".
False positives do happen.
* CCP puts themself to the grave if they even tried to do this, so they don't. They're not stupid.
* You should ditch ZA because it's a friggin annoyance.
Radmin will get flagged by any anti-virus as it is classed as a backdoor. I know as i use it myself to remote to my branches all over the country to provide support. The fact of the matter still remains that this alert was a new alert that, and someone else has now reported the same problem, so it is not isolated to my computer. I did not at any stage say ccp is key logging, i raised a concern as now more than once case has been reported of "potential key logging". read first post again.
CCP needs to investigate as to what in their code has now all of a sudden generated a suspicious alarm that got flagged by one of the better firewall products on the market. I would rather use something like ZA and deal with the normal day to day issues of the security system asking me questions, atleast i know my computer is safe.
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2008.06.20 07:43:00 -
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ITT; people who have no clue on how firewalls actually work, but still they post. Let me break it down for you.
I'm going to assume that the OP had allowed the EVE.exe previously in zonealarm.
- OP uses zonealarm, he also plays EVE, this means that he must have added EVE to the allowed list at some point. Therefore NORMALLY his firewall shouldn't give him a warning when playing EVE, since it's allowed
- all of a sudden Zonealarm comes with a warning on the eve.exe, stating that something suspicious is happening
This is odd since that means that has never happened before otherwise zonealarm would have given that warning earlier and the OP would have allowed for it, or denied. In any case he would have known about it. So, that means that something within EVE.exe has changed or became active which wasn't active before.
Normally this can happen if there had been an update, meaning that the exe itself was changed and the firewall asked if the new exe should be allowed or not OR when something was added to the client. Thing is, OP DIDN'T install the optional update.
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DarthGeddes
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Posted - 2008.06.20 07:50:00 -
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LOL. ZA is a joke, my friend got it on his PC and it blocked IT'S OWN WEBSITE!  (No he does not have any other security programs)
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2008.06.20 07:51:00 -
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Originally by: DarthGeddes
LOL. ZA is a joke, my friend got it on his PC and it blocked IT'S OWN WEBSITE! (No he does not have any other security programs)
Then 'your friend' is the joke for not being able to use zonealarm.
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Braaage
eXceed Inc.
eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.06.20 08:06:00 -
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One word - macroers
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HadHaFangs
The Collective
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Posted - 2008.06.20 08:36:00 -
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Originally by: Braaage
One word - macroers
that is a very plausible argument. but if they are trying an attempt to identify macroers, then they are going about it in the wrong way, as they will be compromising every persons security in an attempt to do it in this manner.
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Riho
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.06.20 08:41:00 -
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Originally by: HadHaFangs
Originally by: Braaage
One word - macroers
that is a very plausible argument. but if they are trying an attempt to identify macroers, then they are going about it in the wrong way, as they will be compromising every persons security in an attempt to do it in this manner.
ok.. lets say your claim is for real.
happend to buy any is from farmer sites ?? those are usually filled whit keylogger and other kind of crap that ZoneAlarm is useless against it.
im not saying you did... but cant rule out anything tbh
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Armoured C
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.06.20 08:44:00 -
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EDSET NOD32 on my system never detected anything and i just scanned my 2 eve folder and my test server folder (only takes 30 ish sec to scan it :) )
your anti virus sucks
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HadHaFangs
The Collective
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Posted - 2008.06.20 08:50:00 -
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ooohh they have a cool robot on the cover, i guess thats why you bought it.
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My Julutschka
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.06.20 08:54:00 -
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Edited by: My Julutschka on 20/06/2008 08:54:28
As stated above, perhaps they implemented a small program, that scans your reg for other programs running the same time with EVE. Reminds me a bit of warden, which is the WoW scanning prog, to detect and ban botusers. Imho it would 100% logical to implement it, without having a big news article about it.
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Trig Onami
Royal Mayham
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Posted - 2008.06.20 08:55:00 -
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Is this a troll post? sweet. So I have a home to rant after all? Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Zinras
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.06.20 08:58:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: InDa Hood
Not only is CCP logging your keys and watching your mouse....
They are stealing food from your refrigerator too.
Jerks stole my leftover pizza
Oh man no, not the pizza?!
The worst part is that they like to take the god damn beer as well.. Seriously, CCP, WTF? That beer is mine!
Originally by: CCP Greyscale
*moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal*
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Armoured C
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.06.20 09:00:00 -
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Originally by: HadHaFangs
ooohh they have a cool robot on the cover, i guess thats why you bought it.
actually the robot was a recent addition my box cover doesnt have any robots on it :(
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HadHaFangs
The Collective
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Posted - 2008.06.20 09:07:00 -
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Originally by: My Julutschka
Edited by: My Julutschka on 20/06/2008 08:54:28
As stated above, perhaps they implemented a small program, that scans your reg for other programs running the same time with EVE. Reminds me a bit of warden, which is the WoW scanning prog, to detect and ban botusers. Imho it would 100% logical to implement it, without having a big news article about it.
how can you implement something to scan someones machine under pure suspicion, and without informing your client base that in order to improve the community you are implementing such measures ??? that is a massive invasion of privacy (which is not existent nowadays) The only thing that CCP needs to know from me or my machine, is that there is a connection from the eve client to their servers, and that they get paid for it. full stop. if you want to get rid of macroers, increase your brain power and think creatively of ways of changing game mechanics to prevent these things from happening. its not rocket science, throw it out to the public, but if you are trying to scan or log someones activity with them unknowingly allowing it to happen, and it takes the likes of a more advanced security measure to pick it up, then it needs to be addressed.
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My Julutschka
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.06.20 09:16:00 -
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Well Blizzard introduced "warden" as it is called at the time, when bot using and such sutff became more known to the public. They did not announce it in any way, it only became known, because of some guys monitoring their network activities and such things. So they finally realiesed, that there must be a prog around, that scans your reg and your active programs and sends this info to Blizzard. The effect was pretty much like in the early days of virus/antivirus coding. A new bot/exploit/macro got written and warden got adapted to it and so on, thus it was not that effective at all, for it only caught the very dumb people, that used a way outdated bot/hack.
I could imaginge CCP doing the same thing, because lets face it, there are macro miners and they are A LOT. So why not try to get a grip on them. People will now scream like "OH NOEZ, they are scanning my system and detect personal data". Might be true, but again how much can CCP be interested in vids where a cow is fking a chair or somethig like that 
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CCP Navigator
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Posted - 2008.06.20 09:23:00 -
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I would like to take this opportunity to clarify that CCP do not log keystrokes from any of our players.
It is of course essential that we get mouse and keyboard input, just as any other software program but that that process is handled via regular Windows channels.
I cannot tell you why Zone Alarm is giving you this message and suggest that you take the matter up with their support department.
Navigator
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Victor Valka
Kissaki Corporation
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Posted - 2008.06.20 09:29:00 -
[48]
Originally by: CCP Navigator
I would like to take this opportunity to clarify that CCP do not log keystrokes from any of our players.
It is of course essential that we get mouse and keyboard input, just as any other software program but that that process is handled via regular Windows channels.
I cannot tell you why Zone Alarm is giving you this message and suggest that you take the matter up with their support department.
Lies! The Man is covering up his dirt! CCP is scanning our brains!
Originally by: Roxanna Kell
You are insane.
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Halada
Lone Star Joint Venture
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Posted - 2008.06.20 09:37:00 -
[49]
The OP voiced a very serious concerned that could have been the result of an infected client (for example) rather than a ZA false-positive as it seems to be the case
Instead the first page is filled with stupidities and half-ass remarks. Why don't you STFU if you cannot help?
It's really disgusting to see how ******** those boards became over the years. I could have understood if the post was a deliberate trollbait or just plain stupid but it wasn't.
Go level your cool factor elsewhere.
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DiaBlo UK
Precision Engineering
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Posted - 2008.06.20 09:38:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Victor Valka
Originally by: CCP Navigator
I would like to take this opportunity to clarify that CCP do not log keystrokes from any of our players.
It is of course essential that we get mouse and keyboard input, just as any other software program but that that process is handled via regular Windows channels.
I cannot tell you why Zone Alarm is giving you this message and suggest that you take the matter up with their support department.
Lies! The Man is covering up his dirt! CCP is scanning our brains!
i can supply tin foil hats to any1 requiring them for the tidy sum of 500mil isk each and a discount for batch orders. double tinfoil hats are available for the more paranoid of you out there for 750mil isk. mail me in-game and we can sort out the details ;)
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DK Metz
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Posted - 2008.06.20 10:09:00 -
[51]
shame... i thoght finaly ccp did something to the macro miners/ratters
i was actually happy when i saw this post :(( the ccp came and broke it... saying they dont..
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Artemis Rose
Eleckrostatik
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Posted - 2008.06.20 10:21:00 -
[52]
Well, nuking your firewall because its an annoyance to your internet gaming isn't exactly the smartest of ideas. Worst case, turn it off for a bit and get your game on.
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Sanzorz
EVEfan.dk
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Posted - 2008.06.20 10:26:00 -
[53]
There was a recent optional update to the client. Perhaps this modified the eve.exe file and thus Zone Alarm came with the warning?
I wouldn't take much concern to that warning if CCP made some monitoring. If they can see you're running around in an asteroid belt with no mouse and keyboard movement, then it dosen't take much brain to know a program is doing the gameplay. Good way of finding macroers, if that's how their programs work.
If you're paranoid about CCP keylogging and getting you netbank information, then use another computer or find a safer bank. I hardly doubt they are gonna strip your values.
My last information is basicly about Zone Alarm. I can't recall how much trouble I've had with that friggin thing. It gives alot of false response and is also worse when you've uninstalled it. You have to clean up the registry files, because it can mess up other anti virusses or even program executions.
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Neddy Fox
Paxton Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.20 10:27:00 -
[54]
In FOM we had checks if programs where used that altered packages (not going to name them).
In the DeltaForce series I was one of the programmers that helped develop anti-cheat programs. It detected windows-instances etc.
This has however nothing to do with the reported problem, but does point out that several companies do work against cheating/hacking etc. I wouldn't mind if CCP implemented that (and announce it).
To the OP : it's a *false* positive. It doesn't mean CCP is wrong, it's ZA. If nothing changed, and suddenly it reports something it has a bug somewhere (or something did change and you wheren't aware (ZA update, or your eve-client got injected because you downloaded a keylogger)).
Best 3 things to do right now :
-Reinstall EVE completely (delete cache etc).
-Run Hyackthis and check for anything 'not normal'
-Report this at ZoneLabs, and see if they know something about it.
BtW, I'd love to see the message ZA displayed.
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Sanzorz
EVEfan.dk
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Posted - 2008.06.20 11:23:00 -
[55]
Just a small notice. The program Neddy is talking about at 2nd option is called HijackThis, which is a very great program for finding nasties.
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Kaitana
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Posted - 2008.06.20 11:47:00 -
[56]
Edited by: Kaitana on 20/06/2008 11:48:04
Originally by: DK Metz
shame... i thoght finaly ccp did something to the macro miners/ratters
i was actually happy when i saw this post :(( the ccp came and broke it... saying they dont..
Maybe they want you to think that they don't log keys, because they really do, but then they knew someone would find out... so the company line is to deny it and send someone from the dev team who doesn't know out to deny it so that if it ever comes up again the first tier devs pretend like they don't know said they don't do it when they actually do, you see what I'm saying.... cuz god I don't.
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CCP Navigator
C C P
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Posted - 2008.06.20 11:51:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Kaitana
Edited by: Kaitana on 20/06/2008 11:48:04
Originally by: DK Metz
shame... i thoght finaly ccp did something to the macro miners/ratters
i was actually happy when i saw this post :(( the ccp came and broke it... saying they dont..
Maybe they want you to think that they don't log keys, because they really do, but then they knew someone would find out... so the company line is to deny it and send someone from the dev team who doesn't know out to deny it so that if it ever comes up again the first tier devs pretend like they don't know said they don't do it when they actually do, you see what I'm saying.... cuz god I don't.
Pretty sure someone is selling tinfoil hats. You should buy one 
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Community Representative
CCP Hf, EVE Online
Email / Netfang
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Arimus Darkhart
Ursa Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2008.06.20 12:03:00 -
[58]
Suggestion to the OP:
Generate a checksum (ideally md5 or sha1 - and yes I know they're semi-broken but good enough for this purpose) of the eve client on your PC (and the associated DLL's - not a PC with Eve installed so not sure how many/names etc).
Then download a fresh copy of the same client version and checksum the files.
Compare the two. If the checksums do not match and both versions are supposedly the same then something has happened to your original client (unless CCP have been nasty and created polymorphic code... ;) )
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OneSock
Crown Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.20 12:06:00 -
[59]
Originally by: CCP Navigator
I would like to take this opportunity to clarify that CCP do not log keystrokes from any of our players.
It is of course essential that we get mouse and keyboard input, just as any other software program but that that process is handled via regular Windows channels.
I cannot tell you why Zone Alarm is giving you this message and suggest that you take the matter up with their support department.
Lies I tell you !!!
What about the chat window logs ? 
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Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2008.06.20 12:12:00 -
[60]
I think that the client does send the raw mouse movements and keyboard data to the servers. Don't know if you can see logserver.exe data anymore, but every key press was recorded.
I think they do it so they can catch macros / bots.
As far as whether or not they keep a log of it ... maybe they don't. Maybe they just have code that analyzes the keyboard/mouse data and sounds the alarm if there's a macro, and otherwise the data is thrown away and not saved.
In any case, turning EVE off should turn off this keylogging. Don't run EVE when you want your privacy.
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Sorlac
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.06.20 12:17:00 -
[61]
My question to the OP is did ZA pop up an alarm for eve.exe like everyone is assuming or did it pop up a message for CCP.EXE (or even CCP EXE) as he said it did in his OP?
If its the former then I would have to go with it being a false alarm, but if its the latter then you will really want to do a through scan of your computer becuase there is NO ccp.exe or CCP EXE file for EVE so you may have picked up something from elsewhere.
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Gimpb
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Posted - 2008.06.20 12:26:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
oh noes! CCP is trying to get my account info!
I started laughing when I first read the thread title.
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Dan Grobag
Oyster Colors
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Posted - 2008.06.20 12:33:00 -
[63]
Only thing strange I have is my msn messenger log when I click my charcacter portrait to enter the game, but that happened on an other game too.
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brinelan
Victory Not Vengeance
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.06.20 12:56:00 -
[64]
When in doubt of an infection / keylogger etc.. just format and reinstall windows. It is good practice to do regularly anyway.
Once you suspect it has been compromised, youre ususally right.. once its compromised, you can never truly know if the system is clean.
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DiaBlo UK
Precision Engineering
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Posted - 2008.06.20 12:59:00 -
[65]
Originally by: CCP Navigator
Originally by: Kaitana
Edited by: Kaitana on 20/06/2008 11:48:04
Originally by: DK Metz
shame... i thoght finaly ccp did something to the macro miners/ratters
i was actually happy when i saw this post :(( the ccp came and broke it... saying they dont..
Maybe they want you to think that they don't log keys, because they really do, but then they knew someone would find out... so the company line is to deny it and send someone from the dev team who doesn't know out to deny it so that if it ever comes up again the first tier devs pretend like they don't know said they don't do it when they actually do, you see what I'm saying.... cuz god I don't.
Pretty sure someone is selling tinfoil hats. You should buy one
<3
can you put my advert in your bio? 
Originally by: CCP Navigator
Pretty sure someone is selling tinfoil hats. You should buy one
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Big Al
Stoat's Ultimate Carebear Adventure
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Posted - 2008.06.20 13:27:00 -
[66]
Right after I logged in this happened: http://stoat.org/eve/Keyslogged.jpg
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Terminus adacai
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Posted - 2008.06.20 13:34:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Little JitaGirl
Well no **** it watches mouse movements and keystrokes - how else would it know what you're doing!?
Did I just fall for a troll post? Could someone really be that daft?
I got the warning to and told Zone Alarm NOT to allow it and the game plays just fine.
Something is amiss....
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2008.06.20 13:35:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Big Al
Right after I logged in this happened: http://stoat.org/eve/Keyslogged.jpg
win
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Empress Norton
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Posted - 2008.06.20 13:37:00 -
[69]
CCP are stealing your EVE Online account details and then haxing your ISK.
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Eleana Tomelac
Through the Looking Glass
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Posted - 2008.06.25 14:18:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Terminus adacai
I got the warning to and told Zone Alarm NOT to allow it and the game plays just fine.
Something is amiss....
As I can talk in evevoice when not focused on the eve client, I guess eve is listening to events that happen out of its focus and that's why zonealarm is warning you.
If you disallowed something by zonealarm, I guess it cut the eve client from listening things out of focus, but it still works fine when the window focus is on eve.
Just try it, is your voice activation key (try with mouse button and keybord key) still working when not focused on eve?
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D00M.
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Posted - 2008.06.25 15:10:00 -
[71]
Have no fear my friend, all they want is your shemansex.com account login/password. Once they have this information, they will cease your key logger.
Reducing the mechanics that reward blobbing:
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Naomi Wildfire
Stardust Heavy Industries
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.25 15:13:00 -
[72]
ZA is so paranoid^^
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Suvliana
Coalition of Nations
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.06.25 15:16:00 -
[73]
Originally by: HadHaFangs
Having recently upgraded my pc security to Zone Alarm internet security suite, last night when i opened eve, a warning message popped up from zone alarm warning me that CCP EXEfile is trying to monitor mouse movements, keystrokes on my computer. I will provide a screenshot later today, but can someone from CCP please explain whats happening as it is very worrying that a potential key logging attempt is being made by CCP, as this violates my personal information and security.
Having read the posts following OP, and being a computer administrator with a spec in networking, ZA is not the type of program I would want watching my computer. I run EVE on my computer with no problems. And I have state of the art antivirus, firewall and survelliance software on mine. Does this mean I am paying way to much? Or just avoiding the crap on the market?
And I agree with navigator, Tinfoil hats are available. You should get one.
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Dihania
Mucho Dolor
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Posted - 2008.06.25 15:20:00 -
[74]
Originally by: CCP Navigator
I would like to take this opportunity to clarify that CCP do not log keystrokes from any of our players.
It is of course essential that we get mouse and keyboard input, just as any other software program but that that process is handled via regular Windows channels.
I cannot tell you why Zone Alarm is giving you this message and suggest that you take the matter up with their support department.
Navigator is navigating your computer and copying all your data.
run for ze hills.....
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EVE: "The Hand-holding Age".
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Rhanna Khurin
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Posted - 2008.06.25 15:26:00 -
[75]
Originally by: InDa Hood
Not only is CCP logging your keys and watching your mouse....
They are stealing food from your refrigerator too.
Jerks stole my leftover pizza
Mitnal stole my family size bag of cheetos from my cupboard! i saw him!
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stupid flanders
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Posted - 2008.06.25 15:33:00 -
[76]
I have had the same thing norton caught it and i blocked it with no affect on gameplay. And oddly enough all three accounts I have used to pay for eve have been subject to security breaches. Thats 3 accounts over 2 banks and one time EVE was the only transactions on that card.
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Xaa
House Arrakis
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Posted - 2008.06.25 16:17:00 -
[77]
That CCP is sappin' my teleporter!
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Viqtoria
Groping Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2008.06.25 16:40:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Suvliana
Originally by: HadHaFangs
Having recently upgraded my pc security to Zone Alarm internet security suite, last night when i opened eve, a warning message popped up from zone alarm warning me that CCP EXEfile is trying to monitor mouse movements, keystrokes on my computer. I will provide a screenshot later today, but can someone from CCP please explain whats happening as it is very worrying that a potential key logging attempt is being made by CCP, as this violates my personal information and security.
Having read the posts following OP, and being a computer administrator with a spec in networking, ZA is not the type of program I would want watching my computer. I run EVE on my computer with no problems. And I have state of the art antivirus, firewall and survelliance software on mine. Does this mean I am paying way to much? Or just avoiding the crap on the market?
And I agree with navigator, Tinfoil hats are available. You should get one.
what are these state of the art programs so I can use them too :)
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Argenton Sayvers
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Posted - 2008.06.25 16:56:00 -
[79]
Edited by: Argenton Sayvers on 25/06/2008 17:01:13
This "lolz tinfoil" crowd is escpecially entertaining considering eve's history.
It took one day to find a critical security breach after eve's source code went "open source" by accident ...
Not that i blame CCP for this particular accident, ZA is known for being overzealous.
But i rather have a firewall that is too good than a firewall that is "thinking for me" and letting everything pass that hasnt been downloaded from shady foreign sites. After all, major companies like Sony would never commit crimes by installing rootkits on your machine, right?
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Victor Valka
Kissaki Corporation
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Posted - 2008.06.25 17:03:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Xaa
That CCP is sappin' my teleporter!
Time for a spie check, meh thinks!
*You will spawn as Pyro
Originally by: Roxanna Kell
You are insane.
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Kuseka Adama
Paxton Industries
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.06.25 17:06:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Victor Valka
Originally by: Xaa
That CCP is sappin' my teleporter!
Time for a spie check, meh thinks!
*You will spawn as Pyro
If thats an invitation you will find me on the IO servers (typically 2fort or the rotating one) I will enjoy burning you! ;)
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Trojanman190
D00M.
The Requiem
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Posted - 2008.06.25 17:25:00 -
[82]
I don't understand why threds like this keep popping up....
If ccp really was found to have a virus or keylogger purposely put into their software do you really think they would survive as a company? Economic suicide...
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Argenton Sayvers
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Posted - 2008.06.25 17:30:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Trojanman190
I don't understand why threds like this keep popping up....
If ccp really was found to have a virus or keylogger purposely put into their software do you really think they would survive as a company? Economic suicide...
boot.ini
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GateScout
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Posted - 2008.06.25 17:31:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Trojanman190
If ccp really was found to have a virus or keylogger purposely put into their software do you really think they would survive as a company? Economic suicide...
You mean like Sony?
Fail.
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WA Dragon
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.25 17:43:00 -
[85]
Originally by: HadHaFangs
Having recently upgraded my pc security to Zone Alarm internet security suite, last night when i opened eve, a warning message popped up from zone alarm warning me that CCP EXEfile is trying to monitor mouse movements, keystrokes on my computer. I will provide a screenshot later today, but can someone from CCP please explain whats happening as it is very worrying that a potential key logging attempt is being made by CCP, as this violates my personal information and security.
Could be an informative post could be BS in any case the trolls in here wont let you get away with making sense they will flame and troll all over your post till its makes no sense at all. Give up now while you can.
Move along now nothing to see.
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nutbar
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.25 17:56:00 -
[86]
There's a real simple fix to this folks... if you log in to your bank one day and notice money was taken out that you didn't authorize, simply petition the money loss and wait a week for CCP to reinburse you.
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Jawas
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Posted - 2008.06.25 18:07:00 -
[87]
Originally by: ZinderX500
Finally i managed to get rid of this stupid bloatware.
Oh, so you ditched Vista then? There's no program you could call bloatware more than Windows.
Getting back to the topic though.
I got ZA and ditched it shortly afterward. I realised there was something wrong with ZA when it told me one program that wasn't even on my PC and wasn't an internet application was trying to access the internet. I did a search to try to find the offending EXE file, knowing it should not even be on my PC but, unsurprisingly, I came up empty. Several days later ZA did it again with another non-internet application, again, my search revealed that the program didn't exist. After a third time, I dumped ZA and looked elsewhere for a similar program. Since then, it has not surprised me that nothing has ever tried to access the internet when it was never intended.
Far too many false positives from ZA.
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Synapse Archae
Demonic Retribution
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.06.25 18:08:00 -
[88]
I dunno about you guys but I've upgraded my tinfoil hat to transmit my will directly into eve. Sometimes if I fall asleep with it on, I wake up in the middle of lowsec with hauler wrecks all around me...
- - - Originally by: CCP Garthagk
While these forums may not give you everything that you want, they will usually let you post.
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Matthew
BloodStar Technologies
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Posted - 2008.06.25 18:42:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Eleana Tomelac
As I can talk in evevoice when not focused on the eve client, I guess eve is listening to events that happen out of its focus and that's why zonealarm is warning you.
It's eve voice.
Turn on eve voice, and zonealarm will warn you that eve is trying to act as a server, and that it is listening for keyboard/mouse events.
The first is perfectly normal for voice comms. The second occurs because the client is setting itself up to pick up your PTT key even when the client is not the active window. Again, this is pretty standard for voice comms, and is a perfectly legitimate reason to listen to inputs. I see exactly the same pair of warnings when using other voice comms software.
Turn off Eve Voice, and zonealarm will stop bothering you.
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Bahnny
Infamous With Style
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Posted - 2008.06.25 18:50:00 -
[90]
Just wow. Any program that has any form of input (messengers, irc, forums, internet explorer) "listens" to your key strokes/mouse movements.
saying ccp is trying to log your account info and violating your privacy is just like the rumors a few years ago that microsoft was doing the same thing - what do you seriously think they are gonna gain by this exactly?
think the developers gonna go home and put his daughter under your healthcare?
sheesh.
paranoid much
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Blind Man
Point Blank Carebears
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Posted - 2008.06.25 18:51:00 -
[91]
lol @ ZoneAlarm
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JaM35
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Posted - 2008.07.10 06:27:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Bahnny
Just wow. Any program that has any form of input (messengers, irc, forums, internet explorer) "listens" to your key strokes/mouse movements.
saying ccp is trying to log your account info and violating your privacy is just like the rumors a few years ago that microsoft was doing the same thing - what do you seriously think they are gonna gain by this exactly?
think the developers gonna go home and put his daughter under your healthcare?
sheesh.
paranoid much
Damn dude are you a Rtard?Look i have updated everything and i had the same problem,i hit deny and i can still play so its not something they need to do.They havent had to do it the first 2 yrs i played.
Oh and wow with the jerks on the boards!
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Tappits
Priory Of The Lemon
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.07.10 06:51:00 -
[93]
O no CCP are key logging
No really you should quit eve
If youÆre really worried about some one getting account info then quit using your computer.
ZA lol
ZA FOCL
ZA = fail
If you were really this worried about security you would not be on the Internet
Let people steal your crap so what its only crap even if some one gets your internet banking passwords and takes all your isk you get it all back so just chill
Only people with something to hide (illegal ****? You have been downloading softwere, Music, Films???) Get so worked up over this crap.
If you have something to hide then CCP is the least of your worries.
I donÆt even have virus software any more as I have past caring. I just keep backups of stuff and if my comp stops working then I know itÆs a good time to reinstall OS or get a new comp. (Upgrade)
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Caia
Gallente
Scrutari
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Posted - 2008.07.10 08:03:00 -
[94]
Quote:
Only people with something to hide (illegal ****? You have been downloading softwere, Music, Films???) Get so worked up over this crap.
ANY good libertarian would get worked up over anything that's a violation of privacy rights. Myself included. In fact, many people who don't fall under the libertarian banner don't like the idea either.
So, just because I don't want the gov't (or CCP for that matter) logging whatever it is I'm doing, doesn't mean I'm doing anything wrong.
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MarleWH
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Posted - 2008.07.10 08:15:00 -
[95]
Yes they are keylogging you, report them.
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Bai ZongTong
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Posted - 2008.07.10 08:20:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Asantte
Originally by: InDa Hood
Not only is CCP logging your keys and watching your mouse....
They are stealing food from your refrigerator too.
Jerks stole my leftover pizza
oh hey! that explains the missing beer!
my beer :x
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Confuzer
Polaris Project
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.10 08:30:00 -
[97]
Maybe they installed a Macro detection script which watches your mouse?
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.07.10 08:34:00 -
[98]
Thread deliversed.
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Kirann
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Posted - 2008.07.10 13:36:00 -
[99]
every time i type a word in eve, eve monitors my keystrokes and responds accordingly.
THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE.
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The Wounded
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.07.10 13:48:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Cmdr FlipFlop
Originally by: El Sombrero
Yeah! How dare CCP do something as outrageous as keeping track of where your keyboard and mouse are! I mean, the computer should totally know what we want to do without us pressing any keys or moving the mouse!
blah blah
And no they should not have to know , that is the operating systems job, and not the client exe
so the OS tracks you're keyboard and notices you hit the F1 key. Since the client doesnt nothing will happen but wincrap starting Help.
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Garia666
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
White Core
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Posted - 2008.07.10 13:54:00 -
[101]
well to bad this has come out.. now the people who create the bots can simmulate key strokes and mouse movements...
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Delvardious Kaesos
Caldari
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.07.10 14:24:00 -
[102]
Oh noes. The Illuminati are scanning your brains through EVE.
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Durzel
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.10 14:54:00 -
[103]
This is an outrage. I didn't sign up to play EVE so CCP could monitor my keystrokes when I log in and steal my account!
I bet they're storing peoples account details in a database somewhere ready to siphon money every month from our real bank accounts for some nefarious purpose.
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Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.10 15:11:00 -
[104]
Some of the responses in here smack of Fanboi and ignorance.
Of course programs interact with keyboard and mouse. As for Eve Voice, I have never used it. Why does Eve need to monitor mouse movements? More then likely it is an anti macro thing.
What my mouse and keyboard are doing is no concern of CCP's until I click an object in game or type in game. Anything else is unacceptable.
Opinions reflected on my posts are just that, my opinions. They do not reflect views held by my corp or alliance. |
An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.07.10 15:18:00 -
[105]
Necros are still bad.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Alz Shado
Ever Flow
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Posted - 2008.07.10 15:31:00 -
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Even if they monitored your keystrokes, there's no need to fear...CCP's logs never show anything anyway.
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Pwett
Minmatar
QUANT Corp.
QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.07.10 15:35:00 -
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I used zone alarm for a while back in the day, it was terrible with false positives.
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Delfinu
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Posted - 2008.07.10 16:06:00 -
[108]
Edited by: Delfinu on 10/07/2008 16:07:56
Edited by: Delfinu on 10/07/2008 16:07:22
Is thread is full of fail.
Also I'm pretty sure the client has been outputting chatlogs into TXT files since day one.
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Bleeshtar
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Posted - 2008.07.10 16:39:00 -
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Edited by: Bleeshtar on 10/07/2008 16:41:21
Just to add to the amusement factor.
Recently (as in yesterday) SP3 for winders xp was rolled out. Immediatly and effectivly cutting off all internat access for zone alarm users.
Zone alarm's recommendation? Uninstall SP3 'untill' they have a fix. Well uhh sp3 was an 'important' security fix. So... in order for your 'security' fire alarm to work you have to remove the 'security' fix
DNS patch hoses zone alarm users
On topic, Yea EvE monitors your keyboard/input how in the hell else is it supposed to, I dunno, do anything.
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Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.10 16:56:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Bleeshtar
Edited by: Bleeshtar on 10/07/2008 16:41:21
Just to add to the amusement factor.
Recently (as in yesterday) SP3 for winders xp was rolled out. Immediatly and effectivly cutting off all internat access for zone alarm users.
Zone alarm's recommendation? Uninstall SP3 'untill' they have a fix. Well uhh sp3 was an 'important' security fix. So... in order for your 'security' fire alarm to work you have to remove the 'security' fix
DNS patch hoses zone alarm users
On topic, Yea EvE monitors your keyboard/input how in the hell else is it supposed to, I dunno, do anything.
Just like ANY OTHER application, when you click on something or type... Other apps don't need to constantly monitor mouse movements...
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Juin Dar
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Posted - 2008.07.10 17:23:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Terminus adacai
Just like ANY OTHER application, when you click on something or type... Other apps don't need to constantly monitor mouse movements...
You're either very old or very young. Either way you are very wrong. Every program EVER made does EXACTLY 3 things. Monitor mouse, keyboard and hardware. Every second of its running life it's getting messages from the OS about each of those 3 things - Thats why when you MOVED your mouse over the "Post Reply" link it became underlined - BEFORE YOU CLICKED.
Pull your head out of your a$$. Pick yourself up a "For Dummies" book - as it clearly fits here.
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Arvald
Caldari
Aurora Acclivitous
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.07.10 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Navigator
I would like to take this opportunity to clarify that CCP do not log keystrokes from any of our players.
It is of course essential that we get mouse and keyboard input, just as any other software program but that that process is handled via regular Windows channels.
I cannot tell you why Zone Alarm is giving you this message and suggest that you take the matter up with their support department.
LIES AND SLANDER ccp are trying to collect info about out **** habbits 0_o BURN THE WITCH
Originally by: Siddy
APERANTLY GEED PEE VEE PEE PLAYAS!!111
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Bleeshtar
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Posted - 2008.07.10 18:28:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Juin Dar
Originally by: Terminus adacai
Just like ANY OTHER application, when you click on something or type... Other apps don't need to constantly monitor mouse movements...
You're either very old or very young. Either way you are very wrong. Every program EVER made does EXACTLY 3 things. Monitor mouse, keyboard and hardware. Every second of its running life it's getting messages from the OS about each of those 3 things - Thats why when you MOVED your mouse over the "Post Reply" link it became underlined - BEFORE YOU CLICKED.
Pull your head out of your a$$. Pick yourself up a "For Dummies" book - as it clearly fits here.
Good lord! Why cant you just say "I think your wrong and heres why"?
Why result to the name calling and denegration?
If you think it makes your argument more valid and carry more weight your wrong.
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Tarminic
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.07.10 19:16:00 -
[114]
Originally by: JaM35
Originally by: Bahnny
Just wow. Any program that has any form of input (messengers, irc, forums, internet explorer) "listens" to your key strokes/mouse movements.
saying ccp is trying to log your account info and violating your privacy is just like the rumors a few years ago that microsoft was doing the same thing - what do you seriously think they are gonna gain by this exactly?
think the developers gonna go home and put his daughter under your healthcare?
sheesh.
http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thedangerofnanoszs4.jpg
paranoid much
Damn dude are you a Rtard?Look i have updated everything and i had the same problem,i hit deny and i can still play so its not something they need to do.They havent had to do it the first 2 yrs i played.
Oh and wow with the jerks on the boards!
How to fix CCP keylogging EVE?
SUSPEND ACCT!!!
I cant log in at all anymore.Will not pay for something i cant play!
Super angry and dissapointed..
4 mo. of this i think i have been more than patient! 
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
LoneStar Industries
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.07.10 20:11:00 -
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Hi. Acktuqlly, I did not midned CCP log my keys if tehy can proteck me from accoutns stealers. Aufterall, I do not own Eve. I onli rent it.
It do not mater to me. 
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Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.10 22:57:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Juin Dar
Originally by: Terminus adacai
Just like ANY OTHER application, when you click on something or type... Other apps don't need to constantly monitor mouse movements...
You're either very old or very young. Either way you are very wrong. Every program EVER made does EXACTLY 3 things. Monitor mouse, keyboard and hardware. Every second of its running life it's getting messages from the OS about each of those 3 things - Thats why when you MOVED your mouse over the "Post Reply" link it became underlined - BEFORE YOU CLICKED.
Pull your head out of your a$$. Pick yourself up a "For Dummies" book - as it clearly fits here.
You've obviously never heard of mouseover
What you are referring to is part of browser code. It is one thing to have a program wait for an event and another entirely for it to constantly monitor.
I will not result to insulting you or calling you names, as that seems to be the norm around here lately and we have enough of it as is. But you might want to know what you are talking about before you post. :)
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nomes
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Posted - 2008.07.11 00:02:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Explorer
Edited by: CCP Explorer on 20/06/2008 12:10:18
Please update your antivirus software and scan it, preferably in safe mode.
CCP Explorer I would like to thank you for your advice; as this to me makes sense, having also experienced similiar issues in the past with Zone Alarm.
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Tarminic
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.07.11 00:13:00 -
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Originally by: Terminus adacai
Originally by: Juin Dar
Originally by: Terminus adacai
Just like ANY OTHER application, when you click on something or type... Other apps don't need to constantly monitor mouse movements...
You're either very old or very young. Either way you are very wrong. Every program EVER made does EXACTLY 3 things. Monitor mouse, keyboard and hardware. Every second of its running life it's getting messages from the OS about each of those 3 things - Thats why when you MOVED your mouse over the "Post Reply" link it became underlined - BEFORE YOU CLICKED.
Pull your head out of your a$$. Pick yourself up a "For Dummies" book - as it clearly fits here.
You've obviously never heard of mouseover
What you are referring to is part of browser code. It is one thing to have a program wait for an event and another entirely for it to constantly monitor.
I will not result to insulting you or calling you names, as that seems to be the norm around here lately and we have enough of it as is. But you might want to know what you are talking about before you post. :)
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Do you really not believe that the browser is monitoring your mouse movement? How do you think that its knows when to trigger the mouseover event?
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